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You could make an entire video of the Be-Bop Deluxe song Soundtrack.

Before you talk bad about any artist you need to make sure that you have your facts correct Chris Stapleton never claimed to wrote Tennessee whiskey he just cover it perfectly so I think that you should have to kiss his ass on public television I'll provide the chapstick

Very crutial breakdown of direction of attitudes. While zappa could and did plqy with just about everyone and anything possible. I would love to see ween never juat be a band, but 2 great friends.

Hello my name is Vince, I am 62 yrs old American! Young man I was listening to BE BOP DELUXE, and saw them live several times! Before a lot of your country men even heard of Bill Nelson. I go as far back as northern dream , I have every Be Bop Deluxe album! Both Axe victim Lps UK Release, import bin American Release. Now you can think, how does he know what we were listening to over here? I grew up in Washington State, so I would go to British Columbia a lot. A steady flow of Brits! I asked a lot of them " have you heard of BB Deluxe? Who? Not the Who😔 another GREAT BRITISH Band! Oh and it was a fellow American who turned me on to Deluxe! I am very happy you like the band! I can answer most every question about the band. What made them Bill Nelson! Why didn't they get the fame and money they deserved? Bill Nelson. If you would like to discuss the band further, you can E-me at vincentwehr@gmail.com😊 I hope to hear from you 😊

I believe it is an Oversimplification of Prog Rock, no disrespect intended. Progressive Rock is rather difficult to 'box' it all up as this or that, really... I do love you, as much as you love prog rock, too ❤😊

Thanks for being back! I like that your videos are pretty long and comprehensive, you take the time to actually explain a point. I'd also say that selling out might be the only way for most artists to defeat their own laziness and unwillingness to produce. When you get into the machine and people expect something from you, you're sure going to get something done, as opposed to not having expectations from anyone.

An excellent interpretation and summary of a very complex subject, and so well articulated.

If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense - DJ Quick

Love both, and vinnie's name is pronounced in the Joe's Garage song Catholic Girls btw.

It's worth noting that some of the literary/cultural luminaries you proffer as paragons of artistic pragmatism (most notably Shakespeare) weren't the Tay-tay top billers of their time. Shakespeare wasn't as popular/commercially successful in his era as Kyd, Beaumont, Middleton or Jonson.

If you don't make money as an artist you don't progress. You can't work for nothing.

Shit is popular with flies.

You probably have something of a broad point here, but I think you are wrong about Angus MacLise. The Invasion of Thunderbolt Pagoda album is very listenable albeit unique. If you're talking about the earlier work with minimalists Tony Conrad and LaMonte Young, then that's a recognised modern classical genre and may be hard going and a bit ivory tower but it's also very influential not least with the Cale period of the Velvet Underground. As a counter to your argument maybe don't think in terms of the greatness of individual artists, but how the broader artistic scene produces greats. The more avant garde and the more populist should perhaps not be seen as belonging to different trends, but different components of the same scene. Cool channel name btw.

damn right & where is my AXE VICTIM shirt at??

always knew boot the "junk" connection dont like it or its followers. anyways , that being said from the noises you played early in the vid and then said youll stop . well my sarcastic ass side comes up with yeah the good ol H will do that to ya . AND i like noiz music many diff kinds i like scary music ,dark music brutal metal and grind so im much open minded . i heard there exactly my sarcastic response . already starting out to be a cool vid hope its gets more traction

Angus MacLise dodged a huge bullet. Imagine being a secondary character in Lou Reed's life story instead of a tertiary one. I'd far rather be eternally immortalized as a weird footnote in the story of The Velvet Underground than be just important enough a part of it to inspire jealousy, paranoia and/or outright violence in one of the most volatile, vindictive, ungrateful and generally unpleasant musicians to ever live. Imagine being well-remembered by a guy who loved nothing more than ripping people off and then throwing them under the bus whilst smacked out of his mind in interviews for decades to come when you could be almost completely forgotten by him but still mentioned in books about him forever. The VU's career would have completely destroyed that man's life. He made the right choice. Good for him.

Zappa's genius as a composer and an arranger will be discussed in history books, but Ween has made me cry laughing while absolutely knocking my brain out of my skull during live shows (15 minute Poopship etc). Was going to say that Zappa's vulnerable/sentimental side came out rarely in tracks like Easter Hay, but then you played a snippet of that track haha. And then you mentioned Heidecker who has gotten me through insanely tough times with Tim and Eric, Bedtime Stories, and the On Cinema Universe. It's like this video was custom tailored toward me. Great job RUclips recommendations! Nailed it.

i would define prog rock as rock that goes beyond rock, innovates rock, and may even abandon rock if need be, but never forgets that it is rock. prog rock is very broad to me. i can even see prog itself without the rock as a real way to approach music. prog is a way to approach music. that approach is to go beyond, to innovate, and to combine several past ideas into one new idea. prog is not limited to rock. blue rondo ala turk by bill evens is a jazz song that combines turkish music style with jazz. blue rondo ala turk fits prog to me. prog is also not necessarily about odd time or complexity in composition. pink floyd music is not what i would say complex in that way. yet it is still prog because they take blues and transform it into something adventurous. they explore auditory concepts that little to no other blues band has done before. in short, prog is progress.

I think the commercial angle is actually the least problematic. People have to eat, after all. I personally don't consider aiming for popularity or commercial successs to even be selling out really. To my mind, selling out is about abandoning principles rather than just making money, and on that basis not all artists are even capable of selling out as they have no particular moral or ethical core to give up. It strikes me as weird thinking of Taylor Swift, for example, as selling out, since she's merely being what she has always been. She's never claimed to stand for anything other than herself. On the other hand, I'd definitely consider Alec Empire to be a sell out since he started shilling for crypto shite. I've heard some people call Steve Ignorant a sell out for continuing to tour off the back of Crass after saying The Last Supper tour was going to be people's last chance to hear him do that stuff. I've got more sympathy for his decision though since all he's doing is touring and playing songs from a band he used to be in: there's nothing in that which really negates what Crass stood for. With Alec Empire though, he's not merely playing the hits for nostalgia-cash: he was actively engaging in a really poisonous hypercapitalist scam and there's just no way to square that with what Atari Teenage Riot were meant to be about. Selling out is about hypocrisy; I don't think any of your examples really reflected that.

Great Band and Sunburst Finish is one of the best album covers of all time!

They're making money. Not selling out doesn't pay the bills.

Kate Bush never wrote a song that suggested that “a woman’s role is to be a gestater”. I can only assume that the song she means is “This Woman’s Work” which was indeed written for the film “She’s having a baby” and is about pregnancy and childbirth. But anyone who listens to that song and perceives THAT message in it is bringing a whole lot of weird baggage to the table that is in their head, and NOT in the song.

There IS a rock opera based on Wuthering Heights (the novel, not the song). It’s called “heathcliff”.

Bush had never read the book when she wrote the song. It was inspired by her viewing of a television adaptation.

Another interesting video Happiness Is A Warm Gun is a mash up of bits of songs which led to it's time signature changes. And they spent ages rehearsing it. George Harrison was the one who suggested the timing for Johns bits in We Can Work It Out. "I took it to John to finish it off, and we wrote the middle together. Which is nice: 'Life is very short. There's no time for fussing and fighting, my friend.' Then it was George Harrison's idea to put the middle into 3 4 time, like a German waltz. That came on the session, it was one of the cases of the arrangement being done on the session" Dick Gaughan ("Gaugh" pronounced like Loch e.g. Goch-an) Solsbury Hill - Peter Gabriel is one of my favourite odd time signatures songs... 7/4

Interesting video. Regards The Beatles "Run For Life", its often cited in these sort of videos, but the "offending" line was a lazy lift by Lennon from Elvis Presley's Baby Lets Play House. Lennon hated the song as a "throwaway" filler, but i am surprised he kept the line. But why isnt the Elvis song used to illustrate the point? Baby Lets Play House "Now listen to me, baby Try to understand I'd rather see you dead, little girl Than to be with another man Now baby come back, baby, come Come back, baby, come..."

Good video. All Artists want their work to reach and be appreciated by the widest possible audience. Artists can be commercial but have moral standpoints which they refuse to compromise e.g. The Beatles refused to play to segregated audiences in the US on their first US tour, or touring South Africa. It would have been so easy for them to roll over and succumb to these things as they were young and new artists, but they stood up and could have jeopardized their career. They refused to allow their songs to be used for commercials. And they had artistic control and progressed throughout their career. They didn't follow a template and regurgitate the same style and format that had been a "hit" They also aimed to give their fans value for money e.g. not including singles on albums.

Music that is 100% original is better known as noise.

It’s arguable that no music exists that ISN’T pastiche.

I suspect Paul McCartney composed the music for “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer” and when he listened to it thought to himself “I can’t play this for the lads. They’ll make fun of it, say that its naff, and John will call it ‘granny music’. I know… I’ll put super, SUPER dark lyrics to it, and then maybe I’ll get away with it”

There’s a sweet spot somewhere between Angus Maclise at one extreme, and Adam Levine at the other. It’s difficult to definitively say where the line is, but you can smell it when it’s been crossed.

We have a zero alcohol beer being spruiked with “Baby you can drive my car”… Sad. And very sad.

Perhaps she was thinking of Sourjon? The verb to visit for a short time.

Thank you for all the examples of how to make those changes do our bidding.

I would be fascinated to hear you debate this subject with Stuart Lee.

Ween are quite good. Frank Zappa is a bone fide genius.

I love them, saw them, got all their albums and still play them. Try Blazing Apostles for size.

This is a long video. So, I apologize if you addressed my points. Greenwood is one of the biggest jerks in the world. He sings this song at Trump rallies, and THIS makes me dislike the song even more. He sings about his children and his wife. But which wife is he referring to? He has had four! He must be a piece of work in person, and he sings like a hillbilly.

Mike Love knew "the kids" were into that rap sh*t but he took it too far... but I like your point of musicians also having to get with the reality of their times and general taste and not disappear too far up their own arse. That's kind of my takeaway anyway. Very happy to see another video upload by you sir!

Loved your presentation. You remind me a bit of a young Neil Hannon. My definition of "sell out" is much narrower than MacLise's. There must be a degree of commercial success already established, then one must cave to the pressures of producers and financiers to produce cookie cutter copies of a prior, extremely successful work, and then that artist is only selling out if he/she knows they are on a completely different track. As you point out with the Dylan example, an artist might be an innovator but seem like a "sell out" at one moment in time, and later to be understood to have simply been on his/her own specific artistic path. I don't think the Lennon example helps you make your point, though. Most of the time, artists experiment cuz it's fun, and it can get boring having a maybe TOO well defined artistic territory which one inhabits. It's pretty healthy, actually, to transgress that territory occasionally! IOW, I believe in most cases, artistic experimentation is more about really trying to understand ones own artistic identity: what it is, what it can be, etc.

Just found your channel about a week ago and I’ve been binging videos. Glad to see you’re back!

The return of the king!

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Also you could have saved yourself like 500 words trying to describe the difference between a parody or joke band with a simple word "pastiche". Just saying--enjoyable content nonetheless.

Well when is my favorite band and as far as I know I happen to be the most prolific ween cover artist out there (I only said prolific, not necessarily any good by the way), and I don't like Frank Zappa either. Make sense. Plus if it makes sense to whoever that they should like such and such they're probably not going to like it because that's how they roll. You know they're legit.

"Adventures in a Yorkshire Landscape" from 'Live! In the Air Age' is, IMHO, one of THE greatest live guitar performances of the Rock genre. Bill's phrasing and improvisation during his solos are simply beyond the imagination of mortal men. Andy Clark's Fender Rhodes work on this cut is SO tasteful and complimentary to Bill's guitar. The whole band is simply fabulous. I consider myself blessed to have seen Be Bop twice in the later '70's at the height of their powers, and they were nothing short of sensational.

Rolling Stones is just a bad magazine.

Ah, underrated, the most overrated word on RUclips. I do love me some Bill Nelson though.

So 1979 San Francisco Bay Area in high school English class we were asked to bring in our favorite song to discuss the lyrics. One classmate brought in KC and the Sunshine Band. "That's the Way I like it Uh, Uh, " So you know what I was up against. I brought in this song and it was like I was from another planet. The teacher cut me off at the sax solo at the end...

I feel like you have no understanding of Ween or Frank Zappa. Ween just says whatever they want to. When I saw them live Gene Ween introduced the stallion part 3 by saying, "If it wasn't for Frank Zappa I never would have written this song."