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Jeep Event Season is HERE!
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we check out the most popular Jeep events this season, revisit Doug and Caleb's top picks and answer some awesome mailbag questions!
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Confirming or Busting Off Road Myths
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Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we check into several "Myths" In the off road world and either confirm them, bust them or see if they're plausible! Topics we cover today: 0:00 - Intro 05:50 - Myth 1 - A Manual Transmission is better than Automatic 09:48 - Myth 2 - You HAVE to have lockers to go off road 13:29 - Myth 3 - You Don't need new gears with the new JL 8 Speed 23:50...
Does New "Tech" Make Up For Bad Driving?
Просмотров 655 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we dive deeper on the newest technology in vehicles, and discuss whether or not modern tech in offroad vehicles makes up for lack of driving talent! Want to build your offroad rig? Check out Outlaw Offroad at Theoutlawoffroad.com Follow us on social media @Dirt2Dustshow ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored...
The Future of Off-Roading with Electric Vehicles
Просмотров 886 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we discuss current electric vehicles that are geared for the trail, as well as what we may see in the near future! Today we cover: - The all new Jeep Recon, Wagoneer S and other off road capable electric vehicles - What electric or hybrid vehicles we may see in the near future - Technology as a whole in the off road industry - What the benefi...
The Best TRUCKS For Off Road in 2024
Просмотров 2076 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we discuss 2024 truck models and compare which is the best for off road use! Today we cover: - Which Mid Size, Full Size and HD Trucks made for the trail - Q&A session 0:00 - Welcome To Dirt2Dust 01:43 - Intro 02:39 - Announcements and Events 13:16 - New Nitto Tire Coming Soon? 19:00 - Best Offroad Midsize Trucks 42:00 - Best Offroad Full Siz...
Is Overlanding a DYING trend? + How to Plan an Off Road Route
Просмотров 4266 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we dive into a new format packing everything you love from two shows into one! Today we cover: How to Plan an Off Road Route for Your 4x4 Is Overlanding dead? Overlanding evolution to camping trailers and more ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored-since-1941-t-shirt #Offroadtips #Offroad #Offroading #overla...
JL Flat Towing, Best Switch Panels & Rubicon Rear Locker Issues | Mailbag Q&A
Просмотров 1227 месяцев назад
You have questions.. We try to have the answers! Each week we will dive into the mail bag and look at a few quick questions from the off road community and help explain the best way that we can. No sales, no gimmicks. Just good old fashion honest advice. Today we cover: -What is the best way to flat tow a lifted Wrangler JL? -What is the best and most affordable switch panel? -What to do when a...
Our Best Tips For Off Road Beginners (Part 2)
Просмотров 1167 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we hop back into our discussion on our top tips for those new to the world of offroading! If you have your own set of tips, drop them in the comments below! We might feature them on next week's episode! ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored-since-1941-t-shirt #Offroadtips #Offroad #Offroading #Howtooffroad ...
2025 Wrangler 392 Final...Final Edition? + HUGE Outlaw Offroad News!
Просмотров 5207 месяцев назад
Welcome to another episode of Dirt2Dust! The off road podcast that keeps you up to speed on everything off road. Instead of a mail bag for our usual Friday episode, we check out Jeep / Stellantis' news of the return of the 392 Final Edition for 2025. We also go over some HUGE news from Outlaw Offroad as the team gears up for an awesome event in September Chapters: 0:00 - Announcements 01:34 - I...
Our Best Tips For Off Road Beginners (Part 1)
Просмотров 2107 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we discuss some of our top tips for those new to the world of offroading! If you have your own set of tips, drop them in the comments below! We might feature them on next week's episode! ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored-since-1941-t-shirt #Offroadtips #Offroad #Offroading #Howtooffroad #Howtogooffroad ...
Jeep Tazers, IFS Differential Drops, & Winch Ratings | Mailbag Q&A
Просмотров 1297 месяцев назад
You have questions.. We try to have the answers! Each week we will dive into the mail bag and look at a few quick questions from the off road community and help explain the best way that we can. No sales, no gimmicks. Just good old fashion honest advice. Today we cover: -What is A Tazer JL module, and is it worth the money? -Are IFS Differential Drop Brackets good or bad? -What size winch shoul...
Mob Moab 2024 Recap with Special Guest - Jeremy Purick (Rock Krawler Suspension)
Просмотров 2327 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we discuss Mob Moab 2024 with special guest - Jeremy Purick - Owner of Rock Krawler Suspension! Things we also discuss: What is Mob Moab When Did Mob Moab Start? How the new 4Xe did off road Future Mob Events ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored-since-1941-t-shirt #MobMoab #MobMoab2024 #Moab #Moabutah #Roc...
Yes... DUAL Steering Stabilizers Still Suck
Просмотров 657 месяцев назад
You have questions.. We try to have the answers! Each week we will dive into the mail bag and look at a few quick questions from the off road community and help explain the best way that we can. No sales, no gimmicks. Just good old fashion honest advice. Today we cover: -Why we think DUAL Steering stabilizers have no use for an off road rig -Replacing geometry correction brackets with control a...
Why A GOOD Spotter Is So Important
Просмотров 1097 месяцев назад
Welcome back to another episode of Dirt2Dust! Today, we discuss what makes a good spotter so important on a wheeling trip! Things we also discuss: What makes a BAD spotter? Is there a difference between west coast and east coast spotting? Doug's Spotting Experiences ALL NEW MERCH! 👇 theoutlawoffroad.com/merch/ols/products/spotters ignored-since-1941-t-shirt Do you rely on a good spotter when yo...
When Does Your Jeep STOP Being a Daily Driver?
Просмотров 2658 месяцев назад
You have questions.. We try to have the answers! Each week we will dive into the mail bag and look at a few quick questions from the off road community and help explain the best way that we can. No sales, no gimmicks. Just good old fashion honest advice. Today we cover something all of us have thought about while building a Jeep.. Do I continue to daily drive it, even if its on 40s? Check out o...
Steering Stabilizers Cause Death Wobble? JT Tow Ratings & JL Tire Carriers | Mailbag Q&A
Просмотров 3218 месяцев назад
Steering Stabilizers Cause Death Wobble? JT Tow Ratings & JL Tire Carriers | Mailbag Q&A
87, 91 or 93 for your JL 2.0L Turbo? Here's What You Need to Know!
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87, 91 or 93 for your JL 2.0L Turbo? Here's What You Need to Know!
10 Must-Pack Essentials for Safety & Recovery For Your Next Wheeling Trip
Просмотров 1008 месяцев назад
10 Must-Pack Essentials for Safety & Recovery For Your Next Wheeling Trip
More Gear Questions, Jeep Flex, and...Tequila??? | Mailbag Q & A
Просмотров 639 месяцев назад
More Gear Questions, Jeep Flex, and...Tequila??? | Mailbag Q & A
Duck Duck Jeep: Passing Fad or Jeep Community Staple?
Просмотров 2749 месяцев назад
Duck Duck Jeep: Passing Fad or Jeep Community Staple?
Jeep Programming, JL Bike Racks, And the BEST JL Exhaust | Mailbag Q & A
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Jeep Programming, JL Bike Racks, And the BEST JL Exhaust | Mailbag Q & A
Ultra4 Battle In Bluegrass Race Recap
Просмотров 629 месяцев назад
Ultra4 Battle In Bluegrass Race Recap
What Is The Best CHEAP Off Road Daily Driver?
Просмотров 4119 месяцев назад
What Is The Best CHEAP Off Road Daily Driver?
What Does It Take To Prep an Ultra4 Jeep?
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What Does It Take To Prep an Ultra4 Jeep?
2025 Toyota 4Runner - Key Features and Jeep Guy Reactions
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2025 Toyota 4Runner - Key Features and Jeep Guy Reactions
On the Trail or Off the Grid: Exploring Offroad vs Overland Adventures
Просмотров 739 месяцев назад
On the Trail or Off the Grid: Exploring Offroad vs Overland Adventures
What Is The Best Daily Driver For Offroading?
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What Is The Best Daily Driver For Offroading?
Good info guys, I've ran the premium in my 2019 jeep 2.0 turbo , always ran great.
Is chevron fuelbsystme clean safe to use with the 2.0l turbo?
Great talk guys …. What is your opinion on install oil catch can for the 2.0l ? I heard some good and bad opinions…. Like pressure build up and oil leaks due to Oil catch cans installed adding additional pressure build up …. Any info appreciated…..Cheers
Sorry for the late response. A catch can is a good idea. We see a ton of 3.6's and 2.0s that need new oil coolers or oil pumps because of dry starts.
@@TheOutlawOffroad Thank you a bunch for a reply ….will oil catch can protect from dry starts ? I know it extends the lines and gas travel while running . I have been using the fuel treatment you recommended I love it .
Question - Just bought a ‘22 JLU with 2.0 Turbo. I’m not sure what octane gas was run previously. I drove it 800 miles from where I bought it to get back home. The first tank I put in myself, I used 93 and added the Chevron w/Techron. After that, I’ve noticed a slight diesel sound. Wondering if I should use 93 with the Techron for the next couple of tanks, or should I be using 87 with the Techron for a couple of tanks before switching to 93? Hope that makes sense. Any insight would appreciated. Thank you!
If it is already ticking, 87 would probably work the best as that is what it's used to. In our experience though, especially with the 2.0 Turbo - once it starts knocking like a diesel, it may not get better
What about quality of 89?There's no migrate anymore Mid grade and high octane is expensive because of biden
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I’ve started using a certain type of oil called purple to try to help keep my engine clean
Royal Purple is good stuff! We really like Amsoil as well
It's obvious that neither one of you understand how modern computer controlled engines work. First the computer will not let the engine spark knock it will retard the timing to prevent it. These modern engines burn ultra clean and there is no way carbon on the piston will cause preignition because there is very little carbon on these pistons. If we were talking about a 60s high performance high compression engine with mechanical timing advance and a carburetor then yes the thing you describe can happen. The only possible advantage to high octane fuel in a modern engine is more power because the slower burning fuel allows the computer to advance the ignition timing.
Maybe you should start a podcast, you’re so smart! Appreciate the comment though, it helps our engagement numbers.
@@TheOutlawOffroad Just because you have a podcast doesn't mean you have a clue what you're talking about on this subject. I've turned wrenches most of my life and had my own shop for 26 years. I will put my mechanical experience up against your sit on your ass talking to a camera about things you've never done and don't even understand any time.
High octane fuel doesn't necessarily burn slower. How fast certain gasolines burn shouldn't be of any concern to anyone besides race engine builders anyway. It would be more desirable to have quickest burning fuel, that would allow for less ignition timing and less parasitic loss. But that is not a factor to worry about in street cars/engines or for 99.999% of people
@@connor3288 High octane fuel does burn slower that is exactly what the octanes measurement is for. The advantage of high octane fuel is the ability to run more advanced ignition timing and higher compression ratios without causing pre ignition aka spark knock which increases power.
@@mikeeaves2329 octane is resistance to detonation. How fast a fuel burns is not directly linked to octane value though. I have read some fuels burn slightly slower or faster and thus would need different ignition timing for best power. That is high level stuff though, only a concern to racers running race gas on built engines. It wouldn't be a consideration on a street car. I believe VP Race Fuel website talks about this in more detail.
VVT will not allow detonation
we have had a few Jeeps in the shop that say otherwise...
@@TheOutlawOffroad then the VVT is not working...
Hey Just found your channel. Think you guys do a great show. I had a 2012 JK 2dr Dozer Color. Now I have a 2024 Jeep Willys. I am keeping it Just Black and White. Thanks
MFE
How many miles recommend for the 2.0 Turbo fuel cleaner
Great question. They didn't answer you
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Sorry for the late response. We generally run a bottle of fuel cleaner in our 2.0 every oil change. so roughly every 5kish miles
I have a 2.0 Turbo 4 by e jeep wrangler. 93 better than the manual said 87. Hard to always let the engine 1 minutes shut down time because of the electric kicking in.
the 4XE is a tricky one. We actually have one as a shop rig that we have been testing out too. The easiest way is to move the shifter to the manual position and hold the brakes for a minute. This will force it into the ICE. This is also helpful for those who see the dreaded FORM on the dash.
Power wagon is the most capable-off road HD of the trucks you mentioned. Front and rear lockers. front sway bar disconnect, 4.10 gr. Kind of like a Rubicon HD. Chev does not have that, neither does Ford. The Rebel HD has no front locker or disco, so less off road capable than PW. It does have a diesel option which makes it heavier. Ram(Jeep too) is stupid expensive. I bought a used Tradesman 2500 with the Power wagon option for half price. I use it as a bush truck in BC on FSRs and wet muddy trails, so vinyl interior, rubber floor mats, no fancy add-ons(Not worried about scratching paint). I spent the money I saved on a Carli Pintop lift and 37s. It gets me into where I need to go and back out again.
Solid point! I think because of the price, we immediately ruled the powerwagon out, but maybe it should take a second look! Thanks for the input!
Yes it is dying, or at least it should be dying: Because it's normal OG car camping but with a shitload more steps and money to impress people who don't care about you on the internet. Overlanding happens automatically if you go: Fishing, hiking, hunting, camping, backpacking, etc. Way too much focus on being comfortable, it's "adventuring" without anything actually adventurous. ~Recovering overlander who fortunately didn't spend 50k on shit for a 10k vehicle.
"recovering overlander" We love it 🤣🤣 YOu've got a point though! Is it really overlanding if it doesnt really involve adventure?
The term "Overlanding" is dumb to begin with!
we prefer "Rocklanding" 😉😉
great show as always!
yo, you showed up on my feed. Do you have anything to do with "donut media"? Some of them guys started doing new stuff and you only have 85 subs. im interested in mechanical engineering and the advancement of technology, so off roading is pretty cool. LMK
Glad to show up on your feed! We ar e not associated with Donut Media, but we do have a ton of info to share for the off road community! Let us know if you have any questions or topics you would love to hear about
I hope it's dying so prices come back down to regular land.
I see Caleb is back with the Casting Couch Set.
the casting couch never left 😅 slightly different camera angle while i set up the big camera as a webcam!
the casting couch will never die
Great advice!!
Thanks for the feedback!
Great video guys! Kim is pumped for this event (unfortunately I’m not allowed to off-road yet)
We're hoping for a speedy recovery for you! Cant wait to see at least half of the DownSouth team there!
@@Dirt2DustShow thanks!
The audio is very poppy
We're working on that!
Here is a short list: - never air down. Manufacturer tire pressure is best - never bring an air compressor. It adds too much weight - never bring a full size spare. Te little one is fine. - always go as fast as possible. Going slow makes it too dusty and no one likes that - always go alone - don’t tell anyone where you’re going. It’s not their business.
Thanks for the great advice.
that's pretty great advice if you want to see other people fail. No gate keeping here!
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We are there dude!!!!🎉
Can't wait to see you there!
We are there dude!!!!🎉
Question for you, I have a 2022 JL rubicon. The stock m220 rear axle has been trussed, Yukon chromoly axle shafts (32 spline) and re-geared to 4.88 gears. The rear locker has some clunking when the locker is engaged and drives perfect when not engaged. I assume the rear factory locker has been destroyed. I am looking for a replacement locker but can’t find anyone who has a solution for this problem. My local jeep dealership said they could sell me a whole rear axle for $2500. I already have a decent amount of money wrapped up in this axle. Should I cut my losses and upgrade to a 1 ton axle or should I figure out a way to get a new locker? Thanks for the help!
Add more Pennies in the rear differential. It is the best lubricant and can reform missing teeth.
SOLID question! We will answer this in depth on the next Mailbag episode this friday, so be on the lookout!
@@johnmadsen37 another terrible answer.. do you have anything better to do?
40s for life... I am ready for 40s on my SuperDuty
that thing will look great with a set of 40s under it
Caleb Im in for Windrock in August!
Let's make it happen!
I am glad I made not 1 but 2 episodes of the podcast! Great event and great time with old friends and new friends.
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So i saw a post in the gladiator group that showed people using a yard stick and gluing the ducks it and placing it on the dash to hold them in place.
that makes more sense than gluing them to the dash or using a good double sided tape
According to the duck people they are held on with unicorn dust mixed with the tears of a Jeepers who didn't get a wave and positive thoughts 😂
Hey i didn’t rely on facebook. Calebs iPhone contact info updated it on my phone so I didn’t forget.
Iphones for the win!!
Ok so what stabilizer would you run on a Mojave
We really liked the Fox ATS pass through stabilizer we had on the shop Mojave!
Happy to find you guys out in the you tube-iverse
happy to have you here with us!
Can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers. I’m a Toyota guy but I appreciate jeeps and love the long format off road content. Keep it up!
Thanks for tuning in! We've got a ton more coming!
I live in the Austin area and when I work on the weekends I drive a lot. If I see less than 25 90k jeeps on a Saturday it is a light day. A lifted CRV gets more attention, I am a Toyota guy and they aren't allowed to talk to us apparently. Great episode, you explained quite a few mysteries to me. When I bought my overlander I was unaware I was joining a club. I rarely come to a stop at the grocery store, gas pump, etc.. and not have someone approach me... Except for Jeep guys, always been weird to me. We do however do the Landcruiser wave here but we don't get butt hurt if you don't.
We truly don't understand the Jeep vs Toyota thing with some Jeep people or groups. Cool well built rigs are cool well built regardless of what brand is on the front of it. We may not wave all the time but we sure as hell appreciate a clean well thought out build! Thanks for listening! 😎🤝
I appreciate and enjoy this channel. I have a 22 jeep wrangler rubicon and have an entry level 3” lift but am looking for significantly more flex. Could you make a suggestion for a suspension for someone who wants to take their jeep to the next level and beyond.
Check out the latest episode released on friday! We appreciate you submitting a question for us!
Jeep Wrangler Rubicons you choose the year!
Rubicons do have a special place in our hearts, but they are by no means cheap!
Unfortunately, It is one of the most stolen vehicle in Canada So besure to install a good anti-theft system with a couple GPS in it and install a dumb or fake OBD port
That's a good idea for any vehicle regardless of where you live!
Good talk. I am a mall crawler, School pick up line guy, but enjoy a ruggedized look. The Trailhunter Everest Green color with bronze accents is surprisingly great.
We think that will be a top seller for sure. The more we read into the Trail Hunter package, the more we like it!
Honestly if you break it down to the history of offroading. Overlanding was the original lifestyle of offroad. These guys in the early 70s who discovered most of our facorite trails didnt do it with all the gadgets and gizmos, fancy suspensions, gps, or stay in hotels. They took mostly stock CJs and first gen toyotas and they cut across america with a tent and a machete lol. They were the true pioneers of the offroad culture. Can you even imagine running the rubicon trail just to get from point A to B because it was neccessary. And now we do it as a bucket list trip on 40s and tons. these dudes were doin it in model Ts. Thats the REAL American spirit of true overlanding. Rock Crawling was just a circle of overlanders arguing over who could get over the biggest rock 😄
Absolutely correct! Have you seen the group of Willy's that stay period correct and do overlanding / wheeling trips? Now that is awesome to watch!
I consider myself a Rocklander or OverCrawler 😂
Rocklanding has a great ring to it
Also 4wd doesnt always mean "4wd" whole nother coversation on open and locked 4wd. great episode caleb
Correct.. one that we don't want to get into at the moment and confuse anyone lol. The question came from a new Jeeper, so Caleb tried to break it down as simple as possible for that audience
great episode, even without Caleb lol. I agree with everything on the list, even though Ive never owned a Bronco I can see Ford gaining traction with it. With guys like like Bronc Busters and Mountains 2 Metal are out doing a lot of R&D. and if Ford listens and ever shoves a v8 in one thats not 80gs they might be a huge ccontender. Now getting over the Jeep Cult base is a differnt story, Broncos been gone so long its jumped generational gaps, where guys like us (old) remember the old steel reliabilty of a v8 bronco, and they had their version of the XJ with the bronco II. I just think the faded out to long and now with the market today us guys that remember arent gonna pay new car prices for the mediocore version of our memories.
Good point! Maybe Ford will take a play out of the Jeep playbook and offer a 5.0 version for a few years. We dont see that as budget friendly though.
Why don’t you have this on the Apple podcast platform? I stumbled upon it, but can’t find it elsewhere.
Hey! We are on Apple Podcasts, ( we started uploading there first actually), Spotify and youtube. Apple Podcast link podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirt2dust/id1668221603
I have a 2020 Jeep gladiator, currently running 3” rock Krawler adventure x lift. 40” tires. I have been looking at upgrading my factory driveshafts as the rubber boots on them have started getting tore up the more off-roading i have been doing lately. Two questions. One is there an advantage or disadvantage when replacing the rear shaft with going with a 1 piece over a 2 piece like molar offers as an upgrade? In my head a 2 piece would help with angles and well as clearance while off-roading. Also the difference between going to lets say Adam’s je reel etc the main stream drive shaft companies over lets say Olivers drive shafts local here in NC?
Also if i decide to go up to a 4.5 lift in the future would your answer be any different?
Solid questions! We'll try to answer these on the next episode!
Where are the F55 booklets available?
You can get them directly from f55. Might have to give them a call
With the prices of vehicles, these days and interest rates through the roof, I decided to buy a jeep that was proven and simple to repair out of warranty. I plan on keeping my 2024, 3.6 L Rubicon XR for a very long time.
Solid choice! We have no complaints about the 3.6. its a tried and true engine, and with the new 8 speed its a totally different beast than what was in the JK's.
One motor that I’ve found a lot people either don’t know they exist or just forget it the mild hybrid 3.6 etorque motor. I’ve found a substantial difference in bottom end torque in my wife’s JL compared to the regular 3.6 that’s in my gladiator. Even with mine regeared to 5.13. With that being said I am running 40’s compared to hers with 38’s. Looking forward to seeing how Doug’s holds up to Pritchett with him driving.
I totally agree! I bought a 2021 two-door Rubicon with that engine. That jeep was a rocket ship and literally got 21 miles per gallon. I drove it from Phoenix to Moab, ran Hells revenge Trail and then back to Phoenix and averaged over 20 MPG for the entire trip!
We feel that Jeep was definitely testing out the hybrid capabilities with that one.
Great episode. I swapped to all Factor 55 recovery gear back in 2022 when I first met Justin out at KOH. Great news hearing that the hammer loop will come available to the public after seeing it used for years. Can’t wait to pick up one for my ultra hook.
I think we just scratched the surface with Justin.. This dude is a wealth of knowledge and experience. We cant wait to see the hammer loop out for everyone too. Such a valuable understated tool