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This is a SPORTS movie not not a “musical”

Fletcher learned nothing, and only acknowledged Neiman's talent when it was finally sufficient enough to justify Fletcher's worldview and methods to Fletcher himself. It was never for Neiman's benefit, that's a lie Fletcher told Neiman to justify his cruelty and that Neiman internalized to justify all the pain he went through. I thought that was pretty clear from the ending and I'm honestly shocked anyone would believe Fletcher's methods were honest attempts to hone someone's skills. Encouragement and reciprocation are more powerful tools in helping someone improve than belittling and insulting them. It seems so obvious and it's sad we live in a world where so many reject this simple truth.

Food for thought, great reflection.

Yea the gameplay definitely is boring but the game isnt for everyone

I honestly don't understand, how the ending of this movie could be interpreted as happy (no judgements ofc) protagonist guy just fell in the same pattern, that ruined his life before, and on top of that fletcher gets exactly what he wants

Good God, man. Marine Corps drill instructors are 10x’s harsher than Fletcher.

You know maybe I'm just an optimist but I did see positivity in the ending. When Andrew is looking at the old videos of himself playing, I think that's him rediscovering why he likes it. I'm not sure if the Director intended this, but notice how Andrew isn't coming into improvise on Fletcher's song? He starts the song and everyone is supposed to follow. To me, Andrew is expressing himself as a musician and having fun again for the first time in a long time. It's not Fletcher's tempo, it's Andrew's.

I view this movie as a type of horror film. Andrew gives everything away to gain nothingness. Fletcher is a demon that lives off the misery of everyone around him. The end scene was Fletcher trying to suck the last bit of humanity out of Andrew by setting up his failure, but Andrew having lost all decided to embrace the darkness and become like Fletcher.

I see in this movie why jazz music is dying 😂

I feel like this movie was for people to relate, obviously its over dramatized, but all musicians gave gine through this, they gain reassurance, only for someone ( sometimes the same person) to tear it all away and you lose confidence in yoursf and begin to think you cant

How bad is it I can’t even watch this without getting emotional all over again this game broke my heart and built me back up again 💚

Or maybe we’re just overthinking it? Holy shit man.

I think whether you saw a sad ending or a happy ending depends entirely on your character

I play this game once every year. I played it when I lost my grandfather. When I lost my best friend. When I learned my mom was diagnosed with cancer. This game is about grief and processing loss and trauma. But it’s also about healing. The visuals and music are healing in and of themselves. Sure, it never fails to make me cry my eyes out. But I feel healthier every time I do. This game is a masterpiece, 100%.

The director doesnt have a band if they dont follow him

😭 was waiting for him to say "i want spiderman"😅😅😅

I like how Fletcher is all up in his face when he gets it, like some sort of dark Faustian teacher, and then slowly fades into the black background as the deal comes to a close and Andrew has finally given up that last piece of his soul to become a great musician. His father also sees the ritual pact come to a close and realizes that his son has truly given himself over to something and he as a father can't save him from it.

Fletcher is awesome, blue ribbon beta culture is way more harmful

Well. Yes it gets results. One needs look no further than any military training that treats people like they do, to tear out the humanity and replace it with a soldier who just follows orders. What comes to mind, is Reece in the army from Malcom in the Middle. If you dont know the scene, I suggest you look it up. Fletcher is basically boot camp, before they stopped letting drill instructors abuse physically and use certain words. Its a system of tearing someone down, to build them into what they want them to be. Fletcher is doing exactly that I think.

The point is not the point, the point is the art, whats the point of playing Music if you dont enjoy it and it takes over your life

At the end of the movie, you don’t see Andrew achieve greatness, you see him impress his abusive teacher. That solo may not be remembered by anyone but the teacher and student. We don’t see any success afterwards, so maybe he became great, or maybe he just goes home and life moves on. Jazz isn’t as big as it was when Charlie Parker was around. These days, you could probably be 3 times as good as Charlie Parker, and people would still rather watch tik tok. He might’ve become great just to be forgotten anyways.

Look up Gioachino Rossinni. Go on. This cheeky fellow wrote amazing music, like the William Tell Overture and The Barber of Seville. Beethoven said of him: “Rossini would have been a great composer if his teacher had spanked him enough on his backside.”

I purchased a physical copy, and i wanted to play it, but i decided it belonged with my best friend. Life is about sharing beautiful happenings

I think the shot of andrews father tells the meaning perfectly, andrew going back on stage and taking complete control from fletcher is immensely satisfying, but when the song is finished and andrew keeps playing, fletcher knows how to regain control over andrew and gives him the approval he desperately craved

oh wow this video is 3 years ago. I was like, nah bro Cyberpunk slaps hard now lol

The kid just ends up getting the greatest reputation for drumming but is always compared to Buddy Rich or Art Blakey, ends up compensating by mainlining heroin, which eventually leads to an overdose after a jazz jig in a two-bit jazz joint on the lower east side of Dallas… South Dakota.

The Last Scene perception from my point of view. 1. Family is always there to grab you in your falls 2. No matter how hard the situation has become the pushback is must and that’s the last step which brings all that you want . The last pushback Writing in a highly motivated state

Fletcher stripped him of everything and under it was genius. It happens everyday in the military.

Whiplash is an artistic depiction of traumatic bonding on film.

His soul died.

I once listened to a tape of a Buddy Rich's abusive tirade at his orchestra musicians for "not keeping up" at a practise session. It was shocking and horrifying to listen to that type of response from a great drummer who, through his phenomenal playing on stage, appeared so controlled and self confident. Some psychologists say that this expressed human anger is a defensive response usually based on fear, fear of physical and mental pain that comes from external or internal ridicule and feelings of insecurity. What Rich's fear was based on is unknown but may have been ingrained during his childhood. The film seemed to have "expressed anger" as a prominent theme. One can see the ridicule and lack of support expressed during Andrew's family dinner, even by his own father. Psychologists cite fear is a great motivator, a motivator that drives Andrew to " be one of the greatest" drummers of all time. Fletcher feels that fear and uses it to drive Nieman - a fear that Fletcher also has inside, a fear of failure as a "great" teacher. To me , this is a brilliant study by film's director on how fear feeds on fear and the complex human emotional results. A great film!

so many folks utterly miss the theme of this movie. It baffles me. It's a re-telling of Frankenstein - and in the end, the Fletcher cries "it's a alive" - even his posture and hand gestures are straight out of the original movie. Fletcher finally made his monster. Freakin' brilliant.

You took the words out of my mouth seriously

I can’t stand people like Fletcher, let alone teachers like him. In my opinion, those kinds of people are evil. What they do to their students is unacceptable, unforgivable behavior. I hate it when people get like that. In fact, I wanna say that after the show, when Neiman and Fletcher get backstage, Fletcher started to beat the living daylights out of him, accusing him of humiliating him in front of everyone. He’s that scary.

The ending isnt a false ending. Its exactly what it was set out to be from the beginning. A triumphant story anout becoming great. If the story was a “we got our dream but at what cost” story, then the ending would be a flash forward of andrew being famous successful, a legend, a name next to the greats, but his life would be sad. He would be sad. Instead we get both fletcher and andrew realizing the answer to the thematic question of whiplash. “Are you willing to sacrifice everything to achieve greatness?” And the answer is Yes for andrew. The director isnt intentionally validating fletchers behavior because fletcher is just a catalyst for the tragedy’s that all great artists inevitably suffer to become a great. Fletchers only Arc is “does this kid have what it takes? Can he truly sacrifice everything and still come out on top?” And Andrews is “Can I sacrifice everything and truly come out on top”. At the end of whiplash, Andrew no longer cares about his abuse, nor losing his girlfriend, or even his own happiness for that matter. All he wanted was to be one of the greats, and he got exactly what he wanted.

Fletcher doesn't care for he's a psychopath. He'd destroy a thousand lives to find one genius, not because he enjoys doing so but if that's what it takes then so be it, atleast in his mind.

I do not care that Fletcher got what he wants, absolutely beautiful ending

I like how at the very end you realize that there’s no way to win - if Nieman messes up the song, he’s proved Fletcher right that he’s just not cut out for it. If Nieman plays the song well, he justifies himself to Fletcher, but also proves Fletcher right that abuse is a good way to make a virtuoso. Fletcher gets his way, either way. Nieman lost when he took up Fletcher’s offer to play at the concert and we, the audience, didn’t even realize it until it was too late.

Even within the artistic context of the world of Music, Fletcher is the worst kind of fraud, because he turns passion into an obsession. Compare scenes of Neiman playing the drums between before he met Fletcher and afterwards.

For me, good piece of art is one that asks questions, not one that makes statements. And Whiplash is so damn good

Some people want greatness more than they want happiness. We saw from his conversation at the dinner table that Andrew is one of those people.

this is why you couldn't break 5k subs. you don't get it.

And this take is why you will never be great

Cope

reading all these comments they tend towards abusive and perfection while losing humanity and all, but i also want to notice that a lot of classical music, including jazz music, is written down by the original performer and often ment to be played in a certain manner. tempo, timbre, distortion, sudden changes, all is written down and will hopefully be copied by others in their own but similar matter. with very complex material most of the average to good performers often have trouble finding the right groove. in those cases only the best can play these parts. many solo's, whether drumsolo's or pianosolo's or even trumpetsolo's are written in this kind of way. so that it becomes almost impossible for average 'joe's' to play these parts. this is done on purpose. think Miles Davis, or Mozart, or Emerson, Lake and Palmer, even Jimmy Hendrix is very difficult to copy, mainly because he used and upside down electric guitar which gave him that partical edge. it takes a great performer besides the originator of the piece to achieve the same sort of admiration from listeners when played with that same original feel to the part. that is the same reason that so view copycats reach that same greatness, not counting our society's addiction to soundmix shows as AGT or similar. yes, some endeavours will cost more than you or i are willing to pay. like the old saying 'selling your soul at the crossroads' often portraits the Devil himself as the manifestor of the given talents. btw Keith Emerson took his own life once his hands could not keep up with his own written music. Miles Davis: death by 'speedball'. John Coltrane the same. the peak in performance arts is reachable, but costly. these are my 'two cents' on succes and how to get there. being the victim of an abusive teacher, parent, or coach is no funny business, but for some without that harshness from youth they would not have been noticed by anybody but the closest around them, or not even, which makes abuse even more worrying.

i never knew anybody thought this was a happy ending

The end justifies the means. -Niccolo Machiavelli

As a veteran, it’s very common for military members to experience abusive leadership that uses punishment and negative reinforcement to achieve results. This dynamic then breeds new leaders that carry on this way of leadership. I’m guilty of it. I was emotionally tormented my first couple years on a submarine and then became the very leader that I hated! Fortunately, my new senior leader was the opposite and his way of encouraging, allowing mistakes, and positive reinforcement, allowed me to unlock so much more potential that I didn’t know I had. This lead to rapid advancement on merit, and forced me to completely abandon how I was leading the others. Before leaving that submarine, I got to see several people under me get meritorious promotions, and senior level awards as junior members! The retention rate also went from 20% to 80%, as nearly everyone stayed in to make careers in the Navy! It was when I saw those under me becoming successful that it all made sense, and it was never about me again! The beginnings of ones military service does a lot of breaking down. If their leaders at their first command use positive methods, they will get so much more out of them!…The one exception to this would be when dealing with someone that is already self-entitled! That would need to be broken out of them first. So I guess a mix of both is necessary.

Try combat sports. Do you think you'll get good by visiting a McDojo? Where you never get hit, cuz you're too soft or the trainer is too soft to you?? I think not. There is no excellence without pain and sacrifice.

This is a great video