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Bought this game on a whim im so happy i did

Seriously ? You wasted your time on this ? I guess you didn't understand the concept of movies. I guarantee I have more experience than you, but om not about to to nit pic a movie not being factual. DS

This is Narcissistic Abuse

Your point of view is that of a generation that is known to be soft. One that was coddled and babied. Every other generation has a different point of view than yours.

Brother makes this masterpiece and another and quits, man we missed out

One of things I learned with my musical training is you can be pushed to the point of 'competence' while learning to loathe yourself and what you do.

This is a great movie. And fletcher does go too far. However, we see him treat some students with respect, and focus on Neman. What is left out is does he treat the students who “have achieved maximum potential” the same way. Personally I’ve experienced coaches who taught in a very similar style and I have to admit, it motivated me to do better. To give more effort than I ever thought I had. If I didn’t have those people in my life, I still wouldn’t know half of what I am actually capable of. The whining and crying about feelings is a crutch for laziness and quit. Or just doing barely enough to get by. However not everyone needs this to be successful. Some people just have talent oozing out. Others have to strive harder. If fletcher treats those who are already succeeding with respect, and gives attention to those who will benefit from it. Then it’s worth it. In my humble opinion.

How was the JVC band (or Nieman) ready to play Caravan? Nieman didn't know it was one of their charts (if it even was) and they weren't using Shaffer charts.

life is overcoming adversity, and sometimes you have to reach inside yourself to find that fucking monster that will sacrifice everything to achieve. the brutality of nature forced us humans to adapt and to overcome. those struggles define us, and make us so happy when we achieve against all odds. i have no issues with mentors, or coaches, or parents being harsh on the ones in their care, as long as the idea is never that I'm doing this to hurt you, I'm doing this so you can survive and thrive.

Mediocrity never understands the price of exceptional

realizing your other junk has little to no views its clear that youre just speaking mindless dribble and its only when you can tickle the minds of the dumb fucks with things like whiplash can you actually get any attention

The unspoken dilemma of this is that the implicit solution is the opposite of the pendulum: hedonism.

I think an important part of the final scene is how Andrew takes control from Fletcher. All of the abuse and manipulation from Fletcher is from the control and respect he has over Andrew, which Andrew constantly pushing himself chasing the hope that his skill will eventually get acknowledged. But it's when Andrew takes charge, upsetting the balance of power between them that he finally shines to his true potential, and though in some ways it can be seen as a validation of Fletcher's methods I think it's important that it is Andrew who forces Fletcher to respect him, rather than that respect being bestowed upon him as a reward.

Just finished playing this masterpiece ! This game connects with you in a very deeper level that is very hard express in words. But your video sums it up very well. That"s a bummer that People don't know how to appreciate good art.

It can all just be boiled down to standards. This is too much, this is too little. Fletcher was one extreme, and idk fill in the rest. But it is interesting how creators can not understand the truth of their own work. I'm reminded of the scene in parks and rec where Donna and Ron compete with having Jerry doing a task.

personally i think the point of the movie is literally just that music can be simple, and enjoyable, or hard, and enjoyable. i was in band all my life, i'm a drummer, percussionist, but i can play trumpet, piano, guitar and bass guitar too. i started to learn sax. i just have a passion for music. good music is hard to play like harder songs in fletchers band. some people it's literally natural, some others have to work for. neamon, had the talent but had to unlock it basically

Comparing Ratchet & Clank to Cyberpunk 2077 is like comparing a barbecue meal and a seven course restaurant meal. Both take time and knowledge to do, but one is significantly easier to pull off than the other.

Is it bad I respect him for his perseverance and commitment to his goal? Even if it didn’t turn exactly how he wanted?

Abuse? No one great was ever coddled. Struggle makes a human achieve more it’s proven time and time again. Can’t make a navy seal by telling him he’s special.

Here is my full movie synopsis; just finished it after not watching for a while - In the beginning, right from the get go, we have Andrew Neiman, an average innocent teen with a rather average family.. on the other hand, Terrence Fletcher, the snake hiding in the grass, ever waiting to strike, ever waiting to find his next diamond to make out of a rock through his pressure. They meet, and Andrew seems like the perfect ‘victim’ to fall into the pressure of Fletcher’s wrath. Throughout the movie, we see this happen, from the perspective of both characters. Neiman is put through trials and IMMENSE pressure, by Fletcher, who in turn, never gives out. Andrew’s passion for music becomes his obsession and isolates him from nearly everything he loves, to the point of nearly destroying him.. Meanwhile, Fletcher is not backing down, continually putting the “diamond” pressure on Andrew, until eventually getting him to what seems to be his ‘breaking point’ and Andrew strikes back. Second half of the film, yes, we see Fletcher in a vulnerable state BUT that sense of tension between Neiman and Fletcher is still there.. Fletcher is still that ‘cobra’ waiting to strike at any moment, but this has given Andrew some time to adjust his life, his priorities, and increase his power… Although Andrew gets sucked back in to Fletcher’s path, we see Andrew becoming stronger, more confident in himself. Less afraid of Fletcher than before, and more sure of himself,to not take his abuse. This leads to the final performance.. Andrew gets back behind the kit, it seems a bit rocky when he messes up “Upswing” however, he takes a moment from there to collect himself, and charge on. The final scene is the climax of Neiman, where his power and determination overthrows Fletcher. He isn’t afraid of Fletcher and proves even by one cymbal *crash* during Caravan (which he takes lead on himself). At this point Fletcher knows he’s been defeated. He knows he has found his ‘diamond’ BUT at the same time, Andrew has gotten to a point where he knows he’s beaten Fletcher and is now superior. Fletcher ignited a fire in Andrew, and by the final scene and drum solo, it explodes into a blazing fireball that Fletcher realizes has more power than he can even handle. Obviously his Dad is shocked by this, and horrified as he looks on from the outside, however I feel like after the cameras cut, he is overwhelmed with emotions, but Andrew reassures him of his victory over Fletcher, when he walks off stage. This is the final straw between Fletcher and Neiman, and I personally feel like they never see each other again. Andrew continues pursuing music, but not under Fletcher’s control. As far as Fletcher after the screen cuts, I feel as though he accepts his defeat to Neiman, again they shake hands mutually and go their separate ways. Whether he attempts to lure Andrew or others in, down the road, I can’t say. But in a nutshell I feel that even though Fletcher put Andrew through such immense pressure during the movie, by the time the final scene comes, Andrew puts up one final battle, WINS, thereby Terrence Fletcher accepts defeat. He has gained his ‘diamond from a rock’, but at the same time the fire in Andrew’s very soul, struck down the cobra that was Fletcher, and he was overthrown. If you are still reading at this point, I applaud you and would love some feedback!🎶

Gris is most certainly a masterpiece, beautiful game.

Whiplash is a psychological thriller about a serial abuser that's told from the perspective of one of his victims

This video perfectly sums up how I feel about this game.

That smile by Fletcher at the end, wasn't one of pride, it was the Devil himself, realizing he'd grabbed another soul. (for lack of a better analogy) Teller, smiling back was signing the pact. His metamorphisis was complete. Soul is gone, changed forever, whatever that might bring.

'abuse' without a purpose, without an intent for future success, or without 'love', is just evil. 'abuse' (limited) that makes a person better and with a purpose can be justified by a coach or 'teacher' if its matches the persons character and mature personality, and is eventually seen as 'tough love' with scar tissue that heals over time, and does not lead to self destruction .

I loved this game. Couldn’t put it down. I’ll be forever seeking something as good.

The cd project red thing was about time restraints not grind. If they had more time but the same pressure it could have been great

my, our vines have tender grapes! i guess you're okay with living in a good job world. you'd rather not have any charlie parkers. and like it or not, this leaves a world without cops or soldiers (which actually is a hippie snowflake paradise). too much is called abuse that is just being tough and firm and this waters down real abuse. i've had some fletchers in my life and i'm better for them, well-adjusted and happy. i'm reminded of a good quote i've heard recently: life it hard, get a helmet. one love, y'all!

Damn. So you're saying I might have been abused?.....

The whole point of any good dramatic ending is seeing the primary character give up fundamental part of themselves up to succeed or fail. For better or for worse, they change. The point of the ending is to be bittersweet. Neiman wins, but he gives up everything else and goes to the dark side to do so.

Bob Knight was a good coach not because he threw chairs and choke players, he was a good coach because he himself was a star player with tons of experience leading teams to victory even before becoming a coach. He knew the game and people tolerated his temper because he knew the game so well. John Brennan was just a mediocre coach with a shit temper, and as his career clearly demonstrates, having a shit temper does nothing to make you any less mediocre. Just as it is ridiculous to say that since Einstein had affairs with manay women it's the affairs that made him a genius, it is ludicrous to attribute Bob Knights success to his crap temperament instead of his knowledge of the game and his leadership qualities that helped pull him through in spite of his bad temper

This movie is about fathers & sons. It is no wonder that females and males who grew up without fathers find it confusing.

From a philosophical point of view both fletcher and niemann are the same. How far is to far? Where is the line? Neither sees a line because it doesnt exist and therefore is never enough. Both want greatness. Not external validity of that greatness, only personal and they will never reach that. Niemann is fletcher. The end is the justification of this. Niemann accepts his life and obsessive disorder to be great. Fletcher sees that niemann has turned into him and has the same greatness need in life. In their minds you either bend and break to pressure or take that pressure and turn yourself into a diamond. They are the same, putting pressure, taking pressure, and having pressure on themselves and others to find like minded people. Ones that are not, leave and lose the obsessive drive. Niemann had that drive all throughout until he "failed". He couldnt recoup so he stopped. But the drive was there and he couldnt get rid of it. Which is why he went back. And he fell in even more as his technique was there but his mindset wasnt. When he said the f u to fletcher and came back and played that cemented himself just as sonny did with a cymbal thrown at him. 2 parallels. Also the player may not have been sonny. Cant remember off top my head. Obsessives that are self serving find others like themselves. Destructive actions are not seen as such because it leads to their ultimate greatness need.

Ok so Stockholm Syndrome. You can skip the video knowing you know what it’s about, you’re welcome

Love Miles...But; that was NOT an example of "musical genius" It's second year music college stuff.. Now, if Miles had composed So What or Venus de Milo like his name sake Miles Davis; THAT is what "musical genius" looks like...As a drummer for 50 years, LOVED whiplash but...Like JK isn't a master Jazz Teacher; Miles is just acting.

I am immensely enjoying Gris. Not by immediate relation to trauma (although who can't relate to that?), but for the beauty, the atmosphere and the gentle intelligence of this unique creation. Thanks for sharing and good luck with the anxiety. All the best.

For Fletcher and Neymann being a musician was a matter of life or death. Not everyone values life for the sake of life itself, but of life with a purpose. The problem is that the west values useless life too much, and Fletcher's methods devalue normal life too much. Everyone was in Fletcher's class by CHOICE. Fletcher's behavior is not "rewarded." Neymann's dedication and unbreakable will is the one that pulls through. It was not Fletcher's fault for Neymann driving while on a phone call, nor for his accident. One of the few things that I do find unforgivable, however, is that Fletcher does not call off the performance after looking at his student be bloodied on stage. The message of the film also forgets to fully explore the alternative of a mediocre life for musicians. It misses part of the truth. The real tragedy is all those who gave up into being just another instrument player in the process of dying... and perhaps we all die, but some of us were able to live the life we wanted before. How hard is our own happiness worth fighting for? How much of our own blood and sweat is it worth spilling?

I recently staryed learning the Chinese guitar, found a world class concert lead to give some lessons in his downtime. He told me the story of how he got so good. His teacher wrote a series of 118 drills. I got a few of the basic ones to learn. Hundreds to thousands of notes per drill. My teacher along with the rest of his class was made to memorize the drills, then play them blindfolded with his teacher standing behind with a metal ruler. Evey missed note was a whack. He said two things: 1) his teacher was an absolute madwoman 2) his teacher made him the world class musician he is today Extreme methods are very often involved in the foundations of extreme ability. Fletcher from an ethical view aside, this kind of shit definitely happens, and also definitely works

The folks saying GRIS is boring are people who didnt take the time to look into it. Its a journey-like. A game about feels. Anyone that bought it then was shocked by this needs to seriously look at their buying habits.

I accidently discovered this game a few days ago and I fell in love with it. I never cried playing a game before. It's so beautiful. Ethereal. Makes me think. There's happy elements too, and so many surprises.

Your hypothesis is on point. Yet, I love the ambiguity of the message of this film because it's like real life It reminded me of learning how to swim by being thrown into the deep end of a pool by a cruel older neighbor when I was a pre teen. After the result I thanked him, but, I was, also, left with the feeling of being the victim of a misplaced and mishandled power dynamic. After all; there are more productive ways to manage such tasks. Imagine if I had drowned. My comment might look like glur glur glur!

Andrew to Fletcher: "I'll cue you" End of the script: Fletcher CUES THE FINAL NOTE. implying Andrew is never out of the abusive control of Fletcher, craving for his recognition. I think he would have killed himself eventually, just like the other student did so.

The complexity of the ending is part of what makes this such a great film. If Fletcher simply had gotten some sort of comeuppance for his bad behavior, it'd come off as phony or even saccharine.

they didnt smile, fletcher told neiman at the end scene "good job".

Fletcher is a "teacher", By "teaching" like this you teach students that it's okay to abuse people especially that have less authority than you to get a desired result. Even if its just a personal desire. They say 2 wrongs don't make a right, well an abuser abusing a victim and a victim accepting the abuse shouldn't justify the results.

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Greatness isn't usually easy or pretty. It's not for everybody. Pushing yourself to the brink of your abilities isn't healthy or comforting. Regular folks are shocked at this kind of obsessiveness and pressure, but regular folks don't get books written about them.

Good analysis. You didn't just go for the simplistic 'Fletcher bad!' interpretation.

The guy was a psychopath. I can see why feels like a victory but that guy should never be in a position of power over anyone.

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