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Bahco Deep Socket Set (1/2'') Made in Spain
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Bahco Ratchet (Snap-on Internals):
German Amazon (3/8'' Ratchet): amzn.to/3ktTC7a
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Gedore Ratchet:
USA Amazon: amzn.to/3QUAKKR
German Amazon: amzn.to/3k7poXg
Stahlwille 1/2 QR Ratchet Standard Length:
USA Amazon: amzn.to/3kfNvTM
German Amazon: amzn.to/3W7Wm7f
Hazet 1/2 Hiper Quick Release Standard Length:
USA Amazon: amzn.to/3QHaeED
German Amazon: amzn.to/3Xvd0id
Facom Extendable 1/2'' Ratchet:...
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Видео

Hazet Factory Tour Episode 6 (Germany)
Просмотров 851День назад
This is continuation of previous episode, I am going to take you guys to the after Forging process of Hazet Tools. You will be able to see how Dies of tools are made and how they look. You will see also raw wrenches (Unfinished). I would say, this episode is also very interesting. There were some areas where I was not allowed to film but still there are many interesting parts you will witness. ...
Bahco Vice Grip Plier Foam Set (Made in spain) Ep:1
Просмотров 17814 дней назад
This is Episode1 of Bahco Tools Made in Spain Series. Bahco Tools used to made in Sweden in good old days later Bahco moved it's factory to Spain. But now a days Bahco tools are outsourced from the their factories in China/Taiwan. I found some good clearance deals and these are made in Spain. I believe Made in Spain Bahco tools were as good as Made in Sweden and figured why not share with you g...
Hazet Factory Tour Episode 5 (Germany)
Просмотров 1,4 тыс.28 дней назад
In this Episode I am going to take you guys to the Forging process of Hazet Tools. This is one of the most interesting episode since you guys will finally see how the forging is done. Hazet factory is a combination of old school and new robotics machineries. You will see robotics machines in future episodes. If you guys have never watched previous episodes yet, I would highly suggest to watch t...
Gedore 1/2'' Ratchet Review Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Stahlwille and Bahco
Просмотров 508Месяц назад
DISCLAIMER: I am not sponsored by any mean. Links included in this description might be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service with the links that I provide I may receive a small commission. There is no additional charge to you! Thank you for supporting! Gedore Ratchet (Pear Head): USA Amazon: amzn.to/3WmQcCe German Amazon: amzn.to/3Sp9PbX Bahco Ratchet (Snap-on Internals): Germa...
Hazet Factory Tour Episode 4 (Germany)
Просмотров 992Месяц назад
In this episode I am going to take you guys to meet team members of engineers who develop new tools. For example, you will the head of Hiper Series Ratchet Department. It was an amazing experience. Hope you guys are enjoying the Factory tour of Hazet. If you have not watched previous episode, go head and watch them first. I put the link below: #automobile #hazet #germany #wrench #car #wrencheve...
Hazet Factory Tour Episode 3 (Germany)
Просмотров 606Месяц назад
This is episode 3 of my Hazet tour in Germany. Episode 1 was about Hazet's history in detail. In episode 2 I took you guys to the Hazet World an exhibition center where there are alot of vintage and modern tools. In this episode I still have some footage of Hazet World (An exhibition center). But you will meet some of the Hazet team. You might have seen these people in Hazet's official website ...
Stahlwille Metal Handle 1/2'' Ratchet (Made in Germany) Ft. Hazet And Other Stahlwille Ratchets
Просмотров 516Месяц назад
DISCLAIMER: I am not sponsored by any mean. Links included in this description might be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service with the links that I provide I may receive a small commission. There is no additional charges to you! Thank you for supporting! USA Amazon: amzn.to/3W8piPP German Amazon: amzn.to/4cufgy3 Stahlwille Rounded Head Ratchet USA Amazon: amzn.to/43sZrDS German ...
Hazet Factory Tour Episode 2 (Germany)
Просмотров 743Месяц назад
This is episode 2 of my Hazet tour in Germany. Episode 1 was about Hazet's history in detail. In this episode I take you guys to the Hazet World an exhibition center where there are alot of vintage and modern tools. It's got also studio for the marketing videos for Hazet official social media platform. It is also training center for the new tools demonstration. It was unique and exciting experi...
A Blacksmith Boy Behind HAZET of Germany ( The Untold Story) Ep:1
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.2 месяца назад
A heart touching story from blacksmith family where a small boy (Hermann Zerver) get training from his father and later in his young days founded one of most influential tool manufacturing companies related to Automobile sector in Europe. The story highlights how Hazet faced crises such as world wars, economic down turn, hunger, war destruction, industrial revolution, prisons etc and how it tur...
Royal Enfield bullet 500 Oil Change (Bonus: Mid Night Sun Ride)
Просмотров 2152 месяца назад
I bought Royal Enfield bullet 500 recently. I rode it for around 400 km from seller's house. I wanted to change oil and oil filter on this motorcycle and figures why not to take you guys along with me in this process. Here is Finland there is an amazing phenomenon of Mid Night Sun. I mid June for few days we can witness 24 hours sun shine. I wanted to share the experience with you guys too. Cheers
Workshop Tour And Interesting Skilled Mechanic Fixes Motorcycle (from Pakistan)
Просмотров 4124 месяца назад
I know it's about car channel but I wanted to show something different and some other side of the world where I belong originally. Hope you guys enjoy the video. Cheers
Skilled Pakistani Mechanic Fixes Motorcycle
Просмотров 4015 месяцев назад
Skilled Pakistani Mechanic Fixes Motorcycle
Rusty Exhaust Pipe and Muffler Replacement on a Citroen Saxo (Plus Rear Reg Plate Bulb Replacement)
Просмотров 3446 месяцев назад
Rusty Exhaust Pipe and Muffler Replacement on a Citroen Saxo (Plus Rear Reg Plate Bulb Replacement)
Why Winter Tires Are Important? Ultimate Guide (How To Change Tires at home)
Просмотров 6709 месяцев назад
Why Winter Tires Are Important? Ultimate Guide (How To Change Tires at home)
Unique Ratchet by Gedore (Made in Germany) Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Stahlwille and Facom
Просмотров 2,7 тыс.9 месяцев назад
Unique Ratchet by Gedore (Made in Germany) Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Stahlwille and Facom
Unknown Quality Tool Box Review PLUS Kamasa Tools History
Просмотров 3,8 тыс.10 месяцев назад
Unknown Quality Tool Box Review PLUS Kamasa Tools History
Hazet Long Ratchet 1/2'' (Made in Germany). HiPer Fine Tooth
Просмотров 3,5 тыс.10 месяцев назад
Hazet Long Ratchet 1/2'' (Made in Germany). HiPer Fine Tooth
How to Replace Air Filter on Citroen Saxo
Просмотров 2,2 тыс.Год назад
How to Replace Air Filter on Citroen Saxo
Hazet 3/8'' Long Ratchet VS Snap-on, Stahlwille and Gedore
Просмотров 2,8 тыс.Год назад
Hazet 3/8'' Long Ratchet VS Snap-on, Stahlwille and Gedore
Peugeot 307 3rd Rear Brake Light Bulb Replacement
Просмотров 5 тыс.Год назад
Peugeot 307 3rd Rear Brake Light Bulb Replacement
BMW E91 Front Wheel Bearing Replacement
Просмотров 832Год назад
BMW E91 Front Wheel Bearing Replacement
Stahlwille Tool Box (Cantilever) Ft. Hazet
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
Stahlwille Tool Box (Cantilever) Ft. Hazet
Peugeot 307 Indicator Bulb Replacement
Просмотров 1,5 тыс.Год назад
Peugeot 307 Indicator Bulb Replacement
Ko-ken 3/8'' Long Ratchet Non Flex Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Stahlwille Gedore, Bahco, Facom, Kamasa Tools
Просмотров 1,2 тыс.Год назад
Ko-ken 3/8'' Long Ratchet Non Flex Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Stahlwille Gedore, Bahco, Facom, Kamasa Tools
BMW E36 Rear Brake Rotor Replacement
Просмотров 260Год назад
BMW E36 Rear Brake Rotor Replacement
HEAVY DUTY Wheel Hub Puller Review (HAZET) Made in Germany
Просмотров 2,8 тыс.Год назад
HEAVY DUTY Wheel Hub Puller Review (HAZET) Made in Germany
Hazet Metal Tool Box Review (Made in Germany)
Просмотров 6 тыс.Год назад
Hazet Metal Tool Box Review (Made in Germany)
BMW E36 Front Wheel Bearing Replacement
Просмотров 1,4 тыс.Год назад
BMW E36 Front Wheel Bearing Replacement
Stahlwille Rounded Head Ratchet Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Gedore and Bahco
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.Год назад
Stahlwille Rounded Head Ratchet Ft. Snap-on, Hazet, Gedore and Bahco

Комментарии

  • @yarvinen
    @yarvinen 22 часа назад

    Thanks

  • @yarvinen
    @yarvinen 22 часа назад

    Kiitos ihan vitusti oikeesti

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p День назад

    Great review 👍🏻

  • @PrimeToolbox
    @PrimeToolbox 2 дня назад

    Facom should have fitted a 1/4" female fitting to the end of the handle. This would allow a T-bar to be attached to increase leverage when turning the handle.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 2 дня назад

      You are absolutely right even cheaper brand's similar ratchets have 1/4" female fitting

  • @adnanfile
    @adnanfile 3 дня назад

    Thanx for the video

  • @ericchase5421
    @ericchase5421 3 дня назад

    Does Bahco manufacture anything in Sweden anymore? It’s hard to keep track of where Snap On has plants these days.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 3 дня назад

      Bahco is no more made in Sweden. They are made in mostly in China and Taiwan now days. I see some pliers are made in Spain still in the shops and i think they closed there too. Snap on still have factories in USA. But Snap on also outsource alot from China. Due to price competition brands are forced to outsource offshores

  • @gplusgplus2286
    @gplusgplus2286 3 дня назад

    I have deep sockets in 1/4" and 1/2" I've never used the 1/2" apart from 21 spark plug socket to do shock absorver tower bolt with passthrough long allen key. I work in Audi and I dont think you really need them in Europe. Also for 1/4" I've used 7, 10 and 13 long because they are comfortable to use but not really "needed" them.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 3 дня назад

      Yeah, its not much of my use but it was dirt cheap and made in spain so could't hold myself 😃

  • @naeemrsheed1478
    @naeemrsheed1478 4 дня назад

    Amazing video 👍

  • @6900pilot
    @6900pilot 4 дня назад

    Werent bahco made in Sweden? All.my sets are German with one exception of a king tony set from a long time ago.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 4 дня назад

      I also have German made tools in my collection mostly. Baho used to made in Sweden, they moved their factories and machineries to Spain. Now a days mostly Bahco tools are made in China/Taiwan

    • @6900pilot
      @6900pilot 4 дня назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos Even some of the German brands have done this. Very dissapointing, I'm glad to have my genuine German collection. I feel more and more of this will happen!

  • @lovejoyone
    @lovejoyone 5 дней назад

    I have the S138 - the box locking clips are the worst - when i set the box down on the ground 6 out of 10 times the locks open by themselves - and box opens and all parts fall out . Worst box ever

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 4 дня назад

      I have opposite experience but may be now a days, the quality is compromised

  • @naeemrsheed1478
    @naeemrsheed1478 5 дней назад

    Amazing video 👍

  • @Werkzeugsammler
    @Werkzeugsammler 5 дней назад

    Guter Hazet Steckschlüsselsatz!!!Ist auch preiswert zu haben!Die älteren im Blechkasten gefallen mir besser!Alte original erhaltene Hazet Steckschlüsselsätze kaufen!Und dann die neueren Ratschen reinpacken!😊

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 4 дня назад

      Du hast vollkommen recht

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 4 дня назад

      Bei Ebay Kleinanzeigen konnte ich jetzt 2 alte Original erhaltene Hazet Steckschlüsselsätze erwerben!Die 1/2"Ratschen neueren Typ's wie die HIPer Feinzahnratsche 916 HP und die 916 HPS werde ich wohl bei Amazon kaufen!

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 4 дня назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos hallo mein geehrter Hazet-Freund!Wenn Du mir sagen kannst welchen alten gut erhaltenen Hazet Steckschlüsselsatz Du suchst...dann kann ich danach Ausschau halten!

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 4 дня назад

      @@Werkzeugsammler Sie haben Glück, dass Sie diese alten Steckschlüsselsätze gefunden haben. Ich habe auf dieser Website einige interessante Werkzeugsätze gefunden, darunter einen alten Hazet-Wagen, aber sie wollen ihn nicht versenden. Wenn Sie eine E-Mail haben, kann ich Ihnen direkt eine E-Mail senden.

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 2 дня назад

      Wenn ich diese beiden Hazet Steckschlüsselsätze geschickt bekommen habe...melde ich mich nochmals!Wenn Du Interesse hast an Einen von Beiden?!Dann können wir gern ins Geschäft kommen!Eventuell auch Tausch oder So!MfG Jörg

  • @sotys7669
    @sotys7669 7 дней назад

    Adjusting handbrake with drum off is the master genius

  • @royfourie1965
    @royfourie1965 7 дней назад

    Which is better hazett, gedore or stahl willie

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 6 дней назад

      Hard question. This how I can answer. I like Hazet hiper series ratchets, Stahlwille wrenches and Gedore's specialty tools

  • @intunewithcars9484
    @intunewithcars9484 8 дней назад

    should of change drop links too,,,didnt you notice play in them

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 8 дней назад

      I think it looked fine. I would have changed if it was bad at the time.

    • @intunewithcars9484
      @intunewithcars9484 8 дней назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos looked like too much play to me

  • @Twistedstar0320
    @Twistedstar0320 9 дней назад

    How is the warranty?

  • @moldyzucchinis3251
    @moldyzucchinis3251 9 дней назад

    thats a beauty

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 9 дней назад

    Great review 👍.

  • @GEFELICITEERD45
    @GEFELICITEERD45 10 дней назад

    I never use a 1/2 Ratchet 3/8 works better !

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 10 дней назад

      I use 1/2" ratchet mostly on brakes or suspensions etc. I prefer 1/2" ratchet if there is enough space else 3/8" is most used ratchet for me too

  • @Werkzeugsammler
    @Werkzeugsammler 10 дней назад

    Hazet ist leider auch auf Kunststoffboxen umgestiegen für die Steckschlüsselsätze!😢Der Kasten 905B hat Sammlerwert!Eventuell zur Ausstattung noch eine zusätzliche 1/2" Ratsche 916 HPS zulegen!Dieser Hazet Steckschlüsselsatz ist so wie bei Gedore der Jubiläumssteckschlüsselsatz 1919-90!!!

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 10 дней назад

      Ich habe ein paar alte Hazet-Werkzeugsätze. Einer ist 906-1 und über den anderen habe ich keine Informationen gefunden. Es wäre schön, einen wirklich alten mit Metallschalen zu bekommen

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 10 дней назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos bei Ebay Kleinanzeigen steht derzeit ein Hazet 905 B drinnen für 370€! Glaube in Reinhland Pfalz!Steht nur Abholung dabei!Kein Versand!Für mich von Thüringen zu weit dorthin zu fahren!

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 10 дней назад

      Bei Ebay Kleinanzeigen hier in Deutschland stehen ein paar alte Hazet Steckschlüsselsätze drinnen!Kannst Du Ebay Kleinanzeigen öffnen?

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 10 дней назад

      @@Werkzeugsammler Ich habe versucht, ein Konto zu eröffnen, aber es gelingt mir nicht. Ich glaube, das können nur Einheimische nutzen. Ich habe dort viele schöne Werkzeuge gesehen, kann sie aber leider nicht kaufen. Wenn ich eines Tages wieder nach Deutschland komme, werde ich versuchen, Werkzeuge von dieser Website zu kaufen, wenn ich dazu in der Lage bin.

    • @Werkzeugsammler
      @Werkzeugsammler 10 дней назад

      Ich könnte ja diesen einen Hazet Steckschlüsselsatz für Dich erwerben und Dir zusenden!Das würde auch gehen!Irgendwann gibt es diese Steckschlüsselsätze vielleicht gar nicht mehr?Ich war und bin jetzt dabei ein paar Reca Steckschlüsselsätze über Kleinanzeigen zu erwerben!Die Reca Norm GmbH ist ein Würth Tochterunternehmen!Und verkauft nur an Gewerbetreibende!Also muss ich sehen das ich soetwas privat über ebay Kleinanzeigen bekomme!Gruß aus dem Osten! 😀

  • @Werkzeugsammler
    @Werkzeugsammler 10 дней назад

    Super Beitrag! 👍 Danke!

  • @ericchase5421
    @ericchase5421 10 дней назад

    So great!

  • @adnanfile
    @adnanfile 11 дней назад

    Bro this is dream for tools lover. More success to you for ur efforts❤

  • @adnanfile
    @adnanfile 11 дней назад

    Good deal u got 😂

  • @trimaranlorenzo
    @trimaranlorenzo 11 дней назад

    I wonder how many tools that a single die can forge before it get replaced.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 11 дней назад

      Good questions. I actually dont know. But they repair the die until it is totally deformed. I think the guy said, it takes more than couple of years to be replaced but i am not sure.

    • @trimaranlorenzo
      @trimaranlorenzo 10 дней назад

      I rewatched the video, they only said "more than a thousand"... I assume it is a trade secret or varies too much since they have more than a thousand products and dies 😊. Understandable.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 10 дней назад

      @@trimaranlorenzo But its a good question, I should have ask more clearly and get the answer. But as you said sometime these technical things are not revealed outside of the organization

  • @adnanfile
    @adnanfile 11 дней назад

    Thanx for information

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 12 дней назад

    Amazing episode very interesting information for us.👍

  • @branned
    @branned 12 дней назад

    Excellent video and tour👍👍

  • @dalitshabat9493
    @dalitshabat9493 12 дней назад

    Very nice Tour ! i learn a lot !! Ty from Argentina!

  • @ws.safluk2325
    @ws.safluk2325 12 дней назад

    Hello bro🎉

  • @interceptor7905
    @interceptor7905 12 дней назад

    Good work mate!Hello from Australia!

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 12 дней назад

      Hi there. Australia is land of natural wonder. Thanks for the feedback

    • @interceptor7905
      @interceptor7905 11 дней назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos Thanx mate.I have some Hazet tools and some other stuff,you can't beat the quality

  • @David_Nakashidze
    @David_Nakashidze 13 дней назад

    I just bought the Hazet 600spc set. The finish isn’t great and there are chips on many spanners. I also have the Stahlwille open box 13 set of spanners and they finish is great, every details is manufactured accurately. It’s a pleasure to use them. I’m thinking of if I have done the right choice with the Hazet, let’s see in practice, or I could have gone with an alternative which would have costed half the cost, like Tekton

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 13 дней назад

      I have full set of Hazet wrenches but in longer length. They are absoultetly nicely finished and strong as you can get. Pretty satisfied with the wrenches. Their customer service is good, just send them back and get replacement. But my all time favorites are Stahlwille wrenches though.

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 15 дней назад

    Great review 👍 it's my favorite one ....

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 16 дней назад

    👍

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 16 дней назад

    Great important of Hazet fans keep it up 👍

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 16 дней назад

    Amazing episode 😊

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 17 дней назад

    Thanks for this video very helpful for me....

  • @ws.safluk2325
    @ws.safluk2325 17 дней назад

    Wait hazet factory tour🎉😊

  • @EdAtoZ
    @EdAtoZ 17 дней назад

    Car Repair, Yes very buy. I do like the clamp, I have one for stamp blue point locking pliers and their great for very small items. Like tieing fishing fly's. Have you look at the Knipex locking pliers.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 17 дней назад

      Exactly these arr pretty handy. Yes, I have knipex vice pliers too. Those are good too in my opinion

  • @branned
    @branned 18 дней назад

    I have a Bahco made-in-France mini plier set. Any Bahco made-in-Sweden hand tools I find at estate/garage sales I buy. It is rare to find in the USA.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 17 дней назад

      That's new for me that Bahco made in France. Interesting. Here in Finland, lots of old pipe wrenches available which are made in Sweden but 2nd hand. I could send you one some day if you want to and free of cost since you are my regular viewer :)

    • @branned
      @branned 17 дней назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos Thank you for the kind offer, but Pipe Wrenches for me I find and are wall hangers. 😉😉 Like you I do like Bahco tools from Sweden.

  • @HAYYANHani-ql1jo
    @HAYYANHani-ql1jo 18 дней назад

  • @hayyan5134
    @hayyan5134 18 дней назад

    great

  • @hayyan5134
    @hayyan5134 18 дней назад

    nice

  • @Callelle6251
    @Callelle6251 18 дней назад

    I've honestly never been impressed by Grip-On's vice grips, made in Spain, Argentina, or otherwise. The cheap taiwanese ones have always been more than fine for me.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 18 дней назад

      I agree with you partially. Even best quality vice grip failed on me. If the teeth have life time warranty thats the way to go else teeth stripped anyway. I have used now already these Bahco pliers and these are holding up pretty good so far.

    • @branned
      @branned 18 дней назад

      @@carrepairandtoolsvideos Snap-on has tools made in Spain by Bahco (they own Bahco now). The Malco Eagle Grip Locking Pliers (USA) are the best made. That's why Snap-on purchased the plant last year when they closed.

    • @carrepairandtoolsvideos
      @carrepairandtoolsvideos 18 дней назад

      @@branned ahan good to know that. thanks for sharing info

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 18 дней назад

    Amazing review,👍

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 20 дней назад

    Nice 👍 it's my favorite one....

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 20 дней назад

    Nice review👍

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 22 дня назад

    Awesome video thanks 👍

  • @sabhi7473
    @sabhi7473 23 дня назад

    Pp

  • @bunny-k7p
    @bunny-k7p 24 дня назад

    Thanks for this video very helpful for us...