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Dude outstanding job on this vid. I’ve been looking for something to make it pop a bit more and everyone just shows in game settings instead

whenever i try this it blows out the UI. super weird.

Nice, dude! Thanks

Hey Jethron are you on Lone Wolf Realm?

This is wild, been trying to find a group for this and another Pally whispered me about this strat and linked your video. Thanks!

The game is based on a system called Diminishing returns which means as you get cc'd by the same school of cc it lasts lower amounts of time. This is prevalent and important to how the game functions the buff would destroy that system and wouldn't work.

reroll from ret paladin if you wanna pvp LOL paladin are healers. if you want to own with a 2h and wear plate....thats called a WARRIOR

CC immunity after one single CC usage is just bad. Would completely destroy the flow and value of CC altogether in a game mode where its already less valuable because of how much damage we do...

Yes and you already have a bubble and you want more immunity

I had hopes the pvp would be good but it's complete ass ass and I don't care about killing rag for the 140th time. Off to classic cata I go.

All CC ability’s can’t be longer than 10sec=profit

How to fix SoD pvp : Delete SoD and send the real fresh.

Hey man, no hate. I agree that PvP in SoD is pretty trash, but your suggestions both fly in the face of the vanilla PvP experience and would serve to completely undermine vanilla BGs and honor rank. 1. No diminishing returns on CC is a staple of Vanilla WoW PvP. That said, the buff you want already exists, from PvP trinket.Not good enough? Stick to playing a non-vanilla version of the game. Not trying to be harsh, but Vanilla WoW's PvP was primarily based around CC/glass cannon playstyles; which granted those who have put in the time/effort/luck to get good gear the unparalleled satisfaction of deleting casuals. Is this fun for the casual/new player? No. But it did/does serve as the stick, prodding players to chase the carrot (better gear). 2. Balancing abilities around PvP is only possible if you make skill damage in PvP fixed (via ignoring dmg bonuses from gear, which is responsible for turning players into insta killers). But this would completely undermine BGs and honor, as it removes any incentive to progress your character in PvP, and considering how quickly even the best PvP gear is made irrelevant by PvE raid gear, normalizing damage in PvP would all but kill PvP. Personally, I think SoD's incursions/open world PvP focus is the primary culprit for the horrible experience most are having in PvP on SoD. Also the fundamental shift in the manner in which players are engaging in open world PvP has gone from "gentlemanly" warfare where players would engage in 1v1/group vs group PvP to entire raid groups camping popular quest givers to snipe/camp individual players. However, this is an experience those of us who roll on PvP servers consciously accept the risk of. Does it piss me off and make me not want to play days at a time after 40 sweaty incels are willing to spend a collective 80 hours ruining 2 hours of my gameplay? Sure. But there's not an effective means of deterring players from such without negatively impacting the experience on non-abusive PvP groups. Like the simplest fix would be splitting the honor gain across the raid group for each kill and rounding that number down to the nearest whole number (thus when 40 people kill someone only worth 32 honor, they get 0 honor gain). But this would have negative knock-on effects that reverberate through other forms of group PvP.

Your CC change is terrible not gunna lie other then that I kinda agree with the other points

There is only one problem, they did not do what classic players wanted. We wanted updated Talents and Skills. With this it would have been easy to balance the game. But they just added this extra "talent" System on the old unbalanced Talents. Lazy as f... and as you can see useless as f.

There are 3 issues. A massive gear gap, a massive build gap and pre made all glad groups

My opinion: If you don't like classic wow then don't try to change it, don't play it and just let the people who enjoy classic wow enjoy it. I hate just the idea of classic wow pvp, as a WOTLK andy my worst nightmare is rogue/mage or mage/priest because I don't get to play my character for literally almost 30 seconds at a time when I'm sitting in an unavoidable cc chain. I couldn't imagine playing classic wow where being CCd like this this is like just a normal part of the game and not something you only get subjected to when you're vs a specific team composition. With that said, I'm not gonna go play classic and ask the game to change for me because I like WOTLK pvp more. I'm just gonna keep playing Wrath.

The thought have having 2 different sets of damage -- one side of pvp and one side for pve, for ALL spells and abilities, I think is a genuinely good idea. That way, the dev team can split their focus and go "okay in the pve world this class is doing waaayyy too much dmg lets fix that" and it would not effect the pvp side of things at all, because the ability is fine for PVP

Author: I like cata pre-patch pvp where geared hunter crits you for 25k with chimaera shot. Also author: pls make sod slower. What are you smoking sir ?

besides SoD already being not balanced, if they change how CC works, classes with a lot of inbuilt CC need to get something else in return, and that "new button" needs to compete with what they had before. yes sure it's annoying to get 1min stunnlocked by a rogue with ful cd's, perma feared by a warlock or combat resetted by a mage. but you could use a lap, phys immunity potions, skull of impending doom, engineering items, potions, first aid etc. there is an option in classic to counterplay it and i'm sorry to say, just because people dont think that's a good solution, that's how it was in classic and that's what we got. if they want to iterate on it, go ahead, but it's not basic math. the balance is just very tipped off by new abilities. like SL warlock with meta is unkillable for almost any class. SL warlock was the best PvP class back in the days for obv reasons. or priest having dispersion on top of their solid kit, rogues getting a 2 combo generator for 40 energy which also does more damage than any other generator, pala's oneclapping you in 1 stunn, shamies running around with double your HP and same dmg + having insta heals. it's not just "nerf dmg numbers and game is fine". it's way more complex. Yes, the DEVS made it that complex, but tbf SoD was kinda seen as a Sandbox mode. It surely seems that they didnt learn anything from other expansions, but that's on them. PvP scaling is a good idea tho, and they've been testing that. biggest problem in PvP when they were testing were healers. cuz they just heal people full in 2 globals. sry for the long wall of text, but in the end all you can do is vote with your wallet. and yes "you're only 1 guy". any revolution starts with a small group of people.

Ah the ''how they should fix pvp'' video. Same as every other video of the last 20 years except a different guy. Goodluck kiddo

I agree. PVE and PVP should work differently, very simple rotation for pvp and probably some abilities not even possible against other players. As a shaman I get very frustrated with all the stunlocks and silences in the game, definitely would love to see them to be cut down, as they just take away the ability to play the game.

sick! this guide got me into the bar on my first attempt, i didnt have Engi though, i used the SS trick and it worked nicely. i just had a lock follow me into BRD and drop a SS on me once i was inside. i didnt have the shadowforge key on my pally though, so formed a grp with my hunter and pally, hunter has the key so i just opened the gates and logged back over to pally. SS doesnt tick down while youre logged off either so it worked out. also the warlock doesnt have to be in the grp to keep the SS. they can just cast it on you and bounce. ALSO! he didnt give you all the mats needed for the quest for stopwatch. you will also need 1 Healing Potion (lvl 12 square viled one) 1 lesser invis potion and 1 pair of Patterned Bronze Bracers (AH or BS can make)

For me it says the "a suported game is required to use this feature" but ye thats pretty cool, it made FF XIV more tolerable (still a shitty game)

Ptiently waiting for phase 4 so that I can camp Stormwind. The guards are quite fiesty at phase 3.

This is true WoW, none of this min max stuff just straight up pain. GG - great vid man well done

typical alliance exp during any patch/gamemode for real casually hardcore

I can't imagine having to do this 250 times with a group like this. Thank god I can solo it

100% skill issue

When they said it will be MC in phase 4 ?

looks like skill issue

Praise Be to Our Savior

I've been playing SoD since the launch and was loving it but Nighmare Incursions made the game dead i think. You can spam gold with it all the time and it fucks up the economy. Leveling just doing that is also a pain in the ass. So boring. Another downside is that Sunken Temple loot is not a big game changer especially for casters. Just bad upgrades. Now I don't even wanna log in the game for just 2 skill power upgrade (if it drops)

i have fallen back into Hardcore. SOD was fun in the beginning but then I felt everything turning into a sweaty grind fest. I’m hardcore it seems people actually care and help each other and has a ton of cool mmorpg moments. SOD feels like more of the same. Get your bis items or don’t join group.

making this vid during sod WORST phase so far xD

CATA HYPE

They should have added heroics in phase 2 ... Like in SM

Loved SOD. But the economy is so far beyond saving now. People have thousands of gold. I had 15k when I stopped playing from incursions and consume selling. Lvl 60 is already doomed

p1 was good p2 was ait, now with p3 and 4 were gonna end up doing wrath numbers of damage, the balacing will fall even further behind. back in the day you did raid to get gear for pvp, now that pvp doesnt exist you just get gear and thats it. theres no point to it anymore, just repetitive reclears over and over again. id rather play cata

Pvp is trash

I play SoD once a week to raid and I must say it's dying. All of my friends quit and I'm trying really hard not to quit myself.

SoD got boring after p1. Im sorry but it kinda blows.

SoD is dead

great video, helped me sooooo much, tytyty

So where ur twisting logs at?

trash can gameplay

I misspoke somewhat on the stop attack on the Crusader strike macro The reason you put stop attack on the macro rotation is so you stop auto-attacking so you can guarantee a successful seal twist 😃

Completing all the pre-quests (Shadowforge Key/Nifty's) would literally take you longer than just a normal run clearing until Guzzler. But yeah, I guess it's a way to 'solo'

actually managed it first try thanks to your guide,tyvm man

the gates were open phase 1. people dont remember seeing the anubisath guys in southern barrens and their blue items selling for 200+ gold????