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Thats why people dont need to shoot crazy weight speed means more especially for reaction time of animals. And what means even more than that is having your bow tuned and having that arrow coming out perfectly straight,otherwise the penetration suffers dramatically when arrow hits on an angle. Personally i shoot 425 grains and blow thru everything everytime, even shot under 400 grains with same results.

Thanks for the informative video. Do a video using the Black Eagle instinct micro diameter shaft. Same total arrow weights and use both field tips and broadheads. Basically the exact same test but with micro diameter shaft. I believe you will get better penetration with both field points and the broadhead. Greetings from South Africa.

Honestly I’d like to see the test again with bare shaft.

I really think people think 100-250 grains is some kind of massive change in weight. Go hold a 100 grain bullet and a 200grain bullet in your hand; it really is not much weight. It is not all that different especially at arrow speeds. That’s why you see a difference but not some earth shattering difference.

Hey thanks for that it was fun to watch

A light arrow that hits will always out penetrate the heavy arrow that misses🤣

Try micro dia. Arrows!

Interesting, thanks for posting. We can't argue with physics, the field point penetrations not showing much of a difference may indicate, while we debate the perfect weight, we should be more focused on what's on the end of our arrow and how sharp it is. When the initial hole is opened wider by a broadhead, everything behind the broadhead has less resistance. The sharper the broadhead the more the penetration, given everything else is equal ..... not sure how you could test this, but it would be cool to see, field point vs dull chattered edge broadhead vs relatively "sharp" broadhead vs paper cutting sharp broadhead.

Woulda been interesting to see the 900 grain with a broadhead

the medium defines the test your shooting things ment to stop arrows heavy 100% does better on bone and flesh

Don’t know if we learned much but was a cool video.

I'd like to see this done with no vanes on the arrows and field points. You'd have to be bareshaft tuned perfectly but I think the difference in penetration due to arrow weight would show up more.

really enjoyed that. thanks.

I agree to “maybe milk jugs aren’t the best test medium”… unless, of course, you’re hunting milk jugs, then I would use the lighter arrow. 😂

Matt, by looking at your form and your release I think you might be a better shot than you are letting on.. Anyhow, I struggle with these same things for different reasons. #1 - My draw is 31-3/8" #2 - I am using 250 grains broadhead and insert #3 - My PSE has almost ZERO ability to move the cam , it came on the side where I needs to go.. LOL (its only a few years old too) Anyhow if you haven't noticed arrow companies have JUST started building stiffer arrows as a whole, I am using 250 Spine RIP/TKO's I will be getting 200's shortly to see if I can get my rest back to 13/16" Thanks for your video !!

Idk about the weight of the arrow not mattering for penetration. I did a test at point blank with an arrow basically half a pound and it zipped through all 16 jugs and hit the target another 5 yards or so away. That’s more than twice what the 900 and 550 were getting. I think the weight doesn’t matter as much until there’s a significant increase. Also according to your test I don’t think the range has much effect unless there’s significant arc.

I love when he said not what I was expecting the face the moment the Fairy dust wore off XD

900 grain with a broadhead!?! Where was that? Man talk about missed opportunities!! 😆. JK of course. Another great vid. Penetration tests are always misleading, I think, because the test medium is either inconsistent OR doesn’t really represent penetration through an animal. So we send an arrow through x” of cardboard or gel (or milk jugs) in search of consistency… To determine something about an animal which is the most inconsistent medium there is… Lord knows I don’t know the answer and I certainly think it’s worth exploring. Just have to try to not overthink the results.

I’m rather surprised that the heavier field points didn’t penetrate a little further than that. I think the added friction on the shaft and interference of the fletching is the issue with the smaller entrance hole.

Maybe a car tire would be cool, and obviously one that's not on the rim. You can shoot the side walls or the tread part of the tire. Idk if that would be a good test or not 🤷

I have excellent results with a lighter arrow which is around 407 grains. I prefer smaller sized broadheads and get basically the same pass thru results with a 2 or 3 or 4 blade head. But, this is 30+- yard hits on whitetail. Like you I expected different results in your test. I have a feeling if you used 3 or 4 blade heads creating more cuts for the vanes to have less drag the results would be very different? 👍👍

That was surprising Matt and your arrow flight looked really good for the arrows your using

Less go!

What should we shoot these things at next?

The most important thing I’ve seen so far is swapping limbs around to make sure they square up as best as they can with the bushings and use the yoke to tune out any lean. There are 2 timing holes on the cam you can advance or retard the cam timing with a few twists of the cable. Low profile vanes can help as there’s not as much sight window contact and making sure the cock vane is square 90 degrees to the riser. Any offset there can cause the vanes to hit the rest or riser. The biggest thing is form and release. A lot of kids like to drive the arrows by pushing the riser left/right on release which definitely does not work out in their favor. Nocking point height should be around 3/8” above center. It’s been a learning process for me coming from compound to my daughter shooting NASP in 4th grade. We’re in our second season and she’s gone from low 200’s at the beginning of last season to shooting 270 this season. Stance, Form, Anchor with 3 contact points, No torque grip, and Steady front arm on release until the arrow hits the target. As for the arrows, they’re way overspined and heavy for the poundage these bows shoot at, so you’ll likely never get a clean paper tune even with a great release. It’s like throwing a telephone pole with a rubber band. Good luck to her this season!

Sight with retina lock helps a lot , about the tork.

Also what app are we talking about here?

This will be interesting. The results will push you in other directions. Your target will need to be new and the same medium. People will question that if they are not.

I'm a NASP coach and have several ki d s consistently shoot in the 280's and 2 of them 290s. Most of that crazy arrow flight is due to a bad release. Also the required NASP Easton N nocks fit the serving too tight which can cause arrows to fly erratic since poundage is so low. Paper tuning with fingers is all but impossible. Or it was for me. Focus on form and release first. Hoped that helped.

Mat, thank you for this video. Just bought the Fusion and would have never figured it out on my own. Love the Fusion but would caution everyone to check your set screws occasionally. My release cam set screw came loose (I hadn't checked it previously), and I lost my click. The first shot was a bit of a surprise.

will it work with crossbow bolts cuz there shorter

This is great. I will be trying this next week before i fletch my new batch of arrows. Great info and testing. you earned my sub.👍

I think you got the chronograph too close to your target

I'm told that NASP forbids using a brass nocking point and carbon arrows are "too dangerous" for kids. I think that it is simply a case of forcing everyone involved in the program to use the same exact equipment no matter what. Easton must be making a ton of money from those 1820 spine arrows, they sell them at Walmart! I see tons of Genesis bows on Goodwills online site, there are tons of them out there. I've gotten a number of them there for less than $50.00 The kids don't need much of a bow to shoot arrows at 15 yards or less.

Just for fun, I set one up with an old school Chck-it target sight, and a Hamskea drop down arrow rest, I can get bullet holes thru paper. With a release I can get them in the gold on a regular target at 20-yards. I use GT 700 spine arrows with 100 or 130-grain points. Tonight, I was shooting some arrows that I made up with only two vanes at the 12 & 6 positions, they worked well and I avoided any clearance issues with the riser. I shot a 271 out of 300 with it on an indoor target. The Easton 1820 arrows are too heavy, switch to the 700 carbons and you will gain 12 inches higher as your point of impact at 20-yards. I never understood why someone thought that giving children aluminum arrows was a bright idea. I was getting decent groups with this setup at 40+ yards indoors with lit nocks it was fun to watch the arrows fly. The bow is a poor design not meant for tuning, and that isn't a bad thing when every kid is forced to shoot the same model. With carbon arrows I think I got 172 FPS vs. 144 for the 1820's. My biggest issue with the Genesis was that I couldn't get ANY arrow rest to move further to the right, I finally added some spacers and moved it further to the rear. I haven't tried the two vane arrows shooting fingers yet, but with a release they would group nice.

I’m guess the fletched shafts were paper tuned along with bareshaft arrow?

That app is incredible! Looking forward to that next video!

Dude. Serious win for the app!

Very interested in what you come up with for the penetration test! I have been blown away by all the ways people have used the app that I never considered! Love the videos Matt keep them coming. RUclips needs more from the archery community.

👍👍I think we will be surprised on the results.

eastonarchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/TuningGuideEaston.pdf nasptournaments.org/rules/

Don’t know how I missed this video, but it’s good to see you making some goals and plans. If you ever have any questions about fitness or nutrition let me know. I’d be happy to help you develop a plan. Fitness and nutrition became a passion of mine about 6 years ago. If you’re ever interested, I’d like to connect with you one of these days.

Way to go Matt, first blood-haha. According to all the experts that slow old bow and 550 grains wont work these days- lol. Congrats. Also, the arrow bender tool has worked pretty much flawlessly on my arrows.. thanks for that video.

What kind of bow u got

Great shot Mat and your daughter got the fever is awesome!

If you got Instagram I'd love to talk dude. I may have some ideas why you hit high

LIKE ,, Go Daughter Go !!!

Congrats man!

Awesome video Matt and great story 👏👍

Good stuff Matt, Congrats on the deer harvest and getting to share that experience with your daughter.