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Interpretation of St. John's Revelation by R.H.C. Lenski. Section from Introduction re: The structure of the Book of Revelation Views regarding the structure of Revelation are connected with its interpretation. Some divide it into two main parts, others into seven or more. Often this division depends on the amount of history Revelation is thought to include. For some Revelation covers only the general period of John, in particular the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of the Roman Empire with Nero and the Nero-redivivus myth as the center. Others find in it all of history since Christ’s first advent plus the history of the church - all this in chronological sequence. Some speak of cycles, some of recapitulation. Many attempt to locate our own times at some point in the prophecies. Some regard only the seven letters to the seven churches as pertaining to the present and place all the rest into the future to be realized shortly before the end; sometimes even these seven churches are made prophetic of the end. Some seek to interpret in a purely historical way, while others idealize or allegorize. It is bewildering and discouraging. But one sees how thus the book has come to be divided in a variety of ways. Seven parts seem attractive because seven plays a great role throughout the book. Are there really ordinary divisions in Revelation? To be sure, each vision stands out distinctly, and we can mark off fairly well one after another. Yet when one seeks for something more, others are able to point out his inadequate combinations or something still more serious in his conception of the book. Ordinary books have blocks of thought; we see through their structure and note how one block is built upon another. Yet in I John we find a totally different structure: a basic fact and then an upward and ever-widening spiraling until the end is reached. It is not claimed that Revelation has such a plan, but I John teaches us that building with blocks is not the only structural plan found in Scripture. In seven different places Revelation reaches the end of the world: 6:12-17; 7:9-17; 11:18; 14:4-20; 16:17- 21; 19:11-21; 20:7-15. The note of the end is struck already in two of the letters, “Till I come” (2:25); “Behold I am coming quickly!” (3:11). Again, Revelation presents a number of scenes in heaven with great doxologies. To these scenes we may add the first revelation of Christ in 1:9-20. Yet we are unable to use these features for making divisions in a convincing way, although it has been attempted: a heavenly scene introducing each part and then earthly scenes following it. We frankly give up the attempt to divide this book in an ordinary way. At most one could detach 1:9- 3:22, and again chapters 21 and 22, but what about all that lies between? As far as the writer is able to see, the visions, from first to last, present lines or vistas. These start at various points, but like radii or rays all focus upon the final judgment and the eternal triumph. The final visions (chapters 21 and 22) present the triumph at length. All history is covered, but not as we read history but only as God sees it. The veiling clouds open now and again and allow us to see vision after vision until at last our eyes behold the vision of the Holy City itself. Times and seasons are not for us to know (Acts 1:7), but the sure triumph, glorious over and amid them all, is. I am able to offer no more regarding the structure. ------------------------------------------------------ Re: The seven mountains. Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. This is a list of seven (mountains/mounts) that surrounds Jerusalem. 1- Mt. Goath, 2- Mt. Gareb, 3- Mt. Acra, 4- Mt. Bezetha, 5- Mt. Zion, 6- Mt. Ophel, and 7- Mt. Moriah. Jerusalem is surrounded by seven (mountains/mounts) whereas Rome is surrounded by (seven hills). Also Israel had kings whereas Rome has Emperors...another difference. I would challenge anyone to do a study in the O. T. re: mountains which is a metaphor for Kings. There is a spiritual sense to this word. Do you recall when Jesus mentioned in Mathew 17:20, He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.” Do you really think He was talking about a physical mountain? I think not.

When it comes to dating the NT, I find it interesting that none of the NT authors mention the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Hebrews (a book we don't know the date or author of) clearly implies that the temple and sacrificial system are still in place. The gospels have Jesus' prediction of the temple being destroyed, but never seem to gloat or make reference to the fact that it actually came true. Particularly John (regarded as the last gospel). John has a habit of translating and explaining for his audience (rabbi means teacher, for example) or saying things that would happen later as he tells his story of Jesus (he mentions that Judas is the one who would betray Jesus). But none of the gospels actually point out that the temple WAS EVENTUALLY destroyed. None of the NT epistles (at least the ones that survived) mention it either. That is an earth-shattering event that you think would be made reference to if the books were written after 70AD (or edited by a later redactor).

When it comes to Dispensationalism and especially those who think there is going to be a "rapture" (a concept completely foreign to the Biblical authors), I call all of that "Cartoon Christianity". It's like cringey made-for-tv sci-fi movie or a kid's cartoon version of Christianity, and it's extremely frustrating to endure. Particularly because those who believe it are frequently the loudest in any group and all it takes is to get two of them together and then they absolutely dominate the entire discussion and make it all about their fantasies.

Every.point you made has a different interpretation open to it. 100% disagree and you have not provided a single point to change my mind.

The great city Babylon could refer to the crown corporation run through Freemasonry, Vatican, London banking district and district of Columbia are the religious monetary and military that secretly run everything, all three are small nation states not a part of the countries they are located in, "the great city will be divided in three" verse would make sense??

Informative refutation of preterism. RUclips MZTV 336 and MZTV 1137, 1138 and 1139. It's all a big, no, not misunderstanding. Mistranslation.

Partial preterism is like partial pregnancy.

2 Timothy 2 KJV 16 “But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” 2 Timothy 2 16 CJB 16 “But keep away from godless babbling, for those who engage in it will only become more ungodly, 17 and their teaching will eat away at people like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are among these; 18 they have missed the mark, as far as the truth is concerned, by saying that our resurrection has already taken place; and they are overturning some people’s faith. 19 Nevertheless, God’s firm foundation stands, stamped with these words: “The Lord knows his own,”[a] and, “Let everyone who claims he belongs to the Lord stand apart from wrongdoing.”[b]”

Might be me but how exactly do we get Revelation written before 70 A.D.? Simply can't if you want to remain historically consistent. John was never banished to Patmos until 90/95 A.D. I hear many try their best to explain it away... But then we get so many other inconsistencies... When exactly did the the scroll, bowl, and trumpet judgements occur? And Christians beheaded.... Not argument Christians were persecuted and fed to the lions... But that is man's wrath... Not God's wrath...

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.

Love Bruce Gore's teaching 🙏🙏❤️

Ditch the ridiculous title of "preterist" and just be a Bible believing follower of Jesus. Preterist cultists pretend that their theoretical heresy has historic confirmation. Nonsense. NO where in history is there any record of these things below, in the WORD, happening. They have not yet happened. WHERE in history do we see the fulfillment of the following? We do not. "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is TO COME, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7-8 The Coming of the Son of Man "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." If your "Jesus" has already come, He's "another Jesus" and not "the Almighty" who said He's coming "in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory ... with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

One of the great ethnocentric projections into biblical literature is the constant assumption that a biblical book like Revelation has one date of completion., as if publication in the ancient Near East was operating on the modern methods of review, editing, submission and printing. Since the books were "living' words, alive in the hearing of the assembles. they could well have been formed like living organisms, in ongoing stages. one stage of Revelation seems rooted in mid 60s AD experience, another layer perhaps decades later.

1:02:12 Satan doesn't have the ability to deceive people anymore?????? What world is he living in and what Bible is he reading?????

John said the whole world lies in wickedness. Peter warned us about our adversary the devil who was seeking whom he may devour. Paul warned us to have on the whole armor of God that we may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Paul called the devil the god of this world who blinds the minds of those who believe not. The majority of people are still in spiritual darkness. How can anyone take serious the thought that when it talks about the devil being bound for a thousand years in order for him to not be able to decieve the nations till the thousand years are expired, to mean that he is just limited in his power? That's pretty weak. You have to really want to believe that in order to believe that. That took someone's imagination to come up with that.

I heard someone say that one of Nero's name was Damitian, however you spell it and that there was more than just one who had that name. That could be why some date it around 95ad. thinking it was a different Damitian other than Nero.

I hate it when interviewers start off with “ tell us about yourself”.

Yes! The Gospel of Jesus Christ can change lives and nations. Amazing!

Zxtzse We are living in the final few years of the Short Season. Most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation have already been fulfilled. In scripture, we are at Revelation 20:7 and 2nd Esdras 11:32. Analysis, proofs, dates, and timelines at my YT channel.

Preterist - smeterist -- Jesus has still not come back yet -- unless you are a Jehovah's Witness. Then He lives and reigns in Brooklyn, NY.

Fantastic discussion! It did seem to go a little awry on the millennial reign at the end. It seems to me the position Gore is taking there can only be held when ignoring the many instances in the prophets (and Psalms) that speak of a time when the Lord is literally, physically located in a spot on the Earth, ruling. Of course, Psalm 2 famously states that "I will set My King on My holy hill". But then there's Micah 4 that says in the latter days the house of the Lord will be established on the top of the mountains, above all other hills, and that people will flow to it and say "come, let us go up and be taught by Him". Zechariah 14:16 also says people will go up to where the King is to worship Him, and to celebrate the feast of Tabernacles (God with us). Ezekiel 39 says that the Lord Himself will draw up the nations to where He is in the north, where the mountains of Israel are - they think they are coming to make war with Him and the camp of the Saints, but the Lord says He is drawing them up in order to destroy them with fire from Heaven (Gog/Magog). The encircling of the camp of the saints at the end of satan's little season (which is AFTER the millennial reign) clearly indicates that the Lord Himself is present in that specific location on the Earth. A literal reign on the Earth. Shalom!

*Historicism is biblical* Declaring *the end from the beginning* and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: {Isaiah 46:10} “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” {Revelation 1:19} Prophetic continuance is histrorisim.

Futurism is a counter reformation false teaching, spawned from the pen of the Jesuit monk, Francoisco Ribera. circa. 1585 A.D.

Preterism is a counter-reformation false doctrine spawned from the pen of the Jesuit monk Luis de Alcaser circa. 1601 A.D.

I have always had a great interest in especially Early American history, but now I really LOVE everything touching Bible history & I think you are GREATLY responsible! *** the “loosen my mortar” comment was really good! Thanks!

This was fantastic.

At the end of the video, he puts the beginning of the millennium at Jesus’s resurrection (which I agree with). And yet he is a post-millennialist? Wouldn’t that make him an amillenialist?

Great explanation of end time prophecy, what about the little season.... its there a part 2? lol

Partial preterist it's a bliss merci.

The following observation relates to how we have imposed things on the biblical text which has allowed error and misunderstanding to seep in. There were no “chapters” in the text. I know it seems pedantic to remind people of that fact, but it is kinda important. Chapters tend to impose an order and contextual structure that shapes perception of how the text is read. When the author does so, the divisions are truly internal and meaningful to the text. When editors or others add chapter and verse their particular impressions are superimposed on the text. I like my standard Bible-and use chapter and verse often. I also have a smooth reading Bible and one on audio. They have no chapter and verse breaks and no “headings” (example: my Spirit-Filled Life NKJV study Bible has “Jesus and the Fig Tree” before the passages where Jesus encounters the fig tree. Innocuous in that instance, but it disconnects the passages from the previous ones.)

I know it’s three years later but I believe David Chilton’s book was re-printed by American Vision

This is great. Most modernist read the Bible incorrectly. Jesus and the apostles were talking to people At That Time! Not 2K years later. A narcissists generation wants it all about them

The professer asumes this generation that sees the LONG list from Mat. 24:1- 15 will not pass away but not so. The generation that sees the tender branch put forth leaves will not pass away which was Israel born in a day May 15th 1948. It's been puting forth leaves for 76 years expanding it's borders after every conflict. The language after Mat. 24:34 is Jewish wedding traditional.language "only the FATHER knows the day and hour" and "like a thief in the night " is the hour the Jewish father would judge the room addition was ready "many mansions" and tell the son go get your bride. He would go at the midnight hour with a few close friends to snatch the bride away "like a thief in the night". The verse following are clear one is taken from the field, mill and bed screams secret Harpazo. Rev. 12:5 is the Harpazo the next fulfillment to come. Any biblical scholar can read the long list of signs in Mat. 24:3-15 and agree no false christ appered, wars (plural) were waged, rumours of wars (cold war), nation against nation (World wars), famines, plagues and earthquakes inside 40 years. Who could earthquakes in far away places be a sign in the 1st century. Today I knew about the 9.0 in Japan the hour it occured.

Good interview. You actually let the guest speak and that’s awesome. 👍

non literal man made.

Very informative.

Great interview! Thanks for bringing this discussion to us. It answered a lot of questions I had on the Preterest view

All great until the 1000 years part at the end ... These days there is so little evidence of Satan being bound that we could be forgiven for believing that we are in the little season when he is set free to decieve even the elect... ie: The moon landings, JFK, Vietnam war, 9/11 big Pharma lies and covid, our world wide corrupt governments working together against the people and the lies about the shape of our earth and space ..... I think there's a good argument that history has been rewritten and we are living in that little season where we are born into a world of lies and deception .... The middle ages sometimes called the Dark Ages could have been the reign of Christ on earth and could actually have been an age of light.

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Paul says in 1 Cor 6:3 that we shall judge angels. The words shall judge is translated from the greek krinoumen and reverse to the process of passing a verdict. It is derived from an archaic greek root meaning "to separate between the valuable and the worthless. Clearly, there is a future event in which we will sit with Jesus Christ and divide the angels into the faithful and the worthless. When does this trial of the angels take place and is it described later in the Bible (hint: it is)

regarding the last question.. I think Hebrew chapter 8+9 might give us further insight. Christs testament, his last will, is valid and active with his death and/or with the destruction of the temple.

If I say something like "man I called you ten times already and you havn't answered!" there is a difference from "I will run Ten miles with you tomorrow". ...We need to always understand context. Within the Context of the 1,000 years is also the description of the 'beheaded' Saints reigning...So, is this figurative as well and the Lord did not raise them up for a time to reign? I did enjoy the interview, but there are many things that need to be addressed. One example is "Could it be we are in the "Little Season" of deception, when Satan has been loosed again to deceive the Nations in the four quarters of the earth? It does not seem like Satan is having any trouble blinding the minds of people or entire Nations for that matter, at this point in History! How does he explain the horrific wars based in Atheistic Philosophy that almost destroyed Europe etc...We have the constant daily battle with the fallen ones and wickedness in High Places...principalities,powers...dominions..and our own flesh...etc. Look at what is going on world wide! We are not in just another time...they are using very evil things (tech.) all around us to damage our bodies, including the constant weather modification etc....Do you understand that Evolution and the Globe Model are a Lie, that they do not align with what Jesus designed. We very well have had history manipulated and revised all around us, we cannot depend on men or for that matter what every Historian says. Do we have to be Biblical Scholars with endless degrees to Understand God's Word? Did God Preserve His Word as he said he would in Psalm 12? What about the FACT that all the ancient prophecies only describe forms of ancient warfare...horses, bows, arrows, shields, swords...etc...This makes me think we are WAY after the Tribulation described in Revelation and the War of Armageddon...even the 1,000 years! We most likely are that generation living in the 'Time of Deception'....the great, great, great...grandchildren of those who did not 'Believe' during the Millennium. Because there IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Bible that describes our form of civilization today...so I'm thinking it can only fit in the "Little Season". I wish with all may heart that All denominations, Thinkers and Believers would come together and address these things...But, everyone always thinks they have the answer...so they stop searching. There are the little people...not scholars...discovering Melted Structures All over the earth (Meltology)...people who are thinking and wondering...while the leaders are saying the same things over and over...and REFUSE to answer simple questions! I study my Bible and this is the best conclusion I can come to, the idea that we are actually living in a time with Christ reigning with a 'rod of iron' just doesn't make sense...Heavenly Jerusalem is removed, now we wait for its return...(I think!)

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Then there is the truth. Historicism the way Daniel teaches it: a sequence of foreign powers (the Gentiles) who occupy Jerusalem sequentially for 2,556 years and 8 months. That is, seven times 365.2 years, where 365 years is both the number of days of the year, rendered as years, as well as the number of years the Solomon Temple existed prior to the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem. Thereafter, the seven times of discipline of the nation of Israel, lasted until June 1967 and the Six Day War. It was then Jerusalem was also reunified / resanctified as the Daniel 8, 2,300 prophecy foretold. The midpoint? AD 689 when the construction of the abomination buildings began on the Temple Mount. The Dome of the Rock and then the al Aqsa Mosque on a wing (level platform) as Daniel stated.

Bruce is one of my heroes. Along with R.C.Spoul, and Jeff Durban. I always felt there was something missing from the futurist concept of eschatology. And the "heaven bound" rapture idea was bunk, a total miscarriage of N.T. exegesis.!!!!!

Thank you Bruce Gore. Your series on Revelation really is spot on. More of both the old and New Testament makes even more sense. It’s a shame so many pastors are misleading the church with false left behind nonsense. The parable of the wheat and tares alone demolishes the pre trib rapture lie. I’m listening to your series on John next. Keep teaching with the Holy Spirit. He’s the one that’s teaching us through people like yourself. Question, how do so many pastors that are high up in Christianity get off track with left behind? McArthur just to name one. They will get in your face and call you deceived.

Gore is in error on the 7 hills. Jerusalem is the city with 7 hills and she is the beast, as well as the whore. I watched Gore a few years and realized he has some errors in his theology. The Book of Revelation was written before 70ad as the temple was still standing. The abomination that causes desolation is the position of the High Priest (the Last one) is whom caused the destruction of the temple. This man Phinnias ben Samuel (son of Samuel) of whom had no Levite bloodline, only the sons of Aaron were allowed to hold that position, He was the anti-christ, the people cast lots for him (took money for him to be in that office), the other priests had to teach him what to do. While he was offering a sacrifice to God all mighty, he was struck dead. No son of Samuel was allowed to be in that office, he was considered illegally a High Priest. From 67ad to 70ad. If one goes backward in time from the 70ad mark, take 3 years off for the Great Tribulation , that it is 66ad, now take off 40 years to allow for repentances' which God tried to turn them back to him and they refused. 66ad minus 40 years, brings us to the year of 26ad the year the Lord was crucified. And it was a Jubilee, scripture gives us the answer, as Christ and his disciples walked in the fields eating the heads of grain, this was allowed through the law, this points to a Jubilee year, besides other proofs. taking the money Judas sold Christ for, we see there is a time of the Jubilee year which there are many clues in the scriptures, Christ was valued by the Priests at 30 pieces of silver which gives way to his actual age, which was 49.7 years old leaving a full 5 months until he turned 50 years old. This makes Christ born in 25bce, when there are signs in the heavens declaring his birth, this same sign was showing for 3 years in the heavens. This is the sign the Maji followed. Follow-up and study this out so others can not call you crazy, these things are all in the scriptures, they all point to Christ................ Blessings

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It's a LITERAL 1000 years. Even Messianic Jews know this. Just because the word "thousand" is used metaphorically Elsewhere in Scripture, does NOT make it a metaphor Everywhere in Scripture. Common sense! The Biblical concept of a thousand years for a day points to a 1000 year rest after a 6000 year work week. There's a tendency to over-spiritualize the specifics and to take Hebraic hyperbole as Literal. It's not just TEXTUAL context, but CULTURAL context that is required. A generation is 40 years. That's the number we should go by because it was EXACTLY 40 years from Jesus' prophecy (THIS generation) up to 70 AD. I don't think this guy is detailed enough -- too conversational and not scholarly enough for my taste. Why do we need to dismiss the dispensations that are clearly in the TEXT?? Darby, Scofield, Ryrie may have made erroneous conclusions with that concept BUT, it IS in the Bible! What Jesus said about the ending of an age and the start of a new age IS "Dispensations" -- that's what the word means! We are NOW in the "Church Dispensation" or "Grace Dispensation." If you want to be critical about Darby, then call it "Darbyism" for crying out loud.

Shame I can't hear it and the sound is ouf of sync 😐