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I agree with you always liked class 47 cabs

Thank you. I was a nice day out, and thought I’d capture the signals as they will no doubt go at some stage

I meant to mention them, but forgot. I was especially interested in the lower quadrant signals. Very nice 😊

Thank you. It appears last year may have been the last unless WCR actually sort out their CDL on the coaches like all the other tour operators had to do.

I can see where you’re going with that

As far as I’m aware it was allocated to Immingham FDBI pool in Spring 97, but that may have changed by this date

Thank you. That’s appreciated

Yep, it’s good to see them working (been nice to give it a bit more on the handle though 😜 but not complaining as it was really appreciated for the opportunity)

They are either here or Eastleigh. About a 15 minute walk to West Yard at Tonbridge from the station

4:41 cadonion sleeper spaces with class 377 gangways and dilner couplers

I like the current livery. quite eye catching

It was draughty with cab doors and windows open unfortunately that affected a couple of spots of the video, but that was down to the weather. Hopefully it didn’t spoil it too much for you

@Jack_Warner got one, and it was on at the time

Yes, it was nice having loco hauled. Make the most of Chiltern, as we don’t know how much longer that will last

Thank you 😊

until December

it’s all about reliability of service. ludicrous that cutting services is just a way to make the figures better instead of upping the game

You are right but cutting the service is the cheapest and easy option to reduce cancellations. Their WCML service is not the best, some days they clog up Carlisle station with cancelled units.

@@ianeccles111 On paper, yes, but the result is a poorer service

@@traindrivingrailenthusiast They are not concerned about a poorer service, their mandate is all about providing a workable timetable with fewer cancellations and that means a truncated service for the future untill more drivers become available to expand the service.again.

I believe it was allocated to Ashford and Eastleigh, with the most photos I can find of it covering the pilot job at Westbury

i just wonder if there’ll be a wind down of the loco hauled sets before the final date as it becomes pointless in keeping sets with defects running near the end

Yes, complete mismanagement of the 442’s. Cracking units and were even fitted with ETH cabling too. However, we have what we have, and I doubt anyone else will look at what has happened and think, yes let’s get locos and Mk5’s. Shame really

Why do I need them?

@@47606odin They are Diesel. They are fast (125mph) HIGH CAPACITY. Good Horn

@@Trainsimworldfanthey are SHITE !!!

they are awful things, but why do I need them?

They don’t run that way

Nothing to do with me, it was TPE decision

Complaints from people living near the railway line saying they could hear 68's pass by.....? Well there's a shock.

@@MegaVector2011 I know, no excuse unless you’re about 180 years old, the railway was there before you move in lol

lol, if it was my choice, I’d let you 🤣

the last day for the southern route to Cleethorpes was 25th July, and concentrate them on the route to Scarborough, but this has subsequently been cancelled from the end of the summer timetable

as stated many times, it’s a decision to simplify operations and they haven’t been the most reliable due to cracking issues with the coaches

Head to York which I assume is regular enough via Edinburgh, and catch one in or out in either direction to Cleethorpes or to Manchester. There is the class 68 on TPE group on Facebook which publishes allocations daily. There are substitutions, so the best way is to look on there and plan what you could get to, and on the day, see if those diagrams are actually 68’s and not a 185

@traindrivingrailenthusiast Thanks very much for your advice 👍. Definitely keen on having a trip down before December if the nova 3's are still on the go. I just wouldn't want to make a wasted trip if there was only a slim chance as I've had numerous jaunts on a 185 and although they are superb DMU's, I'm not sure I'd go out my way to have a ride on one any time soon (one way perhaps, but not each way) 😂.

I haven’t heard that rumour. And why would TFW want them when they keep getting taken out of service? The Mk4’s are definitely more comfortable too

I would not believe that for starters Mk4 very well liked by Welsh Commuters and class 67 attached to Mk4 coach absolutely no noise penetrating. Issues around Mk5 everyone in uk inc TFW be aware of problems. The other issues 68 burns through fuel certainly doesn't last distance quoted by manufacturers, on fuel range. Grand union is not after Mk4 anymore originally mk4 was choice this was discounted as BI Mode stock is preferable don't forget wires run out at Cardiff train going to Carmarthen needs diesel power, as per their website. As for Stirling to London option via Cumbernauld and West Coast main line, class 91 not allowed on WCML south of Carlisle not passed for the route. Other thing to achieve 125mph tilt is compulsory mk4 don't tilt, whilst images on website might look like Mk4 unlikely mk4 go into service on WCML, remember GU Blackpool to London mk4 amounted to nothing despite getting paths to run. Stock now in service in Wales.

@@rthoc71 having travelled on the Mk4 and mk5 on holiday, the Mk4 would get my vote

@@rthoc71 Well, the 91's will most likely be replaced by new Stadler Class 93 tri-mode locos, which will haul the MK4's from London Euston to Stirling and back.

@@TheosTrainsWalesOfficial I don't think they have got any paths yet from Network rail or ORR. Better waiting till got actual paths run trains before getting rolling stock. As GU specify BI Mode for South Wales highly likely same be ordering for West Coast.

Class 158’s had body cracking issues when new

Did Mark 1's or 2's? Did the A4 Pacifics? Did the class 47's? Did the class 91's? @@traindrivingrailenthusiast

@richardwills-woodward5340 well, you’ve listed locos, so as for locos, the class 68’s don’t have the issue. Mk5’s are closer to a 158 bodyshell, than a mark 1 coach, and southern EPB coaches used to split the skins above the doorways. Saw lots of those cracks. They got welded up, but didn’t stoop the cracks. The issue here is TPE are trying to improve reliability of the service not improve quality of the trains, and I used to own a full size preserved loco, and it had crack repairs in the frames, and it was common for loco frames to crack hence painting the inside of frames red to make them more visible, so cracking isn’t a new thing, it’s been a factor since the days of locomotion. oh and there was the balance beam that broke off a 37 due to a crack on the north wales coast in the late 90’s. that’s why wheelsets get periodic ultrasonic testing to make sure there’s no cracks

Very interesting. Well it seems comfort doesn't top any train list today. The biggest issue as a passenger are damn bogies used from the UK to Germany and Japan. Instead of an air cushion they are mechanical I believe - you get a constant tapping on the undercarriage and it is very audible and annoying as hell. It makes the trains sound cheap and let's not get started on seats. I have literally gone back to the car for my journeys to North Yorkshire and Manchester twice per month. Very sad indeed that we go backwards. @@traindrivingrailenthusiast

Apparently the first few MK3 bogies had issues with fatigue, these were overcome with small design changes apparently. The P2's also had fractured joints in the steam pipes. Fatigue is complex and has always been very difficult to design for, it is helpful to know the stress ranges you expect your components to experience and the loading cycles, but these are hard to know at the design stage

Worse than the dark green and black on the 350’s?

It does make me laugh sometimes at why people are really complaining. I live a stones throw away from Scarborough station and there are trains coming and going that are considerably louder.

Unfortunately the way of the world now

From my understanding Northern is as dire at providing a service, so be careful what you wish for lol

​@@traindrivingrailenthusiastAlways feel sorry for Northern Rail franchises, who are generally (apart from the odd few sets) have been given the oldest rolling stock and have a hell of a large area to cover with stock that is not suitable.

where else would they be when the coaches are that way round?

@@traindrivingrailenthusiast well couldn’t they have a 3 coach nova 3 then another 3 coach nova 3 or can’t they change how many coaches the nova 3s have got

@@AlphaSam74 they are trying to simplify/standardise operations so they aren’t going to keep changing set sizes. The nova 3 are a semi permanent fixed rake of a standard formation

Depends where set been sometimes it arrives at Rear of train at your location, 68 & Mk5 fixed Formation 5Vehicles Inc Driving Trailer with 68 attached next 1st class irrespective direction, something not nice ambience in 1st Class shattered as u can hear 68 verberating through out coach .

The benefit of first class travel is you get to hear the 68. @@rthoc71

the locos are apparently leased from DRS, so apparently they will probably go back there, and the coaches are going into store

Indeed, unfortunately nothing we can do except enjoy them while we can

apparently to make things easier, so they will cover with 185’s and the 80x units, and the mk5s have the cracking issues too

68s will be handed back to DRS, and the MK5s will be going into storage presumably if another company wants to take a stab at the push pull fools errand. As for the reason, I've heard that they've been pretty unreliable plus TPE is keeping its 185s so can run them in pairs to replace the 68s that are going. Realistically TPE should've ordered an extra 14 Class 802s and not bothered with the MK5s in the first place.

@@KitsuneKiera i would expect MK5 end up somewhere else in 1st Groups Companies more likely SWR London Waterloo to Exeter springs to mind replace 158/159 stock as Loco Hauled Class 50 regular on this route people used to locos on this route,

@@rthoc71 I strongly doubt this, really SWR need some new build bi-mode units that can run on 3rd rail to Basingstoke and then on Diesel the rest of the way, or full electrification to Exeter or heck even Salisbury (which lets be honest isn't going to happen). Plus 14 MK5 sets are nowhere near enough to replace 8 Class 158s and 29 Class 159s and you don't have the flexibility to run a 2 coach off peak and up to a 9 coach for busier services, MK5s are fixed as 5 coaches.

@@KitsuneKiera bi Mode for SWR exists in Tri mode 769 would been perfect, sister company FGW ditched 769 use so why haven't SWR made efforts use 769 have DC & AC & diesel power packs. I think reality uk Government needs get off its ass and electrfi Basingstoke to Salisbury. However 1st could electrify route DC in private partnership funds rather wait non existent DFT actually do something & run diesel power only from Sainsbury 159 will mean change of train or 769 in diesel mode Salisbury to Exeter fixed 4 car sets which can be doubled fit selective doors operation

yes, apparently there is

Yes Definetly correct some sets out of action several weeks ROG Driver took one month or so from York maximum 45MPH to Crewe i believe

In December when the winter timetable comes in apparently

as far as I’m aware, it’ll be existing stock

@traindrivingrailenthusiast so probably 185s and maybe Nova 1s aswell, what's happening to the mark 5A carriages

My understanding they are going into store. @@icextransport8490

@ChilternTransportProductions yes, but there’s a cracking issue still on the Mk5’s which keep having to come out of service for checking apparently, so the class 68’s can’t do anything so to improve reliability they are going, but according to rumours the Chiltern 68’s will be going too at some stage soon

The cracking yaw damper might also affect the 196 Fleet on WMR. If WMR decides to withdraw the 196's soon then unfortunately would be a massive mistake of replacing the 170's.

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it

Welcome aboard! I’m glad you enjoyed it. it was a good day out in the end, although I’ve not gone back for Chiltern 68’s since….yet

I guess not being geared for 125mph helps the 68’s off the mark, but yes, they are loud, and I think that’s part of the appeal of them

@traindrivingrailenthusiast I live near a cutting, and with the 68s, you can hear them miles away, but their is a strong rumour that Chiltern Rail is to discontinue with the six sets and are taking on DMU replacements which would be one more nail in the loco haulage on train travel??

I heard that rumour too, allegedly due to noise complaints from those living around Marylebone. Maybe the sets will cascade onto TFW for their Cardiff Manchester corridor services to bolster their MK4 sets, who knows. There has been a bit of a resurgence in loco hauled so maybe, they’ll find other use. @@Mike-kc8rl

People that work for and run Chiltern love the Mk3 sets. If the 68s are phased out, it's more likely to be a DfT decision than a Chiltern management one.

@ChilternTransportProductions Marylebone residents complain about the noise full stop, not specifically about the class 68s. It's the major problem with the whole fleet being diesel, with no option for electrification forthcoming. As far as what management think, the MD definitely likes the class 68s. He made that very clear during my first week with the company. They know they've got a great thing going as far as customer experience is concerned with the Mk3 coaches. There are plans to fuel all of the 68s with cleaner HVO (one has been operational for about 5 weeks now with this), which obviously has a conversion cost that would not be borne if they didn't want to keep those locos running. But that could all very easily be overruled by the DfT. It's not Chiltern's management that want rid of them.

to be honest, I hadn’t even thought of that move, as I was still thinking class 68’s at the time as I was working things out on the hoof

all that is needed though is buffets open on the inter7city sets as it was a bit rubbish to be fair. at least first class got a complimentary biscuit and can of still water, but as a premiere service, it was a bit lacking (apparently still quoting covid as a reason there is no trolley service)

absolutely. if you can have fun with your workmates, it helps

not the best catch, but I like it

Welcome!! I hope you stay and enjoy the future videos too

yes, I think that’s why the diversion, but once we were behind the late freight, that was it. no chance to make up

not been there myself

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it