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モデルは日露戦争だろ 日露戦争で連合艦隊はロシアの旅順艦隊とバルチック艦隊とウラジオ艦隊が合流する前に各個撃破した

@@橘内裕也 　あまりにナポレオン推しが多くて　やっぱり同じ艦隊戦のモデルになりますよね

満足か？トーシロ笑笑

艦隊の配置が違ってて最初に向かったのが第二艦隊だったら銀河の歴史はどうなっていたのだろう？

いやランチェスターの法則ってのがあってな 2万と1万2000が潰しあっても2万側は4000の損害で1万2000を全滅させられるんだよ 全滅ではなく潰滅でいいなら1333の損害で勝利できる これを3回繰り返してもラインハルトの艦隊は1万数千は残るので勝率は高い

自由惑星同盟軍の正面戦力が少なすぎた

戦わないだろ。ラインハルトは常に戦略面を考慮して行動してんだから。

@@谷澤文隆 だろーな。

@@user-cx1ke2en7o てめーの好き嫌いなどどうでも良い コメントすんなアホ

帝国軍を包囲殲滅した ダゴン星域会戦の再現に 固執してたから無理

同盟側は3個艦隊の提督たちの地位が対等だから俯瞰的に戦況をみて全体に指示をだせる人間が存在しないんだよ

もし両翼の艦隊が合流していたら、撃破予定ポイントに敵はいないわけだから、その際は素直に撃破数稼いで後退じゃないかなぁ。完勝とはいかずとも部分的勝利を収めてヤンがやったように消耗戦に持ち込むってパターンのどちらかか。

ラインハルトは同盟軍の司令官が誰なのかを知ってたのでは？

どっちにしろ最初の攻撃で第4艦隊はやられる 1個艦隊でもやられたら包囲は破綻するのだから同盟軍勝利のシナリオは消えるだろう

同盟軍は包囲戦に並々ならぬ執念を持ってますよね。

同盟の総司令官が無能のパエッタだからね😂

ダゴンの殲滅戦で勝った時のやり方を踏襲したつもり　つまり 過去の成功体験に同盟は酔っていた　田中芳樹氏が敢えてこういう描写を したのは　「成功体験にしがみつく事の危険性」を語りたかった為だろう

分進合撃に対し各個撃破で負ける軍は情報共有や伝達ができてないから歴史になぞった負け方をしているってだけかな

包囲の網にかけるには各艦隊は距離をとらないといけない 距離が近すぎると帝国軍は包囲殲滅を警戒して近寄ってこないだろう 各個撃破されないが帝国軍が警戒して退くほどでもない距離を計算して保ち続けるのはなかなかに困難

伝説の不良の理論だと、リーダー1人をやっつけると9人は降参するらしい。

不良たちが他の不良グループが襲われてることに気付かなければ出来る気がする。気付いて間髪入れずに救援に来られたらきついけど、例えば森の中とかの視界不良な場所なら大丈夫じゃない？

相手が油断していれば、最初の喧嘩でノーダメージでボコボコにできる。 相手の死角から襲いかかれば、何もさせずにノックアウトできる。 最後はまともに戦うことになるが、このときは、相手はビビっている。嵩に懸かれば、相手は縮こまって何もできない。 まあ、これは、昔ナポレオンが実際に行った戦闘をもとにしているから、可能かどうかで言えば、「本当にあったよ」と言うしかない。

That is the weakness of this strategy. By rushing past 2 of the 3 groups you expose your rear and also risk losing 1 or 2 of your group to 1 of the 3 groups weakening you. As every strategy it has its benefits and risks and works sometimes but not always

個別の敵と戦ってる最中に、他の個別の敵が合流してきたら終わりだよね。 あっという間に各個撃破しないと現実的じゃ無いなぁ。

@@ガータ ありがとうございます

宇宙戦艦ヤマト「ゲフンゲフン」 機動戦士ガンダム「ヘックション」 のび太の宇宙大戦争「ドラえもーん」

最新版では包囲陣を敷く場合、円錐形になってましたね。

This is from the Movie

@@gentlegiant7999 thank you

He's looking at Fahrenheit yes?

@@spamquisition4046 Ye

That's exactly how they rose to power so quickly aside from other major factors. One of the reasons was that they knew how to scout and recruit talent for a long term conquest. He met Kesler before and asked him to join him years before he officially did. He eyed on Bittenfeld's talent when he was just starting out with his own fleet. Fahrenheit would eventually join the nobles during the Lippstad war only to be forgiven so he would join the victors but this was decided way before it. Eventually they all joined him and stayed with him to the end.

​@@ythandlename indeed, the gaiden series show us How both Reinhard and kircheis searched for talents. Wahlen was an sub captain in a cruiser where Reinhard was the Commander, bittenfeld was Just an capitan, the same for eisenach. Muller just an officer on the military embassy on phezzan.

それを見て 「うわ～・・・悪い顔してるわ～。」 って思ってそうなキルヒアイスが気になる。 まぁ、実際はラインハルトの役に立ちそうな人材を見極めてるんだけど。

At the beginning of the series. Reinhard and Merkatz first opposed each other during the Imperial Civil War

たぶんリップシュタット戦役あたりで貴族軍に入ったのだと思います。

Yang took charge of the Evacuation of El Facil, that worked out pretty well don't you think?

@@captaindusty4884, still evacuating civilians while the Empire engages the retreating FPL Fleet does not count too much. If the Empire had deployed ships to stop the civilian evacuation Yang's legend could never had ever being born.

@@captaindusty4884 Wasn't Yang ordered to do that though?

@@maisaltyleftnut8138 This, it was literally given to him by the commander who fled with the warships and got caught. If not ordered to do it, Yang would had either tagged along to be captured or something.

To be fair, Yang took charge when ordered, and here Reinhard took charge when ordered. I don't see the 'big difference'.

More like remake. But I'm with you. Nothing beats the original version.

Die Neue These is reboot. There is also remaster. That's the version most people saw online and it was made for DVD, then later realised on BluRay. Original was realised on Laserdisk and can be found on The Pirate Bay, with burned Central Anime subtitles. Difference is that some scenes were redrawn in remastered and quality is much better.

I just watched a clip. The characters are very plain. It annoyed me watching Attenborough looking and behaving like a pop star. And such a shame the og VA didn't repraise the rol.

Legato RedWinters Napoleon didn't fuck up at waterloo, he fucked up when he was defeated and exiled previously. Waterloo probably wasn't winnable.

I usually hear divide and conquer, but yeah. It really wasn't that radical of an idea. Splitting up your force in the first place was a really dumb idea

Your name made this comment great

@@alexschalk5439 Splitting up your force isn't a dumb idea. OR at least it isn't under the correct circumstances. An encirclement of any kind allows for a much more efficient defeat of the enemy. By fighting on a single front, losses will be high on both sides, even with the size advantage. It IS riskier. But high risk, high reward. The problem with the war was that both sides were dominated with conservative commanders who behaved expectedly and typically on the side of caution. Against a typical commander, the Republic's strategy would have been more efficient than a single fleet duel. Reinhard might have decided to retreat, even if they approached with this formation, if the Republic had commanders who were more innovative and fluid with their battle strategy. For example, if they expected his aggressive response and had told the side fleets to converge on the main fleet if they lost contact of either their enemy or the main fleet. Reinhard's fleet could have been completely surrounded and wiped out with minimal losses. And, while it may be questioned why bother as they already had the advantage in battle, if we look at a war as a whole, the Republic had a weaker war economy and overall military strength. By attempting to wipe out fleets instead of just winning individual battles, they could turn the war in their favour. Plus, the Republic's commanders were desperate for recognition and praise. They wanted to wipe out the fleet because it gets them more attention than simply fighting them off would do. If it wasn't a radical idea, then why is it famous? And why did some historical commanders see great success with it? It worked because it wasn't expected. It wasn't expected because it was radical. Strategy is essentially just a game of rock, paper, scissors; I guess. But, throughout history, strategists keep playing rock against rock. And LOTGH highlighted this with the 'Legends' successes.

I know he didn't do it on purpose but holy shit....That's something Char would do to a commander just to finish the job.

That is so mean, even Reinhard could not do that intentionally, that is the big difference between him and Char.

yes it is, look at wiki, there is the chronological order of all the prequel ovas and movies, this one is 482 there he is a ltjg