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A very desperate manoeuvre.

Thanks Jim. Unfortunately due to the rigors of life Sellick (me) hasn't been able to knock out these review videos as much as I'd love to have. As you can imagine they take quite a bit of time to knock out with not much reward other than these sort of comments so +1 like back to you Jim!

Hey Mistral, unfortunately when we recorded this ep KoM didn't have Beast cav :(

@@DirectMisfire its ok, i still love you

Glad it could help Wade. Look forward to hearing about your progress.

Thanks Heather! See what we can do. Always a bit tricky to balance real life and our hobbies but we're trying our best! Thanks for the feedback always appreciated.

I'm sure ogres have many hearts! thanks for the feedback mate.

You never know what Mantic will be bringing out for the Halflings in the future I guess!

You don't need to play them hordey at all. I play in 3 different army styles. Flying circus with aeronauts/grenadiers. Mixed arms with trolls, tanks and shooting and my current favourite oppressive firepower and speed with lots of wild runners, organ guns, troll gunners with grenadiers as chaff to buy me turns to shoot. Extremely versatile army and never felt the need to buy into the cheap horde side of things which other armies do way better.

The flying circus is so expensive money wise, but it does look so fun. I’m wondering how competitive the army is also. Thanks for the reply.

@Wade Weigle playing with it and against quite a lot I'd say its a perfectly fine balanced army. Very jack of all trades master of none but with the ability to skew if desired. It has lots of synergy and support pieces you can add in that completely change how units work too. One of those armies you don't get bored of quickly as it has multiple builds.

New one coming after CoK23 comes out

@@DirectMisfire this shows how out of the loop I am! When can we expect the next update?

@@TheMikeman11 december/jan timelines :)

Kings of war is a relatively small market in the grand scheme of things I guess David. We are ever slowly growing and the more viewers we can get the more content I’ll create. :) - Sellick

We will be doing an update after the next clash of kings late late this year!

Very true Patrick!

Refresh is on our list shortly after CoK23 drops!

Thanks for the feedback! Definitely keeps us going

Honestly after recording and editing this i'm considering a Halfling army myself!

Hey Wade! Thanks for your feedback. The Undead review is a very old one and before the days of Sellick being on the cast. Viv was incredibly green to kings of war at the time so we forgive him. The undead are on the cards for a refresh review after the clash of kings updates are all locked in so it remains accurate as long as possible! :)

Hey Wade, thanks for your message! But the sounds of a mixed, non spammed army you'll keep your friends. It can be a very strong list but through the clash of kings updates its definitely coming back into the pack (as has abysall dwarves) Let us know how your undead army comes together!

Thanks! the Ogre list is a very powerful one and has quite a few viable builds, low mini counts are definitely viable if you start taking some of the big boys (mammoths, giants etc)

Ooh what sort of ideas?

@@DirectMisfire I had not rated berserkers or hunters high enough in my mind - when a list has siege breakers it's easy to just default to them. I was thinking a 'alpha-ish' ogre force - hunters extra speed and berserkers wild charge combined warrior chariots (maybe in the formation?) and the Big Deal and (shock horror) no Siege breakers, just for something a bit different.

@@stuartterry9702 I anticipate the RC/Mantic will have a look at Seige breakers in the next update or two and level the playing field a touch. As such, looking at hunters/beserkers could be a great option!

haha definitely a bit of fun to burn some time while I wait for our next recording :) Convic or Cancon would be great tournaments to attend for Australia. Dependson your weather you'd like. Convic in Melbourne during June-August gets pretty cold but still good beer drinking weather. January (cancon) in Canberra gets bloody hot; also good beer drinking weather.

Hey Paul, No mistake! Sellick tossed up for many hours on the best way to represent melee and range. As with these two; 'lower is better' So to adhere to the computer game asthetic unit sheet feel, it didn't really work having 2 pips for the best combat unit in the game and 6 pips for the worst. As such we went with a 'representation of power' on these two where: 0 pips = no melee 2 pips = 6+ 4 pips = 5+ 6 pips = 4+ 8 pips = 3+ full 10 pips = 2+ (the best) We do understand that when we say " melee 3+' and 8 pips come up the human brain tries to figure out the puzzle and you're not alone in this feedback. I think after the 2nd or 3rd video and some feedback Sellick revisited the approach; however other representations (doing a growing bar similar to the attacks bar) which is also just a representation of power but simply doesn't have the 'pips'. We decided to just leave it how it is until a better solution is formed. Do you think I (Sellick here) should put a little disclaimer on how to read the pips on each of our new videos?

@@DirectMisfire I understand. It was like a power bar and you want the "more filled" equals better. Like in old versions of Dungeons and Dragons when sometimes lower numbers were better and sometimes higher numbers were better. This caused confusion. I haven't thought about it much. A disclaimer / legend might help. I still think I might be inclined to represent it as the actual number, similar to how height and defense is shown. I will give it some thought. My brain did try to figure out the puzzle but was too busy listening to the analysis simultaneously and didn't make the connection.

@@Falkkos yeah always happy for the constructive feedback! :D

Hey Paul, firstly welcome to Kings of War. Its true there's a few sneaky tactics that are no longer viable with some of the disengage/withdraw move changes in the Errata. I've provided a copy of the current errata (16/5/22) on my google drive; however Mantic will always share a free copy of errata at this address (its just a bit clunky to add to cart, 'buy' it for free to download) but its here for future reference. Current Errata (16/5/22) : drive.google.com/file/d/1tIC21-5MNHyXv5aIvQM7zsYN1CrsAMfq/view?usp=sharing Mantics always current Errata: www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/kings-of-war-third-edition-faq-errata/ Without going back through videos to see exactly which moves have changed; 1) Now with withdraw moves you must go back the full 1" and must not be within 1" of any other enemy unit else you cannot withdraw. 2) You can no longer have a 'advance or at the double' action after a withdraw (previously you could just pivot 90 and move out of the way of a unit. * Note1: individuals can still kinda do this with a individual pivot and move back half movement. 3) the only actions you can do after a withdraw: Charge, Change Facing, Sidestep, Back, or Halt order as long as you always outside of 1" of an emeny unit all of these are viable. Note2: For non square units, this means changing face is pretty much limted to a 180 degree change face as any other degree would get you within 1" of the initial enemy unit. Note 3: Important to note here you can still charge after a withdraw, even if that means getting within 1" of any enemy unit. As long as you tick off the usual charge rules (front arch, see target, can fit) hope this helps mate!

@@DirectMisfire It does! Thank you so much! I missed the Errata. It makes the 90 degree flank charges much harder to pull off. Might eliminate them completely? I would have to do some setup and see how it effects them. Might still be possible if a unit is deep enough and still far enough away. The "non standard 90 degree" charges are certainly now impossible. It would still be possible for unit, particularly a nimble one, to run off and attack something else but probably not as a flank (depending). To be fair the 90 degree flank charges was kind of a "that feels bad" as a new player getting into the game. The "dirty flyer charge" was another "feels bad" kind of maneuvers but can easily get around it by putting individuals in base to base contact. No one has tried to do that to me yet though

@@Falkkos dont forget that you're able to charge after a withdraw still, and you're still able to get within 1" during a charge.

Thanks Vilmore!

Hi Vilmore, welcome! A few of these moves have been impacted by COK22 and Erratas. Most effected was the disengage rule change. Errata link below: www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/kings-of-war-third-edition-faq-errata/ RE: Subs; Not sure! I guess kings of war isn't a huge international game just yet. So the audience base isn't nearly as big as say your AOS, Marvel or 40k type games. We also dont really do clickbait vids/casts. Appreciate your support though!

This pleases me :)

Hey Peetu, Love this question and sorry we didn't go into it for you. We are concious that we've mentioned our views a few times on min/maxing and dont want to be a broken record for our wonderful audience. To concatenate our collective opinion, We have been historically outspoken about our personal preference of not spamming the 'best' units and ignoring the sub optimal options that provide flavor. We believe that by taking 5 or 6 siege breakers (in this example) can detract from the intention of the game and enjoyment of one if not both players involved. Important to note here: is it legal? yes. Is it a strong list for those that prioritise winning? Yes, If we came up against it in a tournament would we be upset? No. We would however probably talk about it on/off air if it wasn't enjoyable. Warrior regiments unlocking, complimented by those amazing hero options is an increasingly strong build as you've mentioned. I think its an incredibly tricky one for the RC (rules peeps) to balance given multiple synergies in the list. On one hand providing options to Ogre players to unlock without large overheads, but also not cheap/effective unlocks for all of those powerful characters. Shaking the predictive 8 ball; I'd assume this balance may be a topic for the Rules Committee's radar in future COK's or Editions. Cheers for the comment/discussion and of course your viewership :)

@@DirectMisfire this answered my question, thanks! :) Maybe thse top-end tournament lists are a topic of their own altogether. If yes, I'm looking forward to that discussion! It is ultimately up to the game designers to try and make the system as universally playable as possible, and iron out the "worst offenders" with internal balance. I feel like the latest CoK was absolutely a huge leap into the right direction considering the design choices - breaking the pattern of the unit design maths, and including specific tools for design like Rampage and Slayer. It seems like the ogres still need some work to be done, but the toolkit is now open for the designers. Maybe even go wild and detract US from hammer units and such to differentiate the roles of units within the army! But I'm sure we'll get there. Hoping the design team will boldly go where... well other games have probably gone, but boldly anyway. Good stuff mates! Keep it up!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks Bork! I did put in a little note/text box with similar information. Alas i agree a troop with horn can get a nice range for defensive play to counter a shooty meta. What region are you from?

Hey Paul, Sellick here; We've had a few 'life' issues catch up with up over the few months. But we're hoping to get back on the army reviews shortly! RE: Updates; to be transparent/open I dont think we'll be able to do that unfortunately. Given there's 28 armies, some of which we haven't covered at all with a yearly update this would be a serious chunk of time for existing content. :( Huw would definitely love to do a Ratkin review ever week however. :)

@@DirectMisfire thanks for the update, Sellick. You guys as well as unplugged radio and counter charge make the long hours of painting and modelling go much faster. Your efforts are greatly appreciated and I look forward to whenever you guys have time to release content. PS - my favourite moment in the show goes back to when Huw was describing how he had a senior moment at the 2019 Masters and charged my unit carrying the Crystal pendant of Retribution with three vampire heroes. Hilarious.

@@paulvaneyk4949 sounds like Huw :)

Hey Vinnie, Sorry mate we've had a few 'life' issues holding us back over the last few months. We're getting back on the train of reviews shortly! Hopefully punch out a few back to back for you all :)

Hey Rooster! We're looking at an army review or two and then a power rankings update!

That’s probably the next video Francisco!