Those 1.9 CDTi engines are bulletproof they are really good engines we have a Vectra SRi with a 1.9 150 and the torque is incredible as the turbo whooshes into life
Bob Pegram look after any engine bro regardless of who made it lmao all cones down to maintaining it . my 150 been running 200 bhp for years now its on 145000 thou n still pulls strong lad and bye bye vxr when you stop for fuel lol
Not bullet proof. Had one myself and the water pump failed and threw cam belt off at 22k and 2 years old! Fixed under warranty and sold soon after. Was reading Honest John website and lots of comments about it being a Alfa/Fiat block and several other reports of the same issue happening on other peoples cars too. Good car though and nice to drive.
1ns4ne1d10t how on earth would a new intercooler change the torque curve, it cools air making combustion more efficient, HOW WOULD THAT RUIN LOW DOWN GRUNT, FUCK SAKE MAN WHAT IS WITH EVERYONE ON HERE
Oh yeah ignore the fact that a lower litre, 40bhp LESS "stinky diesel" beats the VXR off the line and then keeps up with it.... but no obviously the diesel is crap.
Cdti 190bhp and only x amount are gonna be made. Do the job yourself. Buy a Cdti 150. Blank the egr, mod the airbox and fit better filter, remove precat, remove dpf then get it mapped 220bhp right there. Brakes fit EBC USR and Yellowstuff. simples.
@@dieselfanboy4361 i was running 208hp stock everything, 2010, so got the uprated ECU. Stock turbo absolutely fine for over 2 years, then I switched to a GT1856.
Yeah but if your going to spend all that money tuning the life out of a diesel astra to get 270 bhp it's Obv going to win?! Why not just use the money and buy the vxr, a mans car. Keep your smokey oil burning tractor
The performance of these cars is obviously broadly similar, sadly the 1.9cdti may lose a bit of time due to pitstop to have EGR valve, swirl flaps, dual mass flywheel and chocolate gearbox replaced. Sadly I drive a 1.9cdti Vectra, it is a great economical cruiser, however I baby it around because I don't want to break it! Sitting on 19" rims it is a bit of a sheep in Wolfs clothing....
True, But if you took a look at the diesel tuning community some people have got 270bhp and 500lbft+ torque out of the 1.9CDTI engine ;) the 888 is not a truly tuned car, its just been fiddled with.
I've just check your fuel prices DAM** what the hel* your politicians do?! How come diesels there are more cheap than gasoline?Auto resellers here won't even take gasoline car in cuz they'd be hard to sell.I guess were not there yet. I'm bit off topic:)If I lived there Id buy latest model VXR (or 888 VXR:) in Germany/Austria for same price as 888 diesel in England.I'm always looking away from diesel simple because I'm tired of diesel cars on road and always switching my AC for interior air only
Diesel in the UK is more expensive that petrol.. LPG is creeping up as well. I used to own a Daewoo Nexia ( lol ) It ran on gas.. it was 35p a litre.. now its a fortune.. The debate we have here is the 888 v VXR - The cars are similarly matched in the review. The 1.9cdti can be made to perform like the 88 for very little money... Its cheaper, more economical, has more torque and is a lower insurance band- cheaper, and lower tax band- cheaper.. So the as per my earlier thoughts.. CDTI wins.
Than that's it:)If someone is buying car for fun,racing and performance the VXR is a possible solution. If buying for transportation and low price per mileage, don't buy CDT. You'd be better of with smaller diesel turbo engine And btw, diesel cars are usually more expensive because lots of people want it for its high mileage and lower fuel prices.So it's better getting gasoline and convert it on LPG before rest of the world does it too. LPG fuel price will be winner in owners wallet in long term
You only need the serious torque if your car is heavy. more weight, the more torque you need. f1 cars weigh a few hundred kgs.. hence not much torque considering their performance.
And for those diesel torque worshipers! Formula One engine does not have much higher torque than a conventional petrol engine. The 2006 2.4 litre Toyota RVX-06 V8 engine produces 552 kW (740 bhp, 751 PS) at 19,000 rpm and outputs 274 N·m (202 ft·lbf) of torque.
U sure? What if petrol engine is tune up? It can drive on gasoline and LPG to save on price... let's expand a bit more... with gasoline engine u can drive on gasoline (regular, premium), iso-octane, methanol, ethanol, E85, propane, hydrogen, methane, kerosene, benzene, toluene, LPG.... And diesel? With biodiesel and fries oil only (which can damage engine)? Diesel prices should be higher and calculated per distance/average fuel economy to match gasoline engines.
I Had a 1.9 Sri boxed to 198bhp ... i now own a VXR sure the 888 can keep up with a STOCK VXR, you take the VXR to Stage one the 888 has no hope in hell of keeping up.
Oh, and be prepared for torque steer! You have to be awake haha! It's all part of the fun though! I wouldn't change it for the world. Focus's drive so much better and handle better but they have weak diesel engines and don't look half as good. I'm selling my Astra for an A3 at the end of the year. I just hope the A3 isn't gonna seem boring! Gonna go for the 2.0L 170BHP diesel quattro. :)
Yep! The steering kicks out of my hands a lot! Its awful. Its the worst thing about the car. A Ford Focus feels so much better. The brakes were so much better on my 1.6 SXi compared to my SRi, but the SRi is heavier. The torque band increases loads after the remap too, so I wouldn't worry about that. I aren't talking about wheel spin from stranding, it's while driving! If I plant it out of a roundabout in 2nd or 3rd it lights up the tyres. So you have to progressively put the power back down.
The EDS maps are good. I have a custom map from a local tuning place. It should have a bigger intercooler + a sport exhaust, but at the moment its not something I'm after. It needs suspension + brake upgrades before I ever think of making it quicker. The brakes are horrible and it struggles to put power down at times, especially roundabouts. It will wheel spin out of them, so you have to be careful. With stiffer suspension and a rear anti-roll bar fitted, it should handle the power a lot better.
Nothing, completely standard! You can get similar power from a DTUK box too. It tends to smoke a bit under heavy load and the power does drop slightly when its being hammered (because it needs a bigger intercooler). But its loads of fun! Both issues have never bothered me.
@Gregisonutube Hmmm... I was replying to somebody else who was speaking about how great the diesel car is and how easy you could destroy a petrol car with a diesel engine, by modyfing it. Sorry, wrong person!
@Lolf88 Half of the ST170's made by Ford never produced the real 170 horsepower. Ford threw in a VVT inlet cam and had the cylinders modified by cosworth on the old 128bhp 2.0 litre Zetec/Duratec engine. Ford being Ford never road tested it or dyno tested the car they just 'threw it in' at a wild guess and mapped the engine management to put out 170. Only the outcome of it wasn't quite what they'd hoped for...
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Nice cars the Astras are I can't even afford a mars bar 👍🏻🇮🇪
I've a Stage 2 Astra VXR running 285bhp and 440Nm torque
The 888 Astra cost £120 LESS than a standard 1.9 SRi.
Shame thats not the case now 👎🤢
The VXR has 237BHP, not 240. Might seem inconsequential but a motoring journalist should know the exact figures.
The drag race in Ali G was faster than this
Yeah, the petrol car wins with an empty tank. The 1.9 will still be on the full marker.
4:51 She's talking about your cock.
Gearboxes are torque multipliers. Who races in 4th at 50?🙄 put the vxr in 3rd, bye 888.
If they had man in opc would been different!!!
James Cox sexist pig
James Cox lol
Vxr you twat
Opc
The CDti is a fiat engine. That is why is it good.
that would be a reason why is bad...
Jet S fiat good? Yeah right
Those 1.9 CDTi engines are bulletproof they are really good engines we have a Vectra SRi with a 1.9 150 and the torque is incredible as the turbo whooshes into life
Bob Pegram look after any engine bro regardless of who made it lmao all cones down to maintaining it . my 150 been running 200 bhp for years now its on 145000 thou n still pulls strong lad and bye bye vxr when you stop for fuel lol
Bob Pegram i love it mate fiat smiat lol
Not bullet proof. Had one myself and the water pump failed and threw cam belt off at 22k and 2 years old! Fixed under warranty and sold soon after. Was reading Honest John website and lots of comments about it being a Alfa/Fiat block and several other reports of the same issue happening on other peoples cars too. Good car though and nice to drive.
This woman pisses me off
1ns4ne1d10t how on earth would a new intercooler change the torque curve, it cools air making combustion more efficient, HOW WOULD THAT RUIN LOW DOWN GRUNT, FUCK SAKE MAN WHAT IS WITH EVERYONE ON HERE
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handling lets them down for me after a test drive i wanted it badly but cant live with handling and theres no way of modding that chassis ;(
Is that a standard Astra VXR ? Sure doesn't sound like one and the Exhaust tip is different, I could be wrong though.
I would also hardly call £1000 of bits for the CDTI "All that money" - still much cheaper than a VXR.
Don't get a vauxhall then haha. The VXR has the same m32 gearbox in it as the CDTI and has the same issues.
Yeah because obviously just buying a car thats fast already vs actually putting some WORK into it is the more manly way of doing it.
Oh yeah ignore the fact that a lower litre, 40bhp LESS "stinky diesel" beats the VXR off the line and then keeps up with it.... but no obviously the diesel is crap.
Cdti 190bhp and only x amount are gonna be made. Do the job yourself. Buy a Cdti 150. Blank the egr, mod the airbox and fit better filter, remove precat, remove dpf then get it mapped 220bhp right there. Brakes fit EBC USR and Yellowstuff. simples.
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Bullshit the maximum with a stock parts is 190 bhp, if you want more u need bigger turbo and etc... thr stock garret can't handle more than 190
@@dieselfanboy4361 i was running 208hp stock everything, 2010, so got the uprated ECU. Stock turbo absolutely fine for over 2 years, then I switched to a GT1856.
@cbecks2051 bet it wouldn't tho a lot of your power is wasted spinning up the front wheels the pulsar is 4 wheel drive
true but I have owned both a vxr and cdti.. and the cdti was a problematic car gearbox, flywheel, egr the list goes on... the vxr just keeps going.
and my astra mk4 fitted with gt30rs would slaughter urs.
But it lost?
Yeah but if your going to spend all that money tuning the life out of a diesel astra to get 270 bhp it's Obv going to win?! Why not just use the money and buy the vxr, a mans car. Keep your smokey oil burning tractor
The performance of these cars is obviously broadly similar, sadly the 1.9cdti may lose a bit of time due to pitstop to have EGR valve, swirl flaps, dual mass flywheel and chocolate gearbox replaced. Sadly I drive a 1.9cdti Vectra, it is a great economical cruiser, however I baby it around because I don't want to break it! Sitting on 19" rims it is a bit of a sheep in Wolfs clothing....
Meh a 25 year old pulsar gtir with a gt28rs would kill both of those cars
tiptop0 yea and the vxr would kill a pulsar with a gt28 you have no valid point 😅
True, But if you took a look at the diesel tuning community some people have got 270bhp and 500lbft+ torque out of the 1.9CDTI engine ;) the 888 is not a truly tuned car, its just been fiddled with.
F430 is not faster than the 2006 Gallardo.
I've just check your fuel prices DAM** what the hel* your politicians do?! How come diesels there are more cheap than gasoline?Auto resellers here won't even take gasoline car in cuz they'd be hard to sell.I guess were not there yet. I'm bit off topic:)If I lived there Id buy latest model VXR (or 888 VXR:) in Germany/Austria for same price as 888 diesel in England.I'm always looking away from diesel simple because I'm tired of diesel cars on road and always switching my AC for interior air only
Diesel in the UK is more expensive that petrol.. LPG is creeping up as well. I used to own a Daewoo Nexia ( lol ) It ran on gas.. it was 35p a litre.. now its a fortune.. The debate we have here is the 888 v VXR - The cars are similarly matched in the review. The 1.9cdti can be made to perform like the 88 for very little money... Its cheaper, more economical, has more torque and is a lower insurance band- cheaper, and lower tax band- cheaper.. So the as per my earlier thoughts.. CDTI wins.
Than that's it:)If someone is buying car for fun,racing and performance the VXR is a possible solution. If buying for transportation and low price per mileage, don't buy CDT. You'd be better of with smaller diesel turbo engine And btw, diesel cars are usually more expensive because lots of people want it for its high mileage and lower fuel prices.So it's better getting gasoline and convert it on LPG before rest of the world does it too. LPG fuel price will be winner in owners wallet in long term
You only need the serious torque if your car is heavy. more weight, the more torque you need. f1 cars weigh a few hundred kgs.. hence not much torque considering their performance.
VXR Astra 7-12k CDT can be bought for £5-7k
G Gibson about 1000 now lol
And for those diesel torque worshipers! Formula One engine does not have much higher torque than a conventional petrol engine. The 2006 2.4 litre Toyota RVX-06 V8 engine produces 552 kW (740 bhp, 751 PS) at 19,000 rpm and outputs 274 N·m (202 ft·lbf) of torque.
U sure? What if petrol engine is tune up? It can drive on gasoline and LPG to save on price... let's expand a bit more... with gasoline engine u can drive on gasoline (regular, premium), iso-octane, methanol, ethanol, E85, propane, hydrogen, methane, kerosene, benzene, toluene, LPG.... And diesel? With biodiesel and fries oil only (which can damage engine)? Diesel prices should be higher and calculated per distance/average fuel economy to match gasoline engines.
2012, UK , fuel prices.... The real winner is the 888/ CDTI owners wallet.
2021, still the same way 🤣🤣
Haha too true :-)
I Had a 1.9 Sri boxed to 198bhp ... i now own a VXR sure the 888 can keep up with a STOCK VXR, you take the VXR to Stage one the 888 has no hope in hell of keeping up.
Oh, and be prepared for torque steer! You have to be awake haha! It's all part of the fun though! I wouldn't change it for the world. Focus's drive so much better and handle better but they have weak diesel engines and don't look half as good. I'm selling my Astra for an A3 at the end of the year. I just hope the A3 isn't gonna seem boring! Gonna go for the 2.0L 170BHP diesel quattro. :)
Yep! The steering kicks out of my hands a lot! Its awful. Its the worst thing about the car. A Ford Focus feels so much better. The brakes were so much better on my 1.6 SXi compared to my SRi, but the SRi is heavier. The torque band increases loads after the remap too, so I wouldn't worry about that. I aren't talking about wheel spin from stranding, it's while driving! If I plant it out of a roundabout in 2nd or 3rd it lights up the tyres. So you have to progressively put the power back down.
The EDS maps are good. I have a custom map from a local tuning place. It should have a bigger intercooler + a sport exhaust, but at the moment its not something I'm after. It needs suspension + brake upgrades before I ever think of making it quicker. The brakes are horrible and it struggles to put power down at times, especially roundabouts. It will wheel spin out of them, so you have to be careful. With stiffer suspension and a rear anti-roll bar fitted, it should handle the power a lot better.
Nothing, completely standard! You can get similar power from a DTUK box too. It tends to smoke a bit under heavy load and the power does drop slightly when its being hammered (because it needs a bigger intercooler). But its loads of fun! Both issues have never bothered me.
I have a remapped 1.9 150 SRi. It puts out 207bhp and 440nm of torque. Safe to say, its fucking quick!
Cal M you still have it?
Cal M I heard the gear boxes can’t handle the power
Stage 1 map
i love diesels and vauxhalls. i wish i could get this tripple eight
@Gregisonutube Hmmm... I was replying to somebody else who was speaking about how great the diesel car is and how easy you could destroy a petrol car with a diesel engine, by modyfing it. Sorry, wrong person!
@Lolf88 Half of the ST170's made by Ford never produced the real 170 horsepower. Ford threw in a VVT inlet cam and had the cylinders modified by cosworth on the old 128bhp 2.0 litre Zetec/Duratec engine. Ford being Ford never road tested it or dyno tested the car they just 'threw it in' at a wild guess and mapped the engine management to put out 170. Only the outcome of it wasn't quite what they'd hoped for...