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@@JackLavine can you please explain

@@Skavop All good 😊

@jamesgregory4104 what is lie?

May allah teach you respect or I will.

😂 thanks for the compliment. Would love to know more of the Aristotelian attitude towards Islamic teachings.

@@Skavop I just watched RUclips commentary on your experience with JCs. Thank you so much for being brave and helping to expose their tactics 🙏

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol You're most welcome.

She's gone, there is nothing for me to let go of. While I live in hope that she will come back one day, the reality is this cult leader is one of the most controlling and domineering personalities out there. My pain and grief are motivators to help raise awareness to others. Many families and individuals suffer at the hands of cult leaders and coercive control every day. "Letting go" without action enables perpetrators to continue their oppression of others. This is not just about my daughter and I, it's about a society that tolerates this type of behaviour.

@@dynamitharry9031 Yes! it is male who determines the gender, and they provide half a person’s genetic material. 23 chromosomes come from the female and 23 chromosomes from the male.

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol Yes, but there is a logic to it. Recessive genes and so on. It´s not random. Anyway, Gold video. Also now I understand why magicans use a wand, as it symbolizses a penis. Projecting the creative thought, and the female is the chalice, or the creative force manifested. As idea shapes the world we experience.

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol Yes, but there is a logic to it. Recessive genes and so on. It´s not random. Anyway, Gold video. Also now I understand why magicans use a wand, as it symbolizses a penis. Projecting the creative thought, and the female is the chalice, or the creative force manifested. As idea shapes the world we experience.

Yes, he combined it did a lot of work of compiling it, albeit there were others involved in the decision making process. He then translated it into Latin. Several versions of the NT were written between 80-325. The process of deciding which ones would make the cut and which ones would be declared heretical was quite a long process. Quick 13 minute didn’t have the time to mention every detail.

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol Umm, you don't understand that there was no "compiling" by Jerome.. he literally translated one book at the time. And there were no multiple NTs written since it is not a single book but a collection of already existing books. So someone talking about "multiple NTs written" is laughable. And as I already said there were many translations prior to his and they translated the same books. If you are talking about gnostic gospels those are blatantly inauthentic and written over multiple centuries, and that is why they were rejected.

@ You obviously believe Constantine preserved the most accurate, perfect version of Christianity. You’re free to do so. I don’t believe that. Prior to Constantine legalising Christianity, countless versions of the Jesus narratives were burned by Roman leaders. They were not all Gnostic.

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol And it just so happens that all these alternative (let's call them that) gospels that we do have are dated by scholars from 2nd all the way to 5th century. If these hold weight, how much more do the canonical ones hold it. Anyway, believe what you want, but try to not misrepresent basic facts of history in your work.

@ these alternate gospels were burnt so don’t know what was in them. The whole point of the video was to point out that there was a lot of coercive control in the early church. I actually suspect the first canon was made because semen was considered to be a spiritual substance. Will touch upon that in my next video.

Rock on y'all... Peace ❤❤❤

The ancients still considered eunuchs to be less than full or true "men". They were a "third gender" category. Matthew 19:12 clearly states that Jesus approved of those "eunuchs who have castrated themselves for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven", with the bold exhortation: "Anyone who can accept this, let them accept it!"

My apologies for the mispronunciation of Alexander (I’m human). The council formed under Constantine was, in my view, a bias selection of Christian representatives, eg., no deaconesses. I believe the castration rule of self castration had more to do with upholding Roman values of masculinity than anything else. Also very odd that it was encouraged in some scriptures. Those dates you’ve cited for the compiling of the testaments are inaccurate - Dan McClellan goes into details of this in his videos. Inquisitions, burning at the stake, and excommunication were not “light” procedures. Simply moving to the next town was devastating for some, like Dante who lost his family when excommunicated. Thanks for your comment and questions.

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol No problem about the ptonounication but thrre was no deaconesses as the Church is patriachal. Castration is actually forbiddne under Deuteronomy 23:1 as removal of sexual organs is forbidden. The dates I provided those are supported bt scholars and if you may link me source I'd be happy to watch it to see further into your opinion to keep this a balanced and civilized debate between us. Although, I should of explained my view on the inquisistions further. My view is based off what the people of the time thought, which is that they biewed them as too soft--of course today we see it as harsh as we view it from modern standards and periodical standards. Of course moving is hard and I get it that but it was possible for those, that is what my statement meant. Thank you for your reply, Lord bless you.

@ Thanks for being open to alternative perspectives. Junia is one of the most documented examples of a female apostle, and deaconesses were known among early Christianity. These women’s stories were been diminished under the age patriarchal version that Constantine facilitated. I can totally appreciate why castration was forbidden, and that it is mentioned in Deuteronomy. Still, I think it’s nuances raise some interesting questions. Dan McClellan is very prolific on RUclips, you shouldn’t have much difficulty finding his channel.

Really? How, when, why were white women put on a pedestal and told they were allowed to effect the discourse?

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol exactly what you're doing right now dumbass..... i take that back... please dont falsely accuse me of some heinous crime.... i dont want to be lynched

@@kiriafernandez2254 thank you 🙏. I don’t want anyone to go through this, that’s why I’m sharing my story. It’s good to know someone is listening.

Indeed, there are many extenuating circumstances and nuances.

@@taliakelly554 so do I! But there is absolutely no research on the top. And I don’t know how the research could be done since the men who did this to themselves would not have considered it as transitioning in the same sense as our modern understanding.

​@@recoverfromcoercivecontroldoes the rule only apply to men? if someone didn't see themselves as a man would they be allowed to do it?

@ I’m not sure what you’re asking. Female sexuality was not considered as important as men’s in the ancient world.

yeah right thats why they did it lol

​@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol i'm asking if trans woman were allowed. like in biblical times some eunuchs were considered a separate gender and it may have been acceptable for them to become eunuchs

Thank you 🙏

I rate some Christian groups as 0/10, others a 10/10. This particular video is about Constantine’s version of Christianity. Like I say in the video, I rate the modern Catholic Church as a 4/10. Christian women before Constantine had more rights than after. The Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans called for an end to child sacrifice long before Christianity was even established (eg., one of the reasons the Roman’s justified the Punic wars and the - which ironically included the slaughter of children - was because Carthage was a place known for child sacrifice). Abuse comes from power structures that dominate and oppress people. Any ideology is capable of coercive control, including Christianity. Check out my website if you want to see how broadly I’ve researched.

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol i got ya, ill tune in in the future for sure!

Women suffragists fought for women’s rights, some were Christian, some not. Women’s suffrage occurred male suffrage succeeded in achieving the right for all men to vote, prior to that only the rich who owned land could vote. Yes some Christians demanded an end to slavery, other Christians demanded slavery remain because it was approved of in the Bible. The Romans stopped child sacrifice before Christianity was invented. The Greeks and the Hebrews were totally appalled by the Phoenicians behaviour in that regard too. Definitely prefer to live in today’s world, where I’d rate the modern Catholic Church a 4/10. You may be interested to know that during the Middle Ages and renaissance, Islamic women had more rights than Christian women. It’s a shame they’ve gone backwards, Islam is supposed to be a peaceful religion. Things change when people like myself have the courage to speak up about power structures. I’m playing more video that expose this dynamic in other ideologies. Perhaps if you watch those you’ll get a better idea of where I’m coming from. You might learn a few new things about history too.

Islam has not gone backwards at all, Muhamed speaks on how much adultery allah has predestined you to commit, he tells his soldiers that they can and should rape captive women and slaves, but that you have to temporarily marry them for the night or day. muhamed activley calls to kill apostates. you have some good points about things, but are far off the mark on others. so where Jesus says anyone of you who divorces his wife exeecpt on the ground of immoral sexuality commits adultery himself. muhamham says that you gotta have three good reasons. Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam has always spread by conquest and force i wasnt only speaking on the romans with child sacrifice, who officially outlawed it in 97CE how about Carthage a few hundred miles away lol, how about the rest of europe and the americas. did you know that modern tortilla soup is based on Aztec Human soup? i mean, im talking about rights as in God says to treat her like your own body being kind protecting and respectful, not some nebulous thing like voting or earning power. women rights go TOTALLY against ANYTHING that was happening 2000 years ago. sure maybe a Woman CITIZEN of rome would have been protected from the most extreme abuse, but there was no sytematic protections available. I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about how even most men couldnt vote. its not a god given right to vote, thats governance and outside of the scope of this conversation. oh yeah christianity ended the viking brutality as well do one for the secular state we live in too with its dogmas like evolution, deep time, uniformitarianism, humanism and again child sacrifice. and how you get ostracized for not pushing the unassailable narrative i subscribed though, i disagree with a lot of what you said but i respect your right to say it and its food for thought

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol i am not talking about your right to vote, which is granted by men. im talking about your right to not be treated as property by your husband which would have been the default at any point in history prior to christianity. thats weird of you to say that ..."Christians Demanded" No, Lady, "slave owners" demanded. i mean cmon have like an ounce of grace. you and i both know the slavery described in the bible is not anything compared to the slavery of the 20th century, and nothing compared to the most barbaric and longest running of slavers i dont think a person like you would be able to understand, but people outside of a household in ancient times died. they needed to the protection of a patriarch. you are standing on tip of the top of human morals (that christians built) and projecting back thousands of years your current morals, which is cray cray You are right, the romans put into law in 96BC that there were to be no child sacrifice. Carthage. North America. As far as your laughable claim about Islam being a religion of peace and of islam being better for women, Muhamed married a 6 year old girl. muhamham says there is a prescribed amount of adultery men will commit, muhamham says that you can rape your captives if you marry them first, he says that it doesnt matter what you do on earth you go to heaven or hell based on allahs prejudgment. there is an active call to kill apostates. islam spread primarily through warfare. i could go on, woman. Do you have a spine?

@@nelcorazs the legacy of Castrato is quite shocking. Poor parents would sometimes have the procedure done (illegally) to their sons so as to financially profit off their singing careers.

Again, thank you for adding clarity. I would argue that the legend of Alexander being "of a virgin" is still accurate. His mother's conception being by Zeus parallels Mary's legend of conceiving from God. Many early Christians did not believe she was a virgin, this notion was canonised by the Nicene council.

@@str.77 Thank you for adding that clarification which I agree, I did skim over. My understanding is that there was a culture within the 16th century Church that appreciated the sounds of Castrato so much that some poor parents organised for the procedure to be done to their young sons (through illegal means) in order to benefit financially off their singing career. (If women were permitted to sing in the choir Castrato may not have been so popular or necessary.) The fact that the Church allowed this practice to manifest is quite shocking.

It should also be noted that castration was only illegal in Rome and/or of Romans, and was permitted in other nations around the Mediterranean (eg. the Mesopotamian region). It could be argued that the Church was being compassionate towards men who had this barbaric procedure done to them against their will. Still, the fact that the council of Nicea mentions self-castration as their first canon raises many questions regarding how and why this was the case. Moving forward in time, the mechanisms of the Church that facilitated the illegal castration of young boys, as was the case of Castrato, is disturbing. These are, of course, minor details in respect to the video being about raising awareness of how Christianity as we know it today was established. To which examining the events surrounding the Nicene council (and subsequently, the creation of the Bible) are important issues to discuss.

you know why it was the case, you said so in your video, that for centuries cults would do that. it seems like you think the church was okay with it right up until the official de whatever the word is

@@GhostScout42 I’m not sure if I explained myself clearly. High priests in the cult of Cybele did it to demonstrate devotion to “The Mother of all Gods” (this cult started in Phrygia and was then introduced to Greece, and then Rome). The practice was done under for various reasons in other places, sometime religious based (purity ideals), sometimes to maintain hierarchical structures (eg., . It was done by some early Christians as a means of preventing lust and adhering to an ascetic lifestyle. I’m making two points in this video 1. The fact that the first canon addressed this their council meeting is interesting (and makes me wonder how common the practice was). 2. The first council meeting set down a lot of dogma and harsh penalties for disagreeing with that dogma, which resulted in a shift away from more peaceful expressions of Christianity, hence it became more cultic. I think I may have skimmed over some details. Will probably make another video that fleshes out all the points in more detail.

Surprise surprise a propaganda video isn't well researched

That is definitely a strong fear and intimidation tactic!

The persecution card - that’s a can of worms! Definitely highlights the nuances and complexity of the word “cult”. As a thought experiment, if the twelve criteria were applied to the Imperial Roman cult and other pagan communities of the first three centuries, I’d predict they used higher levels of coercive control than Early Christians.

Would be a good idea for future videos to deep dive into certain sects of Christianity to pick apart their cultish behaviors and beliefs as well, great quality video for a new channel by the way! (Edit: I just saw your other videos, looks like you’re already doing that) as I Christian I would encourage the dissection of other sects and such because it’s so vast the denominations and while Christianity itself was not inherently a cult it makes it very easy to sell an actual cult by co-opting an actual religion.

Thank you for such a wonderful comment! I’m definitely not interested in criticising anyone’s beliefs systems. I’ve met many beautiful Christians and have been involve with some really loving communities, but if any group of people use coercive behaviours then that’s not okay! On my website I’ve analysed a few different groups (including different Christian denominations) using the same criteria that’s in this video. You may want to check it out 😀

Thanks for the encouragement to continue 😀🙏. Totally agree, Christianity is not supposed to be a cult religion and it’s a shame so many groups weaponise the teachings. It’s the same for Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, New Age, etc. All peaceful religions at the core but when lead by narcissists can inflict harm.

Are you referring to Christianity before of after Constantine. If before, what sect?

What truth? What sect of early Christianity do you follow?

Finish the video brother, I’m a Christian and she never calls us a cult at all, she actually labels us at a pretty low scale ❤ don’t judge a book by its cover, titles on RUclips are meant to get your attention by being controversial

well your comment is exactly why people call it a cult. No information or fact outside of your church can change what you think about the "truth"

@@TanNguyen-tz8tk did you watch the video and understand my definition of cult with little c and big C?

Only the gentiles?

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol yes. It was created by those others after all. Who wrote the Torah, which says to lend but not borrow, and that the law will go forth from Zion( owo enslavement)

I’m not entirely sure what you’re referring to, so my apologies if this response isn’t an accurate response. I don’t think the Jewish ever intended Christianity to be a means of enslaving gentiles. The Romans, on the other hand were masters at deconstructing theology and weaponising it to control the masses - I touch upon this in my next video.

Thanks for your comment! Questioning what the Constantine (or the Nicene Council under directions from Constantine) removed from Christianity is definitely an important thing to consider. I believe one of the first canons ever written was that priests should not self castrate! (Not sure how many were doing this but I suspect Christianity was already been influenced by other religions, like the Cult of Cybele, even before Constantine’s time.) What are your thoughts on the idea that cults, at their core, aren’t really about the specific dogma they claim to follow? Instead, they seem to be primarily about control-often including financial exploitation as a key element. Broadening the definition in this way could mean that certain political parties, both historically and in the present, might also be seen as cult-like. I’d love to hear your perspective on this broader view of what defines a cult 😃

@@recoverfromcoercivecontrol Forgive my tardy reply. I was watching some videos about the formation of Christianity as a political ideology from the collapse of the ancient world. It seems there were five different branches of Christianity and the one that won was a continuation of the Roman Empire or debt-based slavery as opposed to previous civilizations where debt was forgiven. When local oligarchies enslaved populations with debt then societies collapsed, which is exactly what we're seeing now. I see you're in Australia. I'm from the USA, which shapes my point of view since the US$ is the weapon of choice or weapon of control if you will of the global elite. If you look at history, you can certainly see how women in particular have been exploited as free labor using religion as a pretext. Patriarchy and its gods are vehicles for imperialism and its lesser spawn colonialism and capitalism. The odd thing is that if you asked the majority of my compatriots about the USA being a violent empire, they would deny it and also the fact that empires always collapse. So there's an element of projection, denial and justification wrapped up in religion - whether a man using it as an excuse to beat his wife or a powerful country using it as an excuse to attack a weaker country. It brings up a larger philosophical question about cults shaping the minds of its members and an ideology like patriarchy creating what we accept as real and worthwhile on a global level. I think religion and science are two sides of the same coin and if religion is for profit then science is also driven by profit. We're living in strange and exciting times when secret agendas are being revealed and people are clinging to reactionary worldviews as a result so any exploration of religion and cults as coercive control is welcome. ruclips.net/video/CmazxjNHVs4/видео.html here's Michael Hudson talking about the history of Christianity as vehicle for empire and debt. Is there deception and illusion in all of this like any cult? You bet.

Thanks for your response!

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol no problem. Very good video by the way

Thank you so much for the encouraging words. I’m still quite new at making videos and hope that the quality will improve with more practice. Knowing that what I’m saying is resonating with others is very inspiring. Thanks again 😀

Don't stop now! Conquer the world!!! I got your back!

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I am confused by your comment and the accompanying emoji. Do you know my story and why I am making these videos? If not, please have a look at the feature video on my channel.

I hear you but she’s talking about what she’s familiar with.

I define cults according to levels of coercive control, 12 features. The rubric can be applied to any group. It’s never about the belief system, it’s always about the reduction of freedom through manipulation.

@@ai.culturalquotes888 yes, it very difficult being the parent of a child who has been coerced into a cult and is under so much control that she cannot do anything without being under surveillance. Her husband is in the same predicament and his family have suffered greatly too. I hope that one day all members of Jesus Christians, and all destructive cults for matter, are free.

@@johnadams1971 it’s a myth that cult victims are weak, stupid people. Cults only want the brightest, most hardworking, and idealistic people in their groups. Coercive control tactics are a powerful instruments that rob individuals of their liberty and autonomy.

@@KaterinaservantofYeshua I’m glad to hear you don’t think forsaking all means your life doesn’t matter anymore. I’m talking about a group that is openly abusing people with this doctrine. If you watch the full video and other ones I’ve made on my channel, you’ll have a better understanding. I’m an expert on coercive control.

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol oh sorry I didn't know. I will take a look when I get a chance. God bless 🙏🏼☦️

@ thank you. I have no issue with Christianity. I just have a problem with cult leaders who insist their followers must give up their identity, critical thinking, and their own lives to appease the leader’s desire for power.

@recoverfromcoercivecontrol it's truly horrible what this leaders do to people that follow them😔. But don't worry God is a fair judge! May their souls rest in peace and may the Lord show his mercy🙏🏼

@@novoice1127 no one joins a cult, they join a community that resonates with them. The system of indoctrination then traps people and they can’t get out. Awareness and prevent are essential.

These are all ridiculous labels! Unbelievable that in 2024 some people still give validity to superstitious propaganda.

@@Catweazel1976 thanks for the encouragement! George Lucas was all over authoritative leadership too - explaining it in a creative form like movies is a great way to get the message across!

Thanks for your comment and words of encouragement. I just had a look at Jon Atack's channel and it looks like he's putting out some great information. Being stuck in cult's false reality is difficult thing to get out of, I hope your friends are doing well now. I hope that my videos will help prevent others from experiencing the same torment - prevention is best antidote to these insidious behaviours driven by failed egos.