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The TF has quite a bit more taper and is designed to carve. They do have a lot of similarities but in my opinion the TF carves better and has a bit better float in pow.

The Cadet is a little stiffer, they are very similar but the Horizon has a little more torsional flex.

I didn't think it was super stiff and found it a little more playful that other freeride boards that are similar. I would agree with you on it being a medium flex.

We are fortunate enough to get to do extended reviews. Hard to get the true feel for a board in a few runs. The more we rode the Pyzel, the more we liked it.

I wished it was just a bit bigger but it still worked for me. The 155 should be perfect for you. Let us know what you think!

Weight wise, I think you'd be fine. You might find it a bit slow edge to edge with a size 8. That being said you could definitely make it work.

I can’t speak to the Hovercraft but the Pin Tonic really shines in powder. The tail is designed to sink and make riding powder effortless. I had it out on a 4’ day last year and it was incredible. Far less back leg burn than any other board in my quiver.

It’s just a look, the aluminum tip/rail will provide some protection against damage in those areas(someone hitting your tip/tail in the lift line). Great question on the butter-ability. I didn’t have any problem with buttering around or doing tripods. So no issues there.

In theory the design helps maximize effective edge while reducing swing weight and allowing the tail to sink a bit better in powder. Telos has been doing the same thing with a lot of their boards.

Very nice! It's such a fun board to rip around!

is enough soft to press or it has a hard flex?

You will be able to easily go into nose/tail presses with this board, it’s not that stiff.

Great question, it did, I was skeptical at first but it felt solid for park and all mountain riding. If I was going to use board for more freeride and all mountain only I might have gone up to the 157 or 156X for a bit more float. The 153 went pretty fast, I was up over 50 mph easily on terrain that was not that steep.

I find with most Mervin boards, you have to keep them freshly waxed.

Totally agree the TF is a really great board.

welcome to the posi posi club.... no more tail issues!

Thanks for the kind words. I loved this one vs the C2.

@@oldguysriptoo couldn’t even look at it after riding this… Got rid of my T Rice Pro because I just can’t get into C2. Was on a Yes SBBS but I’m trying to keep it nice saving it for powder days as they’re not making anymore.

It a little stiffer and has a fair amount of taper. The banker is better for holding an edge and hauling *ss. Hope that helps?

@@oldguysriptoo it does thanks

The 159 would definitely give you more board. The TF outshines the banked carving, airs and pow for sure. Maybe just go 157 TF?

@@oldguysriptoo think I will go with the Otto 157, not too wide and most people around my weight seem to do fine carving on it. What do you think about no taper for steep technical stuff?

@@paulh725 Otto or TF? Taper has more to do with float and turn initiation. The Otto is pretty soft, you'd prop like the TF better in steeps.

Definitely, being a shorter board, I did on really deep days but the big nose handles pow really well.

Similar in shape, but the TF is softer and more playful. The Banker is hard charger and has to be ridden aggressively. If I had to choose one, I'd go TF. It's a really good all around board, pow, park, carving, air, etc. The Banker is a fun board but on the stiffer side. Hope this helps!

Far more efficient than snowshoes and you'd be surprised how light they are.

@@oldguysriptooi'm often stomping thru deep new snow to get up to a spot to snowboard. "far more efficient" even in new deep snow? cant wait to try them!

@@josepinchero I’ve taken them in pretty deep snow. There’s enough surface area to keep you from sinking. Let me know what you think after trying them.

@@oldguysriptoook! one more ? what about flat traverses? most of us who need an approach ski/snowshoe need to do some amount of flat traverse. for me, i have a hill or two that is close by, one that is a mile away, and one that is 3 miles away. can you use these things for a 3 mile flat traverse? (or is that silly...and you'd need to carry these on your back w/ snowboard and use nordic skis to traverse 3 miles of flat). thanks!

@@josepinchero I have definitely covered some ground on mine. Skis will be far more efficient for the 3 miler, but that's a lot of stuff to haul. That being said, you totally can do 3 miles, just going to take longer not being able to glide as well.

It is a fun board for sure especially for carving, I had a 96 Rippey too, loved that board.

It kind of depends on what kind of skating you are going to do. The Pilsner is more of a cruise around board and maybe pop up or down curbs. The Oso is closer to and 80’s skateboard, suitable for pools, etc.

​@@oldguysriptooThanks I'm actually looking for a cruiser to get to work that is nearby and back and maybe some curving on my off time. Nothing crazy. I'm 40 now. 😊

@@anthonium. you’d be fine with either one The Oso is a little bigger which might be helpful

The Swell would be fun for resort and groomers. Most of the boards in the Cardiff line would be.

@@oldguysriptoo dope. Thanks. Got my in 164 I'm 220 pounds!

Great question, they both are all mountain rippers. I use the FR for banked slalom and it runs fast and smooth, no doubt the Banked Country does too. You can’t go wrong with either, it would depend on whether you like Never Summer triple camber or Gnu C3 and magne-traction. The FR shape is more subtle, while the banked country has more pronounced directional shape.

@@oldguysriptoo Thanks a lot for your fast reply. 👍👍👍 For carving on groomers, will there be any difference between the boards? Thx!!

You bet! As for carving, magne-traction always feels more aggressive to me while carving (faster) while triple camber is not as aggressive (more mellow).

Thx! 👍👊

I have ridden and reviewed the TF. Both are super fun. Where the Pin Tonic really shines is powder, the tail is designed to sink and put you in the back seat, making deep pow effortless. The TF is solid everywhere. Hope this helps some.

Let us know what you think.

Almost time to get em out!

Can't wait. @@oldguysriptoo

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​@@oldguysriptooподойдет она для трассы, скоростных спусков и карвинга?

A few of those I have not ridden. Where do you ride and do you have a preference on rocker vs camber?

@@oldguysriptoo Colorado/Utah only really. NS boards, but curious about going to a camber if it's gonna be a pia learning curve

@@Calisnr It would only take a few runs to get the hang of it. In my opinion the Proto will feel familiar. The Korua's will take a few runs to feel at home but they are such a blast to ride. The Otto is a bit softer but the TF absolutely rips. Holds an edge so well on groomers and has a big nose for max float in powder. Hope this helps?

I’m 6’0”, 195 with size 11 boots. I really liked the 158 and it’s plenty wide so no toe drag. The 161 is another half inch wider so that might be a better option for your bigger boots. Let us know what you think of it!

@@oldguysriptoo I will try the 161 and let you know how it worked out. Thank you 🏂🔥❤️

I decided to go 158, will let you know how it worked after the first runs. 🏂✌️

All depends on which one. Some are pretty aggressive and would be challenging. I think you’d be fine on the Otto or Transition Finder. What are you riding now?

@@oldguysriptoo Thanks so much for replying! I don't currently have a board and am searching for my first. I have went snowboarding for the first time Feb. 2023 and fell in love with it. My rental was a burton (for beginners) board. I was able to connect my turns by the end of the week. I will be returning this year and would like a board that I can grow with.

@@vajona2495 sounds like a great start! If you’re wanting a Korua, I’d go with the Otto. You may also want to look at Never Summer’s Easy Rider, very beginner friendly.

@@oldguysriptoo I will look at that board too. Thanks for the suggestions and advise.

Great choices either way, the Antigravity is a little softer so if you want a softer flex I’d recommend that. Otherwise either board would be a great choice!

It’s really a great board.

That’s a tough one! I really like both of these boards and you can’t go wrong with either. The Otto is a little softer so it probably depends on what you like to ride. If you ride park, I’d probably go with the Otto. If you are riding big mountain steeps, I’d lean towards the Warca.

@@oldguysriptoo which one is easier to ride you think? I'm 40 and status post both knees ACL repair

@@dretjoe both are easy riders but I feel like the chatter from a softer board might bother your knees. I was comfortable on the Warca in just a few turns.

Such a great board 🤙🏻

Good question, you have 8 inserts on the front and six on the back. Take the middle 2 on each ( starting at the 4th on the front and the 3rd on the back) this should give you a centered stance.

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@@oldguysriptoo Thank you!

One of my favorites for sure

No surprises there really as the jones arguably has better base, more of actual, functional camber and less of unnecessary crap on the topsheet.

Yes, indeed. Depending on your riding style, it should be great all over the mountain.

@@oldguysriptoo awesome! Do you know the insert width on the 163 ?

Unfortunately no, the waist is 26.6 so I would imagine at the inserts it’s 28.95

Let us know what you think. It’s been one of my favorites this season.

They are both great options for the type of riding you will be doing, in my opinion I would prefer the ultra for any park riding over the FR. Otherwise I love them both too, and it’s a never summer so it can be ridden most anywhere 😊