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First off, thank you for the comment and for digging into this :). So it's possible there's some aspect of my setup you're not using or replicating and that workaround is the right way around it. Ctrl2 is my delay pedal, which is (in banks A and C) my "C" IN FX. So first I have Ctrl2 configured with no "Ctrl" specified (so without assigns, nothing happens). Then I set the FS6 to "latch" and use assigns to turn on both IN FX AC and IN FX CC on via "moment". In essence, IN FX AC and IN FX CC are both only on when the button is pressed (which acts as a toggle thanks to the latching). The reason I'm turning it on in two banks at once is due to the way my bass assign works. When I toggle bass on and off, I'm changing banks. So if I'm in bank A, then I toggle bass on and then off again, I'll be in bank C. The way my delay pedal is configured in this case, it will work the same whether I happen to be in bank A or bank C at that moment. Let me know if that makes sense.

Awesome! Feel free to check back in and let me know if you do get one and if I can help at all. The more I use it, the more I like it.

I believe in this cover I'm using the default "high and low" harmony on my VoiceLive Play Acoustic.

You're super welcome

Thank you! It's one of my favorites as well.

Thanks for saying so! Glad you liked it :)

Thank you!

Thank you! I'm trying to get into more general music topics :). And nice stuff on your channel!

Thanks! I can now say that months later it really does feel like the effort was worth it :).

Thanks so much! That's what I've found as well. I have to suppress the self-critical voice that says mastering means not making mistakes (and I wish I made fewer) but being able to create an experience through mistakes just feels like a necessary skill to be a complete performer.

So I haven't done that specifically - I'd probably try to either use Track FX if you always want a particular FX on a particular track, or just use the input FX and when you record that will lock it in on a given track. That's how I do my loops ,but it may not be exactly what you're looking for. Curious what you end up doing!

I think that while you can only have one bank active at a time, each input can be set to a particular input (or all) - I've heard there are some edge cases and interactions with how things are recorded based on what the input FX are connected to, but I haven't run into those issues myself. Hope that helps!

It's something I'm looking into, actually! A lot of my workflow choices are the lack of things to assign to. It would open some interesting doors having that option.

This is a great alternative approach to part of what I do with this and helps me understand single mode, since I haven't really played with it at all. That would work on many of my arrangements, though in general my arrangements are split between this faux-single mode I demonstrate and a true multi mode (my cover of Melt With You is like this). Also, I love your setup! And beautiful cover of Time After Time on your channel :).

@@RickSandersMusic I have five patch setups: one is Ed-Sheeran-style all-multi mode, the way you're set up. Another is one multi and two single, which I'd use the way I suggested here (90% of my songs are performed on that SSM mode), then I have a four-channel MSSS (I put the multi in the top row for percussion). I can use this for songs with three distinct parts, such as Wild Night, One Headlight, and It's My Life. That allows me to record the three parts on the first pass and switch to electric lead-rhythm. It's a lot of fun! Then I have a "Tennessee Whiskey" mode that's S-M but in 6/4, and an "Africa" mode that's in 2/4. It's really great for creativity and on-the-fly looping. I appreciate the discussion!

Thanks for the comment! Hope you're able to get something out of it.

Thanks so much! Glad you got something out of it :)

Apologies for the distraction. I confess it doesn't distract me when I'm talking through technical stuff, but I'll keep that in mind for future videos. And yes, I'm a musician :).

I noticed it, but wasn’t distracted. I’m a multi instrumentalist.

@@harmonyaquarian9210 I’m an active listening musician who focuses on music when it’s being played, background music is for day walking mouth breathers who don’t listen!(aka bad or non musicians)

Thank you!

So glad to hear it! Glad you got something out of this. My next video will be a fair bit different, but I'm hoping to have something more in this vein to share soon :).

That's actually good to know - I haven't noticed the latency for the kinds of gigs I do, but that sort of thing can compound if you're unaware of it. Thanks!

So glad you found it helpful! Cheers for the comment.

Haha, I always wondered when someone would have a look at the bookshelf. I've read those a few times, though these days it's usually audiobooks :). Cheers for the comment.

Thanks so much! I'm glad you got a lot out of it. Since workflows are so custom to the looper I was worried this wouldn't be generally useful, but I wanted to try and see what people thought. And some of those tips at the end are a big part of my show these days :).

Afraid I don't have any experience using it for that so I can't really say. I'd probably ask about on the RC600 loopers group on Facebook or a similar forum.

It's hard to know until you're using one, but it mostly depends on what you're looking for. To my knowledge (I haven't used one) the Sheeran is really good for the workflows it supports. And the build quality is great. The RC600 is probable more flexible and is definitely cheaper, but it's smaller (a pro and a con) and a little harder to set up to do what you want, most of the time. For my money, the RC600 just does what I want it to do better and at a better price, but I could see someone going far with either. Hopefully this (and my other video) helps illustrate one way to use the RC600. I'd definitely check out some deep dive videos on the Sheeran X looper as well and think about what you want to do with it. Good luck!

it's all part of the journey :). In a way, I'm glad I got the education on the "cheap" in this case, and now I have a story. But definitely felt a bit silly when this happened and glad to share the cautionary tale.

thank you!

Hey glad you enjoyed! So the key settings for me to get that working were two ASSIGNS set to the same SOURCE button (one of the Ctrl inputs, based on your setup) but it's also important that at least one (or both) of the tracks you're starting is set to start immediately. You want to use the assign target for TRK1-6 REC/PLY or TRK1-6 PLY/STP on each of your assigns (the assign targets that start tracks). So when you hit your "source" button, both assigns will fire, starting those tracks. I talk about this in my more recent video a bit, but if one of your loops is set to Loop Sync "MEASURE" then you'll need to make sure that assign is set first (numerically) and your other Track must be set to "IMMEDIATE" to ensure it starts. Feel free to respond if this doesn't quite make sense or you get stuck. And happy looping!

Great questions. I'm basically using a fully mono system (guitar, mic, etc), but as I understand it, all the inputs and outputs are potentially stereo, but you need to use two 1/4" inputs where appropriate. I'm using the L/MONO on both input and output (and SUB, when I'm using that). I think if you use just one, you'll get the LEFT channel, but I haven't tried it personally. My Helicon device takes an XLR input and outputs an XLR output - the two inputs on my device are splitting that signal to MIC IN 1 & 2. Hope that helps!

I'm so glad to hear this was helpful! It takes longer to walk through the demo, but I think it helps and it's great to hear it was worth the effort :). And with something as flexible as the RC600, I hope to hit on general use cases and demonstrating some features, rather than aiming this at an audience of people who use the device exactly the same way I do. Cheers!

Hey thanks so much for the comment! And so sorry to hear about losing those assigns! :( The main differences I've noticed with 1.30 is that its detection of tempo (noticed in this video when I create a loop on Track 2 and then go back to Track 1 to record "1 measure") seems to have become less accurate. At least at certain (I think slower) tempos. As for the overall changes, you can find patch notes here: www.boss.info/us/support/by_product/rc-600/updates_drivers/c5037279-4000-4118-8a70-d3dadf3180c7/, but the main selling point (better stability) is something I've had good luck not getting bitten by too badly on either 1.30 or 1.21. I've heard that sending the device midi signals can cause some crashes (something I would like to do but don't currently do), and the one real bad crash I had with the device seems to have been overheating (5 hours in an outdoor gig). It's possible that some of the early shipped devices have hardware issues and it might be worth sending it back for a replacement if you're able, but otherwise fingers crossed you're able to suss things out and get it working for you!

First off, thank you! That bug (it feels like it has to be a bug) is very interesting and I don't think I have that problem in particular. What firmware are you on by chance? As I understand it, with my settings I wouldn't be able to record distorted guitar onto a track, right? I'm sure I've done that before (in fact I did it today at a gig) - that's on the latest firmware for me though. I would 100% call that a bug. Very odd

@@RickSandersMusic Thanks for the response Rick. I was on 1.21, but updated and am experiencing the same on 1.3. However, I have discovered a bit more information. This only happens when I have the InputFX Insert set to 'All'. Now technically I don't want 'all' I want Mic 1 AND Mic 2 - so that I can use a vocal inputFX when regular singing ( Mic 1 in my case) - and maintain the inputFX when putting the vocals in a loop ( Mic 2 in my case). I think I might be able to get around this my using Bank A/Bank B, and switching them with an assign. Still feels like a bug to me though.

@@charlie-james yeah, that makes a bit more sense and also does still feel like a bug to me too. Are you on the RC600 group on Facebook btw? Bit weird to recommend Facebook in 2024, but the group is the best discussion group I've found for seeing if anyone else has these kinds of edge cases. I'd love to hear how you workaround it though.

@@RickSandersMusic So according to the Parameter guide - it IS as designed: "Even when this is set to "ALL, " the unit doesn't record inputs with effects if the LOOP/TRACK 1-6 INPUT (p. 4) for all the tracks hasn't been set to "ON. "" I started going down the assign route - but it ended up needing too many assigns too achieve what I wanted. I'll have to rethink my setup, there might be another way to achieve. I've heard the Facebook group is good, but I'm unlikely to join. I'll keep at it though, thanks again for outlining your approach - it's helped me in a few ways.

I feel like my response should be somewhere between "I'm sorry" for creating the uncertainty and "you're welcome" for providing the info. I actually want to look at Loopy Pro a bit myself, though I really love the 600 at this point. The trigger for making this video was realizing I was getting really comfortable with the workflow I've been able to fashion from it. Thanks for the comment!

thank you! Feel free to check back in with how it goes for you :)

I'll give it a look!

hey John Paul - first off I love your videos! I've learned a lot from them :). In my case I went away from that version of the mode switch only because I don't trust myself to double-tap to go from 2 back to 1 - since I rarely use mode 3, I'm optimizing my setup around making 1 and 2 very samey and very easy to switch between at the expense of mode 3, but I did strongly consider using that other version of mode switching. Definitely do recommend that as an option for folks to consider generally!

Great question! And I did forget to include this. It's specifically for the "Track 1&2 start" (or if I wanted to do Track 1&3 later). That button has an assign for Track 2 Play/Rec and an assign for Track 1 Play/Rec, but it doesn't activate them simultaneously - it hits them one after another. So if I set Track 1 to Measure sync, rather than starting them together, Track 2 will start but Track 1 will wait for the next measure to start. (This was a bit maddening to figure out at the time) I might have mentioned this in my last video, but I'm not sure I ever said explicitly that this is why Track 1 had to set to Immedate sync. With Track 1 set to Immediate, Track 2 starts right away because that assign fires first, and Track 1 starts right away because of the Immediate. I hope that makes sense as I've described it here; I may file that away to add into a future video!

So glad it was helpful!

So glad it was helpful! I'm working on another one as we speak :). Less tips, more sharing my setup, but hopefully still some value there.

Thanks so much!

Haha, yeah, music takes us places...

Thanks much! This is the most tap-dancey song I've posted in a while :)

Thank you Michael!

Legit, I'm not at all sad about that :).