Mark's Muscle Car Garage
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Carburetor Dyno Comparison: Edelbrock VRS 4150 vs Race Demon
A review of carburetor performance between a 750 CFM Edelbrock VRS-4150, and a 750 CFM Race Demon, from dyno runs made on my Ford 351W.
Edelbrock video on the VRS-4150:
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500 HP or bust! Ford 351W build dyno tested
Просмотров 11 тыс.2 месяца назад
I took my recently completed Ford 351W to the engine dyno for tuning and to see how much power it makes. A 750 cfm Edelbrock VRS-4150 carburetor was tested along with a Trick Flow R single plane manifold (TFS-52400114). I also swapped carburetors (750 CFM Race Demon) and intake manifold (Edelbrock Performer RPM Air-Gap PN 7581).
Ford 351W Build Summary, Parts List
Просмотров 13 тыс.3 месяца назад
351 Windsor Parts List: Block - Ford 351W , 4.030 " bore, 357 CID , (E4 block, 1986 cast date) Crank - stock Ford 351W, (3.500" stroke) Cylinder heads - World Products, Windsor Senior, 053040, milled 0.030", 60 cc chamber, CR ~ 10.5:1 Connecting rods - Scat, 25955912 Camshaft - Comp Cams, Xtreme Energy custom solid roller, 242/254 @.050, .609/.622 gross lift Intake manifold - Edelbrock Performe...
Run Stand - Ford 289 A-Code (65 Mustang GT) engine
Просмотров 3,1 тыс.4 месяца назад
Short video of a 289 4bbl (A-code) making a few rips on a run stand.
Amateur Head Porting Results
Просмотров 4,6 тыс.7 месяцев назад
I show you the before and after flow numbers on my small block Ford, World Products Windsor Senior (SR) heads. This was my first time porting cylinder heads. These heads will be going on a 351 Windsor. Hand printed before and after intake flow numbers were taken on a Saenz bench with 4.000 bore. Printout with exhaust numbers were taken on SuperFlow 750, unknown bore. My other videos on these he...
Porting How to -- Polishing cylinder head combustion chambers
Просмотров 7 тыс.7 месяцев назад
This was my first time polishing combustion chambers. The heads are cast iron small block Ford heads made by World Products (Windsor SR heads). I show how I used a carbide burr to take the cast finish off, then followed that up with a sanding disk and buffing wheel. I also show the results of opening the intake ports to match the gasket size (Fel Pro 1262). My other videos on these heads: After...
750 CFM Race Demon Carburetor on a mild Ford 351W - Converting alcohol carb to run on gas
Просмотров 2,5 тыс.10 месяцев назад
750 CFM Race Demon Carburetor on a mild Ford 351W - Converting alcohol carb to run on gas
Ported 351W Performer RPM Airgap Intake - Big Dog's Porting
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.11 месяцев назад
Ported 351W Performer RPM Airgap Intake - Big Dog's Porting
1969 Mustang Mach 1 351W
Просмотров 2 тыс.Год назад
1969 Mustang Mach 1 351W
1969 Ford Mustang 351W exhaust w/ Thrush CVX mufflers
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1969 Ford Mustang 351W exhaust w/ Thrush CVX mufflers
6 speed 1969 Mustang 351W - Tremec Magnum Install Tips PT 2
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6 speed 1969 Mustang 351W - Tremec Magnum Install Tips PT 2
6 speed 1969 Mustang 351W - Tremec Magnum Install Tips PT I
Просмотров 7 тыс.Год назад
6 speed 1969 Mustang 351W - Tremec Magnum Install Tips PT I
Ford / World Products Windsor Sr Head Flow Data
Просмотров 2,2 тыс.Год назад
Ford / World Products Windsor Sr Head Flow Data
Ford 351W Camshaft Specs - Comp Cams Custom Grind
Просмотров 2,6 тыс.Год назад
Ford 351W Camshaft Specs - Comp Cams Custom Grind
Ford 351 Windsor Rebuild - Machine Shop Costs
Просмотров 16 тыс.Год назад
Ford 351 Windsor Rebuild - Machine Shop Costs
Ford 351W Engine Build - Part 1 - Collecting Parts
Просмотров 1,7 тыс.Год назад
Ford 351W Engine Build - Part 1 - Collecting Parts

Комментарии

  • @catchk9
    @catchk9 День назад

    Great video and great information!

  • @edjackson4389
    @edjackson4389 5 дней назад

    Needs 11.5:1 compression for that cam. It would have made atleast 540hp. Even more with bigger headers

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 5 дней назад

      True,. This build started out as a 450 hp goal that kind of morphed into a 500 hp target. Probably would have chosen some different parts if I was shooting for 540,

    • @edjackson4389
      @edjackson4389 5 дней назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage Yeah, I kinda followed the same path. Built a 351W and kept getting gapped by 302s. Went from Edelbrock 60cc chambers to TFS heads with 53cc chambers. Swapped the Edelbrock Rpm manifold for TFS R series manifold. Tossed the 1-5/8 tube headers for 1-7/8". With the same Clay Smith solid cam and rejetted Quick Fuel carb It went from 436hp at 6400 to 544hp at 6900

  • @Oasis-sheepdog-333.
    @Oasis-sheepdog-333. 6 дней назад

    What 2.02 valves did you use and what pistons work were no cut release has to be done

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 6 дней назад

      Pistons are Wiseco part no. PTS501A3. I reused the valves that came with the heads. The heads are 30 years old, so I'm not sure of the valve brand, but I did replace one of them because the valve tip was damaged, and used a Melling V0988 to replace the one valve. It has the same dimensions as the other valves, but the underside of the valve head has a bit different shape.

  • @polishedturdspeedshop
    @polishedturdspeedshop 7 дней назад

    Apples and oranges, you can't compare an annular carb to downleg

  • @approachingtarget.4503
    @approachingtarget.4503 8 дней назад

    Annual boosters mix fuel better and allow more flow.

  • @longhairscorpio3976
    @longhairscorpio3976 8 дней назад

    annular discharge is an advantage especially on the top end have had three (hollley 4010/4011/560 race 2bbl)annular carbs and both top end and cold weather performance was great the 4 bbls didnt like getting warm in the case of that model type the 2 bbl had no issues

  • @willbar1961
    @willbar1961 8 дней назад

    That Edelbrock is slick. I've been out of it so long I haven't ever seen it. Still have only smaller street carbs. 600 and 650 Holly and a 600 Edelbrock but they're for lower power small block V8s. The Edelbrock is much better than the Hollys for me.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 8 дней назад

      Yes, the Edelbrock Performer series carbs are very reliable and perform well for street driving. I've run one on my 69 Mustang for years and never had any problems with it.

    • @willbar1961
      @willbar1961 8 дней назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage Yeah I have the Edelbrock 1406 on a Jeep with a 304 V8, small cam and fenderwell headers. Not high horsepower but good low/mid torque.

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt 10 дней назад

    nice job!

  • @glennbellman1100
    @glennbellman1100 11 дней назад

    I have seen a 392 windsor make 748 horsepower.

  • @robertmenger3230
    @robertmenger3230 15 дней назад

    i built a mild street 351 W it ran fast but had little low end tourqe. i could barely spin the tires. what went wrong?

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 14 дней назад

      Hard to say. I would probably start with you need a lower rear gear (3.50 or higher ratio).

  • @sketchyoperations9181
    @sketchyoperations9181 16 дней назад

    How much did this cost

  • @Cobra427Veight
    @Cobra427Veight 24 дня назад

    These are great heads and reliable good exhaust patterns, I bought mine in 1991 , there going on a 385 ci windsor for my 86 F150 , they have been sanding roll cleaned up and chambers cc balanced and polished .

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 23 дня назад

      Sounds like the 385 should be a good runner. I bought my heads in '93 I think, ... I ran them for about ten years before I pulled them and then dusted them off for my recent build.

  • @corpuschristi591
    @corpuschristi591 25 дней назад

    Far from decent. That’s a 10

  • @user-zy1qd4rs8j
    @user-zy1qd4rs8j Месяц назад

    429 or 351w

  • @Axeman428
    @Axeman428 Месяц назад

    The big one. Thank you.

  • @Axeman428
    @Axeman428 Месяц назад

    I was guessing 480-500. I got close. Didn’t you say the pistons were down in the hole .020? That’s @ least 15-20hp.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      Yes pistons were about .022 below deck on average. I compensated with a thinner head gasket though (.023 " thick), so not too bad. Thanks for watching!

  • @Axeman428
    @Axeman428 Месяц назад

    Mine is a 383 with Eagle rods and crank, diamond pistons @12.57:1. Cam is a 630 with split duration 258/263@ .050 solid roller in an early block fitted with billet 4bolt mains. On E85 it made 726@8200. In my little maverick it makes for good fun. I have had no reliability issues in two years of driving on the streets mostly as the drag strip is not like it was when I started back in the late 1960s when you ran off the weight and advertised horsepower , no bracket bullshit. A good tuner/driver combination was hard to beat when it wasn’t a bunch of electronics and real men drove stickshifts. Hell they were almost all sticks back then, at least the fast ones were.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      Wow, that's a really good piece you've got there. What do have it in? Nevermind, Maverick I see. That's a lot of motor for a Maverick.

  • @msk3905
    @msk3905 Месяц назад

    Torque struggles below 4000rpm…too much cam.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      Well, the carb used on the first 3 runs didn't perform as well which might be what you are referring to. For the other carb, if you look at the torque/hp curves at the end of the video, from 3500 to 4000 torque was pretty flat at 400 lb-ft for the single plane and about 425lb-ft for the dual plane not really struggling in my opinion. There might be some low numbers when he engages the dyno around 3500 rpm or so, as it loads the engine down which aren't really representative numbers.

    • @msk3905
      @msk3905 Месяц назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage Last sbf I built was 331ci that made 460 ft lbs 3800rpm had a much smoother torque curve with HP peaking at 480ish at 6200rpm. 10.5:1 cr, TW out of box 170 heads, etc. Custom cam 229/235, 111 LSA on 109ICL.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      @@msk3905 Those are pretty good numbers. I'm sure I could have made more low end torque with less cam duration and less overlap, but the cam does what I wanted it to do which is make peak power around 6500 RPM and pull to 7000 (kind of looks like Coyote power curve). I don't think I'll be missing the lost torque below 4k but we'll see. There is a Richard Holdner 347 vs 351 comparison video where he made 480 ish hp with both motors with a little less cam and better heads than I'm using... so I guess my point is dyno numbers on the internet should all come with a +/- 10% accuracy disclaimer.

    • @msk3905
      @msk3905 Месяц назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage rpm and vibration (they kind of go hand in hand) kill motors so I guess I don't understand the want for a 7000rpm peak when you can make the same or more with a lower peak? Sorry my engineer brain cannot comprehend things like this but I get it its what you wanted. I built my engine mainly for torque rather than HP but in hindsight probably shouldn't have as 1st gear was useless (in my foxbody), 2nd I was breaking tires loose once I got some rpms but mashing the gas when cruising was a blast especially in 3rd when I had traction!

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      ​@@msk3905 I think I indicated I wanted it to peak at 6500. I built it with a redline of 7000 in mind ... so it peaked at 500 hp at 6500 or maybe 6600 and held 500 hp to 7000,. In hindsight, seeing it carry power the way it does I wished I'd have built the bottom end to rev to 7500. I wouldn't be making more power if torque peaked at a lower rpm... peak torque would be about the same just at a lower rpm. Horsepower being a function of torque x rpm, it would make less hp if torque peaked at a lower rpm. 400 lb-ft torque from 3500 to 6500 is pretty solid regardless of where it peaks. I think Foxbody stock T5 is something like 3.3:1 first gear which is ok for stock 5.0 power but too much for any significant power mods.

  • @socleanmx6
    @socleanmx6 Месяц назад

    My guess is a around 515/540 torque 6300 rpm...... i guessed this as he has enough cam and his heads flow 300+ cfm.

  • @christophergriffin8344
    @christophergriffin8344 Месяц назад

    Bigger carburetor along with more total timing advance and rippem's certainly would've net you more powa. Race fuel wouldn't hurt either. Solid roller sounded like it was wanting to go and he chopped throttle.

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      All true. I underestimated how it would carry past 7000 rpm. ARP 8740 rod bolts were only rated to 6800 rpm, so I didn't want to push it. ... I should have used ARP 2000 bolts.

  • @bucksmkr12ga
    @bucksmkr12ga Месяц назад

    I used the ARP head stud kit with my SR's, worked great.

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt Месяц назад

    Got to 500hp! Nice job!

  • @eddiefe428
    @eddiefe428 Месяц назад

    I'll take the 351

  • @bigdogsportingtonyb2833
    @bigdogsportingtonyb2833 Месяц назад

    Great results! I think the motor would have liked a little more carb cfm especially with the Dual Plane up top. Other that that they both will run great at the track. One would mph well and the dual plane would ET well because of its broader torque curve. Also playing with some carb spacers on the Dual Plane would clean up the signal up top.

  • @TheRockStarGenius
    @TheRockStarGenius Месяц назад

    My guess: 505HP/440FT/LBS TQ at the crank Your build looks nice!

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      Thanks! That's pretty close. Watch the dyno video if you haven't already.

  • @bigdogsportingtonyb2833
    @bigdogsportingtonyb2833 Месяц назад

    This looks fantastic!! It's really going to mark some power!! Thanks for giving us an opportunity to be a part of this build! Should make over 500hp easily lol

  • @lollipop84858
    @lollipop84858 Месяц назад

    Shame its not a sbc. Wouldnt have to 7000rpm it for 500hp

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      Have a hard time making 500 hp with iron heads and pump gas on a SBC

  • @sawyerbarnes7439
    @sawyerbarnes7439 Месяц назад

    Whats your compression ratio? Clean shot is awesome

  • @michaelbyrnes7944
    @michaelbyrnes7944 2 месяца назад

    Nothing beats a Windsor maybe LS1 heads yeah hell yes !!

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      Well I did some work on the heads and got them up to 314 cfm on the intake which is about the same as a what stock LS3 heads flow peak, so they do alright. Not sure about the LS1, but probably not as good as LS3 or LS7.

  • @michaelbyrnes7944
    @michaelbyrnes7944 2 месяца назад

    Yeah cool do one with LS1 chev heads on it get it to breathe

  • @user-yo3sz8xe2s
    @user-yo3sz8xe2s 2 месяца назад

    Nice - it's got some good parts in it to make that much power. Reving it pretty good though

  • @CatKen-gq1ec
    @CatKen-gq1ec 2 месяца назад

    I'm in my 60s and I've been a Ford guy in my whole life if I had a couple extra bucks for every time I painted up a set of blue valve cover gaskets for a 2890 independently Rich today never thought of it that way

  • @of_lion22
    @of_lion22 2 месяца назад

    Cool to see someone showing what it takes to convert from Alcohol to Gas. If you wanted to try to maintain the Alcohol metering blocks, you could also run 64-later Autolite 2100/4100 Jets. They're the correct 5/16-32 thread pitch for the Alcohol jets. But come in gas sizes. I've test fit the alcohol jets in my Autolite 2100. And they thread/seat just fine.

  • @jerryburks2755
    @jerryburks2755 2 месяца назад

    is it 351or has it been stroked

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      Stock crank. Bored .030 so it is 357 cubic inches

    • @jerryburks2755
      @jerryburks2755 2 месяца назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage that power is great for a 357 I have a 398w was wondering what kind of power I make my guess on mine was around 500hp I don't have after market heads I have GT40 heads iron heads my only set back

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      @@jerryburks2755 I'm not sure but would guess somewhere between 400 and 450 even with the extra displacement, and depending on the other components (camshaft, intake manifold, compression ratio). The GT-40 heads flow better than other factory small block heads but they are still not great compared to aftermarket heads. Richard Holdner has done some videos with GT40 heads and dyno testing. He probably has a video where he tested a stroked 351 with GT-40 heads.

    • @jerryburks2755
      @jerryburks2755 2 месяца назад

      @@MarksMuscleCarGarage 10.5 compression hydraulic flat tappet 292d 518 lift runs real good for a classic street car

  • @AmericanThunder
    @AmericanThunder 2 месяца назад

    289.

  • @jeromebreeding3302
    @jeromebreeding3302 2 месяца назад

    Good to see it still has it's factory Ford 4100 4bbl.carb.

  • @arkhsm
    @arkhsm 2 месяца назад

    Nice, looks like a 351 horse motor from the outside !!

  • @davea5113
    @davea5113 2 месяца назад

    Looks and sounds like a BEAST!

  • @Imnotyourdoormat
    @Imnotyourdoormat 2 месяца назад

    I LOVE a painted Motor. There's Chrome. There's Anodized. There's Polished Aluminum.... But I just LOVE a painted Motor. They look strong!!!

  • @arturozarate1752
    @arturozarate1752 2 месяца назад

    Good build. The Windsor Sr. is a good head when ported well, and it looks like you got that nailed.

  • @dakotastimeout2827
    @dakotastimeout2827 2 месяца назад

    Looks like a great performing engine! Great video as well.

  • @justinschmidt9180
    @justinschmidt9180 2 месяца назад

    That things runs great. Have you thought about tightening up the lsa on the cam

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      Good question, but I think what you are asking is, Do I think a tighter LSA would make more power? ... A 107 LSA would probably give me another 20 lb-ft or so below 5000 rpm., but I'm pretty happy with it as is and don't feel like swapping cams at this point. Besides a tighter LSA would have less vacuum and worse idle than it already has...would have to idle it up to probably 1500 rpm with a 107 LSA cam and this much overlap.

  • @billfioretti3013
    @billfioretti3013 2 месяца назад

    Always more power available with tune and swapped components, etc. It's all about THE COMBINATION. Good job, nonetheless!

  • @brianwenzel8791
    @brianwenzel8791 2 месяца назад

    Nice engine combo. I would've tried more timing, i believe the sweet spot with these heads will be around 36-38° That could've been an extra 20-25hp albeit, aka, I'll bet.🤞🏻 I'm confused why the timing wasn't played with? Imo, that is a must have for max efficiency, even more so than jetting. I believe in timing first, jetting second. Still, a broad power band & a great sbf I would Love to own.❤ Kudos.👍🇺🇸💪

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      Yes, time for torque, jet for horsepower. I was thinking 34 or 35 would be the best but my machinist wanted to keep it safe at a 33. I'm sure I could have pushed it if I wanted. Think he didn't want to risk detonation, especially with cast iron head. First time on a dyno for me and I wasn't trying to wring out every bit, it's more street/strip than pure drag race engine, so I'm not really concerned about ET. If I wasn't trying to test two carbs and two manifolds, I would probably have tried to dial it in a little better including running another degree or two of timing.

    • @eddiefe428
      @eddiefe428 Месяц назад

      ​@@MarksMuscleCarGaragenice running engine, what size valves in heads,nice head when ported,what do they flow

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage Месяц назад

      ​@@eddiefe428 Thanks. I made some incremental improvements on the heads and a made few videos on them. Peak flow was 314 cfm intake/207 exhaust. Valves are 2.02/1.60. Exhaust could use some more work, and I could go bigger on intake valves. Future upgrades maybe...

  • @crazyhorseracing6130
    @crazyhorseracing6130 2 месяца назад

    Edelbrock made more power than a Demon?? WOW!!

    • @MarksMuscleCarGarage
      @MarksMuscleCarGarage 2 месяца назад

      Edelbrock does have annular boosters... Demon just had standard downleg boosters, although the race Demon boosters are changeable so I could have swapped in annular boosters in it if I had them

  • @mattphil7085
    @mattphil7085 2 месяца назад

    Nice work! Thanks for the info

  • @edwarddavis966
    @edwarddavis966 2 месяца назад

    The 351 from the earlier years had a lot more compression than the latter one's

  • @Scubasteve22
    @Scubasteve22 2 месяца назад

    Looks like a pretty nice job! We r building a .040 351 with flat tops and a clay smith custom hyd roller cam going in a bronco. Thanks for sharing

  • @BrandonKnight-il9xs
    @BrandonKnight-il9xs 2 месяца назад

    Id love to know what mine has

  • @AmericanThunder
    @AmericanThunder 2 месяца назад

    I ran that same distributor many many years ago, it was invincible and dead on with timing. It was a pain to do the points, but worked great regardless.