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I started getting into fighting games in the pandemic so my first offline event was revo last year, and going there made me realise how much I'd been missing out on. Been trying to go to a lot more events since and damn its so much more motivating to have that offline competition (one day I *will* beat minion's sieg dammit). Still feel a little awkward trying to ask for games at bigger events though..

No cut-away to the handsome face in this vid? :( I am le sad.

Absolutely great video man! It was awesome meeting you and getting interviewed! Keep it up!!! (Blabbo btw😂)

ALL are just reskinned clones of SF2. Each "update" adds or removes a tiny variation to make it appear to be more than just a reskinned clone. "Fighting games" are like Pringles & Pop-Tarts. No matter what "flavor" they're being passed off as, they're all the same reheated turds. No originality whatsoever. Same set-up. It IS the same game. SF2 reskinned for the zillionith time.

Yeah, i agree with this video (going to tournaments and trying to do casuals and stuff) but I also agree with asking your opponents on what you do wrong, i shouldve at the tournament where i fought against you Mougli (i was the heihachi on tekken). Good video though.

My thoughts about/what I learned from this: Learning to take the L is a skill (learning about our own ego). Acknowledge that sometimes we have a bad day/prevent irl burnout with the games we like; take a break.

Thanks i will post this in every single one of my FGC discords

at the freeplay setups, if you're wanting a set, dont be afraid to ask for next ; we paid waay to much good money to not ask.

Yo you really got the vibe of what going to a big event like that is actually like. Arcade/freeplay is really one of the best parts. Go talk to the artists and buy something if you like it. Seeing top 8 of your favorite game is cool, but getting to know folks is cooler imo

God DAMN that's a sexy man right there. Liked and subscribed.

You don't like to do talking head shots but you have such a pretty room set-up for it! Love the green light, very tasteful

I love social events and I consider myself very social but I hate traveling to places almost more than anything... I will do my best, Moug^^ there has to be an fg event somewhere close to me perhaps maybe

This is such a nice video, shoutout to Guilewinquote for linking to it. I have a lot of anxiety abiut a large scale event like EVO, in fact, Im old enough to have been to a mall arcade, except I never did because I was just too nervous to head in. It remains a regret of mine, and I think attending a local would help remedy that feeling.

As someone who really wants to be able to share fighting games with someone else and start building connections (and who has attended a monthly local a few times), finding that FIRST friend to play with is so much bigger of a wall than anything else. As you say, having someone to go with would be incredible and I make friends so slowly and only really effectively in a 1-on-1 context. Separately, there's this very particular anxiety I get at locals? Where I can't feel comfortable striking up a personal conversation out of anxiety over the... arbitrariness of it? The idea that it's forced, that I should need a reason to interact with THIS person (vs everyone else also in the room), or else it'll feel fake or shallow like talking with someone at a bus stop.

Grat video, Mougli. I'm not shy at all, but I certainly are not good with big crowds, so whenever I go to a convention, is more like a solo experience. I also still don't know personaly anyone that will play fighting games with me. A couple of friends are vaguely interested, but retreat whenever I put the controllers in the table. However, I'm going to EVO Nice with my wife next year anyway. I've never been in the old continent, and Las Vegas is too dry and hot for my survival. I'll try winning just a couple games at least. Nothing wrong with being a pot moster. Wish me luck!

Amazing video man, I'm also very introverted and want to make friends in the fgc

The most awkward moment of walking behind 2 people boxing at a setup and you don't want to ask to get in but also hope they notice you but also have a Xbox controller and the setup is Playstation and you don't want to bother the TOs for an adapter and then you finally get in and get wrecked by a guy who to seeks like an EVO champion and you start missing losing in floor 7 of Strive

I think I've been in the weeds too long before the online rollback era that have realized just how different the landscape is nowadays and how you don't have to really engage with the FGC irl to really be part of the FGC, so I think this will hit home for a lot of people. If you're able, go out and play some games with people, I promise you'll appreciate the genre even more!

This is great, thank you. I am considering going to Evo but, quite frankly, I feel intimidated 😅 I am imagining only going for a day to buy an arcade stick and maybe say hi rooflemonger lol 😀 P.S: If I see you, I promise to say hi.

Love the very down to earth nature of this video a lot! Hope to be able to hang out with you sometime again soon 🙏🙏

At 9:43 mark I can confirm something like that happened. I ended up playing on the free set ups in UNI 2 at VSF and after messing on the training mode for a bit some people came up saying how they were interested in the game but weren't sure if it was for them, spent the next half hour just playing with them and explaining the game with it ending them becoming new fans of the game genuinly one of the many highlights I had at this event.

fighting games are terrible. I've already given up and this video didn't help

Fighting games sucks

8:12 Even if you're being sarcastic, I agree with that. If you need those seconds back, do something else asap.

one thing of fighting games is like, when learning you can get caught in only actually knowing the special attacks. since they show up and have names and have clear purposes on what they do and what are they for but then you get 100 moves that vaguely exist that you're not told anything about and... honestly? I think fighting games tend to have too many normals.

Fighting games bsically need good single player modes that actually teach you. Soul Calibur with its Mission Mode did it pretty well I think. Having certain matchups and rules to encourage and show different techniques at first. It also gives you an incentive. In one stage you get attacked by a horde of enemies with very low HP so you learn about keeping your distance. In another your health automaticaly goes down but your opponents are slow so you learn about rushdown. It has you pick locked choices of chracters to see the various gameplay implications. Honestly, even the Subspace Emissary was good. It had you use your movement and attacks in a whole variety of contexts so you learn about how to control the game

I don't dislike fighting games I just believe in that whole character loyalty thing. Pick up the character(Dizzy in Strive) Learn one character not learn 3 to 5 and not treat like a damn day job, people like Ushimo Gobou and Leffen LK take fgs way too serious and make money off it. It's quite discouraging. As cool to look at from a outsider role, sucks to watch high-level gameplay of the character that you were playing or that you want to play and then feel like you got to have a 100,000 hours be lvl 40,000 like Fab to feel like I actually have a chance when I jump into a match with an opponent but I guess that's all part of the learning process. No matter how much you know about a character you got to experience it through an actual match with an actual player. That is how you can how you improve because fighting AI can only help u improve so much. Still it hurts my ego to lose or feel helpless, that is still my issue in terms of fg(ggst) want to overcome it before Dizzy drops

There's no such thing as a low damage fighting game. Since fighting games have this aspect called the "Timer" it means that you can be in a position where there's 15-20 seconds on the Timer but with only 10% health vs your opponents 90% health. The only way to balance this scenario is high damage. You'll have to come up with better examples of "Low Damage" because in my opinion that's just a made up game that doesn't exist. If it is "Low Damage" then it's not even about the game anymore but instead the individual character just being bad in his environment. Twelve is "Low Damage" because he's just a straight up objectively poorly designed character. "Low Damage" is straight up bad for fighting games. That's why Zoners keep getting nerfed every single game. If you look at fighting games without the chronological history in mind you'll quickly lose sight at what devs are trying to accomplish. One of the first hurdles they wanted to discourage was "Stalling the game" which was usually by Zoning them with a low damage fireball. Nowadays a zoner can combo from anywhere on screen but has to be a lot more committal then older generations of fighters. So they did two things. They buffed Zoners damage overall to speed up matches and they made their zoning patterns a little more intuitive to understand like more unique animations to showcase where he's attacking like a teleporting fireball or a groundwave. Devs quickly discovered low damage is just unhealthy for fighting games as a whole.

What video recording settings are you using for your videos in OBS?

I haven't touched Granblue since I've finished the Pass, I am too focused on playing other completely different games and genres right now. That game scratches my brain more. I can't see self improvement a reason to continue or trying to play every time I can. I need goals like in game unlocks or smth like that. I may still try Ranked as much as I can but right now fighting games aren't my priority.............. I don't feel like I'm improving even with effort. When they tell me "watch replays" I still don't get what I did wrong anyway............

May you add the list of tracks used in your video please? What a great selection!

Great video, though I must admit as someone who is also knee-deep but maybe not that "impressive" or "cracked" of a player, I really like your points here. I especially like the point of finding the right game for you, as I think that's a really big key for "getting" a genre *if* that's your goal. I haven't gotten into Strive b/c the cel-shaded look isn't my vibe and none of the characters really jump out to me. I tried to play Granblue, but imo it felt like it's sitting between too much of a middle ground between a more grounded, footsies fighter and an anime fighter, and despite me liking games that are more firmly in both camps (SF6 and Under Night respectively), I'd rather just play those games instead. To me, that's fine, b/c I've found games I truly love and I can respect those games that just aren't for me but are well-beloved by others (both FG and non FG). At the end of the day, people won't like certain things and we can't force them to like it, but I like that you took the time to dig a bit deeper into those common reasoning some level-headed explanations. I'd also add that some people like fighting games to different levels. I personally have friends I play FGs with, but they're not into the competitive grind as much as I am, and that's fine. Overall, really liked your video. Keep up the great work.

Fighting games are great! Just almost all of them suck. Most aren't even fighting games anymore either but more like puzzle and rhythm games. They lost the spirit of fighting years ago when they went the way of why chess is bad. In where it's all about opening theory, frame data, tods, and memorizing as many combo extenders as possible. It ceases to be a game and just rote. I think the only fighting game still keeping the right spirit is smash bros but I haven't played since brawl. Players are dumb and lazy yes, and most of their gaming options suck. Tekken, SF, anime fighters, all are going the way of a the MvC singularity.

I have no issue acknowledging I'm bad so it really irks me getting hit with " your upset cause you have no one else to blame " no the issue is I do blame myself progress is minimal and it's super disheartening getting wrecked by someone with 167,392 prowess and then getting wrecked by someone with 100 prowess, also this community is toxic and unhelpful.

Fighting games would be way better if you could play WITH your friends instead of being forced to play AGAINST them

think the fgs have 5 main problems that if fixed can make everyone happy: 1: Hiding important information This is a problem because fgs have way too much going offscreen. A basic fg will show you only the combo, counter, recovery and one or two system mechanics. (Sf only shows when the combo ends and Tekken doesnt even show counters) When important stuff like incorrect block, punish, chance to escape, plus or minus have 0 way to know if you dont read it somewhere (because even the own game wont tell you). How to fix: simply make like Dual Souls (goated game) and show it 2: Bad movement Walking is kinda sluggish, jump is unsetting and poor explored. Crouch doenst let evade any move. Also in some games you cant even air block! Is kinda hard to explain that for someone who doesnt play fgs. How to fix: Honestely i dont have many ideas, but making air block a standard, allow crouching low profile more standing moves, allow to change your jump direction more like a platformer would be a good start. 3: Confusing animations A lot of moves make no sense. Like a kick that hit your feet hits mid (looking at you Valentine) , and the most overheading thing hitting mid too (looking at you Chipp and Sol from ggac). Not only that, but a Anti Air uppercut, a crouching punch that would be reasonable hitting mid hits low for no reason (looking at every under Night character). Combined with the problems above and below kinda kills the quality. How to fix: Simply make them making sense. And if its too broken make it a littler weaker too. 4: Unbalance between high/low blocking Ok, having 2 types of blocking is kinda bad by itself, but the advantages of one ridiculously outweigh the other. If you stand block you can protect yourself of moves that hit your head a torso but leaves your legs unprotected, and if you crouch block you can protect your torso and legs at the cost of having your head exposed. This sounds balanced on paper, but there are much more low moves than high moves, and most of them dont hit crouching characters. Well, they cant block an air attack so just need to jump and hit them, right? No, because the moment you leave the floor you cant do nothing untill you reach a range that will make every move miss. On top of that lows can be 2 frames while the fastest overhead is 18 frames (makes a huge difference), meaning that you cant punish them safely even if youre plus. A the end this makes the genre very annoying and the pros will take a giant advantage of the begginers because most of them block high. How to fix: Might seem crazy, but i suggest 1 lows should be as fast as an overhead. 2 you should be able to do air attacks faster 5: Punishment for anything You die because you moved foward instead of blocking, then you die because you blocked but got punished. So you jump and die because of that, then attack with a very safe move but you die because of that too. How to fix: I have no idea, honestly 😔

A year late to this video but my 2-cents Fighting games are vague af when it comes to learning any kind of information. Even when i was brand new to league, there are lots of subtle design choices that make learning easier. Like, if someone has a spell shield (a shield that ignores the next spell that hits them), not only do they have a blue/purple shield on their character but the health bar itself will have a fancy purple border design on it. Even moreso: once you trigger the spell shield the game will display the message "spell immune" over their character. After seeing it enough times, and seeing your spells not hit their mark, it only takes a couple of repetition before you start recognizing it. Having 2 different visual Ques and text that blatantly spells out what happens might be a bit overkill to some, but it makes teaching new players about this mechanic super easy. I didnt even have to really mention this mechanic when i introduced friends to league, its something they naturally learned about as we went on and id like to thing it was because so many mechanics are blatantly called out in the game like that, that it makes learning league surprisingly easy compared to even something as simple as street fighter. Fighting games are the exact total opposite of this, youre lucky if a mechanic is even mentioned in the tutorial. Like, ive played a crapton of fighting games starting from tekken 4 on the playstation to bb, sf4,5,6, mvc3, skullgirls. And i only just recently, like not even a couple months ago, learned that overheads....exist? Like as a mechanic in fighting games. I thought there was only highs and lows, id never even heard of the term "overhead". I never knew i could be hit while im crouch blocking, so when it happened to me, i was just confused. Did the game glitch? Is that attack just unblockable? Whats going on? Do you know how i learned about it? I played granblue versus rising. In that game, whenever you tried blocking but were hit by an overhead the game displays a thought bubble over your character with two "!!" icons. I noticed that anytime i thought i got hit by weird attacks, that that symbol would pop up. After googling what it meant, i learned it was called an overhead attack and i learned the rest from there. Which is crazy to me, that through ALL the tutorials ive played over the years, i have never ever in my life seen this mechanic mentioned even once. I flat out had no idea it was a thing because for some reason, it wasnt important enough to mention or bring attention to apparently. It feels like every fighting game just assumes you have years of knowledge already so it keeps them in the background and tries not to mention them. Even more simple stuff suffer from this. Like 360 inputs, ive never been able to pull one off, i was so confused as to why. It tells me to spin the stick and im spinning it, yet it never comes out. Why? Well, the game doesnt tell you that, doing a neutral 360 input is insanely hard and only recommended for experts. Youre meant to first use an attack, then while the animation is keeping you on the floor, you do the 360 input so that as soon as its over, you do the command grab. How would you know that? The command menu sure as hell doesnt mention this anywhere. Once again, you're just supposed to know that. And its the only genre i feel that does something like that consistently. How come after i blocked the enemies attack, they managed to hit me first after i tried to retaliate? Because they were safe on block, but good luck knowing what that is. Tutorials dont mention it, and the training mode, while it does display frame data, doesnt explain what frame data...is. You cant really expect a casual player to know frame data of all things, especially when no other game in any genre ever made, makes knowing frame data a requirement for basic play. All games have frame data, but only fighting games rely on them for combos and even stuff like frame traps, etc. Thats where all the perceived difficulty comes from. Its fairly common to play fighting games, get destroyed, and have no idea why. Because the games themselves are horrid at teaching you what the rules are. Hell, if granblue didnt have text popups on the side of the screen telling me my move is invulnerable, i would have never figured that out on my own. Good chance i would have quit playing before i ever discovered that. Having better tutorials, while helpful, wouldnt be the end-all solution to this either. Most tutorials are boring, and not many people wanna do fighting game tutorials in particular because they often are too overwhelming. Undernight in birth has a decent tutorial but after seeing it have like 30+ tutorial levels you have to go through, i wouldnt blame new players for not doing it. Instead, teach the game rules through the actual game. Have more text popups, use universal colors for certain types of moves, add more icons etc. Dont be scared of giving too much info, its better than none at all.

I've tried several times to get into fighting games, even at the time of writing I just came out of trying one, but damn, the games are still the same: wanna learn how to play? here's not a tutorial, but a whole instruction manual the size of Wikipedia to even begin trying to fight the AI, how am I supposed to remember such a large combination of buttons? A combination that is so big even without taking combos, special moves or all that meta stuff of every genre, just as an entry point. Which is why button mashing exists, some people in the fighting game community seems to be victims of the curse of knowledge. I mean, sure, I don't mind taking the time to get good (alright, I admit, I do care a little bit, I have stuff to do) but every time I try it does feel like you can't approach fighting games as a casual player, which I honestly am. I feel that the genre hasn't learned the design lessons that other games already had about tutorials, I'm guessing this is because of the player base, they're already good at other games or they don't mind making X or Y fighting game a full time job and the developers know this, so they just make games that aim at them, not at newcomers. I mean, sure, real time strategy games have skills that can only be transferable to other real time strategy games, but when you play one and have no idea about the genre, the game takes you through a campaign in which they teach you everything: they only give you a small set of skills to use at the beginning, if you lose or win you know why, at the next level they give hand you another thing you can use and so on, all while giving you a story which helps you remember everything. In fighting games you're just being thrown into a fight, hopefully remembering how to jump and kick against someone that has a way wider set of skills and they happen so fast that, unless you are already familiar with the genre, usually you're not going to have an idea of why did you lose or how could you have done better. And then you try again and it's against a whole different character with a whole different set of moves handled by a player with a whole different experience, how are new (casual) players supposed to learn what both matches had in common? I don't mind losing over and over, but I want to get better every time, each fight being a learning experience, getting progressively better, not being handed the whole lord of the rings trilogy books and expect to remember everything. So yeah, if a fighting game with an actually decent campaign with a portion of it being a tutorial pops out, I and many other casual gamers will probably gladly enter the genre.

My friend spread my grey matter across the pavement for 50 hours, and now I'm decent at Street Fighter.

You should give up on fighting games whenever you get tired of losing a bunch and not having fun with it, especially if you have a job and you want to get off work and come back and chill fighting games are really not it, people who have a lot of time on their hands can afford to play games like that but for someone like me nah I rather go play a mmo single player content basically, fighting games are cool though but they stress me out too much and I hate losing so even if I learned something I still lose and it makes me feel stupid so I just quit it

one reason i've found fighting games to be daunting to get into is that most of the mainstream ones are established franchises, with many years behind them, and thus many years of knowledge about how the game is played. this isn't unique to fighting games, i recently tried getting back into league of legends after a decade and i got the same feeling.