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so you would rather have a larger undead army? what could they have done lmao

If my superiors were having a historic conversation I'd drop everything too to listen

Man I am so dead

Such a long post yet so much nonsense. Now I'm here to destroy every single one of your points. a. He immediately seizes on a single solution without ever considering any alternative possibilities or even asking anyone else for advice *Counter-argument: There's no time for him to do so because it's too late. He witnessed it firsthand the events of Hearthglen which preceded this event. At Hearthglen, he saw that when the grain been consumed, there's no hope left for the people that consumed as he himself said it here 0:27 that it's too late but of course you missed that while writing your comment dont you? b. He literally fires his PALADIN. You know the holy warrior SPECIALIZED IN FIGHTING UNDEAD *Counter-argument: Because that idiot of a paladin refused to do what he asked him to do even though this idiot of a paladin himself was there too during the events of Hearthglen. He saw what happened at Heartglen and decided that it's fine. It's okay to let the people turns into the undead and adding their numbers to the ranks. It's okay. This is fine. Nothing serious LOL. Whatever happened to Andorhal and Hearthglen wasnt enough to open his eyes that The Scourge are a very dangerous threat. Even more dangerous than The Old Horde during the First and Second War. So in other words, he, his paladin orders and the entire kingdom of Lordaeron didnt take The Scourge seriously unlike Arthas who knows how dangerous The Scourge can be c. The guy that would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO HAVE WITH YOU WHEN FIGHTIN UNDEAD, DEMONS, and a PLAGUE THAT TURNS PEOPLE INTO UNDEAD? *Counter-argument: What's the point? Uther refused Arthas' command so he refused to fight. What's the point of all the things you mentioned when he wont even fight to begin with? d. He then alienates the MAGE PRODIGY who is his literal closes ally. The person that would be the most useful in figuring out the GODDAMNED MAGIC DISEASE that is ravaging trough the streets *Counter-argument: Jaina even more than Uther had been with Arthas longer during this Scourge thing. She was there with him even in Andorhal YET she cant figure out anything about The Scourge because it's such a new thing that havent been seen or studied before by anyone in the The Eastern Kingdoms. This is proven when Antonidas (who was wiser than Jaina on that time) sent Jaina for the mission with Arthas to investigate a NEW THREAT (as perceived by Antonidas himself) that been ravaging the lands. So, it's a new thing that's such an alien concept to the mages of Eastern Kingdoms. And Jaina FAILED to figure out anything IMPORTANT about the Scourge during her time with Arthas at Andorhal and Heartglen so what's use of her to Arthas during the short times at Stratholme. AND REMEMBER! Arthas didnt ALIENATE Jaina BUT Jaina CHOSE TO LEAVE HIM 1:41 e. He then proceeds to completely IGNORE THE GODDAMN FUCKING DEMON in order to deal with the real threat: Low level, barely armed undead zombies and skeletons, and poisoned civilians *Counter-argument: This where I started to wonder whether you even thinking clearly before making this comment. If Arthas didnt do what you said he did, then the numbers of the undead will increase with the turning of the people of Stratholme (because of the plague). Mal'Ganis and The Scourge got the number advantages here. So if Arthas decided to go after Mal'Ganis face-to-face instead of stopping the plagued civilians from turning into the undead, Mal'Ganis will surely win because of the number advantages. Plus, Arthas would surely lost if he decided to fight Mal'Ganis face-to-face because Arthas at this time is still young and not strong enough. He only able to defeat Mal'Ganis at Northrend only after acquiring the Frostmourne f. They can't imagine him suggesting the possibility of identifying the non sick people and evacuating them before killing everybody *Counter-argument: There's not enough time for that as Arthas himself witnessed it at Hearthglen that whoever ate the grain, the turning into the undead will happen quickly. Arthas himself said this 0:31-0:36 but of course you missed it again just like the previous one g. If Arthas had asked for advice they could have figured out alternatives or at least actually considered alternatives before leaping on mass murder as the only real solution *Counter-argument: Arthas knows about the Scourge more than anyone else at this point SO WHY BOTHER ASKING ADVICE FROM OTHERS WHEN THEY KNOW LESS ABOUT IT COMPARED TO HIM as been proven by what Uther said when he was informed about the plague 0:37-0:47 just to show how clueless everyone else other than Arthas about the plague h. Arthas did nothing right at Stratholme *Counter-argument: Whether Arthas did nothing wrong or right is up for debate to this day BUT ONE THING FOR SURE. All your points about this event are nonsense and idiotic so lets just say that YOU DID EVERYTHING WRONG TO CLAIM THAT ARTHAS DID NOTHING RIGHT. Lol. So maybe next time think first before you decide to write something so long yet not much senses

@abitdodgy2844 Nowhere in WC3 is it said that the undead can spread the plague. It is strictly shown as spreading through enchanted objects or devices built to handle it (plague cauldrons). More importantly all of the actual Zombies need to be raised through Necromancy whether it's Ner'zhul's magic or a Dreadlord's or a nameless Necromancer. Simply getting bitten by a Ghoul won't turn you nor would that same Ghoul killing you. That all means that in Stratholme the undead there would just be roaming around and eating/killing but no one would turn unless they actually are the plagued grain. The Scourge had no need for Stratholme anymore and culling it did not impede them at all in a notable way and Arthas did nothing to prevent the corpses from being raised (it was citizens doing the burnings of corpses not Arthas' troops) also the Scourge can use undead like Banshees. Stratholme strictly was Arthas' application to be Ner'zhul's new body.

@@abitdodgy2844 Omfg i respect the hell out of this reply, I had a fun time reading it and thank you.

@@galten7361 The point is all of them gonna get turn anyway because Mal'Ganis was there to turn everyone that doesn't affected by the plague grain as seen in The Culling in WC3 Except the scourge need Stratholme as one of its main base of operation in the Plaguelands as shown in vanilla WoW (Stratholme dungeon and all scourge activities in the Plaguelands)

Who is the voice actor?

​@@cobraregala4571if you mean russian dub(which i was talking ab) it's Vladimir Vihrov. If the original eng, i dont know, sorry

@@josephoartigasia i meant the ru dub

Good thinking, but it wouldn't work. The plague that is a vector for Undeath would literally turn people overnight - if you leave them be, in the mission, they still turn into Zombies.

@@hallowedbeyourdays It would work. Like what you say, it's a plague, it's not like a bite that would turn you into a zombie in just minutes, it's a plagued grain that when consumed, would turn you into a zombie within a day (though the process would take many hours). They could have set up barricades, outposts, guards, and alert systems everywhere. Villagers will be ordered to stay in their homes, giving them weapons if their relatives turn into zombies inside their households. The disaster in Hearthglen occurred because the defenders in the town were just Arthas' personal troops. Uther learned his lesson and he accompanied Arthas in his next mission, only to leave when he knew Arthas' plan was basically to slaughter everyone else in the city. With the Silver Hand on Arthas' back now, the quarantine wouldn't have been easily overrun. I mean Uther's troops just liberated a Hearthglen literally surrounded by the Scourge. Alienating Jaina didn't help as well, the woman had close connections with the Kirin Tor and she could have easily teleported curious wizards from Dalaran to Stratholme so the quarantine could have been implemented better and the plague could have been studied deeper. Of course Arthas' was a man of good intentions but he always want it to get it "his way," sidelining the viewpoints and expertise of Uther and Jaina. And clearly doing the opposite of the Alliance's main value: teamwork. Yes, collective decision-making is long process but it's the main reason why the Alliance won the Second War. Sure Stratholme can fall, Lordaeron can fall but humans can retreat, can think, can plan, can launch new offensives/counterattacks/crusade to retake Lordaeron. That's the same logic during the First War, Stormwind, having no desperate measure man like Arthas to lead them, quickly fell to the Horde but Stormwind was retaken after the Second War (though it took them long and many lives were lost). Also the Alliance was already unifying when the plague started, the isolated kingdom of Quel'Thalas began sending their elven priests and sorceresses. The kingdoms of Gilneas and Stromgarde who left the Alliance after the Second War, sent their battlegroups to aid in Jaina's expedition to Kalimdor. Arthas had everything that he needed to defeat the undead but he literally alienated ALMOST EVERYONE OF THEM, from Jaina and Uther up to Muradin (that really hurted the feelings of the Bronzebeard royal family in Ironforge). Also he was very stup¡d 🤣🤣🤣, he didn't entirely clean up his mess, it's the Stratholme's survivors who burned the corpse, not him (they could reanimate as skeleton warriors).

@@TimeMakerDotPH My brother in Christ, we the player watch them zombify before our eyes. And the rest of this comment you seem to have gone spiralling onto, for no reason discernible to me... look man, you are aware Ner'zhul and Frostmourne were poisoning Arthas's mind long before he so much as arrived at dealing with the Blackrock clan, on whom Uther commented were bringing the same old rhetoric?

​@@hallowedbeyourdays but as the level designer I think for the culling? (Can be wrong @.@) pointed out, to anybody especially who played wc3 on hard, Dalaran and the high elves put up some decent fight prior hand, even with Lordaeron completely combusted, if arthas rallied everybody, things may not have escalated to the point where archimond was able to be summoned.

@@celeb-seventeen To the best of my recollection, the Burning Legion's return was nothing to do with what the Lich King did. Archimonde used undead servants to mine gold and harvest timber, but the army was all demonic, not undead on its own. Arthas may have crunched a lot of people who could have weighed in a lot to the defense of the World Tree in Kalimdor, but the Undead Scourge weren't a crippling mechanism for the Burning Legion; at the hand of the ones who became Kaldorei night elves the Legion may have been defeated once already by Azeroth's defenders, but the Legion prefers to win with mass, not class. Strategically speaking if the Plague was a bioweapon used with intent then it was massive success to the Legion's eyes, who hurled the Throne at the planet to begin with.

arthas fled to kalimdor. uther and the paladins fled to kalimdor. king terenas fled to kalimdor. sunstriders fled to kalimdor. sylvanas fled to kalimdor. antonidas and the kirin tor fled to kalimdor. grom didn't kill cenarius. yeah it would be an easier battle of mount hyjal. the only problem here is that it would be harder to convince (even if your medivh the prophet) the older human characters who have saw the first and second wars (ex. uther) to side with the orcs while younger generations of leaders and heroes such as jaina (even she's reluctant as well) were easier to convince by the prophet as they were more liberal and open-minded (in contrast with her father,admiral daelin,whose son derek died under the orcs' hands during the previous war). can you imagine arthas,uther (both fought the blacrock clan in-game so there would be obvious orc hatred),and king terenas cooperating with orcs in mount hyjal?

Pretty much Arthas' plot in WC3 is that he was selected as a general since fit the profile and actually doesn't really care about his subjects beyond them being his property as king he murder whenever he bothers to.

Arthas couldn't know how many were infected indeed, the plagued grain was distributed days before Arthas and his troops arrived, Scourge had time to prepare. Now if you look at it from WC3 gameplay perspective, every single citizen in Stratholme was infected, now of course that's just gameplay, and doesn't actually reflect lore 1:1, as seen in cutscene after Culling where Jaina talks to Uther about Arthas plan to go to Northrend, clearly some citizen survived and weren't turned. But Arthas did have reason to believe most were infected, and plague of undeath becomes active in what appears to be day or two. Which is not enough time to quarantine all the people, not enough time to run checks on who is sick and who isn't, not enough time to get elves or wizards to try their magic out on city that at the time had 20.000+ population. Even half of those people turning into feral undead would be a force reckoned with. They would swarm the region and spread their sickness. Arthas's mistake was not purging the city, it was going after Mal'Ganis in his deranged state of mind, choosing to face the Scourge alone on cold north with his limited numbers. Arthas needed Uther there, he needed him to be there for him. Stratholme was lost, lost to a powerful enemy, insidious and more dangerous than anything they faced before. If they instead kept to their senses, unified, and then went to Northrend. But it would be hard to unify people after the Purge, 20.000+ souls lost would be hard to pin on "foul sorcery". Scourge planned their stuff well.

arthas got it right in the culling of stratholme. he simply got it wrong on bringing the 1st legion and 3rd fleet to northrend to hunt mal'ganis,he should have listened to prophet medivh and fled to kalimdor.

@Zero60133 Undead in WC3 lore do not spread the plague so they don't turn others into undead. Undead are shown as raised through Necromancy, not as rising on their own like in zombie apocalypse scenarios. The Scourge needed to enchant objects with the plague so that Ner'zhul or his agents can raise those who died from the plague in mass. Stratholme being killed off didn't threaten the Scourge's operations at all. More undead to make from all the corpses, can summon ghosts if the bodies are burnt. And the Scourge already overran northern Lordaeron with no one driving them out at all.

"Arthas has no responsibility for his actions as a Death Knight and he was forced to defy his king rather than turn himself in for judgement"

You mean the.. bird?