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*Amen.* - *Shortly before the crucifixion, Jesus was explaining to His disciples that although He was going away, He would not leave them comfortless.* - *During this conversation, Philip said to Him,* - *“Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us” [see John 14:8].* - *Jesus replied by saying,* - *“…. Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”* John 14:9-11. *Did Christ mean He was the Father or that He was “the express image of His Father,”?* [Col 1:15; Heb 1:3] *Christ has the same nature, attributes and glory* - *In other words, he that sees one, sees the other.* *Now let us see what happens when Jesus is speaking about himself in* - *“Third Person language”.* For some reason people get tripped up on this. *This is a grammatical type of language used more commonly than you would think.* - *Jesus is speaking about himself as if he had •“ANOTHER” of himself* standing before him and whoever he is conducting his conversation with.* Most people when reading John 14:16 instinctively assume that ANOTHER Comforter* means a different being from Christ. *What they fail to realize is the manner in which John wrote and the other vital point is how Jesus spoke about Himself in the 'third person'.* *Shortly thereafter in John 14:16 Jesus said:* - "And *I* will pray the Father, and *he* shall give you *ANOTHER [G243 ἄλλος, ALLOS] Comforter,* that *he* may abide with you for ever." *[“I” is first person; “another Comforter” and “he” is third person.]* *A few verses later Jesus then said,* - *“I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”* John 14:18 *This very same phrase “ANOTHER” is used in Hebrews 4:8 - *“For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day.”* *At first glance in our English translations, the word “another” might give the appearance of a different day.* - *However, in the Greek, there are two words for “another”.* *1.)* - *“Heteros” [G2087] means “another of a different kind”,* - *2.)* - *while “allos” means “another of the same kind”.* - *The word used in Hebrews 4:8 is •“allos” [G243], indicating a Sabbath day of the same kind as referred to in Hebrews 4:5-8, that is, the seventh-day Sabbath.* *It is very plain to see that when Jesus said the “Comforter” is coming,* - *He said that it was Himself that would come.* - *OBVIOUSLY THOUGH, THIS WAS NOT IN BODILY FORM BECAUSE BODILY HE WAS IN HEAVEN WITH HIS FATHER* [Acts 2:39, 7:56, Hebrews 8:1, 12:2]. *The Scriptures also tell us that bodily He will return to earth* [Matthew 26:64, Acts 1:10-11, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Revelation 1:7 etc]. *There is a difference therefore in Jesus coming as the Comforter and Jesus coming bodily.* *Another example of third-person language only:* “Even the *Spirit of truth;* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth *him* not, neither knoweth *him:* but ye know *him;* for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” John 14:17 *At the last supper, Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him “Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”* [See John 14:22]. Jesus replied, “If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and *(we) will come unto him, and make (our) abode with him.”* [See John 14:23]. *From what Jesus said here to His disciples, it is very evident that when the Comforter came it would be both God and Christ that came *[“we will come unto him”] yet not bodily.* - *This is because bodily, both God the Father and Christ would both still be in heaven.* - *This is the very reason why the early Seventh-day Adventists believed that the Holy Spirit was not “another” person with individuality like God and Christ but was both of them [God and Christ] omnipresent.* - *In other words, the Holy Spirit was said to be the Spirit of both God and Christ.* *After showing His disciples the nail marks in His hands and feet, also after saying to them* - *“Peace be unto you”, He “ … breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost”* John 20:22. *Jesus breathed His own Spirit on them, not someone else.* - * It is this same spirit that is mentioned in Genesis 1:2,* - *•“the Spirit of God” which can be translated the •“breath of God”.* *[Referring to John 20:22] - *Remember this happened after the resurrection but before the ascension.* - *The Holy Spirit was not yet fully manifested; for Christ had not yet been glorified.* *Anyone who is being honest could never say that Jesus breathed on His disciples a person as we normally perceive a person to be* - *a person like Himself and His Father [or like you and me].* *Note how Ellen White spoke of herself in the first and third person. She spoke of herself as though she were another person. [This is Ellen White writing about herself in this passage]:* *“I [first person]* understood that some were anxious to know if *Mrs. White [third person]* still held the same views that *she [third person]* did years ago when they had heard *her [third person]* speak in the sanitarium grove, in the Tabernacle, and at the camp-meetings held in the suburbs of Battle Creek. *I [first person]* assured them that the message *she [third person]* bears today is the same that *she [third person]* has borne during the sixty years of *her [third person]* public ministry. *She [third person]* has the same service to do for the Master that was laid upon *her [third person]* in *her [third person]* girlhood. *She [third person]* receives lessons from the same Instructor. The directions given *her [third person]* are, "Make known to others what *I [first person]* have revealed to you. Write out the messages that *I [first person]* give you, that the people may have them." This is what *she [third person]* has endeavored to do.” 21LtMs, Ms 63, 1906, par. 20 *Did you notice how in the same passage she alternates between speaking in the* - *[first person [I]* - *to the *third person [she, her]?* - *But in the whole passage she is referring to herself, not two people.* - *This is manifestly clear to any who reads that passage.* The Bible and SOP are in harmony. *It is very clear that the literal third person does not exist at all. Rather, it is the very ONIPRESENCE presence of our Savior.* 2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord [Jesus] is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” [Referring to the Holy Spirit, Paul says that Christ is that Spirit]. *While Paul wrote in Ephesians 4:4* that there is only *one Spirit,* he again tells us in *Galatians 4:6* that *this Spirit is the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He received from His Father.* -*When you receive the Spirit of God, you receive the Spirit of His Son into your heart also. The Father did not send another individual. He sent the Spirit of His Son.* Galatians 4:6 *“God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son* into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” *Since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and Son, who dwells in us by the Holy Spirit? It is the Father and Son aboding in us.* This message is to be proclaimed in sanctified unity. This sanctified unity is confirmed in John 14:23 *“… and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him”* *And being one in Spirit gives us access to the Father through Christ our mediator.* “For *through Him [Christ]* we both have access by *one Spirit unto the Father.”* Ephesians 2:18 *As Jesus said,* - *“No one comes to the Father except through Me.”* John 14:6 So, it is by the Holy Spirit that Christ lives in us which also gives us access to the Father. “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but *Christ liveth in me:”* Galatians 2:20 *The Spirit of Christ is our Comforter (parakletos) which also means “helper” and is translated as such in the NKJV,* “For I know that through your prayers and *the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ,* what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.” Philippians 1:19 ‘For I know that as you pray for me and *the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps* me, this will lead to my deliverance.’ *NLT* *Since the Holy Spirit is the Comforter and Spirit of truth,* - *if the Father and the Son were not one in Spirit, then Christ by His Spirit could not be the Comforter and Spirit of truth.* - *It is only by sharing the same Spirit that this is possible.*

I love brother Ivor; however, I realized he lost the script when he came to Hebrews 1:3-6. He seemed to have glossed over some very important points and then attempted to give his explanation, even though he said to let the scripture speak. I'm amazed at the fact that we say we believe every word of Jesus, yet when Jesus says he is the only begotten Son of God, we catch a fit over that and then presume to tell Jesus that He is wrong.

Great Answer Brother of is it pastor 🙏

Amen, well said

Amen, well said

Amen well said

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Talk about twisting the Word of God! How pathetic!

Jesus was begotten at His resurrection during his incarnation and in the context of his incarnation.. Acts 13:33 KJV God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ellen White agrees. “We declare unto you glad tidings,” the apostle continued, “how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that He hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee. And as concerning that He raised Him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, He said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore He saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: but He, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.” AA 172.1

ANOTHER COMFORTER IDENTIFIED Illeism: the practice of talking about oneself in the third person, rather than the first person. google Some examples of Jesus talking about himself in the third person are given below: Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in HIS glory, and all the holy angels with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory: Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when HE cometh in the glory of HIS Father with the holy angels. Joh 14:16-20 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that HE may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth HIM not, neither knoweth HIM: but ye know HIM; for HE dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS I WILL COME TO YOU. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, AND I IN YOU. The “ANOTHER COMFORTER” is identified by Jesus in the following verses: In verse 17 “ ANOTHER COMFORTER” is identified as “the Spirit of truth”. Who is the “spirit of truth?” 1Co 15:45 … the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening spirit. Here the Bible describes Jesus as a spirit In John 14:6 Jesus is said to be the truth. Joh 14:6 JESUS SAYETH unto him, I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus IS the Spirit of truth! Also in verse 17 Jesus continues to identify “another comforter”: but YE KNOW HIM; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU (this he said in the present tense), and SHALL BE IN YOU. (future tense read on) He told the disciples in verse 18 I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS, I WILL COME TO YOU. And then in verse 20 said: At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, AND I IN YOU . Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: When Jesus promised “another comforter”, that meant that they were already in the presence of A COMFORTER. Who was the comforter that was with the disciples (present tense) ? It was the Son of God in human form. So who is the “ANOTHER COMFORTER” that Jesus promised to send? The answer is, it’s Jesus in His omnipresent form (future tense). “It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, "the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name." "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth"” [John 16:12, 13]. {14MR 179.2} “Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" [John 14:26]. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you" [John 16:7]. {14MR 23.3} Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost (HOLY SPIRIT): Think it through; when Jesus breathed on them did he breathe the third person of the Godhead on the assembly or did He give them His power or influence? Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Did the Holy Ghost shed his blood for us or was it Christ? 1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Strong’s: 3875 parakletos {par-ak'-lay-tos} AV - comforter 4, advocate 1; 5 An advocate means one advocate not two also advocate and comforter come from the same word parakletos.

Amen!

Thanks Virgil,so well presented and easy to understand

putting all the verses involved together, Genesis one could read, "In the beginning Jehovah God created the heavens and earth By His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ."

Amen..Pastor Virgil. God bless you and your ministry. Thank you for sharing these powerful truths.

Thank you for sharing 👍

Thank you for these videos - the more I hear arguments about when the Son of God came into existence and if he is begotten and if he really is the Son and who he is relative to his Father, etc. etc. the more I think the whole issue comes about because of the underlying belief in the trinity doctrine. It seems to me that is what causes the confusion because those that believe in it have to make Jesus and the Father and their spirit co-equal to make the doctrine valid. In order to do that it is required to twist the truth and create explanations since one is trying to establish something that doesn’t exist. The premise is faulty so all consequent ideas must be faulty. Attempting to verify something that is non-existent is a fools errand unfortunately the majority of Christianity has been misled to believe it - Satan has been hard at work these past 2000 yrs. May God open all eyes, especially those of the shepherds of the flock, to know and preach truth.

Amen Brother!

I think it is really confusing... Having Jesus as a LITERAL SON OF GOD only when he became Human and not at Eternity past.... How can a God (the Son) who is self existed need to be born by another God (the Father to be Human)... How can we take that literal

“BEGOTTEN” There is a lot of confusion in the world as to what “BEGOTTEN” means. Remember Jesus said: Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. In this study we will let the Bible show you what “Begotten” means through “parallelism”. In PARALLELISM the speaker uses a word to describe a thought or action then in the same or following verse uses a different word to describe the same action. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Num 11:12 Have I CONCEIVED all people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers? Ecc 5:14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he BEGETTETH a son, and there is nothing in his hand. Ecc 5:15 As he CAME FORTH of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand. Gen 30:39 And the flocks CONCEIVED before the rods, and BROUGHT FORTH cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. Isa 39:7 And of thy sons that shall ISSUE from thee, which thou shalt BEGET, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon. Jesus said: Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I CAME OUT from God. Joh 16:28 I CAME FORTH from the Father, and am come into the world: AGAIN, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou CAMEST FORTH from God. In Proverbs 8:22-31 the Son of God declared concerning Himself: Pro 8:22-31 The LORD POSSESSED ME in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I WAS BROUGHT FORTH: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one BROUGHT UP with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. In the video several persons were quoted, so I shall quote one also: “The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning.” {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2}

The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2}

Amen and Amen brother 💕💕

In the beginning was the woman, and the woman was with the Man, and the woman was what the Man was, for the woman was of the same nature as the man for the woman came out of the Man. Therefore, God created them Male and female, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. (Genesis 5:1-2.) Adam came first, Eve came latter, bone of his bone, and flesh of his Flesh. The creation of Adam and Eve was an Object lesson for the whole universe, because Lucifer lied about the identity of Gods dear divine Son, and got up a warfare over the matter, until he had to be cast down to the earth. All written in the Spirit of Prophecy.

Thank you brother Virgil. May God allow this message to reach far and wide.

Amen thank you brother Virgil... what a beautiful message... God bless

Ivor has not yet put the puzzle together. I hope he does soon.

Thank you brother Virgil for your good video... But everyone fails to explain that there are two different meanings for the English word ' Begotten' STRONGS says this... gennaō - Begotten ghen-nah'-o From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. (Act_13:33, 1Co_4:15, Phm_1:10, Heb_5:5 (2), 1Jn_5:1, 1Jn_5:18) monogenēs - Begotten mon-og-en-ace From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child). (Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9) Pastor Ivor Myers conveniently chose the other meaning of begotten (gennaō ) ... which does attribute to Jesus the Son of God, being birthed into becoming the Son of man, birthed as a child, when the word became flesh... But when it comes to the other word begotten (monogenēs) which doesn't mean unique, as the Greek word for unique is monadikós, this word monogenēs means 'only child' .... They conveniently choose the word gennaō to back up their argument... What is sad, I like anyone else, can see for ourselves using the concordance to prove the real meanings of these words... these guys are theologians, and professionals... shows me they know what they are doing, by decieving the flock, May the Lord have mercy on our souls

I pray that Ivor will get it, he does seem to have some pride and he has a wife and children and probably a very good pay check.

Anyone in the one true God movement in the area of maryland ? Me and hubby are looking for one true God folks to fellowship together

Anyone in the one true God movement in the are of maryland ? Me and hubby are looking for one true God folks to fellowship together

I don’t seek to defame Pr Meyers’ character as I believe he truly loves God and is just passionate in defending what he perceives to be true, but often I notice that many people’s passion leads them to pass remarks that seem almost intentionally fallacious, namely him saying that people with our understanding do not believe there is a Holy Spirit. We most definitely do we just don’t believe the spirit is a another separate individual to the owner of the spirit, and it’s disingenuous to assert that we don’t believe in the Holy Spirit at all. It’s as though many of these Pr’s seeks to manipulate their audience to perceive us in a false light. Nonetheless let’s all pray that our church is lead back into the light of truth that we may once again uphold it is did the pioneers.

Desire of Ages page 51.1. "The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the first-born of heaven to save the sinner. This gift was to be acknowledged in every household by the consecration of the first-born son. He was to be devoted to the priesthood as a representative of Christ among men."

We as Seventh-day Adventists, we accept Ellen White as the pen of inspiration, who had the Spirit of prophecy. We are not to put the S.O.P. before the holy Scriptures, but as a backup. Ellen White never stepped outside of the Bible. If you use the Ellen White search engine, you can find very interesting statements on the Only Begotten Son of the Father. Example! "As the first born of heaven, and the Only Begotten of the Father, filled with all the treasures of eternity, He assumed humanity, and impressed upon it the glorious image of the everlasting God." {11LTMS, LT 101, 1896 par. 7; Desire of Ages page 51.1.}

How do we read 1st John 4:9. "In this was manifested the Love of God toward us, because that God sent His Only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him." and again. Galatians 4:4. " But when the fulness of time was come, God set forth His son, made of a woman, born under the law. And again. John 1:14. "And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Was Christ Jesus born of the Father just once, or twice? "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. Does this not tell us that the word was just as much divine as the one He was with? Does not a son always have his father's nature? Is anything imposable with God? For some there is an impossibility for God the Father, and that is to Beget a Son in eternity past, that is infinitely God as His Father. For in Him (Christ) dwelt all the fulness of Godhead (divinity) bodily, for it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell. Col. 2:9: 1:19.

So, what do you see and understand of God's love "for God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son."

to read a verse, or passage and draw out something that the passage does not say, is mystical or conjecture

What? Eternal Generation? Generate means to create/produce. So how in the world does one get *eternally* generated?

At the 6:12 mark Ivor Myers said, "And then by him everything else was created". The "else" makes it seem like the Jehovah's Witness teaching instead of the true teaching of the Son being begotten (not created). I don't know if that is what he had in mind, but I don't like his explanation. I certainly wouldn't word it like that.

The biggest issue I see in the corporate SDA organization (it is not the church) as well as OTG SDA (which has a 1000 different doctrines and very little unity if any) is that none of the above adhere to studying the Bible and SOP according to the directives given in the Bible or SOP themselves. This video addressed Isaiah 28:9-10, which is paramount. And here is a quote from Sister White regarding Miller's Rules of Bible Interpretation. "Those who are engaged in proclaiming the third angel's message are searching the Scriptures upon the same plan that Father Miller adopted. In the little book entitled "Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology," Father Miller gives the following simple but intelligent and important rules for Bible study and interpretation: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible; 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study; 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering; 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence; and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error; 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." The above is a portion of these rules; and in our study of the Bible we shall all do well to heed the principles set forth." RH November 25, 1884, par. 23 - RH November 25, 1884, par. 25 I encourage all Bible students to read the entire article and learn and apply all 14 of Miller's Rules to the study of the Bible & SOP. Unity can't happen until we do.

It's pretty sad. All these different people were describing this so-called Eternal generation of the son, but not one of them gave any Bible verses indicating that what they were saying was actually true. Why do puny humans think they can say whether or not God could have existed without Christ at any point in eternity past? Who are humans to think that they can dictate what God can and cannot do. It's pretty ridiculous! What's in the Bible God says that he has and only begotten son and that he sent that son into the world. I'm just going to take the Bible as it reads. If God says he has a son then that means he actually has a son. A son is never as old as his father. If he's the same age as his father he's not actually a son, and he certainly not and only begotten son.

They believe the trinity but they can’t see it in the Bible!

To use the term 'eternal generation' and or eternally begotten is a dichotomy. It is simply an embezzled misapplication of the word...begotten. For one to claim eternally begotten within the same breath as begotten is contradiction of terms. An indecipherable paradox it is. It is inconceivable for one to be born and yet never have been born. This quandary in merely a sophistry enshrouded in a mystery that is in concert with... the mysterious central doctrine... of the mother church. 'Do not attempt to understand it...Just accept it'. Says the serpent.

I covered on that, and showed him what “eternal generation really means” and he said only put the Bible, or don’t comment which is a paradox because he clearly didn’t mention the Bible when he commented the Nicene Creed.

I think pastor Meyers tries harder than anyone to define what the issue is, and he does a good job at that. As with discussing evolution, the more you talk about it and look into it, you see the truth come to light. I'm thinking that God is going to enlighten Meyers on this and he is going to understand the true sonship of Christ. I just hope his pride won't keep him from embracing it.

His picture example is childish and he uses it to ultimately say those who disagree with him believe a lie, the word he used. I think his illustration applies clearly to him. It reminds me of the masters degrees and even Phds that can't discern the definitions of begotten and created. They keep saying they mean the same thing. Something fifth grade students can readily comprehend.

In Patriarchs and Prophets ch. 1, sister White addresses Christ as God's son numerous times. This is during the period when lucifer is carrying out his rebellion in heaven, before being thrown out and before the seven days of creation.

See how Meyers confuses the issue at 4:45. Was Jesus begotten in eternity past of His Father, and then includes the weird thought of, you believe there is no Holy Spirit also. What that tells me is he is afraid that should he find Christ is begotten of God in eternity past, it would lead to a slippery slope. Next thing you know you would be saying there is no Holy Spirit. By believing that, one ensures they are not going to accept that Christ is begotten of God. However, clearly understanding the definitions we are talking about, the slippery slope dissapears.

This is a really well disciplined detailed critique on this discussion. Christ's sonship is of paramount importance before he is resurrected. Remember, God spoke at his baptism, saying that he was indeed His son. This is what he was able to believe during the forty day fast when satan tempted him while saying, if you are really the son of God. He wasn't tempting with, if you are really going to be the son of God when you are resurrected, as Meyers suggest.

Walter Veith makes a false conclusion that if Christ did come from God his Father, then he is not God. That is a false conclusion. He is God, the creator of all things.

So glad to find this channel.Thanks will definitely follow.🎉🎉

what spirit is that you believe you preach under