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It is awesome.

the water is very clear which gives the impression. There is also some greens in the water flattening out the surface. Its ranging from knee to waistdeep.

It is the baltic sea. It´s on the danish side of the Flensburg Fjord at a place called Egeskov.

I have not ridden the HTF2 once, so I wont be able to provide any detailed information. I´ve tested the Hypermodel in 9m once. I would say the 10m is faster and handles gusts better.

Thank you. I´m using the premium lense protection. Due to the funky jump I landed in the water and water pushed itself between the lense and the premium protection. it drippled out slowly and some got evaporated due to the head coming from the camera. So this is no serious issue but related to the lense protection :)

Ok thanks for you answer.

I´m also pumping my 8m Thrive to about 9 PSI. I can see a bit of opening up of the arc when I take off. But for normal use it´s just as you can see in various jumps. In the 10m Thrive loop video are two jumps when a wave of gusts pushed in, but the max is the opening up of the arc. I´ve seen much more of this behaviour from my standard orbit throughout the months of use. So maybe I need more time on the water with the Thrive to give more feedback on that. Sometime, and that goes for Aluula frames too, when you take off in normal wind like 25 knots and a 40+ gust just kicks in you will see a kite deform. But I assume that is totally normal, even if it looks scary. I mean a gust is not alway coming fully from the front but reaching in from one side of the kite.

@@kiteandpizza Das ist eine One X4 und als Halterung dient mir ein Camera Cage. Findest du in unterschiedlicher Ausführung bei Amazon. Damals in meinen ersten Aufnahmen hat mir das so garnicht gefallen, der Helm war zu close und somit zu groß. Ich habe mir dann eine 15cm metal extension geholt. Damit funktioniert das gut. Jedenfalls gefällt mir die Lösung besser als die Rucksäcke oder Plates die man aufs Trapez dübelt. Da sehe ich häufig irgendwelche Probleme, vor allem, dass die Plattenverbinder reißen.

@@Alexomator Ok, einen Cage aus hab ich auch - nur an eine Stange hätte ich im Traum nicht gedacht. Macht aber total Sinn bei diesem Bildern. Wie verhindest du das "wackeln/verrutschen" des Helms? Der Hebel mit dem Gewicht der X4 ist ja nicht unerheblich.

@@kiteandpizza Ich merke schon, dass mein Helm sich etwas mehr bewegt und die Bänder schneller lose werden. Dann setze ich mich aktuell kurz hin, nehme den Helm ab, ziehe nach und dann passt das wieder. Einen Helm trägt man ja, damit er nicht verruscht, fest und nicht locker :) Der Gesamtschwerpunkt mit fest sitzendem Helm + Stange + Kamera ändert sich kaum. Dafür ist die Maße vom Kopf einfach zu groß.

Haha, yeah, I should´ve gone the other way around for the 2nd loop :)

360° Aufnahmen machen viel Spaß und geben mehr Übersicht. Dafür sieht man auf dem Wasser wie eine Teletubbie aus :) Die Übergänge sind einfache fades, nicht mehr, nicht weniger.

@@Alexomator Danke, bin total neu im Videobereich. Habe gestern Nacht in einer Davinci Resolve Gruppe genau deine Antwort erhalten.

@@kiteandpizza Software gibt es wie Sand am Meer. Ich nutze OpenVideo und bin sehr zufrieden damit. Muss aber sagen, dass ich Clips im insta360 Studio vorher color grade, Fokus setze, Rauschen rausrechnen lassen, etc.

Iˋm using a insta360 One X4 on a 15cm full metal extension directly attached to the top of my helmet. If you see me, youˋll laugh your ass off :) Iˋm sometimes asked on how my reception is ... but hey, I want some nice footage.

Danke, ich hatte nie eine SensorBar. Das einzige Core Produkt das ich habe ist der 1,5m Trainerkite, das hat seinen Grund.

@@Alexomator hattest du mal schlechtenErfahrungen mit Core oder findest du die einfach unsympathisch?

@@gregor3007 Schlechte Erfahrungen.

21m lines, 16 to 22 knots with 29 gusts

16 to 22 knots with 29 gusts

@@bondvillansarebest Hahahahaha !

I´d love to see @jasonofmontreal get a Thrive in his hands. Due to his tests and explanations I decided to go for the Orbit to get into loops and I have to admit it was one of the best decisions I´ve made. The Orbit was such a beast for height and catch safety. Now I think this is the next level and I really would love to hear his thoughts on the kite.

Orbit has no low end, so there is no comparission :)

Hahah let me rephrase, how would you compare the wind ranges? Size down with the thrive or similar?

I´m very surprised by the range the Thrive provides. I´m using the 10 realistically from about 14 Knots with a 145 Kold Shapes Polar II. Thats driving from left to right and keeping my level. I´ve used the 10 today in 25 knots gusts up to 40 without any problems. No de-power. For a 9m Orbit I would start using it from 18 knots on with the same board and used it up towards 35ish wind. But I would gradually de-power it. I havent felt that with the Thrive so far and would assume 35 knots are doable on the 10. For size comparision ... 10m Thrive ist faster than the 9 Orbit. Maybe an 11 Thrive would match a 9 Orbit, when going for loops. Powerwise I would say the 8m Thrive is more matching the lower end of the 9m Orbit.

Thanks for the detailed answer! sounds pretty sick. Will try one if I ever get the chance!

So I´ve been using the 10 from 10 Knots until 30ish knots without any issues. Today we had some 35 gusts and the 10 was fine. The range on the kites is ... magnificent. Honestly giving advice on kite sizes is a tricky game. If you are experienced enough in either low or high winds your riding and requirements will change significantly. Lets say you´ve been out on 15m Kites for quite some time, pushing foiling to 5-6 knots and learning on how to safe a front and back stalling kite in this wind. With this knowledge you will use a 12 or 9 or even 7 completely different when riding them in super low conditions (for the respective size). Same goes for when you´ve ridden your kites in super strong winds. So please take the following with a grain of salt. Make kite sizes dependant on your kite requirements. You want to go out in lower 10ish knot winds? 10-17 knots, drive from left to right, do some front and backrolls? A 12 is too low for that? get a 15m Thrive. I´m sure you´ll love it. If you want to spend less, take a look at the KauperXT Nerio in 15m, that is one awesome kite. You want to push your jumps from 20 knots on? get a 12 and a 9 maybe. 12 is too slow for you? get an 11 or 10 and make the 9 an 8 or 7. You want to push your loops from 17 knots on? Get a 10, it loops like charm. I´ll be posting a video later on that. For the 35 knot basewind with 45+ gusts: I was super surprised myself. I´ve ridden 7m Supermodels and my 9m Orbit in wind like this and I was afraid. The kites pulled strong on me and forced me to "handle" them. The Thrive ... was just easy. It was only easy. I had not to de-power it, when I would´ve ridden my Orbit at 4-5cm already. I don´t know why that is. If you get the chance to test a Thrive in conditions like that, do it. Find it out yourself.

@@Alexomator Thank you so much for your detailed answer ! Maybe the 13-10-8 could be a good option. Keep going with your great work and awesome video like this one !

Yes, I'm also interested in this comparison !

Of course the thrive is not lighter then a evo d lab. I heard from some guys that this thrive is like the evo sls. Just check the shape. There you see 😊

I´ve only ridden the Evo Dlab in 10m once. If you have it, you might know the typical evo characteristics. One, that I really really hated was that when I wanted to unspin the bar, it kept spinning because when at the end of the de-power range the backlines were without any pull. The Thrive doesnt have that. I would say the Thrive is more forgiving than the Dlab. The Dlab requires absolut on point focus and a super clean takeoff to get you going. I remember missing this point would take most out of the fun on the Dlab. But that may be due to my little time on it. What I can surely say is, the Thrive loops way better. While the Dlab in tight turns will put its turning point inside the kite (in german we say "tellern" and I don´t know an english word for that), the Thrive does not show this characteristic. I cannot say anything about a 2nd loop, because i haven´t jumped any doubles so far :) But you can see continuous loops on the Thrive and delayed on the Dlab. If you watch footage from one year ago, you can see the reason Andrea has to delay the 2nd loop.

@@chrisduc1 Sad story, it is lighter. Not by much but on the 10 it´s 2.485 to 2.45 in favor of the Thrive. I wouldn´t say that this difference does give it an edge, I would say it shows that they are in one category. It is definately not the SLS shape, I´ve put two 8s Evo SLS and my Thrive into each other and on each other. There are differences, mostly in the tips and trailing edge.

Looks like Thrive costs about same as Evo SLS, but with 7-8 weeks waiting time now as their page says.

Yes this is an AI voice. I was cutting the footage all day long, writing down a script and when midnight came in yesterday, I wasn´t in the mood to read the text out loud. I have sold my 15m Nerio and for low winds I do use a bench or a chair together with a beer :) The 10m Thrive is my biggest kite right now. But I´m making up my mind if I want something above that.

Baby or microloops are done 50cm-1m above the water. 2/3m is not good for your knees :) The Orbit is a very good kite. I personally feel better using the Thrive.

@@Alexomatorthanks, are you using a go pro 360?

@@ozii560 Insta360 One X4

Orbit is good enough to learn loops and will catch at 2-3 meter with the right technique, you don't need a new kite for that 😊

Thank you mate!

Since the release of the Thrive I only had three sessions with the 10 so far due to the lack of wind. This changed three days ago and I´ve been hitting the water non-stop in the past three days. It took me two days to get dialed in on the 8 but yesterday I managed to up my PB 4 times. Amazing kite, just amazing. I´ll start working on the video and I´m sure it will be out latest tomorrow.

@@Alexomator Thank you very much for this very interesting review of the 8m !

I haven´t received my lead bar yet so I had to modify my Dreamstick. I checked my storage and still have some LFK Mission Control Bars v3, I took one of their splitters and placed them about 4,5m from the start of the lines. Works like a charm.

Better in what regard? For loop progression? I would say yes. The orbit is already quite fast und catches well. I myself transitioned over from the 2024 Orbit in 9 towads two Thrives in 8 and 10. While the orbit still had situations where it was scetchy, I could not yet find them with the Thrive. When the Orbit sometimes didnt rise, the Thrive comes back up and catches. I do not know the reason why, it may be the mila struts that keep the form and airflow going or it might be the welding that makes it more reactive. But the result is amazing. It also comes at a higher price. That is something you should consider and maybe a used 2023 Orbit is the better over all solution. I mean, the 2023 Orbit is still a very good kite.

Thats the 10m.

@@Alexomator whats your weight? :D

I´m sitting at 84kg naked.

Mostly around 6m, the first and last loop were at about 8m.

Most beautiful spot in the world. I seriously want to go there again.

@@Alexomatoryea it’s sweet, I got to kite foil there couple years ago..so nice!!!

I´m loving it. I´ve been in the same situation and looking for a low wind board having to decide between a Trace and the Polar II. The Polar II ist way more playful. If you can, test them both. You´ll feel that the Polar II is the better board.

Thanks, it was a good day. For loops I do prefer the Orbit. It is faster than the Supermodel and it catches better. As an allround kite I do miss my Supermodels. From all other allround kites I´ve tried I think they perform the best. But the Orbit is now gone too ... I wonder if I will miss it :) The Dreamstick works like a charm. I really love it due to the low diameter and the Linesmith.eu lines I´ve put on it. I never knew but lines make a huge difference in feeling the kite. With the super snappy linesmith.eu lines the feeling of the orbit changed drastically. When you are lit you can feel the frame of the kite work with microadjustments down in the bar. It does start to vibrate or shake, a very unfamiliar feeling at first glance, but on the second thought it gives you super awesome feedback on whats to come. Normally I´ve been looking for a pull in the hook before the jump to identify if the jump is going to boost me into sufficient heights for loops. If I have to lean back I know its going to be 6-7m and safe for loops. Now if I have the bar vibrating for the first two seconds of the jump I know its double digit. I´m really loving them and can 100% encourage everyone to get good lines.

Thank you

I run my Orbit in 9m at 10 PSI. Still does that. Not unknown with heavier loads.

​@@AlexomatorYou mean you are too heavy ?

@@ANIMAN7 I´m at roughtly 90kg

Which setting is it on? Max bar pressure?

@@vituasss It´s the 2nd from the tip out of 4. So rather softer setting.

Thank you, that was mostly just surviving. The kite is the "Force" from Harlem.

That was truely a close call. Man, I miss NZ :)

Danke, es kostet mich jedes mal aufs neue Überwindung den ersten Loop zu ziehen. Weil du bei unter 20 Knoten an 3 Tagen in Folge rausgehst und nicht am einzigen 20 Knoten Tag, weil dann dein Arm weh tut :)

Das ist in der Tat der Dreamstick von Reedin, Leinen sind alle gleich lang, custom 21m TLS vom Linesmith

Sure, it´s a 3d printed mount by someone from the biggest german kite surf forum oaseforum.de the topic is "Kite Line Mount für Insta360"

@@Alexomator Thank you

It´s not a big difference from my perspective. I´ver put in a splitter to test it and there wasn´t that much of a change.

Micro or baby-loops should be the first step. They are quite easy. You can find super good intros from kitesurf college or others. Follow them closely! Other than that ... micro or baby-loops as mentioned, below 1,5m. Next is jumps into the wind with at least 6m in height. I´m not sponsored by north, but I must admit, the Orbit 2024 is a super boost in both relevant fields: height and speed.

tak

That´s a 9m Orbit and windspeed was in the lower 20s.

Moin, 145x44 Polar II und 9m² Orbit bei 85kg mit Gear

It´s noted that it is designed to be used with a Y at about 4,5m to 5m.

Ja so fühlt es sich für mich an. Ich musste einige Instructionals sehen um festzustellen wie man herausfindet wie der Kite am angenehmsten und zügigsten durchlooped. Bei mir ist das wenn ich einige cm die Bar rausschiebe. Schau dir mal die Videos von @jasonofmontreal an, dort siehst du, dass jemand mit mehr Erfahrung die Bar im Loop mit Gefühl nachführt. Zieht der Kite zu stark, ein wenig raus mit der Bar.

Thank you!