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On small gold, it easily beats the 5000, on larger bits further from the coil the 5000 wins

Yes, the QED was much deeper with ground balance disabled, the Algoforce is also much deeper with GB disabled, in our soils here in New Zealand's gold fields I'm very lucky and can run with GB Disabled looking for gold, the downside is we mostly only have tiny gold so it's lucky I can run with the extra power of zeroGB :) You'd be surprised, the Minelab GPX 5000 also has a way to turn ground balance off, and gets far more depth than than with it's ground balance enabled too, coils and relics timing is one way, there is also a GB that you can manually turn off. The Algoforce can work in very tough ground, high magnetite and black sand very well, it handles severe hot rocks, in this way it's much better than the QED, more sensitive too. Minelab detetctors are loaded with patents though and all other brands have to work around these methods,

@@phrunt so as far as depth is concerned (large targets) how does it compare with a gpx5000? even just in air on say a 50c coin?

The display enables it to be more than just a dig it all machine, so turns it into a true multi purpose PI not just for prospecting and the screens really easy to see, even in bright sunlight.

I've done some videos comparing various coils for their sensitivity on shotgun pellets to give a demonstration of that, the 12" CC was never released, the 15" CC being the smallest, and it's significantly more sensitive and deeper on small gold than the standard 14" coil. The Concentric coils need more of an overlap in swing though as the deepest part of the coil is the center of the coil so you have to slow down a bit.

@@phrunt Thank you for the reply. That makes sense. Maybe one day I’ll try the CC coils.

Algoforce E1500, a new detector to market this year.

А катушка X-Coils?

@@НаймансВостока The X-coil is no longer available, they stopped making coils for the earlier GPX series which the Algoforce uses the coils from. The coil is a 10" fully spiral wound coil.

Only conductivity of targets, so iron can still come up in many places depending on the size of the iron. It's more suitable if you know the ID of the target you're looking for, for example a particular coin.

yes, it will run GPX 5000 mono coils.

No problems, it was just a quick demo I filmed when I first installed the new firmware to give a bit of an idea the depth difference in mild soils once switching to the new ZeroGB mild soil mode.

It is a mono coil.

You're on the right track, the 6000 is more sensitive than the SDC and certainly the 5000, it will find smaller gold, but does suffer from more hot rock problems than the SDC and 5000 that's guaranteed. Quality was dismal on the first year or so's release of the 6000, they've improved now, if you're buying second hand expect to send it in to get the EMI problem resolved if the owner hasn't already, also it's likely the owner is selling it as they're not happy with it, the reasons for that could be associated with all the faults the units have had, reliability was very poor. Newer ones have had from what I've been able to see most if not all of the problems resolved, even the earlier coils were bad people had 2 or 3 replaced, now the newer coils don't so far appear to have that problem. The 11" stock coil is great when you've got a good one, but makes for an unstable detector if you've got a bad one, and I think most who are unhappy with the 6000 are unhappy as they've got the EMI problem and or a bad coil, they're the two common issues. The coiltek 10x5" is great, the 14x9" not as sensitive as the 11", but runs nicely and more stable. I'd give the NF coil a miss, the Coiltek's better I think, especially if you're chasing smaller gold. Now after all the negatives, the 6000 is a great machine once you've got a good one, really sensitive and has good depth on the smaller stuff, but does suffer more with hot rocks. It comes with the DD coil for use around power lines but the 10x5" does pretty good too being smaller.

Discrimination is bad for small gold

Whites use Fiberglass. Please watch the video from the Fisher metal detectors engineer explaining the problem further, ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

The Algoforce doesn't have auto tracking in that way, yes its tracking the ground, but you have to manually balance it, the tracking it does only tells you when you need to balance.

@@phrunt ah, thanks for clarifying.

Sorry, yes it was a very windy day, there are other videos people have done now showing it's performance in a similar way. I should get around to recording a new one myself.

they'll be cheap on the second hand market soon with people upgrading to plastic or another non-conductive product. :)

Have you watched the Fisher metal detectors engineers' video on the problem? He used the Nox which is less powerful too. The problem really only affects gold prospectors, the rest of the users won't need to worry too much, all they'll get is a bit of extra noise when moving the coil around on the shaft.

Gold prospectors tend to pivot their coil a lot on the shaft to follow the ground and detect in and around rocks, we can't superglue our shaft to the coil to prevent movement, we want it to move, and move a lot.

No, cabon fibre shafts are conductive, just like coke often detected in UK which is carbon. Coal also behaves the same. it's just a conductive material.

You're right, but the shaft will sometimes move not in conjunction with the coil like if you bump a rock, or if you're using the shaft pivot to go in and under rocks and bushes, and when you do this particularly in gold modes, it falses badly which can make you miss targets. It's a good idea to watch this video from Carl and First Texas (Fisher metal detectors) as he did a good video explaining the problem. ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

Now there’s a proper answer from somewhere that understands detectors 👍

It should be OK, my CTX 3030 came with a carbon shaft, and it doesn't cause it any grief, the detector is simply not sensitive enough to low conductor targets to care, this is mainly a problem for gold prospectors or jewellery hunters that rely on higher frequencies.

Never looked for gold have you? You take advantage of this thing called a coil nut and bolt, and the rubber washers, they're there so you can move your coil in relation to your shaft so you can poke it into places and bend it around to get under bushes and so on, doing so causes the shaft to react giving you false signals. So yes, connect it to the coil and there is a big problem, you just don't understand it. ruclips.net/video/M3jKszeuk94/видео.htmlsi=LqcC5v-zrvFtj-nu

@@phrunt Yes, I have looked for, and found, gold with a PI machine. Tiny nuggets and even dozer blade shavings.

@@JoeDirt-sf8fu I'm completely puzzled why you would think a metal shaft, or a conductive shaft like the Manticore has is ok, the slightlest movement from the shaft in relation to the coil sets the detector off with a false signal. At first it was a common misconception it was from it detecting the coil cable, however, the detection of the cable is so minor compared to the shaft, the cable needs to near touch the coil to cause a false, the shaft on the other hand can be held almost a foot above the detector and be detected. Every time you move the shaft on it's pivot in relation to the coil you get a false signal. Too bad if you keep getting them and get so used to it you miss a real target dismissing it as just another false from the shaft.

Here is a video from an engineer at First Texas (Fisher) explaining the problem. ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

@@phrunt I'm not too smart, that's why.

the coil cable is not a problem at all, very little impact from it, the problem is the carbon fibre shaft is so conductive, it may as well be made of aluminium as that's how bad it is.

@@phrunt This is a malicious and deliberate act by a company that knows what is wrong and then keeps silent about it. If you fix the problem of acne, will you solve the problem of hypersensitivity to the highest levels?

@@1995H8 I simply think they were unaware of the problem perhaps blaming it on the coil cable being detected, the after-market manufacturers had been making full carbon shafts for some time, the most likely people affected are prospectors, others may not even notice even if it is detrimental to their detector's performance.

@@phrunt Those who have tried the device and are the first among them know the problem and tell you that you should distinguish 1-2

This problem has an impact on the sensitivity of the device and does not raise it to the maximum level

It happens with the M8, M11, and M15 coils, unfortunately it's not a faulty coil, it's a shaft made out of a material that the detector sees as a target.

@@phruntbut in real life is not important because that connection is rigid.. so you not notice that effect when you hunting is t it?

@@omnitron It is, watch the engineers video here, gold hunters especially constantly pivot their coil to move in and around rocks and bushes so for them the problem is worst, also they run in the highest frequencies making it worse again, the engineer from Fisher did a good video explaining it ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

@@phrunt interesting thank you

It just needs a plastic lower shaft like detectors have been using for a long time with great success, the shift to Carbon fibre although cosmetically pleasing is a step backwards, like when detectors had alloy or steel lower shafts and metal bolts and nuts :)

@@phrunt upgrading all my Tesoro’s Lower shafts I notice this fiber shafts in Intronik But never paid attention how much it affects detection Does it affect?

@@Tesorosaprofunidad it's more of an annoyance with it falsing all of the time, as for affecting detection of targets I'm unsure at this stage if its going to reduce any performance, possibly not, but you may miss targets due to the false signals. Some detectors like my CTX 3030 have a carbon shaft and have no problems at all with it, it's these very sensitive machines it becomes an issue.

A pulse induction would be better such as the GPX 4500/5000/6000 or the GPZ, as far as VLF's go, the Manticore is about as good as it gets for prospecitng.

yes, the 6000 reacts to it's carbon fibre shaft too, it was the complete wrong material to use for a lower shaft, I suspect Minelab copied the aftermarket shaft manufacturers doing it thinking it was the "cool" thing to do, but its a big mistake. Give me a stock Equinox 800 lower shaft on the Manticore any day, the same goes with the 6000, I'm trying to source new lower shafts for my detectors now. Nokta Legend has the same problem but you can buy a plastic lower shaft for it from Nokta

@@phrunt ~That’s an excellent report thank you !! I have to find 3 (three) plastic ‘or’ fibreglass lower shafts that fit my 6000 somewhere!? Even look at a ‘wood’ broomstick ‘or’ large dowel, if only I had a ‘wood lathe’ to custom shape them to exactly the right diameter.

@@royjohnson465 www.stevesdetectorrods.com/list.php in the USA is making non-conductive shafts for the Manticore at the moment, then once he's done, he's looking into the 6000, hopefully Minelab steps up and makes some, or Detect-ED in OZ or any of the aftermarket rod manufacturers so we can get a quick fix. The more people that ask them the more likely they'll do it. I'm eagerly awaiting Minelab's response as to what path they want to take, they're aware of it, just need to see if they want to provide a solution.

@@phrunt ~Thank you so much for the extra effort to help me out, it is really appreciated, the information you gave me is like gold !! I am in Canada and I want at least 3 (three) non-conductive 6000 lower shafts. I will pursue it, look into it, and follow through..

@@royjohnson465 Love Canada, awesome country, Steve should be able to sort you out once he gets the products to market, a bit expensive for me to buy his products as I'm in NZ and shipping from the USA to NZ is insane, so I'm hoping Minelab comes to the party and sorts out their problem themselves so then it's a worldwide fix.

yes, a good old Equinox plastic shaft with the Manticore coil fixing is required to resolve this one.

sometimes the most simple things can be missed.

@@phrunt 😂

This is a must watch video on the problem from a First Texas (Fisher metal detectors) engineer, Carl Moreland demonstrating why I care so much about this problem. Https://ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

Read the other comments where I explain why for people that look for gold especially it's a problem, I keep having to repeat myself ;)

This is a must watch video on the problem from a First Texas (Fisher metal detectors) engineer, Carl Moreland demonstrating why I care so much about this problem. Https://ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

The times when it becomes a real problem are when prospecting for gold, when you're poking your coil into crevices and in and around rocks when you're using the movement of the coil on the shaft to your advantage to get into these places, then every time you move your coil on the shaft you get loud false signals. It would be better off being a plastic shaft like the Equinox 800 in this case.

@@phrunt ahh yes I can see your point, especially prospecting. Something to take up with manufacturers and would be interested to hear what they say about it.

This is a must watch video on the problem from a First Texas (Fisher metal detectors) engineer, Carl Moreland demonstrating why I care so much about this problem. Https://ruclips.net/video/j--eEK7RSd4/видео.html

I'm sure the GPX 6000 will pick up it's own shaft, I haven't tried mine yet but I'll do it later today, the Algoforce which is a PI slightly less sensitive than the GPX 6000 picks up its own carbon shaft though so the 6000 likely will too, see here ruclips.net/video/fFeoyyzOfzw/видео.html

@@phrunt ~Yes thank you I watched the video and that is quite an eye-opener!! Could you let us know if the 6000 picks up its own shaft? My 6000 is packed away in the shed so I can’t get to it right now. I was going to check if my fibreglass lower shafts for my 3000 will fit on my 6000, I will let you know if it does? ~A fibreglass ‘or’ plastic/vinyl/nylon/polymer/acrylic/resin lower shaft needs to be made to fit as a replacement for the 6000 and Manticore. OR maybe somebody could use a wooden dowel, lathe, dremel, a broomstick, or hand carve a lower shaft out of wood 🤣😂. Actually I really did that many years ago when I went to Mazatlan, Mexico, I custom made a type of “wood” dowel shaft for my Bounty Hunter Big Bud Pro to put in my luggage on the airplane. I just used it on the sandy beach and found Mexican coins and a hotel key.

If the shaft is static relative to the coil it's not a problem. The GPX6000 will also pick up it's own control box if you could move it in front of the coil. The only problem here is illiteracy on how metal detectors work.

@@georgichaushev5617 that's where you're wrong, the reason coils have a coil bolt and rubber washers is so you can move the coil to different angles to get it into places that having your coil flat won't go, often you're flattening the coil down to the shaft to get into rocky crevices which then the movement of the shaft towards the coil sets the detector off. Gold prospectors in particular will experience this problem.

Jeez...When You activated the prospecting audio profile I said "Holyyyyyyy craaaaaaaaap"😢... I wonder if the slight falsing on the first two IDs it might depends by this thing now.Really weird.

It's electrically conductive, so detectors like the Algoforce, likely GPX 6000, Equinox 700, 800, 900, Manticore and other VLF's will detect it as if it was a target, not really ideal for detector stability especially putting down and picking up the detector, and moving around coil angles while detecting and who knows the effects on sensitivity with such a big target right near the coil.

What version of windows are you? If you're 10 or 11 you don't need drivers, if you're below them they offer the required USB driver on their website download section you have to install first.