I am just an old man.. I'd rather not let them hit me first hehehe.. though I see that you were trying to teach a lesson and I understand. I also favor things I can share or use in a hurry.. without conditioning as they do in many hard styles..I did do some iron palm when i was younger, but it becomes a pain to maintain this type of conditioning and i decided to focus on other stuff.. I do favor drawing them close or getting close as well.. anyway good day sir!
Wow I didn't realize he was WSL student. It seems as though David Peterson (another wsl student) has slightly different approach to wing chun. I love how if You understand the principles and concepts then you can throw the forms away or atleast.. you know what I mean.. you dont have to be attached to the appearances and then you can have 2 students of the same gentleman but both express it differently. GOod day sir!
@iApna -cont- You can't go to a muay thai school in the states to learn the deadly arts of war, because they'll usually end up teaching you the bastardized sports version(Or as they call it here "Cardio kickboxing"). So my thing is the students who use their instructors names or that one style for an ego boost will never use their true potential(If they have any)
@iApna -cont- You have to trace back centuries of war combat, Muay boran, Muay maa yang, Paak esaan, etc, to see that muay thai isn't being used to its potential. You can see the same in karate, most styles are bastardized into sports or health. Like if you put a BJJ Black belt in the same match with master of penchak silat who has trained for war you'll get very bloody results. My point is that usually the fault falls with the student for picking that specific instructor....
@iApna I completely agree with the instructor being at fault. But you also have to look at the styles. While I still stick with my stance of "No style is better" the deciding factor will be the TYPE. Like you said, You train in Muay thai, Muay thai was my first style, It was my intro to the world of Martial arts, and the main thing I learned from it is all the elbows/knees in MMA has nothing to do with the style, and what they show you in modern schools isn't even 5% of all muay thai.
@iApna You make it obvious that you don't know exactly what martial arts/gong-fu is. There is no such thing as "the best style", It always comes down the individuals training and knowledge. My sifu always taught me that a real martial artist is one that shows respect for other styles by working harder than their masters. It will always be something much deeper than sparring and lifting weights.
I have meet sifu Maday and sifu Wan Kam Leung and train themes styles. I just dont want to say anything bad about any one. I just can say that sifu Wan Kam Leung is amazing nad real master i`m happy that i have pleasure to meet him :)
@akjunkie Hey guy! Shut up! Do you understand yourself?????? You have got only words, you can't fight as great as Maday... By the way, can you read? MADAY. Ma-da-y! Let you go now, and play with your minicars... Don't make fun of the Wing Tsun... Because you can't do it, and can't understand it... I don't criticised your ">>master<<", so you shouldn't do it with my....
this is very different to demos of biu jee i've seen previously but what must be remembered is wing chun is about concepts not techniques.this is obviously grandmaster Wans' way of showing his interpretation of the biu jee concepts.he was a senior student of wong shun leung and took part in beimo himself,i believe,and also has practical experience of applying wing chun principles.people just need to be open minded and accept the evolution of a style so long as the core pricinples remain the same
If you think Biu Jee is something that your own Sifu says it is,you're wrong. Many masters developed their forms according to their own experience. This man is one of the greatest masters of Wing Chun in the World. He was given respect by Wong Shun Leung himself,who stated Wan Kam Leung has evolved the art. You see the form different then your own,but you havent seen the application and yet you judge? Shame on you,disrespectful lot who dare to say what IS or what ISNT Wing Chun.
@TheDano1947 You've no idea what you're talking about. Show us your own form then,so we can judge accordingly. Wan Kam Leung is meastro of martial arts,one of a kind. Wong Shun Leung himself allowed him to develop the art as he sees fit. Think before stating ignorant things,it will do you good in life.
Second worst Biu Ji I ever seen, stance is so wide, he's asking for a front kick to the family jewels. Why is it that these so called Masters all seem to have sloppy technique so bad that I would have been corrected for many times, usually with a fist in my face or a kick to my groin to show me where I was open.
@auntygomez That is too hard to explain in detail here, but every technique has many different uses depending on the situation. The forms are like a living text book, arranged in a fluid way so the techniques flow from one to another. When actually applying them however, you don't have to use them in the order they appear in within the forms, you can use any technique from any form in any order you choose. Hope that helps!
you can see master Wong in master Wan, very very good bui jee people like this should be respected, watched... no.. studied sick of all cereal box wing-chun people who criticise what they neither know or understand....watch + learn
@ozzie1246 No, what you're used to seeing is very poor. This man has great gungfu, actually one of the most obvious examples of real gungfu that I've seen online.
@Samwisewt You don't know what you're talking about either. Read my reply to your mate ozzie. To get an idea of how these techniques are applied watch Wan Si-Fu's other vids or pay him a visit sometime.
@ozzie1246 You think you know more than Sigung Wong Shun Leung's top student who has spent fifty years refining his Wing Chun? Did you notice he does three different elbow strikes, not the same one repeated three times like you do! What you call sloppy is relaxation, not the robotic stiff arm crap you do and I used to do before I discovered the difference. Ignorance is bliss, keep doing what you're doing!
@ozzie1246 Why? Because he is not throwing all his weight over the rear leg and leaning backwards with his arms out-streached like a zombie! Watch Wan Si-Fu's other videos to see this in action, the people he is flipping around like rag dolls are some of the top Wing Chun and Wing Tsun Sifu's from Europe and Australia. As jay5354369 said, pay him a visit sometime, he'll change your mind.
@synkronyk When you look at his turning, his stability, when he turn on heels as we can see in video, is not ... stable. It is not about which system it is, it should me functional at the first place, that we can talk about roots and branches of Wing/Ving Tsun/Chun..
@ozzie1246: I agree with you, that very unstable stance, unfinished movements, many pointless and wasteful movements.. i cant believe my eyes. If he is Si-Fu, why he demonstrates this form so carelessly? I dont get it, why are people doing it?
Grand Master Wan Kam Leung was my Sifu when i lived in Hong Kong in 1998. He is a living legend. He was Wong Shun Leungs 1st & eventually most Senior student ! That says it all ,if you dont know anything about either of these two men, then you still got alot to learn about Wing Chun.... This guy has amazing power and his Wing Chun is ass kicking, believe me. I have practised Kempo, boxing, Muay Thai & had my fair share off street fights, GM Wan Kam Leung is the real deal.
bhibatsu, Well not always, depending on the situation. Sometimes you become great and sometimes you become a victim by going your own way. When Moses separated the red sea, everyone was heading to the opposite shore and if you chose to stay in the same place, going back or going a different direction, you would be a victim of drowning. There are very few things that are absolute in this world. One has to consider the exception and the other possibilities before making the decision to change.
einsiedler, he is not checking his footwork, he is looking down to see if he is still in that circle on the ground. I am sure he doesn't do that when practice at his residence. There is no need to.
Gragrn, Thank you. How true it is to own Wing Chun rather than being owned by Wing Chun. One must retain and utilize what is suitable for him to use in the set and delete that which are of no benefit to him. Mahalo
Ip Man modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Wong Shun Leung modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Bruce Lee modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Wan Kam Leung has modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. " You must own your Wing Chun, not let it own you ". Wan Kam Leung.
chaseleeUK, thank you very much for the info. I am not a practitioner of the Mantis system. It seems like this movement is very practical and useful. I think I also will adopt it for my own use. Instead of seizing and pulling someone's arm and then hit. Looks like it also can be used to just cut and block someone's upper cut and then strike the rib or the stomach area. Am I right?
He looks like a doctor with his martial art skill so excellent that practically no one can beat him. He is one of the best in Hong Kong just like his teacher, the legendary wong Shun Leung, whom I truly respected and admired from the bottom of my heart.
Sifu Wan modified Biu Jee form a bit, and he called his school as practical wing chun as opposite to the classic clan. Sifu Wan is very famous, he teaches the special unit in the Hong Kong police force, and his own sifu is the seehing of Bruce Lee.
Even though I am an expert in wing chun, but I have a question of his version. Right after the fut sou is the soak sou. Can anyone enlighten me the application of the "sock sou"? See we do not have this movement in our version. Many thanks
Superb
To see such a thing is an honor it’s amazing
Fantastic
I am just an old man.. I'd rather not let them hit me first hehehe.. though I see that you were trying to teach a lesson and I understand. I also favor things I can share or use in a hurry.. without conditioning as they do in many hard styles..I did do some iron palm when i was younger, but it becomes a pain to maintain this type of conditioning and i decided to focus on other stuff.. I do favor drawing them close or getting close as well.. anyway good day sir!
Wow I didn't realize he was WSL student. It seems as though David Peterson (another wsl student) has slightly different approach to wing chun. I love how if You understand the principles and concepts then you can throw the forms away or atleast.. you know what I mean.. you dont have to be attached to the appearances and then you can have 2 students of the same gentleman but both express it differently. GOod day sir!
@iApna -cont- You can't go to a muay thai school in the states to learn the deadly arts of war, because they'll usually end up teaching you the bastardized sports version(Or as they call it here "Cardio kickboxing"). So my thing is the students who use their instructors names or that one style for an ego boost will never use their true potential(If they have any)
@iApna -cont- You have to trace back centuries of war combat, Muay boran, Muay maa yang, Paak esaan, etc, to see that muay thai isn't being used to its potential. You can see the same in karate, most styles are bastardized into sports or health. Like if you put a BJJ Black belt in the same match with master of penchak silat who has trained for war you'll get very bloody results. My point is that usually the fault falls with the student for picking that specific instructor....
@iApna I completely agree with the instructor being at fault. But you also have to look at the styles. While I still stick with my stance of "No style is better" the deciding factor will be the TYPE. Like you said, You train in Muay thai, Muay thai was my first style, It was my intro to the world of Martial arts, and the main thing I learned from it is all the elbows/knees in MMA has nothing to do with the style, and what they show you in modern schools isn't even 5% of all muay thai.
@iApna You make it obvious that you don't know exactly what martial arts/gong-fu is. There is no such thing as "the best style", It always comes down the individuals training and knowledge. My sifu always taught me that a real martial artist is one that shows respect for other styles by working harder than their masters. It will always be something much deeper than sparring and lifting weights.
@iApna Lemme guess, You're one of those "UFC" meatheads?
A fine example of gong-fu. His whole body moves like clockwork and no wasted movements. So no, Nothing even CLOSE to useless.
I have meet sifu Maday and sifu Wan Kam Leung and train themes styles. I just dont want to say anything bad about any one. I just can say that sifu Wan Kam Leung is amazing nad real master i`m happy that i have pleasure to meet him :)
@akjunkie Hey guy! Shut up! Do you understand yourself?????? You have got only words, you can't fight as great as Maday... By the way, can you read? MADAY. Ma-da-y! Let you go now, and play with your minicars... Don't make fun of the Wing Tsun... Because you can't do it, and can't understand it... I don't criticised your ">>master<<", so you shouldn't do it with my....
this is very different to demos of biu jee i've seen previously but what must be remembered is wing chun is about concepts not techniques.this is obviously grandmaster Wans' way of showing his interpretation of the biu jee concepts.he was a senior student of wong shun leung and took part in beimo himself,i believe,and also has practical experience of applying wing chun principles.people just need to be open minded and accept the evolution of a style so long as the core pricinples remain the same
If you think Biu Jee is something that your own Sifu says it is,you're wrong. Many masters developed their forms according to their own experience. This man is one of the greatest masters of Wing Chun in the World. He was given respect by Wong Shun Leung himself,who stated Wan Kam Leung has evolved the art. You see the form different then your own,but you havent seen the application and yet you judge? Shame on you,disrespectful lot who dare to say what IS or what ISNT Wing Chun.
@TheDano1947 You've no idea what you're talking about. Show us your own form then,so we can judge accordingly. Wan Kam Leung is meastro of martial arts,one of a kind. Wong Shun Leung himself allowed him to develop the art as he sees fit. Think before stating ignorant things,it will do you good in life.
@123market it looks powerful and practical indeed, but it doesn't look as wing chun anymore lol
why does his form look kinda different from WSL's, especially the elbows
Second worst Biu Ji I ever seen, stance is so wide, he's asking for a front kick to the family jewels. Why is it that these so called Masters all seem to have sloppy technique so bad that I would have been corrected for many times, usually with a fist in my face or a kick to my groin to show me where I was open.
@auntygomez That is too hard to explain in detail here, but every technique has many different uses depending on the situation. The forms are like a living text book, arranged in a fluid way so the techniques flow from one to another. When actually applying them however, you don't have to use them in the order they appear in within the forms, you can use any technique from any form in any order you choose. Hope that helps!
you can see master Wong in master Wan, very very good bui jee people like this should be respected, watched... no.. studied sick of all cereal box wing-chun people who criticise what they neither know or understand....watch + learn
@ozzie1246 No, what you're used to seeing is very poor. This man has great gungfu, actually one of the most obvious examples of real gungfu that I've seen online.
This doesn't look like the Biu Jee.. sorry, people gonna hate me i know, but this isn't Wong Shung Leung lineage... He turn on his grave right now...
Great energy and power but still soft and effortless. That's how you can tell the difference between real Wing Chun and others.
@Samwisewt You don't know what you're talking about either. Read my reply to your mate ozzie. To get an idea of how these techniques are applied watch Wan Si-Fu's other vids or pay him a visit sometime.
@ozzie1246 You think you know more than Sigung Wong Shun Leung's top student who has spent fifty years refining his Wing Chun? Did you notice he does three different elbow strikes, not the same one repeated three times like you do! What you call sloppy is relaxation, not the robotic stiff arm crap you do and I used to do before I discovered the difference. Ignorance is bliss, keep doing what you're doing!
@ozzie1246 Why? Because he is not throwing all his weight over the rear leg and leaning backwards with his arms out-streached like a zombie! Watch Wan Si-Fu's other videos to see this in action, the people he is flipping around like rag dolls are some of the top Wing Chun and Wing Tsun Sifu's from Europe and Australia. As jay5354369 said, pay him a visit sometime, he'll change your mind.
@synkronyk When you look at his turning, his stability, when he turn on heels as we can see in video, is not ... stable. It is not about which system it is, it should me functional at the first place, that we can talk about roots and branches of Wing/Ving Tsun/Chun..
@ozzie1246: I agree with you, that very unstable stance, unfinished movements, many pointless and wasteful movements.. i cant believe my eyes. If he is Si-Fu, why he demonstrates this form so carelessly? I dont get it, why are people doing it?
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Grand Master Wan Kam Leung was my Sifu when i lived in Hong Kong in 1998. He is a living legend. He was Wong Shun Leungs 1st & eventually most Senior student ! That says it all ,if you dont know anything about either of these two men, then you still got alot to learn about Wing Chun.... This guy has amazing power and his Wing Chun is ass kicking, believe me. I have practised Kempo, boxing, Muay Thai & had my fair share off street fights, GM Wan Kam Leung is the real deal.
raise your knee raise your other knee raise your foot raise your other foot walk in a circle ... DO THE PUPPET MASTER!
I would rather be a live peasant than a dead trailblazer anytime. LOL
bhibatsu, Well not always, depending on the situation. Sometimes you become great and sometimes you become a victim by going your own way. When Moses separated the red sea, everyone was heading to the opposite shore and if you chose to stay in the same place, going back or going a different direction, you would be a victim of drowning. There are very few things that are absolute in this world. One has to consider the exception and the other possibilities before making the decision to change.
einsiedler, he is not checking his footwork, he is looking down to see if he is still in that circle on the ground. I am sure he doesn't do that when practice at his residence. There is no need to.
Gragrn, Thank you. How true it is to own Wing Chun rather than being owned by Wing Chun. One must retain and utilize what is suitable for him to use in the set and delete that which are of no benefit to him. Mahalo
Ip Man modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Wong Shun Leung modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Bruce Lee modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. Wan Kam Leung has modified his Wing Chun to make it his own. " You must own your Wing Chun, not let it own you ". Wan Kam Leung.
Yes, both you and chasleeuk are correct, sock sau has many uses. Remember too that all techniques come alive when combined with the footwork.
chaseleeUK, thank you very much for the info. I am not a practitioner of the Mantis system. It seems like this movement is very practical and useful. I think I also will adopt it for my own use. Instead of seizing and pulling someone's arm and then hit. Looks like it also can be used to just cut and block someone's upper cut and then strike the rib or the stomach area. Am I right?
He looks like a doctor with his martial art skill so excellent that practically no one can beat him. He is one of the best in Hong Kong just like his teacher, the legendary wong Shun Leung, whom I truly respected and admired from the bottom of my heart.
Sifu Wan modified Biu Jee form a bit, and he called his school as practical wing chun as opposite to the classic clan. Sifu Wan is very famous, he teaches the special unit in the Hong Kong police force, and his own sifu is the seehing of Bruce Lee.
chazdravis, what version are you looking for. May be I can lead you to that version. Please clarify.
Even though I am an expert in wing chun, but I have a question of his version. Right after the fut sou is the soak sou. Can anyone enlighten me the application of the "sock sou"? See we do not have this movement in our version. Many thanks
very nice
very good
simply terrifical
Man, oman... There are so many different styles of Wing Chun...Uggggg...
the way he moves reminds me of Wong Shun Leung.
When you understand what every movement means and how to apply it, you will find it a lot easier to remember.
siu lim tao en chum kiu is easyyy bil jee is DIFFICULTTTT