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Hi! I am glad to see these cars still being covered in RUclips videos. There are quite a few videos about them in Romanian, but not so many in English. I am Romanian myself and saw many 1310's growing up. These days, you don't see many on the road anymore. Most were scrapped or driven into the ground, but some were still restored. You mostly see them at enthusiast events, they are not usually used as daily drivers. It would be nice to see a video from you about Aro's. There are a lot of variants and body styles, especially of the 24 and 32 series.

Just watched it again, one of the rare videos you can enjoy watching several times. And two more remarks I found now: Yes, there was a groupA version of the Mitsubishi Starion. Of course with the standard front. Having only RWD it wasn’t considered by many, but when in the British championship the Sierra Cosworth looked promising from 1987, Pentti Airikkala tried the gA Starion Turbo in 1988, won a couple of BRC rounds and nearly won the championship! This was a big surprise, this very car (C196 LGP, only one of two buiklt by RalliArt UK)was used by Patrick Tauziac in the Bandama Rallye 1986 and Lasse Lampi tried it in Ypres and 1000 Lakes 1987 with very little success. There was a story that even Mitsubishi bosses did not believe in the car. Apparently when Airikkala asked Andrew Cowan if he could have the car Cowan replied “Yes, but I don’t know what you want that shed for” - Maybe Airikkala in his typical humour thought “If he doesn’t like this car, great, I have that cheaply, run it myself…” - a few weeks later Cowan read in a newspaper that this “shed” won round1 of the BRC overall! Another fun story I just remember on the Ford RS200. I actually think the RS200 was quite successful, well a lot of bad luck, but it led the Acropolis Rally and won the Belgian and British championships. And that was still a first car, not an Evolution as most manufacturers ran. The Evolution “RS200 Evo2” should have had an enlarged engine and a double clutch gearbox, latter was developped by Hewland. Ford somehow liked 3-letter abbreviations for their stuff, as Cosworth engine developments BDA, BDT, DFY, YBB, and so on. So Hewland named its new gearbox the FGB. Everybody at Ford was talking of the FGB gearbox since months, until somebody of Ford asked Hewland, what FGB actually stands for. Answer: “F**!ng Great Box” Haha!

They operated out of a small single unit in Rochester. I could never work out how they produced so many different designs from such a small set-up. I remember seeing a line of Skoda Rapids outside in various states of dismantlement.

My first Porsche was a 924S, great car. I'd love to have another today to park in my garage next to my current 911SC.

very good, I enjoyed the video, during the 80s I owned a 205GTi and a Audi S1 2.2 Coupe, great time back then

I have a 78 with 54k miles that I drive hard. I consider it a fast slow car. I live in the country so have no lane roads for miles and the car is the most fun possible on 4 wheels. Most of the driving is under 55 it is extreme country roads. Car is priceless

What does me is, they are the same engine wise. Its worrying how executive brands are using french rotbox engines

Well said well but together I've heard bits and pieces,,,never had it lated out in 1 video,, Well done sir hars off to you 😊😊👍👍🇬🇧💪

IMO, a key driver for a car's styling, which you overlooked, is fashion. There was a key move away from the boxy/sharp-edged styling of cars from the '70s and early '80s into a smoother, more aerodynamic style, as manufacturer wanted to push the idea that the car you were buying had spent hours in the wind tunnel. I think Audi started the ball rolling.

I am totally confused

I bought a year ago my first classic and thats a 924 82' with the entire body from the 944...and i cant find nowhere how it can be possible but yeah rear spoiler, rear 944 diffuser and late 924 interiors. But when you open the engine bay hah, 924. Just doing a few fixes about AC and randomly taillights switch burned :') probably because the switch its 42 years old idk? But for sure lovely car, good sound with stock exhaust and kinda "okay" fuel economy for a non EFI 80' car

the greeks used to do alot of body style conversions to all sorts of cars that sometimes made them look offroadish... the reason why they did this back in the day was to import them with a lower toll rate because "fun vehicles" had that benefit. as far as i'm aware some of these Cars got converted or assebled in large enough numbers as to get counted as mass production.

We had two in our family. The first was a pretty basic white model, but the second was a lux model with twin electrically adjusted mirrors, a rear wiper and rear spoiler on the tailgate. It also had an independently fitted glass sunroof (as opposed to the factory fitted sunroof) and checkerboard seat trim, which was very unusual for the model, so my father must have ordered it as an option. It was also black and we had it around the time Knight Rider came out, so you can imagine what school kids said about it at the time! All in all, thirty plus years of very happy motoring and memories!!!😊

"Every car looks the same" Every train look the same Every plane looks the same EVERY BIKE LOOKS THE SAME, How is this is a car only problem

Check out the rears of the 1997 Nubira and 2004 Quattroporte... It always made me wonder how such a luxury brand could design a rear that is that similar to a Daewoo from the 90's.

most new cars are ugly and generic and there is no coping in this world to change that

Cars are more homogeneous these days but it's due to buying habits, so many people buy suvs and crossovers that the sameness comes from customers being more boring than manufacturers, it's why Lotus as we knew it is dead.

The cars interior never has been so similar, more than exterior design. Change my mind.

It really is mostly a matter of nearly all manufacturers fighting for the same consumer, and today's market asks for crossovers and SUVs. Ironically, they all jump into the current product and design trends in an attempt to stand out from the competition, but I also don't agree that today's cars are "all the same" because some brands do have a recognizable visual identity, despite parts shared with others within a group (ex.: Peugeot, or the new FIAT Panda).

Great little snippet on automotive design. Now you got me interested in the topic of automotive paint throughout the decades.

Vintage cars look similar and cars from the 1960s are similar but different enough to tell the difference between a Hillman Hunter and a Ford Cortina and today we have a Suzuki Baleno were there is a Nissan that looks similar and my 1997 Toyota Hilux is similar to other utes of the 1990s which with its aluminium tray they do look very similar and of course the Mazdas were those wannabe MGs from China are similar from a distance and it comes down to JDM people movers which we get a lot of them in Australia and a popular model the Nissan Elgrand is similar to certain models of the Toyota Alphard also a certain Kia is similar to the Toyota Camery it seems Kias reputation for reliability as compared to Toyota's reputation for reliability is miles apart are they thinking if it looks like a Toyota Camery maybe they are trying to fool the public that the Kia is as good as a Toyota and we all know Kia and Hyundai don't have the best reputation for reliability also the difference between Mazda and Chinese MGs for reliability is mike's apart the Mazda been 1000 times better than the Chinese MGs and do you think the Chinese MGs will be around in 50 to 60 years were tge British built MGs are still around

I'll say something controversial. I think we are in the best car design era since the 60s and 70s. It feels like mass production has progressed enough so that car brands can go wild with their ideas again, not being bogged down by technical constraints.

Well As a gen z I prefer the old boxy giant large long sharp brutal looking 70’s 80’s American cars

Look at those boxy cars of the late 1920s. You can't distinguish a Ford from a Cadillac...

Well, yes, some modern cars look too similar to each other, but I also wanna point out, how a lot of modern cars also look very generic, bland, plain and uninteresting. Being a 90's kid, even back then, the cars looked like the design teams did actually put some real effort into their overall appearance and style. Now the cars feel like the designers don't even try at all just for the sake of cost cutting measures.

Great video!

I don't mind the 1 series looking like a Kia, it serves the same purpose as a Kia and it's not a car for me either way

In my opinion the biggest reason for this phenomenon is that people (non car people) buy suvs and crossovers over sedans and hatchbacks. I feel like10-15 years ago out of 10 sold cars 5 were sedans, 3 were hatchbacks and 2 suvs, but now 8 suvs, 1 sedan and 1 hatchback. This would explain the article back from the 90s when sedans were the dominant segment. Cars always looked very alike in the same segments because of technology or safety of the era. Nowadays we just see less varied selection of car body styles and segments.

it's so funny that is now see a wave among car enthusiasts (and not ) about the samey look of cars, more than not directed at the new BMW 1 series, literally the brand that needed a bucket of fresch air thrown on their look the most, here's a thing, the new bmw 1 series may be the best looking bmw as far as line flows of the last 50 years, yes, better fron thean the R8, and no, not quite as the I8

In fact i find the cars 90s saloon cars all have a "similar look" like slim grill design, slim headlights, squared off boot, low rake hood. Just look at a mid 90s: toyota corolla, mitsubishi lancer, nissan sentra, vw jetta, mazda 323, honda accord/civic, ford laser!

They always have, i mean look at Dodge and Plymouth, or Chevrolet and Pontiac!

As a kid, in the late '70s & early '80s, I loved visiting other countries & seeing the array of different cars we never hot to see in the UK. This year, on holiday in Italy, the cars on the road are virtually identical to the ones the streets of England.

as a person who constantly keeps their eye on all manner of little details in car designs i could almost always tell any car of my era apart just by looking at the little details on a headlight or such, and the fact that some of them seemed like a fair base understanding of boring cars selling and people usually being interested in more reasonable facts (i.e practicality, bang for buck, safety be that pedestrian or your own or just how easy they were to live with ((reliability)) ) and because of this the bigger picture of "all cars looking the same" never even once occured to me before people started complaining about it as i dont really pay attention to it because as i said above if it sells a car maker will probably keep making it, and as i wasnt really as much a modern car buyer it didnt really mean alot to me if they sold a boring crossover every 2 minutes as i would just simply ignore them on the big picture and wait for anything interesting to come out, and since i've always kept my eye on details of car design i still sometime have a hard time seeing why people say all of them look the same, when i can just point to the 1920s30s to 70s80s and 90s cars, and i kept 40s50s and 60s out of that as thats where car design was at its most unique, but the cars back then lacked in other areas drasticly, as in most commonly Rust, Reliability, comfort features, anti theft or just the basics of anything safety.

Ohh if those car guys could read they'd be very upset when you'd hand them that 1992 issue of Autocar... Great content as always, but probably to intellectual compared to the average YT clickbait car stuff. Was the picture of the GTA in the Autodelta shop on purpose when mentioning mass production?

That like saying that all Assassin's creed games are great nevermind that all games are big slops of shovelware much like suvs in cars so sorry but no one needs suv

4:51 - aah, mid - 00's Moscow where one could meet almost any car from the world. Nowadays it's not the same.

All use same steering wheel different company logo.

I appreciate the bit about the Capri - I'm always annoyed by internet warriors claiming an X brand should bring back the Y car (usually a performance one) without realising such cars were selling less and less and killing them off was a matter of market shifting. We might hate SUVs, but the majority like an easier entry and better visibility, so it would be odd for car manufacturers to deny customers what they want. With today's design languages featuring a lot of angles and lines, it's obviously more difficult to differentiate cars than back when they were slabs of cheese with either round or square headlamps.

I've always thought the same, I still don't want a modern car though. A lot of modern cars are the same format too, crossovers or softroaders. We did used to have more variety in that area. Anyway, good to have you back, good thought provoking vid. 🤘

Great vid cutting through the knee jerk stuff you see parroted across comment sections everywhere. Also, "The RWD Rover 75 (or was this the 45?) can't hurt you." *The RWD Rover 75*

I have owned my 1981 Porsche 924 for 35 yrs, (I am now 78 and also own a 911) most have gone through the a period of little value and ended up as sadly abandoned and neglected cars because the youngsters who bought them with rose tinted glasses suddenly realise what they can cost to maintain them correctly. Therefor today it is much harder to find one in reasonable roadworthy condition. Buying a neglected car that doesn't run is fraught with danger as you can end up bankrupting yourself. You need to remember its got a Porache badge on the bonnet and parts come with Porsche prices. Just check on line for what you can pay for second hand parts that can now fetch silly prices.

Actually, the original 924 color is called "Reseda Green Metallic." I owned a 1977 924 painted that particular color

It's a shame because it could have rivalled the BMW M5 E39

Got to drive a 924 auto in 1979, graduation year. A girl I'd known since grade school got one for graduation let me drive it. It was like "wow", a $20k car for graduation, and this was barely a middle class school. She, and the car, were out of my league but good memories.

One of the major issues with Group B was the safety equipment/Build and even Henri Toivenion stated that it wouldn't pass without a death of a driver which tragically was his own. They was getting built slap dash with just make it fast-faster>. And he quoted that both him and Co driver was sitting on fuel tanks which offered no protection in a crash as just steel tanks not fuel cell types and often leaked fumes into the car as they was running some very wild cocktails of fuel! Plus if you go digging somewhere the "Unofficial" power on the Quattro S1 was around a 1000 bhp. Many of the cars esp in Rally cross were able to run at very high BHP. Martin Schanche RS200 was able to go beyond 1000 bhp for short periods and seen him at Brands Hatch heading to finish line hit the button and leave car behind and close on one in front like they was Shopping trolley metro's.

My nephew and I are about to start a 926R replica build so this was very helpful Thankyou

My old employer had a 924 and a Fiat Bertone X1/9 that we used for errands. Even though both cars were kind of underpowered, they both had great handling, and we'd fight for the open topped X1/9 on nice days, and the air conditioned 924 when it got hot and miserable. Loved them both!