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well, you're onto something 😁 yesterday i had a fun match (no not havoc, this party finder shitshow is more waiting game than anything else) in HISTG only to find out steam again fucking up the audio recording 😮 so as a way to "salvage" it i plan on doing a commentary on the live gameplay. could even be a bonus with no background noise🤞 first i need a better mic/settings for sure

@@IndexGamingChannel Yeah, that does suck... I've read of people having that same exact issue with their mics too while recording. My mic is a RE20 (Black Edition). Honestly... I love it more than my Shure SM7B which is probably the most popular mic on the market. The voice quality is just incredible. Really the best I've found. Only downfall is that it's over 500 bucks off-sale. On-sale, it was a little over 400 Canadian (I'm in Canada). But if you want to go a cheaper route... I'd get the Logitech Blue Yeti. The quality is still pretty solid & picks up well. Very popular among podcasting/FPS shooter gamer people. Anything will do honestly something that's at least over 100 bucks will be fine lmao. Depending on your budget.

You can’t always charge in solo high havoc, most of the times your Indomitable will just sit there while you hold your ground to survive a wave

@ i mean no need to charge the full distance. Also charging into safety. Had a game today where i actually would hve liked some CDR to get my charge back faster to either get to cover or close the distance faster

@@busch_ii7450 theres no definite answer for sure BUT as stated below I as well am not repositioning constantly. and for me, bullrush is mainly a tool for movement first and damage second. bit lenghty to explain in text but that one time i asked soldiers how they'd defend from a knife attack i got surprised looks and the answer: "if someones gotten close enough to stab you while your group is carrying a firearm, you totally fucked up anyways 🤣" now what do i mean by that? charge is excellent getting you out of a tight spot or close to your team again. its also great for, as you stated, not fully committing through but push them bowling pins just right. now, that usually applies every few minutes in a run thats not total chaos and zero coordination (on your part as well) if however you find yourself in need of constantly getting out of there quick, its an indicator you shouldnt be there in the first place. again, hectic combat, things change 20x in 5 sec. BUT being in need of your ult to often, maybe thats an indicator to work on pacing and placement. additionally, as for damage: i love charging into a chunky cluster of ragers/gunners you name it. again here's the "but", they dont lay neatly in one space most of the time and by the time i made my way through the "human centipede" on the floor, my damage buff has seized. whereas the ever present damage bonuses in your talent tree never are not available. so for me its the "math of exposure" behind it and the way i play aggressively, i DO get hit a lot, hence the toughness recharge behavior and usually got these benefits ready in every fight. hope that made some sense, maybe in the future and with a better mic i pick some gameplay examples and explain more details 👍

@ it do make sense. I already tried it yesterday and licked it alot. However I in pubs i did have a couple games where i would have liked to have my charge earlier. I might get rid of trample, since the charge is used more as a repositioning tool anyway and try to get the cdr But your use of the branx is actually amazing. I never liked it cos i would chain Heavies and lights and get alot of chip dmg in between. With the push attack you can play much safer. I also thought since you are constantly pushing anyway how good that build might be with Feel No Pain keystone and the side node where you replenish your stacks on a push.

@busch_ii7450 as for the pickaxe pattern: thats the beauty of darktide's combat mechanic, it just "clicks" with me to the point i "feel" whats needed to do, much akin to pure quake 3 physics where your input is translated 100%into on-screen action. might be doing a follow up video since i couldnt put "everything" into one. but explaining "fram skipping" is gonna be hard for me cause i dont do it "consciously" if that makes sense 😁 sometimes things "flow together" and after a match or two you make it a pattern.... guess next time i need a script😅

@@infrared6973 its all about keeping the flow going and as long as you got "map" left you can kite enemies to their deaths almost forever. for crushers its an a)/b) scenario: a) crusher going for a mate with a vertical attack you stagger first the heavy-kill him afterwards b) crusher comes at you with an overhead and you see it telegraphed, go sideways with a heavy of yourself and a small whack afterwards (with a chance a mate gets him down with follow up damage) ragers are just kiting eventually and nothing's as satisfying as "toro...olé" with a mutant, basically wearing your "rock" on a long stick😁

Here's a trick with a bulwark and the Branx vertical heavy: stand close to the bulwark and aim at the sky above his head. The bottom of your swing will hit him in the head over his shield. Really like your combo. I've been doing push attack>heavy>light>heavy etc but your way looks safer, does more damage and saves a talent point from the keystone.

@amagideon1 agreed, with one little situational thing: sometimes still the branx hits the top of the shield. i'd say about 30% of the time... something like that. otherwise i'm with you, aiming up gets you usually a whack in. if however a group of bulwarks are onto you, clanging that one shield might hamper the flow, whereas letting the front row have their wild swing at you gets you to pound them. again, situational. ironically, the bully I club of all things reaches over the shield 100% of the time, go figure 🤣 as for the pattern, its one i found "reliable" with interrupting incoming attacks and most importantly, keep that toughness battery charged 👍 most important thing though, i'm glad you liked it, took me a while to get past that "awkwardness" of rambling into my screen.😁

@@drago7279 thanking you, pal 💪🏻 for rashuns an emprah. though party finder being the "hardest part" should give fatshark something to ponder while opening their christmas presents. 🙄 this and ogryn mechanics in havoc as a whole. otherwise i send krampus up there to sort things out 😅

@@TheBryanrice1991 my thanks, im just glad to be done with right now, imagine my frustration finding out about the recording having no sound. steam fixed it in the meantime and i'll gonna play some 40s again as well but not being at the whim of the party finder and being able to host some (if people join ogryn that is) takes quite the pressure off the lid. and as proclaimed, "i did it my way" 😝 the tedious...random...soul draining... oh emprah what have i done🤣 the irony is havoc as a mode feels great but its just not as "available" as hopping into a HISTG or auric maelstrom when you spontaneously find some time to play. and thats for fatshark to fix along a mechanic to make ogryn independent from book and bubble.

@@IndexGamingChannel No problem! I hope you fix it! Honestly, I haven't seen too many people with the "True Survivor" title on & I've been playing a shit load of Maelstorm & some Havoc. It must be a bit rare, I'm thinking. It's only a small percentage of people in the game that can actually complete these kinds of things it seems. I'm only saying this because most randoms I play with aren't that great in general & this is just Damnation as well, I mean lmao. I feel only select few will have it for awhile. Seems a bit prestigious. I also love the Poxbreaker title as well, but still think True Survivor is slightly above. I would rank it like this: True Survivor, Havoc Forge, Budding Interrogator, Poxbreaker & literally last.... A.S.S. lol... The interesting thing is no Alt-F4 & everybody cannot be downed, so of course it will take some effort even being carried in my mind, how can you carry dead weight & earn the title? lmao. But some guy was arguing that it's not super impressive... & in my view if I'm objectively comparing it to A.S.S. it is lmao.

@@TheBryanrice1991 kinda its own meme right now is zealots and psykers carry true survivor title in the majority of cases, having "earned" it solely out of under each others skirts. yes my true survivor had those as well (dudes played awesome though) and some "critique" was me being set up for success "hard" which is rich coming from those not playing anything else than the safe option. yes true survivor is the harder to get title, akin to twins hardmode in terms of lucking out of teams to find(when it comes to randoms) but havoc forged opens more doors in party finder giving them the false hope of "if he's done 40 already he'll get us through no matter what". A.S.S is THE self outing 99% of the cases that flashing a title weighs greater for them than any personal skill, hence the worth for a team is questionable at best and most of the time they'll quit at first downed, ironically what it says on the tin already 😁 recording is sorta fixed. was doing a mic check (yes commented video incoming 😱) and sometimes steam still fucks up not recording ingame but mic only..... gonna get interesting

@@IndexGamingChannel Ohh no doubt! I really wish it was called "The Insane" rather than True survivor. That would of been pretty cool actually. Somebody said that to me & they were like it's almost like it's backwards lol. Because it was somewhat hell to get.

@@rubatirabbit you and me both. the "Bittsteller" approach when technically you got the skills but your character is missing some "talents" right now kills all my patience to deal with the party finder instead of firing up some other game thats available right away. again i get people not wanting to waste their 3 shots at climbing the ladder, but fatshark needs to rethink their demotion system, randoms are not the environment for such "Sippenhaft"

@@labanix as things are right now, fatshark needs to rethink demotions. i get the idea behind it, but main mistake of concept i think was suggesting people come from a premade concept. few got the luxury of 3 other mates ready at any hour and usually its randoms without voice. therein lies the issue with them then playing it safe at all costs cause you never know what can of worms you signed up for. plus having 2 talents mandatory and rank them higher than actual physical skill is... "not well thought out" to remain polite😁 stay on it, in time you'll make it, no matter how straining the party finder might be. as for werner.... there was rather a scream of agony when finding out about the muted sounds 😤

that's for depending on that PoS party finder, it kills my desire to play havoc the moment i open it

@@pirx9798 sadly fatsharks idea of content was putting people in a rat race with ever dwindling participants and i cant blame people calling it quits once its done.

@@labanix for better or worse, i made good on my promise, here's an unscripted tutorial ruclips.net/video/PWzUh9STYjA/видео.htmlfeature=shared couldnt put everything into one vid and to be honest its a bit tricky to show or rather "not to show" given the limits of the psykanium. some movement patterns unfold in the thick of things....

@ZUKOKBG on it.... uploading again tonight edit: for fks sake.... steam messed the audio up while recording.... no settings changed no new hardware. bottom line, source material is faulty as well so even with editing software the one sound channel that was recorded, was blank. the icing on the cake... NO other video did this, like ever. sure it had to be the havoc 40 video that gets messed up...... just my luck

No sound in darktide recordings here too, I've just tested it. Have to see if other games are also affected. Not clear ATM if it's the last update of windows or steam.

thx dude, i wish the video wasnt fucked up thanks to something i gotta check with steam tomorrow.... as things stand now, no sound even in the source material.....

@@IndexGamingChannel man that sucks, at first i thought youtube didn´t upload properly

@@analogmunky6608 once i start swinging, i never gonna stop, gotta keep on swinging until i make it to the top 😁💪🏻

my thanks, now for havoc 40

@@spectre722 for me ogryn is a character "from the heart" everything about him clicks just right and the movement pattern so natural to my aggressive playstyle. though i got a vet char all decked out, its not nearly as rewarding to play and for about half a year now i havent been playing as vet. naturally my performance with vet would be waaaay worse. so in a sense i'm not only an ogryn main i AM ogryn 😝

very well played, all of you, my thanks for the smooth match and the chance to show ogryn´s got what it takes for higher havocs. plus i kept my promise doing the true survivor. wasn´t that tense since i competed in quake 3 tournaments almost 25 years ago =D

thanks mate, huge compliment and much appreciated. i was holding back with my talent/tutorial (truth be told i´m still not comfortable talking into a mic but thats another thing :) ) for the reason i wanted to prove it´s versatility and effectiveness first and put some proof behind my claims. now that i´ve gotten true survivor with a stable performance to show for i´m much more confident in putting together an explanation of talents and loadout. one key though up front: footwork playing karsolas first to get a glance of whats possible in terms of speed helps for sure, to get a pattern and rough timing so to speak. but when the branx comes into play, sliding and dodging is a main part of getting that fluid in the first place, as well as helping to evade and backtrack while scraping layer after layer of ragers etc. the combo "push/light/heavy" is key to it as well, you see me numerous times getting kicked off balance and the flow broken, then its important to regain "footing" by forcing some heavy attacks until you´re in that horizontal motion again. again, my thanks, so glad you enjoy the content

@@rubatirabbit with a premade and voice i'd say it isnt a hard requirement, bubble does help though. however what pisses me off to no end right now is that ogryn gets more rejected than not despite having ample tools for the job. blight spread for example isnt really an issue using the branx, backtracking and doing a lawnmower maneuver. granted, shooters are an issue hence the bubble but right now peoples minds are hardwired on 2 zealots / 2 psyker and the rest gets the shaft. dunno if i still keep playing havoc when i made 40 given that right now my spare time is more trying to get into a team than actually playing, with the irony of no one joining once my oggy opens a team myself....

@IndexGamingChannel well, if you would add me I would be happy to play with you name is Rubati

@@rubatirabbit thanks for the offer, what time zone are you at ? right now scheduling playtime around the holidays is a bit tricky. can´t even get to sync my buddies work schedule with mine and he´s 10 miles away 😄

@@IndexGamingChannel I'm in UTC+08:00, Southeast Asia, but I stay up pretty late, just let me know if or when you are available and we can work something out.

@@infrared6973 i get why people play it "safe" when stuff is new and methods unproven yet not getting the chance to pop a havoc 40 whenever i got the time and said time's ticking away looking for a squad is pissing me off to put it mildly. there are great dudes offering help on my way to 40,but in the grand scheme of things i'd like to wrap up 4 matches back to back on a day off at my schedule with the class i chose to play the game with. in that regard ogryn got the shaft until people grow a pair as time passes on. ironically unless whole team goes belly up i was having good results with my oggy so far in havoc. just no means to prove it in party finder 😕

​@@Osa36366 gg and well played indeed, got no doubt to crack havoc 40. the real difficulty is getting past "rejected" as an ogryn 😁 btw, any idea why the ending screen was in a hurry to skip to the loading screen? "aint nobody got time for that"? 😝 whole team went poof

@@IndexGamingChannel not sure about that, worked fine for me 😄 probably some fatshark shenanigans

@@thomasoreilly857 not at all, its proven 1:1 portable to recent conditions and despite the odd"rejected" til havoc 34 reliably 💪🏽 so far i swear by it edit: forgot a minor change due to lack of sleep 😁 branx has unyielding and carapace. but flak would still be a close second👍

@@TheBryanrice1991 i know and mad🤩for it, but this week especially has me between 2 birthdays, chores to no end and the ever dreading 10 hour shift. can get my time scheduled with my gaming buddy 10 miles away, let alone an 8 hours time gap😁 havoc 34 is gonna get uploaded soon, ogryn back to chores and heavy liftin sah 😝

@@TechPriest. ogryn glad i could help, swing hard, swing fast 💪🏻👍

@Ben-e3h2q ogryn no quitter pal 👍

@@infrared6973 yep, got a keen eye there 👍 ogryn's big anyway. for my aggressiv playstyle at least no such thing as taking cover other than slide/dodge. very rarely i get pinned or retreat behind an obstacle and truth be told, as a line of sight breaker, it works regardless of your chars height. now for the benefits: bully I club and, when aiming up, pickaxe lets me whack over the shield of a bulwark (ironically club being more reliable) and the other neat trick is a simple hop lets you deal heatshots with the kickback and send them on their asses😁 now most of the time the game allows for waiting for their "openers" but lately there's been more clusters with overlapping animations catching your attack as a bundle of sorts. so yes, big boy made biggest boy has its advantages 😄

@ imma start playing max height ogryn again. I knew that was a thing but i had lowered it for whatever reason. Right now im loving the new achlys stubber and im always playing branx but i think the achlys pairs well with karsolas as well. Couldnt seem to win a game yesterday but I played as best I could lol

nah, dont sell yourself short, you did a good job and the mission went well / was fun 👍 now for havoc missions which seem to suffer from a less then optimal lobby 😮

@@TheBryanrice1991 due to exactly that same issue, level 21, the match i uploaded yesterday. other than that, a clusterfuck of clueless people that either get floored at the first engagement (gotten carried through a maelstrom prior in order to join havoc) or straight team rejects cause:no ogryn moah domes i get theres a tight pacing but ironically being the last standing in an unsalvageable shitshow and the lobby leader whining about "thx for demoting" well thats the playerbase for ya😁

@@IndexGamingChannel Hey, if you want I did get 40, but got super lucky to have a decent team. In 2 days, I'll have the 40 level ranking & maybe we can do that together? No pressure... Just so you don't have to grind. You'll just get the goodies from it. Ohh for sure.. Usually, I'm the last one alive & if I die it's not because I'm shit just because everybody else dies & gunners can kill you in 1 second in Havoc lol.

@@TheBryanrice1991 thx for the offer, might come back on it🤜 gotten 28 an hour ago, but this time of day servers are low populated i guess 🤷‍♂️ plus for whatever reason ogryn dont seem in high demand for havoc. congrats on the 40 💪🏻

@@IndexGamingChannel If you change your mind, I'm here. 1 day & 20 hours it will update mine to 40 if you want to do it. If not, it's cool. Just message me back on this thread if you end up changing your mind.

no promises =D thing is, i hated the stubber penance with a passion. it´s so against my playstyle and i can hardly get a decent flow with them. that´s not to say stubber aint powerful, quite the contrary. they just heavily rely on a team thats in its toes all the time and keep your back from getting swarmed every 5 meters. what i tested in the psykanium was the krourk heavy stubber, seems the most balanced all around. now it does push out decent damage but when it comes to sliding/movement, there´s always a delay even after your slide came to a stop. so a pause on top of the pause, if that makes sense. what i like with the kickback is it flowing naturally into a melee attack an vise versa, like a extension of each other. stubber is ranged / pause / melee / pause. i try to get a HISTG done the next days, main goal for now though is havoc 40. still scratching my head about how to pull that off with randoms =D

@ ogryn is very difficult to play in havoc due to shooter damage ramping up once you get deeper into havoc but it has been done so its possible. Im probably going to take my psyker in just because its something to do but I know high havoc is pure insanity so who knows. I have seen people saying its totally doable and we all know all the noobs wont make it oast 20 anyway. People are going to be running meta gear and new things so you just gotta find the right group. I quite enjoy playing with randoms but thats really all I ever do anyway so it is what it is.

agreed, same with the twins, when you find the right group it just clicks and feels like a breeze. kinda whats the charm of randoms and a curse at the same time =D so far i´ve seen people hesistant on inviting anyone else beside speedy zealots and dome psykers. granted, psyker made for a nice cushion but at the same time there´s people in havoc 20+ that dont know how to use momentum and go for a stroll instead o.O then again im glad i can still amp up my kickback pickaxe play, still feels the most fluid and natural for me so far

@@OldDevlin "batter" gives bleed on enemies hit with heavy attacks. since last branx horizontal swing is a heavy in the 3 strike combo it worked as the bleed generator when whacking hordes. since elites are mixed into very often they keep bleeding for a little longer 😁 but since yesterdays update i gonna redo the talent video anyways and try to comment this time. secondly the perk in question was for my taste a better choice leading to an offensive one below rather than the two defensive on the left, whereas i got enough toughness regeneration if i just keep killing fast. So this here build is the most straight forward "get stuff dead quick" i could come up with 😀 no stupid question at all and glad my build could help👍

@@IndexGamingChannel Thanks for such an in-depth response, really appreciate it! I have to admit, I'd totally missed Batter. That makes perfect sense. Looking forward to your new video. Thanks again!

​@@OldDevlinin the meantime, good news, build is 100% the same after ogryn tree re-arrangement 👍

if the team is fine with doing the auspex part without folding, this place up there (with ogryn height) gives you a good vantage point on the spawns. given the kickbacks damage potential and the quite close range, you can pick them off before they get a problem for the folks below. anyways glad i could be of help 👍

@@tinybike ruclips.net/video/_gdrVoooFi8/видео.htmlfeature=shared heres the build i use currently with the only chance to branx now having unyielding and carapace. soon i gonna make a commented video explaining the hows and whys just need to get stuff sorted a bit to not drift into incoherent rambling 😁 edit: totally overlooked the change to ogryn talent tree with todays patch, would have been useless doing a skill video earlier anyways 😁

@@IndexGamingChannel thanks! Just got my ogryn to 30 the other day... currently doing gunlugger but want to experiment a bit with other builds

@@tinybike the gunlugger for me personally feels to static, to the point i need to go against my playstyle to make it work. with kickback, ironically the one shot "crude tube", i can move, slide and generaly keep a faster pace. stubber for example has a brief deadzone after a slide comes to the end meaning that even after the movement stopped theres a slight pause. bracing(naturally) makes you almost stationary and situations tend to stir out of my control real quick after that. the stubber can play to its strengths when theres a team having your back. if you get horde harassed at every given moment i'll soak a lot of damage real quick

ogryn pays in blood to get punies back up😁💪

well you can lead em to the water but cant force em to drink😂

@@labanix honestly yes, i did. another subscriber and member of the fatshark forum gave me some incentive and good ideas. now for the "honest" part i've been delaying it for days since i'm neither a native speaker nor particular fond of my own voice 😜 got a recording on my steam that i can comment on and pause to fit in the explanation. guess you gonna hear "Werner herzog" explaining ogryn soon 😁

@IndexGamingChannel i would Love to Hear werner Herzog explaining ogryn!!!

smooth as rashuns, pal. one of these missions when everything flows together and you literally feel the physics of the game working 😃 that and a bit of energy drink as well😂

fatshark wants to cave in and censor in fear of banana state after two years of happy "leichenschändung"? ogryn says:fuck germantown i gonna whack at it till it is no more love how the model distorts from the unintended sideway movement from the traincar. you can see the polygons edge out to the extreme 😅 besides the more pussy state tries to censor the more Leichen gets schänded😂 out of sheer spite erinnerst dich ans hässliche engber-ding?😜

exactly why i wish for I II V E G to be my default mode come havoc and a few more choices in maps and modifiers. once you got a taste of the frantic action nothing else gets that dopamine flowing😅

daemon host russian stack doll😮

@@infrared6973 this feels like a 3 piece riddle to be honest. first and foremost i cant understand people not learning by sheer exposure. talent, skill, dedication, whatever take all of that away (and often times it aint present in the first place) all this repetition up to this very moment can simply not have left any memory or "pavlovian effect", can it? the most boring shit at school/work can be clobbered into the most empty cranium by repetition, but not in an environment people chose for fun? second, self reflection. it cant be the first time the dude folded under such circumstances, why force himself into such situation? clearly this cant be a satisfying experience for any of the participants. dude got carried and didnt even endure it to the end, heck he fell flat in the very start of the map. third, commitment to false decisions in the face of everyone else doing the right thing. in every engagement i look for a chokepoint or the least exposed position. like you said, nothing literally nothing gained from chosing the path without ressources cover or option to retreat to a plan b) and thats the moment i dont bother with rezzing anymore. i plan ahead for fuckups to a degree and rlght at the start i paid a bit of my ressources to get him back on his feet. but i wont jeopardize the run to pay for any obviously wrong decisions, on repeat that is 😁 lastly 1 wound zealots as you point out are another issue, cause most see the 1337-op-zoom-spec video, copy paste without a thought and wonder why they dont get the same results. i could pop the same amount of gear as mr olympia, it'd still end with me in a morgue instead of a stage. pro's can pull off some impressive zealotry, only problem is, most people aint pro 😅

@ yeah my thoughts are usually all over the place lol and you got that right but zealot has the highest skill ceiling and thats qhy I dont play zealot outside of damnation for contracts cuz i dont really like zealot like that. Martyrdom for the most part is a noob trap for average players but it means more med stims for me so hell idrc. Im fairly certain its already proven via the math that momentum is better and im pretty sure playing with the cooldown spam of left tree is better for the average player anyway. What i find even more funny are the zealots who play with 4 or 5 wounds but not the full 7 only dipping into that tree which means they also arent maximizing the damage of martyrdom. I really dont understand the point of needing 7 wounds in this game cuz why would you ever wanna go down that many times between med stations anyway it makes zero sense as a playstyle. Its like these people think theyre so good at the game they cant dare ever be rescued meanwhile they usually end up corrupted and dead anyway. 99% of zealot players are not so good that they need 7 wounds so that they dont ever need to be rescued when you should never be going down 5 6 7 times a game or between med stations anyway.

@ nuke grenade has been helping me alot since I went back to it. I usually try to throw it when I can get anywhere between 4-6 good elite or special kills or if i need to revive someone whose down. Yesterday I stole 3 charges from ammo crate for grenades cuz nobody else was using them lol. I was like idc sometimes u gotta be selfish.

@@infrared6973 big boom is best boom, sah 👍

the problem lies with fatsharks understanding of "content" in general. at first glance "new weapons" would count towards adding said content. however the large redundance in weapon categories and total "duds" like the knive VI, ripper VI, power maul and krourk stubber means item wise we got "enough" weapons, most are just so inferior to the rest. unless one goes for a special personal challenge clearing stuff with the crappiest equipment, i don´t see any use for them. as soon as the pickaxes were availabe every other melee weapon fell short in comparison. to the point i made my playstyle around the branx as of now, for utilizing every aspect of this particular weapon feels better to any other by leaps and bounds. its not just a "preference" thing but the gap in performance is huge in my opinion. shield doesn´t warrant its lack of killing speed being a "defensive" weapon cause i simply clear the screen with the branx in 1/5th of the time it´d take for the heavy attack with the shield to do the same. planting is a noob trap and going defensive in general means enemies clot up to a wipe/tilting point if the rest of the team doesn´t do its job. personally i don´t like the stubber for its choppy flow, the pause between braced and unbraced (and yes every mode got its moment) is pretty situational/static and not as fluid as say the kickback or ripper. most of my style revolves around mobility and movement in general. stubber means being slow, sometimes stopped dead in my tracks and soon dead in general. hated the stubber penance with a passion, never did i take so much unecessary damage due for all the "wrong" reasons. furthermore stubber seems to be a "support" weapon, you need to be undisturbed from hordes or single ankle biters to concentrate on doing your job whereas kickback and ripper can slither around like an eel, push in damage, take out clusters of enemies and be out of the cluster before getting boxed in. as an ogryn i´m most comfortable as the "playmaker" not the rear backup. same with the "new" sword or rather making it available for classes that previously had no access to it. total gamechanger and making others obsolete. so fatshark as of today has a pretty distinct pattern of sunsetting older weapons in bulk instead of adjusting them to the new "norm" when adding new stuff cause most of the playerbase will jump to the new and shiny. i´d like to play with bully I / krourk IV or even shield again, but as often as i need to clutch and carry, the branx is just too good a safety net.

guess sweet brown is playing a zealot right now: oh lord jesus it's a fire, aint nobody got time for that😂 or maybe stalker 2 anomaly made its way into 40k, daway daway 😅

@@TheBryanrice1991 healthy ogryn in my opinion has a lot of benefits toughness doesnt provide, whereas toughness itself is far easier to replenish. all in all, beefy ogryn is "stabil" 😁 those things mentioned are indeed a better gauge of the experience and performance of a player. hard mode twins is rarely carried (i wager most did it with randoms and few having access to full premades) so in this tight environmenr everyone has to deliver his part. also titles that indicate a certain volume of matches under ones belt are far more reliable, i mean touching a hot oven eventually has to enforce something in behavior for the better, no? 😅 lastly, while i get the point of inferior loadout, personally i'm at the point of expection the "usual suspects" to fail or perform poorly. got my doubts they'd do much better with any perk or blessings for most of the time the fundamentals just aint there. but of course its a valid metric and recipe for desaster, no doubt. at a certain point ogryn mode take over however "Papa macht das schon" 😜

@@IndexGamingChannel Yeah, exactly if you have friends that are decent Hard Mode would be a bit easier, but like you said with randoms it's just harder because there's little to no coordination. I did mine with randoms took me personally 10 tries with different people it sucked, but we got it. Had an easier time with the Flawless insignia lol. Yes, somebody said that to me & it stuck with me... Toughness you can always regenerate, health you cannot. Even with like 140-180 toughness you're still good honestly. It’s not like you’re hyper fragile with that amount of toughness. Plus, I've tried 266 which is the max toughness on Ogryn with 300 hp & it never went well lol. At least in harder situations that is.

I think putting 100 penance points in the game between auric and maelstrom was a horrible decision on fatsharks part because its the sole reason why these malice players are in auric and maelstrom expecting to get carried through missions. Also once they realize how much better auric and maelstrom players are compared to the cesspool of noobs that is damnation they stay because at least they can get carried. They know that every 5 missions completed they get more penance points. These are people that constantly go down in regular damnation games who would never have any reason in maelstrom or hi shock missions nor do they have any experience with them either.

@@infrared6973 Pretty much... It's a huge problem. Nowadays, most people are going down & I have to pick them up & try & clutch hard. It's tiring, Sah. I wasn't ready for those difficulties at least till I was nearing level 100. Once I see people in the load out screen below 100 with shit weapons or blessings or even non-upgraded stuff, I leave asap. Sometimes I don't mind carrying because it gives another layer of difficulty, but enough is enough it happens too much. I feel like once people think that because they just hit level 30 or a bit over they're ready for something harder which is a mistake. It takes a lot of practice. I'd say, I'm an above average player not to toot my own horn, but even with my experience having three shit players can be hard & will result in a wipe.

agreed, highest difficulty should be its own reward clearing and personal progression the overall goal. come to think of it, penances are indeed a part of the problem. funny cause i got plenty of them unfinished (and i guess they´ll stay that way for a while) for some are bound to books/grims or other stuff i´d need to step down in setting. up until recently i was exclusively doing auric maelstrom, so map pool itself is limited by the hour / rng. lately i´m testing if HISTG is indeed the "better" experience, for one can only do so many "hounds/mutants" modifiers and still feel "meh" in the end compared to a fun I II V E G or C I VI. if i had to make a wager i´d say havoc at first will have many of those passengers you point out but hopefully in the long run will provide a platform from which one can pick the most demanding settings. but yeah, we need a mode without any incentive for people hopping on hoping for an easy carry, for players that don´t need any mats or other stuff anymore anyways.

@@tinybike on it pal👍for emprah an rashuns💪🏻

24:03 "ich muss weg" 😂