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I cannot think of a 100% building game where you build by placing blocks like in minecraft.

Engeneering is a kind of building that can tie into progression, which can tie into both combat for equipment, and building and engenering for blocks. Combat can tie into exploration, by giving you better chances of surviving the venture. The stuff you loot while exploring tie back into progression, and the places you visit can tie into building and engeneering, if you decide to build in that location for any reason.

Engeneering can be extrensicly motivated too, as building farms can be an alternate means of progression.

If you consider that creative mode and modding exsist as a part of Minecraft, I would say it really is a true sandbox, even by your definition. Limiting your play to vanilla survival, at least in singleplayer, is a self-imposed limit, not one imposed by the game! ... That being said, if your playing creative, what your playing kind of seises to be a "game," as there are no conflict, limits, or struggle.

- Minecraft is a building game!!! Proceeds to farm, craft, fight monsters, play minigames, use redstone, and face an eldritch horror

Ultimately, Minecraft is what you make out of it and it obviously has a lot of sub-communities that you cannot use the word, "Community," as a blanket to cover everyone who plays it. For instance, I'm a Builder. I love Creative Mode. I enjoy relaxing, and building up a world in my image every day to see the changes spring up. However, let's not forget that the 1.9 Combat Update was a incredibly controversial change to the whole game as we know it, and for a good portion of players to diverge from it that it ruined PVP in their eyes. Now, am I saying that Mojang has done everything in their power to make engaging content that supports all aspects of play? Probably not. Although, we also must remember that builders got the short end of the stick for years too; there used to be internal limitations on what block sets they can add. Even Mojang had the opinion of, "Limitations inspire Creativity," that only held back what can be possible in Minecraft builds. If we need good will back to the combat/pvp crowd, then Mojang needs to bring all those Jeb_ Combat changes into the game. Unfortunately, that was really put on the back burner despite popular reception.

I don't want to be too harsh as this is a smaller channel and I suspect you read comments, so first of all: your video is well doke, you explain things well, and you enunciate words clearly and your video format is great. So please continue maling video essays :D Now, about the content of the video: Minecraft became wildly popular even during Alpha and Beta versions, when the only RPG element was ugrading from wood to stome, iron, and diamond equipment. There was no enchantments, there was no End, and there wasn't even redstone. The main aspect of Minecraft I building, the entire world is made of blocks, only exception being entities. Everything else is simply added on top of it to make it more interesting

I definitely agree with this video, mostly because it validates my undying hatred for the minecraft building community, but also, less importantly, because I really feel like minecraft's RPG and progression elements have been left BEHIND the last time we got an update to the linear progression was when they added upgrade templates, (which was a great feature, and doesn't deserve the hate it gets) and every time I see anything about improving minecraft's progression, I see people talking about how minecraft is a building game, and that you're missing the point of minecraft by craving better progression from it

If it's just a building/survival game then why does it make me ponder over my existence and meaning of life every now and then, especially when c418 starts playing🥲🥲🥲

i really really disagree with your notion that this would only be a good thing like even just ignoring the people who always complain about any change there are many flaws in these ideas, very notably multiplayer, which you do not address nearly enough just because there are already flawed things about multiplayer (like the dragon egg you mentioned) doesn't mean it is fine to just add more flawed systems also i feel like your like chart of minecraft's current progression is a little flawed, only focusing on the exact earliest you can technically do something, when what should be looked at is the intended point you are supposed to challenge things (things like when the nether is meant to be visited, which is after acquiring diamonds) also the what i presume is a stand in for archeology being listed as a wood progression thing, when it just isn't, copper is only obtainable with stone tools or higher also saying there's only two combat playstyles?? completely ignoring bows and crossbows?? i personally think that your blood moon idea kinda sucks, and suggesting that "just turn it off if you don't like it" as a solution to a not so good feature isn't great (just because phantoms do this doesn't mean making new content work like this is fine) i do think that like the player should have more control over what features are enabled in a world though, things just shouldn't be designed with something like that in mind i really don't think "hard progression" (idk what to call it) really fits into minecraft, like locking things behind getting advancements, or behind bosses (also your "phase 2" is pretty much just terraria hardmode) while there are plenty of good ideas in this video, it has several issues in my opinion

Also I'm pretty sure some people Minecraft is not just a building game.

I already knew is a Sandbox game it definitely said it in the internet from Google Search.

Mojang did add a flower to the pale garden and resin that kind of looks like the creaking eyes(although the resin sadly doesn't generate naturally), the structure you suggest seems cool(although having unbreakable blocks goes against the minecraft design principle) but i would much rather the creaking hart gain the ability to create creaking that are non hostile to player but only to hostile mobs acting as a switchable defense system(hopefully will also work in pvp type scenarios)

i firmly disagree on basically everything sipover and jetstartfish say in their videos, i still think minecraft has problems, but i think their solutions are bad an is missing the point of the game, you may know i commented on your other videos and that's because im interested in honest discussions, but more people should definitely see this video

i disagree with you on some things but first let me list all the things i agree with you on/general props to you 1. you have an actually laid out plan. most people don't 2. yes, Minecraft's progression has room for improvements 3. the ender dragon is indeed not the end of minecraft(although my reasoning for that is different then yours) 4. vanilla minecraft is not really suited for extrorsely motivated players 5. horizontal progression is definitely the way to go for minecraft(although we kind of disagree on what that is) ok and with that out of the way, lets get to what i think you are wrong in 1. most players don't make it to the nether(as shown by the minecraft bedrock achievements stats), late game content, although needed, is not the best way to allocate resources, especially if it is the only thing you are doing 2. minecraft isn't really an open world game like Zelda breath of the wild is, in minecraft when you go exploring a taiga biome for example, you aren't going for an adventure to defat some grand evil like you might be in Zelda, you go to get resources from the biome that are exclusive to that biome, minecraft is for most people about building and creativity and so exploration for new blocks is completely valid in the context of minecraft, this ties to horizontal progression so reed the next one 3. horizontal progression, when you say horizontal progression you mean many ways for the player to progress, when i do i mean progression shouldn't be about better gear or the next monster but the new things you can now do, let me explain, the best example of this in the game is ocean monuments, they don't give any valuable reward for the challenge they are from an externally motivated perspective, but they do from the internally motivated one, prismarine being such a cool looking block in a color we are somewhat missing in the minecraft block pallet(blue) is so valuable to someone like me who likes to put blue and aquamarine as colors in their builds 4. i don't really like the "rebirth" idea conceptually because of various reasons that i wont go into, but i do agree that the overworld being dangerous is an interesting feeling so far to the point when i feel like playing a more externally motivated minecraft i play a modpack that includes a mod by the name of levelz which overalls the progression not by adding to it but by adding more interesting in-between steps(although that modpack also includes an extension of the progression tree, and i don't see or want some of the more game changing mods in it to go into the vanilla game) and im interesting to hear what you have to say about it(the mod not the modpack) generally i think that if you find yourself getting bored of Minecraft's external progression you should try getting into Redstone, building, combat, parkour or whatever else you wanna do(i do all 4 of these things and i often combine them into my survival base, although i play on servers which helps a lot), minecraft gets a lot better when you get to the point of starting a world with the objective of not getting max gear but finding a cool base location

a lie by omition is still a lie(making a mistake is misinformation, purposely lying is disinformation, and mentioning books is not the same as a structure exclusive enchantment), selling minecraft mods is illegal(the mod was not "in beta" before people started calling him out), the video is an add since the mod is behind a paywall, jetstarfish completely missed the point of the game and is rightly being shit on, you really shouldn't' defend him, and you criticize haze for being nitpicky and then proceed to nitpick on his languege, this makes you look disingenuous and i hope you aren't

your argument is simply flawed, the only reason minecraft is still alive is because of the building and Redstone sub-communities which make the vast majority of the player base, most minecraft players never visit the end or log onto a server(that's from the minecraft bedrock achievement stats), the small section of the community that sticks around to talk about it on the internet is not representative of the wider player base and people often forget that, Minecraft's progression is horizontal and that makes it special, this is very easily proven by looking at the most famous minecraft series on youtube: hermitcraft, which is a server which consists of builders and redstoners, minecraft does have survival and rpg elements, buts its not remotely close to those generas, and most importantly, Mojang knows this, that's why almost every update has new blocks and Redstone components but not new gear sets or a survival mechanic to warry about.

Jetstarfish is not just overrated, he’s overrated as F*** in my opinion I mean.

Just fyi, what I mean by “full, true 100% sandbox” is one where you have complete control and can do anything whenever you want. I just wanted to specify this because many different people have different definitions for the word sandbox.

I think ppl misunderstand when others say when they want more "RPG mechanics" because I know when I say it (along with others) don't literally want a leveling system or classes, we want stuff like bosses and for me personally more weapon types (not something especially unique like the mace or trident) something basic that you can craft from the get-go like the sword or axe. I've always wanted more medieval weapons like spears, halberds, daggers, etc. Nothing too major, just stuff that's unique enough to add veriety in gameplay, but nothing that needs unique materials or that can't be crafted.

fair points made. sometimes i just kinda, get annoyed at them adding such… non-emergent or specifically-designed content though. extrinsic catered content is cool, but when it has a very very specific experience designed.. it… feels like mojang is just doing all of the Making of the Experience for me, when that should be both the player *and* developer like, the armadillo and wolf armor. theres a clear way they want you to use the mob. as a copper sink for wolves compare that to wind charges, which have .. no specific clearly defined use, yet a wide variety of uses. they get you THINKING because they just, do something simple but … that can do a lot of things

intrinsically motivated people dont have the same problems as extrinsically motivated people, but its truly incredible to me how many intrinsically motivated people are just telling extrinsically motivated people to just “play it like a sandbox”. not only the lack of understanding, but the lack of caring to understand another’s perspective is just insane. ofc its not all, but its a large amount. also it would be nice if mojang dedicated more than a roach’s middle left leg to redstone and stopped being so overconfident in the idea that they know best in game design. the copper bulb was made entirely useless because of their overconfidence and apathy for their players voices and the crafter got pointlessly nerfed, too.

Eh, I still think Jet's ideas are bad. They feel pretty poorly thought out, like the EXP Vial thingie. It's a really cool idea, but sudo-locking it to the End, which you should have good gear by then, and the End Cities already give out incredible gear, then the EXP Vial only has use when you die. And if Jet feels like the Revovery Compass has no use when you have maxed gear, then the EXP Vial should have no use too. Also melting the Packed Ice in the Nether is really dumb. It's fine in a mod context, but if Mojang added that feature, then thoudands of people would have their hard work ruined overnight. And for what? Making Nether transport more annoying? The ores having different distribution in different biomes are neat, but Minecraft always has ores vary by Y level. Above Deepslate is where you find Iron, Coal and Copper, and below it houses Diamonds and Redstone and the like. These poorly-thought out features are why I dislike his jabs at Mojang. I really dislike it when people who think they know better than Mojang propose poorly thought out ideas like that, which 9 times out of 10 make things harder for people who like building. Also the Sweatshop jokes got really old. Minor point, but still.

The only thing I want to push back on is the idea that progression is extrinsic the only things that are extrinsic motivation (if im understanding it correctly) in this game are the boss fights and achievements everything else by definition is intrinsic motivation since Minecraft doesn’t push/guide you to do anything else so I’d say that Minecraft is specifically an intrinsic motivation game, not saying they can’t add extrinsic motivation things but that the game currently isn’t, although I can understand people thinking that new biomes and dungeons with loot are extrinsic motivation but since the game isn’t pushing you to do it I’d say it still falls under intrinsic motivation but I can definitely understand the opposite views on that (and tbh I’m willing to change stances on that)

Well it is a sandbox, it's just that "sandbox" is all-encompassing. People hear sandbox and think of a literal sandbox with building. Building/decorating itself is the absolute lowest common denominator for any feature. Everyone else: We need more useful stuff Builders: You took my only food, now I'm going to STARVE

For me, building things is the best way to get satisfaction out of the game. I feel like if more people engaged with the creative building aspect, they'd get deeper satisfaction with the game, and perhaps not get as bored with the game - a big complaint with Minecraft lately. Heh, I even enjoy building in Creative from time to time. I enjoy other aspects of the game, I'm always excited to explore because imagining what I could create on these landscapes is exciting. I always have fun going through caves and gathering all the ores in the cave, and completely lighting it up. Most of my buildings have some sort of function, even if that function is just storing animals or Cherry Leaves. I'm also an artist, so there's that.

I think the problem comes from people wanting to simplify things, and they try to say that "Minecraft is just <insert something here>" , which is just impossible, I think even the broadest "MC is just a game" is incorrect, since it is also a platform for people to connect, and create

I think we’re making a category-error, sandbox games is about freedom, we can’t attribute any individual game mechanics to the overarching concept of freedom. In Sandbox games, players are often given an open world to explore and interact with, allowing them to create their own experiences and objectives rather than following a linear storyline. This freedom can include building, modifying the environment, and experimenting with game mechanics.

more about your whole youtube thing - i took what i believed to be the best direction and make nicely edited videos that arent just overstimulating brainrot. one of my main things is that the set smoothly and seamlessly transitions to another and i only use cuts for comedic or dramatic effect. the response i got was very positive, but then again maybe i was just developing my style.

People are getting really fired up in the comments lol

If Minecraft is boring, what bothers anyone about it? There are countless MODs and texture packs to make the game suitable for your taste. Or I did it, I created it myself and it's often just little things that make the game attractive again.

Well I was not expecting such extreme reactions to this video lol. I see many people acting like I’m taking sides here. I’m not. What I’ve done is run through the sides of the argument, debunk some misinformation, and apply critical thinking with neutral judgement to each side. Then we had the final result of that at the end. I’m not siding with anyone here, hating on this is literally just hating on the process of analyzation and critical thinking. If anything, this says a lot about the entire situation and the Minecraft community in general. Don’t shoot the messenger. And please actually watch the video before leaving some angry comment defending Hayze with misinformation that I already debunked in the video.

Nah I agree with Hayze… Jetstarfish honestly was far more disrespectful, skipped over many facts, and like his comment; treated his word like law. His implementations were very little for a mod worth 8 bucks (ntm technically selling it illegally) I don’t think he deserves all this hate but it’s pretty warranted from how much he disrespects the game devs as well. And don’t put Hayzes argument in a bottle by saying it was practically only a complaint bout an enchantment book 😂 there’s lots of flaws with his video

I feel like the mc community has been been annoyed by the hate mojang and the game itself has been getting, and all that built up, general anger, came down on jet as a community scapegoat

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You know what, now I want to make the same channel as yours where I state stupid opinions like that and get free views. Thank you for inspiration 🙏

One thing I will say... Really? We're still going at it?

The people mentioning the EULA like it’s the bible make me want to blow a fuse; yes! It’s probably not allowed by Microsoft’s rules, why are you trying to defend the rules the Billion dollar company has set up!?

yes actually

this has to be a bait channel, diabolically bad takes ☠

My god, you one sided biased people are getting out of hand

Do you guys want me to continue this style for covering Minecraft community drama - calmly giving a rundown of what happened, debunking misinformation, analyzing things, and in the end painting a clear picture?

It's pretty bad, but not really the absolute worst thing. None of his ideas were bad (except making the Ancient City rarer and locking the map behind the Ender Dragon) The paywall wasn't too bad either, but the mod was way too small to really warrant it.

Yes. Next question.

Yes

Also, weird way you're completely and utterly strawmanning the hayze's argument, as if all of their argument boiled down to ONE enchanting book, when it didn't, there are a lot of thorough explanations as to why they think Jet is in the wrong. It's also really weird that you act like the hayze has some personal vendetta against Jet, which isn't true, and not a reason to disregard the video entirely if it was

Why are y'all acting like the mod being paid was the ONLY problem people had with it. People had a problem with it because the point of the entire video was to sell a mod, not to actually fix a problem Jet saw in the game. He deliberately avoids talking about very crucial aspects to make his points, and uses comedy to play off the fact that he's constantly lying.

His video is alright, "but the video is an ad" - it is free now and don't pretend like the same people don't defend the marketplace. I disagree heavily with the Minecarts section though its okay if they are not realistic.

There are literally so much other channels that do the same thing systmezee is a good example

the jetstarfish video is a pile of jumble information, but is not a bad thing, is lazy, a money suscription for a mod that is bearly noticeable on game play, if it wasn´t for the copper rails or the sculk vile, (and promoting it like a new thing never seen beafore , even tho sculk blocks exist as portable xp is just more convinent ), when other proyects like alex caves are free or even hole mod packs like rlcraft o create, so is a pretty weak mod that in my opinion only works for a play style yet dosen´t really do anything to prove its point, like alex mobs is for those who like to have more animals, dungeons and tavers is for those who want more vanilla structures, and many others, jets mod is a midiocre mod, not bad, not good is just the minimum and when presenting your work as a solution to one of minecraft biggest flaw yet doing bearly anything on a deeper level, and then making a video saying that whit the mod all of the problems are solved, (other wise making better the game) is UNDERSTANDABLE the actitude yet not JUSTIFIABLE the reaction, like the video respond on hazes part, is full or hyperbole, thats more of a IF my word come stronger (by being more agressive insted of assertive) then my arguments are stronger, wich is not the case, but in my eyes hazes video all tho more "agressive" have more points on favor than the work that jet put on the video and the mod. sorry for the wall of text