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I play an Occult caster with Gravitational Pull (good for pulling surrounded allies) and Kinetic Ram (not as great). When I saw Acid Grip (Primal) my jaw dropped.

This is really interesting to consider against a varying number of enemies. With 3 enemies in the AoE for chain lightning, you're looking at a ~13% chance of not hitting all 3. The damage per enemy is so much better than dehydrate that unless the fort save is way lower, you want to go for chain lightning. Meanwhile, as you add enemies, the chance of persistent damage lasting more than 2 rounds is increasing. I'll have to actually sit down and run the calculation, but eyeballing it, any time you can get 4+ enemies in dehydrate, it's very likely to be the better option. With fireball, I think the burst damage vs. reliable damage of the party is the right calculation regardless of number of targets, but I'm sure there's a point where dehydrate is unequivocally better, it's just that it might be an unreasonably high number of enemies for a party to actually be fighting.

One small thing i like about dehydrate: it's available at level 1. It's not nearly as big a burst then, but i do love having careers gets a taste of their AoE damage from the get go.

I really like dehydrate on my druid but I didn't really consider heightening it. Great wideo, but it would be nice if next time you use the archives screenshot, you could copy from a narrower window size so that text will be larger on a video. It's really hard to read those spell stats on a phone screen.

Honestly in my opinion even in the realm of just “it does damage”, fireball is massively overrated. Cave Fangs is my go-to choice for the most part. Range is worse, but same damage and a damage type that’s proooobably(?) better, and also leaves difficult terrain. Dehydrate is a huge spell though, I definitely overlooked it, it definitely outclasses

Thanks for making more advanced content for PF2e! I tend to GM in person for a bunch of newish players. Dehydrate would be a nightmare to keep track of. That being said, on Foundry, where I'm a player, I'd love to try it out.

I think I used the same chain lightning math to try to figure out some Masuda Method stuff while shiny hunting in Pokemon, lol.

I've been using this spell on my Magus and it's been a huge success. The spell is a crazy powerhouse.

I notice that you often say that PF2E's optimization is highly dependent on party comp/cooperation. Could you make a video on how to "set the stage" as a DM that pathfinder is a cooperative game and what kind of conversations to have with your party members at the beginning of a campaign? Great video btw, keep it up!!!!

Persistent damage effects are the gifts that keep on giving! It's particularly fun to give my players firsthand experience how scary it can be to utilize persistent effects!

BRB my Mosquito Witch is running to the scroll store to feed her familiar Dehydrate EDIT: One other thing about dehyrdate that makes it pretty good is that its a damaging spell that holds value at lower slots, as it both has a debuff attached (enfeebled) but because persistent damage will trigger weaknesses, meaning that even lower level dehydrates will do pretty good damage against enemies weak to fire.

Aww shucks, not only do I get a shout-out, but it's on a video about one of my favourite slept-on spells! You know me too well AAA. One thing that wasn't brought up is that when targeting plant and water creatures, the save result is one degree worse than what they roll. This means they can never crit succeed, a success becomes a failure, and a failure becomes a crit failure. It's like inverse incap! I actually realized this by complete accident while testing an encounter with some plant creatures. One of the test PCs I used was a pyromancer build. While I figured it would do well, I didn't even realize the rider effect until I grokked the spell. It ended up carrying the party through the encounter; when you have so much added weakness triggering and enfeebled reducing hit chances and damage, your TTK and overall survivability goes up immeasurably. Spells and effects that drop success results automatically are super slept on. It's situational a lot of the time, but that's the whole point of spell prep; you do you research, play smart, and get rewarded with more powerful and consistent results.

Also worth noting that it's almost never a good idea to run fireball if a PC is caught in the area, but Dehydrate would actually be pretty easy to remediate if a player got hit, since parties are generally decent at recovering

more formulas please! i like also a quick comment about your visuals, no need to feel pressured: - you show a lot of stuff on a bright background and black letters, so maybe you could show the archives in a similar colorpalete - when showing the aon entries would be nice to use your whole screen, not just the bottom half-ish , so zooming in more and maybe disabling webcam (also use html formating to have the entry be the dimensions on the screen), a good guideline is the size of the other text you show - maybe you could use a clean latex style of presentation with some whiteboard aesthetics or use pathfinders iconic fonts and style? - also the art you use at the front and back of your vids, could be cash money if you include the artist name or maybe use an ai tool to make the dark magic around them move a bit for "uuh scray" vibes

Chain Lightning and Fireball both appear OFTEN in the spell lists of monsters with Counterspell. The list of ways that the spell slot could be wasted just grows and grows, and that does make a good case for Dehydrate as a spell.

Ok, CLEARLY @mathfinder thought we were NOT taking his name seriously or putting enough RESPECT on it! He's making SURE we learn today! 😮😂🤪 Also: when I first saw the title, I confused Dehydrate with the Draw Moisture cantrip and thought “Whu?!?” 🤦🏾‍♂️

Irnakurses are really nasty enemies, especially in confined spaces. :o

The thing about dehydrated is it really shows its worth late game when its at higher level. Its a terrible level 1 spell because of how low the hp of enemies are and people dont look at low level spells later.

I never knew that Dehydrate scaled with 3d6 persistent each odd spell rank, that's MASSIVE! Chain lightning is swingier than people think... Of course my favorite AoE spell is hightened slow ;) Keep up the great work!

The math is wrong. You should not be adding up 5% + 4.7% + 4.2%... You should instead be asking what the probability that the nth target didn't crit succeed and plot that against n. That is closer to 1- (1-.95^n). Rather than adding up each bar, you simply look up n

Wouldn't a Starspan Magus be the more sustainable spike damage build than the melee magi, considering the ranged combatant doesn't need to move between targets?

remember kids, stay hydrated

Your mistake was assuming the fireball was trying to be optimal when it was really to ensure I kill everyone around me (party included) in a *spectacular* fashion.

Getting me to watch math voluntarily?! Impressive feat.

You’re out here speed running growing a channel! I can only wish we all grew this quickly! Congrats!

I really like your videos. So much content is just reading the books to us. I can read. I have been thinking Dehydrate was an uderappreciated spell. It is nice to see the math. Also, Congratulations! You channel is amazing and I look forward to more content. I was wondering if you were planning a video on mutagens? I read so much about people discussing how the cost does not outweigh the benefits, but I keep asking myself, what about rank 3 and higher? No one has done the cost/benefit of higher level mutagens and the effects on your stats. At least that I have seen. Thank you again.

dehydrate my beloved, i will always remember what happens when you cast this on a group of mummies

Great video! There's a lot of this stuff for 5e but very little for Pathfinder. Please continue!! The only missed point i noticed was opportunity costs. Spell slots used v/s no resources used, and for prepared casters when one of these cases does NOT come up, slot taken with much less ROI.

I'd really like to see a video on niche uses for a utility/exploration focused spell like Pest Form or Phantasmal Minion. I find myself using Phantasmal Minion as a deluxe Telekinetic Hand far more often than I'd think. It's exceedingly useful to have a disposable set of dexterous hands that can operate things from a safe distance.

Great break down of this remastered spell. I really like the favor they've added with the new spells, almost all of them a rider effect even on a success that makes them strong for action economy.

Wouldn't a more fair comparison be between two shoves and acid grip, since acid grip is two actions? Even with MAP, the Martial will have a similar chance of moving them 5 feet, and a good chance of only using one action to do so.

Excellent video, and congratulations on starting your channel. I always wanted someone to go over higher level mutagens. Everyone always complains about the downside outwaying the benefit, but does no one ever play at higher than 2nd level? Mutagens of rank 3 or higher, in my opinion, are amazing. Wondering what your thoughts on mutagens at higher level are, and have you played using them?

I love your channel name for the content you plan to deliver. Thank you for explaining some of the balancing factors for Pathfinder.

hey there, i have a video idea. i recently played quest for the golden candelabra and had to try the fights number 3 and 5 multiple times. i would love to see a playthrough where the individual moves are analysed and the tactics are explained on a whiteboard. something like; what character is responsible for what and how, judging resource and oportunity costs of moves, spells and consumables

i feel like we established a while ago that pf2e is a real solid chunk of math and propably the best balanced tabletop, and this type of content is there to convince people that dont want to listen that its actualy true. kind of reminds me of this scene from a sitcom called silicon valley: ruclips.net/video/ibwprNB_tuU/видео.html i still apprechiate you fighting entropy though! dont give up fighting xD

Absolutely loved this video! Hope we can look forward to more in the future!

True strike + acid arrow was the play. I think that’s why people liked AA.

I need a The Big Think ™️ emote of you looking up instead of saying "uuuuh" or "aaahm" to signify mathfindings - it's great Take a shot of water everytime MF looks at the ceiling to stay super hydrated homies

I will never turn down a new channel about math or pathfinder let alone one doing both!!

I watched this video before your previous two, and honestly I’m glad I did. Super important fundamental stuff here. I’m sure you already have plenty of video ideas on your plate, but if I can make a request? Prepared spellcasters have a reputation that they only worth of you have near-perfect knowledge of what you will be facing. I’m currently in a game alongside a cleric, and we rarely if ever have good intel on what’s coming up. As a result, she basically doesn’t cast any spells other than Heal. What are some good strategies for players in positions like this, where you have to prepare spells blind?

Hypnotize kinda looking iffy next to Mist I think, given that they give a similar purpose of forcing a DC 5 flat check; Mist has a bigger area of 20 feet as well. Granted, that's an extra action and you can't use it if you've got the Occult list, but it's also one rank lower!

Perhaps this is the wrong place to ask, but I always thought that you couldn't tumble through if there were two enemies blocking the way - referencing around 6:56 in the video. Tumble Through specifies one enemy, so blocking doorways etc with two bodies should prevent any movement towards the wizard / cleric.

This is content I didn't know I needed.... now I can't wait to take in more

Super hyped to see you on this platform! Can't wait to see more of your stuff! Also, I wonder where you would put Earthbind. I find it to be INCREDIBLY situational, particularly at low levels. With that said, by 11th or so, you get enough flying enemies to make it worth it...

What i like in your videos is that it looks like it is a part of a series.

I was really happy to find the channel at first because of the quality of the videos. Then you mentioned your reddit user name and I got even happier! Got a lot of good insights from your comments on the sub. Cheers! Also, it's baffling to me that acid grip and hypnotize are seen as bad spells at all.