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DCT = Drum Corps Treatment. Great stuff forever.

Having marched a dot system and now a spectator, I think the pro’s out weight the cons. Drill wise, you can do harder drill. As a fan, I loved watching BD. I’m a massive BD fan but I’ve never seen them do intricate drill because of their system. I’m not bashing them, they’ve found what worked for them. I fell in love with DCI in 2003. Having watch BD, Cadets, Cavies, Boston, Phantom at Finals that year. Drum Corps is suppose to be hard. I want to see shit that says “damn that was dangerous” lol. Unfortunately with the evolution of Drum Corps and an excessive amount of theatrics, it’s ruined the drill aspect which to me is what I love to see. Just my opinion. -Cadets Alumni

1988 was such a special year for me. I graduated from high school, went to West Chester, made the snareline as a Freshman & just kept cooking from there....These shows are special because of them being that year.

7:57 good one

Regarding the young Cadet who was murdered- they very likely had a sexual relationship, and presumably the murderer wanted to cover it up…due to LGBT lifestyles obviously not being very accepted at the time. Source: I am a Caballero alumni and a Cadet alumni. Have spoken to several older alumni about this incident.

The reason for 2 not 3 valves as explained to us by our program coordinator, arranger, and sometimes composer (Robert W. Smith, Suncoast Sound): With two valves you're unable to play a full chromatic scale until you're in the upper register, so the bugles were not 'legitimate' instruments. That meant that arrangements of existing IP did not require payment of royalties to ASCAP, reducing drum corps cost. We played Dynasty 2 valve bugles; I marched 1981-1986, on 2nd baritone for a year and then 1st bari from 82 on. Around 1984, people consistently told me I was the loudest player they ever heard. Going by how the field judges started to recognize and run away from me, that sounds believable enough.

Love the content you have been making! You are right to capture and tell the history of DCI through this channel, and doing your best to give factual information however and wherever possible. Keep up the great work!

watching this before auditions this year, and I'm kinda nervous that both you and darrel will likely be there. Both of you taught me in hs.

Hi from Canada. Our dues in 1976 for a local corps were $45 (I paid it in full and then we folded in the spring). I remember being gobsmacked when I heard that Toronto Optimist charged $100. The big corps we thought would be around forever are now folding and struggling - we need affordable drum corps in local area circuits if this activity is going to survive. Expecting it to return to the days when there was at least one corps in pretty much every city, sometimes 3 or 4, is unfortunately unrealistic. We can dream, though...

Thx for this great video. I never marched corps, but am an old high school marching band guy from back in the day. I go back and watch the Scouts '88 show a couple of times per year, at least -- and I don't know anyone who wouldn't put it in their top 5 or at least 10 fav dci shows of all time. Even watching it on video gives me the shivers; I can't imagine having been there to see it live. I mean, the Blue Devils' closer that year was crazy-good, too. It was just such a good year for corps, overall.

The first Corp to perform usually getting low scores sounds like a judging problem. Where judges ever looked at closely?

A few things... First - this was an excellent analysis, thank you, you just got yourself a new sub. Second, since I first marched in the late 1960's when there was no such thing as a dot book, form was the only method available, and I was taught drill with on field instructions like "OK snares, from here go straight down the 50 to, uh, around where that leaf is lying on the ground." I have to chuckle when you're comparing 2003 Cavies to "the modern era", but that's just me, I'm old - nearly 70, in fact but still teaching. Third, and why I came here, is that for the first time in my life I'm writing not just the music but the drill for an indoor high school drumline with limited experience. I just got Pyware Basic and am struggling with the intricacies, but have completed a drill. HOWEVER - we don't have our own tarp and the one the circuit supplies for competitions has nothing - just a plain old tarp. So I'm thinking we give the kids the coordinate sheets as a guide as needed, but after the initial first set, we teach to form. I'd love your thoughts on all this, please.

I recently did this on one of my old trumpets, and it came out great!

A year late, but this was a GREAT video! I was in high school when this show was out and I was in marching band at the time. I absolutely LOVED their show that year. At that time, it felt so raw and the music score was BEAUTIFUL. I tend to only enjoy openers and closers but when a show gets me with an opener, BALLAD and closer, it's a win in my book. Their drill WAS IMMACULATE. Of the 2014 season, Blue Coats, SCV and Boston got me good.

I marched dci in 2000 when the Bb horns were first used. There was a huge difference in sound. We used G horns. The G horns really played well at mf and up. Soft volume on them really drops off tonally. That's the sound old schoolers miss.

Bent leg just looks so goofy imo

You certainly gave me a lot of flashbacks! Most notably what we called "fratsnapping" or what you called African snapping. I forgot where I had learned it until you reminded me it was a dci thing, and I remembered the year I marched I put a lot of effort into learning how to do it.

I love drum corps but warming up in someone front yard is just wrong. They should have been issued a citation and the instructor reprimanded. That’s not an accident. That’s a drum instructor being an egotistical A-hole

Oh man… warming up a drumline in someone’s front yard??? That instructor should have been fired. That’s just pure insanity. He knew what he was doing.

Corps members: "Wait... you guys are getting paid?"

13:51 curious if any photos have been leaked

36:00, Six Flags ride operator here: we also use Squincher during the hot summer days, at least at my park. Not sure about the other theme parks. I had no idea Squincher was also popular amongst DCI kids haha

31:21 you fail to mention the aspect of color guard (which i dont blame u for). Color guard terminology and technique very from east coast to west coast. For example, the angle of a shoulder hip is steeper on the east coast, proper techinque for catching a sabre is different: one catches a standard sabre toss with the right hand much closer to the hilt on the west coast compared to the east coast, along with much more

Unfortunately DCI has gone downhill since since then. I don’t like all the props and dancing around the color guard is doing these days. Doesn’t dance teams have their own competitions. Bring back the military type precision rifle lines.

I should have read all the replies first. My best memory of 1988 was in Sevierville, TN. There was a thunderstorm that hit the show site during warmups. SCV and Madison took shelter in the schools gymnasium. I remember the corps played parts of their shows for each other. Then the horn lines combined and played Never walk alone.

My high school uses a is a combination of form and dot because we march so that we are in form but we still have dots for every set but we prioritize staying in form.

Well done, sir! I learned lots

Wow, the editing at 11:58 where the dot drill is superimposed upon the live formation and Zingalis statement is such a beautiful moment and tribute❤ Thank you Zingali🙏🤘🫡 🎶 ❤

8:32 2024 2nd place 🥈

Funny how 12 top European soccer teams recently tried to pull the same stunt by creating a European Super League. There was so much fan outrage, the teams all quickly backtracked.

Mr. Seneca is the goat

This was my era of drum corps. “A Zingali drill” was a common phrase.

It's crazy looking at this post 2024 season where the fees are now upwards of 6k. I did all my calculations and it's looking like $7000 for my 2025 season.

watching post-2024 season and can now disprove the Blue Devils stairs and ladders theory 2024: has stairs- 3rd place

My perspective as someone from Cadets 2007.... When we marched into the field in the block, I personally wasn't looking at anything but the person in front of me, until the block was on the field and we set up for the show. My dot was all the way out on the 10 yard line and it was clearly visible. So I stood and faced backfield without thinking much else except the show. Then I saw everyone looking towards the center, so I looked, saw GH commenting about the yard lines and hashes. Gradually, everyone started to line up the block again, and as the drum major called standby, the boos began, and continued as we marched off the field. The corps had never been ready to blow it away that night after the previous 3 days of intense rehearsing, but I could feel that the delay threw everything off schedule for us. But for the most part, I feel as if we understood why we didn't march until they redid the lines and hashes. So we just did our best to perform prelims in front of a dissatisfied crowd. Afterwards, the corps didn't even leave the parking lot until maybe 1am because GH was trying to get the penalty reversed (which was successful).

i think my school marches dot or die i stay withe the low brass (in general)

What a pointless video. Exactly who all has debated whether Scouts deserved to win? You and a few friends? I was there. Madison owned prelims and finals hands down. The vast majority of the crowd agreed wholeheartedly. Screw your nitpicky analysis.

No midsets?

Why did the blue pokemon ball appear randomly in the background

I have not played trumpet in decades, but I correctly guessed the two G-Bugles in the blind test, but transposed the Bb Cornet and Bb Trumpet, in my guesses. I guess that is evidence supporting what most of us have always opined: the G-Bugles sound VERY noticeably different than the Bb "band instruments."

Dot or die all the way. Every group I've ever been a part of has marched dot, not form. In fact, I wasn't even aware that marching form was even a thing. I'm responsible for knowing and hitting my dot on time, and that's all there is to it. Marching form just seems so "loosey-goosey" to me, if you'll pardon the phrase lol This is just my personal preference though. If you prefer marching form, then I say to each their own. But you're wrong. lol

Me during this video: "I know, I know, I know..." Also, ngl, that 2023 Crown Baritone 3DS cam pissed me off. I was really wanting a horn cam to learn the music and he put that out. Normally, it would be funny to me, but I was not amused because there were no other baritone cams posted at the time and it took a long time before another baritone finally posted a decent cam. In the end though, I am grateful that they post these things at all because I know they don't have to. Also also, why skip For Holy Name Shall Always Be?

Great video!!! I marched with the Sky Ryders in 1987 and played a King K-90 GG Contrabass bugle. Here are some interesting facts about our prototype contras from a drum corps planet post- "And now for a short history of the King K-90 GG Contrabass Bugle. Many of you are unaware of the impact that this fine old instrument had on DCI hornlines back in the heady days of the early 1980's. All of the information is based on memories. So some of it might be off a bit. If anyone here knows more or can make corrections to this tale, then add to the thread, by all means! All of the following was from a thread that I joined one day on my favorite tuba and euphonium BBS. I was searching the archives there today and stumbled across my old words. I thought they might make a nice post for the DCP community. I will post in the DCA section since I am in a Senior Corps (and hoping that we earn DCA membership soon) and because there are few in the world of DCI that would remember how revolutionary these contras were at the time that they first made it onto the field (1981). ******************************* The K-90 started as a set of eight King 2341 tubas purchased from Dennis Fisher (now asst. band dir. at UNT) at Hutchinson High School in Kansas. These tubas were bought by the Sky Ryders in 1980 and sent to the King factory to be made into a prototype GG Contrabass with the then-new-ish two piston configuration. I am unsure whether this R&D project was part of a deal between Rainbow Boosters and the King company, but the Ryders ended up with a full set of new Kings for the other sections as well. The corps first showed up with these new horns in the summer of 1981 and blew everyone away with the sound quality, which was excellent when compared to the Olds and Dynasty "instruments" everywhere else. The problem was that these instruments were prototypes. That means that each one was very different from the other. Pistons were at differing angles, braces were in different places, and the bows were wrapped by hand, leading to differences in height of nearly two inches from horn to horn. But they all played MUCH better than any other contra made at the time, and were the only alternative to the Dynasty hegemony (unless you wanted late-1960s Olds Ultratones and Duratones). I played on several of the Blue Devils contras in 1984. They were from the first production run of the K-90 in 1982, and they were mediocre compared to ours. They were lighter and smaller, and the 9" half-step throw slide (while having a better stop) did not function properly. Don't get me wrong; that first production run produced some very nice horns. But ours were just a bit better. I believe that this was because the tubing used from the old 2341 tubas was thicker than that used in the newer bugles, as was some of the hardware. Ours were just heavier, which can make for a little bit darker tone color. Our eight prototypes were also heavier, had better intonation, and made a much more even sound. Larry Kirschner liked the functionality of our Ab (half step) slides and used to write for it a lot. You can see the things moving in and out in some videos from that period. The introduction of the King K-90 GG Contrabass Bugle marked the first time that a tubist could march in DCI and feel that he or she was playing a musical instrument rather than a "bugle". These eight instruments totally changed the way directors outfitted horn lines, helping to start the trend towards the modern, full-bottomed, warm sound that we all strive for today. These eight bugles helped push the mostly neglected "bottom" into the foreground. Up to that time, sections were mostly 6 players (or fewer) and were relegated to using really lame horns well after two piston horns were legalized (new contras will always cost "too much" for many corps). The incredible potential of outdoor, non-amplified brass sound became much more interesting after the introduction of these wonderful instruments. Corps began to shy away from thin or ratty sounding pea-shooters, realizing that a solid floor really helps a line's sound and impact. After the Sky Ryders introduced the original eight K-90 contras to the corps world, the Blue Devils showed up with them in 1982. I believe that that set of eight instruments were the very first production version K-90's ever sold. From that point forward to today the trend towards better balance and warmer tone started, culminating with Star using 16 K-90's in 1992. (Okay, my memory is a bit foggy here, but I am pretty sure of the number and the year - just not totally sure. PLEASE correct me if you know better!) The K-90 changed the way that horn lines sounded forever. The 1981, 17th place Sky Ryders opened that door on the DCI telecast. (Remember? It was the DCI Midwestern Championships that year, and not DCI itself because of some problem about it being in Montreal. The Ryders did not make finals - BUT - they were the first corps off of the starting line on the telecast from Whitewater.) I personally chose to march with SR because of the sound of the line and their very cool-looking horns that made such a big, round sound. Everyone else just seemed to be blasting on my cheap tv/boom box setup that I wired together just for the show. Those Kings were monsters. And I am very glad to own one. (I just wish that I could have one of the eight prototypes that I marched with so long ago.) If you were a member of the Sky Ryders contra section from 1981 up until they folded, then you too played on a bugle that was important to the history of drum corps." Sorry for the long post, but I thought you might find this information interesting! Keep up the good work! ❤️🙏🏻👋🏼

I will go to my grave believing that 87-89 should've been SCV/SCV/PR

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And I loved every second of being in the color guard for this show 😌

2008: The hardest thing in 2008 was having John have us all together(horns) and tell us in the morning before leaving for finals that Phantom bought 45 to the 45 seats. Went on to tell us the fact they all had been instructed when in the show to stand and cheer and was warned we were most likely going to need to step it up. I can tell you I did play something I fully regret at the end of the all corps and John ran up asking, " is that how you're going to end your season". I don't want to bring up what happened next but was not good. There isn't a single recording of what I played to this day as the videos all cut right before I play the line. Drama you might want to find is 2008 regional of I think it was Alamo.....only half the corps started. 2007: The field was fine and honestly hearing George ask for the field painting based on what he saw with the weather app.

thank u for uploading even tho i saw this just now i hope to go to finals next year so bad :/