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My wife and I are building a Rans S-21 Outbound. I'm going to try and document that process.
No. 402 11-23-2024 Engine cowl part-6
Work continues on the engine cowl. More sanding and fitting.
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No. 401 11-17-2024 Engine cowl part-5 (and a little fuel hose)
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Figured out a good way to route the fuel hose from the flow divider to the fuel servo. And work continues on the engine cowl.
No. 400 11-10-2024 Engine cowl part-4
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Wow, video number 400!!! When we started this project, I had no idea it would go this far (and long!!). More fit up of the engine cowl. It's a slow process. You just have to take your time and trim little by little. There was some sanding needed on the lower cowl to help with fit, but once it got close, it started to fit right.
No. 399 11-09-2024 Engine cowl part-3
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More trim and fit...repeat...repeat...repeat...
No. 398 11-03-2024 Engine cowling part-2 and....sideburns
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Continuing fit up of the engine cowl. Lots of trimming and test fitting. Also I...err, I mean Tina did some work on the station-3 closeouts.
No. 397 11-02-2024 Engine cowl part-1
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Got started on the engine cowl. Lots of trimming and test fitting!! Here are links to Derek's cowling videos. Great info here!! Part-1 ruclips.net/video/cBFsODDQATw/видео.html Part-2 ruclips.net/video/zcOBdoN3bV4/видео.htmlsi=lNkgoYTmQPkDx0Uc Part-3 ruclips.net/video/hUBhM_SVRnk/видео.htmlsi=PZG0whbJhvgsGiVQ
No. 396 10-27-2024 Prop spinner part-2
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Nut plates riveted in the spinner back plate and prepping the cowling for fit up.
No. 395 10-26-2024 Prop spinner
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More progress made on the spinner. Discovered that since we're building a trike, we have a different size prop hub for our 72" prop, actually bigger than the hub for the 80" prop.
No. 394 10-20-2024 Antenna cable install and engine cowl part-1
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Got the antenna cable installed for the handheld radio. Also got started on the engine cowl fit up.
No. 393 10-19-2024 Airbox part-3 and alternate air install, and second com antenna install.
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Got things figured out with the alternate air valve for the airbox. Also fabricated a mount plate and installed the second com antenna.
No. 392 10-14-2024 Airbox part-2, cabin heat, and wing cuffs
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More finish work on the wing cuffs. Was going to work on the airbox, but decided we better figure out how the heater air hoses will route before committing on the alternate air cable location.
No. 391 10-13-2024 Fuel servo airbox part-1
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Got started installing the airbox. Derek’s channel: youtube.com/@simdpk
No. 390 10-12-2024 Header tank cap issue, and Windshield/skylight part-15...Finally done!!
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Finished up the windshield installation with a fillet of 2216 adhesive around the hold down strip. Addressed an Assembly Alert for the header tank fuel cap.
No. 389 09-29-2024 Windshield/skylight install part-14
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Masked off the windshield hold down strip to put a fillet of 2216 in and fill the low spots. Got the wing cuff area prepped for install and started working on the bottom wing gap seals.
No. 388 09-24-2024 Windshield/skylight part-13...almost done
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Finished riveting the windshield and skylight trim strips then final installed the windshield. The 2216 adhesive was hard to work with because it runs on vertical surfaces so takes two people to manage. But we got it done and just have a few follow up items.
No. 387 09-23-2024 Windshield/skylight part-12
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No. 387 09-23-2024 Windshield/skylight part-12
No. 386 09-22-2024 Boot cowl finish and skylight work part-11
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No. 386 09-22-2024 Boot cowl finish and skylight work part-11
No.385 09-21-2024 Windshield/skylight part-10 and upper boot cowl riveting prep
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No.385 09-21-2024 Windshield/skylight part-10 and upper boot cowl riveting prep
No. 384 09-15-2024 Tail cone closeout
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No. 384 09-15-2024 Tail cone closeout
No. 383 09-14-2024 Rear windows and tail cone closeout
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No. 383 09-14-2024 Rear windows and tail cone closeout
No. 382 09-08-2024 Windshield/skylight part-9
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No. 382 09-08-2024 Windshield/skylight part-9
No. 381 09-07-2024 Windshield/skylight part-8
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No. 381 09-07-2024 Windshield/skylight part-8
No. 380 09-02-2024 Windshield/skylight part-7 (drilling the plexi and acrylic)
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No. 380 09-02-2024 Windshield/skylight part-7 (drilling the plexi and acrylic)
No. 379 08-28 and 09-01-2024 Windshield/skylight part-6
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No. 379 08-28 and 09-01-2024 Windshield/skylight part-6
No. 378 08-25-2024 Windshield/skylight part-5
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No. 378 08-25-2024 Windshield/skylight part-5
No. 377 08-24-2024 Windshield/Skylight part-4
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No. 377 08-24-2024 Windshield/Skylight part-4
No. 376 Aug 18-19, 2024 Windshield part-3, and placards
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No. 376 Aug 18-19, 2024 Windshield part-3, and placards
No. 375 08-11-2024 Windshield/skylight part-2 (ribs)
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No. 375 08-11-2024 Windshield/skylight part-2 (ribs)
No. 374 08-10-2024 Door striker plates and windshield begins
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No. 374 08-10-2024 Door striker plates and windshield begins
No. 373 07-30, 31, and 08-03-2024 Door latches parts 1,2, and 3
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No. 373 07-30, 31, and 08-03-2024 Door latches parts 1,2, and 3
I started my doors today and something doesn’t seem right. My aft trim strips appear to be white as are yours, but the lower and forward pieces are clear plastic with white film on the outside with writing on it. I peeled off the film and the pieces are clear. That didn’t concern me too much as I will probably paint them anyway, but my forward trim piece isn’t even close to being the right angle for the door. I aligned the top leg and found the angle at the knee to be way off. The bottom end of the forward trim strip is more than 3/4” off of alignment. Yours appears to align fine in your video. I can force the bottom into position, but it makes the trim strip wavy and slight buckled at the knee. Did you have any such issue? It didn’t appear so from your video.
Yeah, we had the same thing. Ours looked off but it needs to be that way so that when the lexan window is in place, it matches up with the angle that it’s at due to the center bow.
@ I was guessing that and asked RANS if that was the case in my email to them. A note in the manual would have been helpful. It appears my kit was in the changeover from white to clear plastic. Your parts looked to be all white and Derek’s look to be all clear. I have a little of each with two white parts and four clear parts.
What serial no. are you? I think Derek is 100 and we’re 116.
@ 115
@LTVoyager I was wondering where our sibling airframe is! 🙂
I found when fitting my wingtips that an orbital sander worked great for the final finishing. You can use 80 grit initially and then move down as you get closer. The orbital is much less aggressive than a belt sander, but quite a bit faster than hand sanding. And as long as you keep it moving and are careful, you can sand very straight lines even though it isn’t long and flat like a belt sander or hand sanding block. And my DeWalt does a great job of sucking the dust through the holes in the pad so it makes much less dust than either a belt or hand sanding block.
I am planning to run my Rotax a few times before installing my cowl for exactly the reason you mentioned. I suspect the vibration will seat the engine mounts and likely induce some amount of sag. The Rotax vibrates less than the Titan and has different engine mounts, but I think any elastomeric mount is going to settle with vibration first and then with age.
I noticed on ours that the fwd edge of the lower aluminum boot cowl skins were not 100% straight. Keep that in mind when trying to sand (straight) the aft vertical edge of the lower cowl.
Thanks Derek!
At 2:50…I placed a fairly large dab of red RTV silicone sealant right on the corner where the hose goes around. Let it dry and it becomes a permanent cushion. Stole the idea from a brother who is AP/IA.
Ah, thanks for the tip!!
I noticed the same thing with the foam and VHB. The parts manual shows only VHB and the figures manual shows only foam tape. Well, the parts manual shows it off the side, but not in position. I suspect using both is the way to go, although, VHB alone might work. Not sure it would get pressed tightly enough against the plastic without the foam. I even checked the current manuals on the web site and they seem to still be the same as my 4 year old manual set.
Joggle juggling? I've heard of this! 400 vids? Congrats!
Wow! 400, thats a lot of data! Congrats, you are getting close to being done.
So close!
Wait till you get to the fasteners I fit everything up and let it air for a cupa weeks before the fasteners Thanks for the videos
Are the fasteners worse than the fit up?
Nothing a little bondo won’t fix at the end. 😁
Remember that the engine sags a bit, so you want the spinner higher by 1/4"-3/8" on first installation. At the open house, I saw many S-21s, mine included, with spinners lower than the top of the cowl due to this.
Our engine has been hung for about a year and a half. I know there hasn’t been any running vibration on it yet, but curious how much sag it gets just being hung on the mounts. Another builder commented to me they think there should have been a good chunk of sag done in that amount of time.
I truly enjoy your videos. Unlike most other creators you show work WITHOUT a bunch of unnecessary commentary. Your dedication to DAILY work is equally impressive.
Thank you!!
Love the build. Please consider a mask when cutting carbon. Vacuum cleaner or not....
Will do!! 😬
Yes enjoying videos. You two are awesome.
Thanks!!
Worked with a guy that came to work an hour early for years on the _Monday_ after the time change. But never mind that. the plane looks great!
Good idea not to push things too far when making critical cuts. Never hurts to sleep on it.
Almost certainly overkill on the hose clamps. In 55 years of using worm gear style hose clamps, I’ve never seen one work loose. The biggest failure mode for these style clamps is over tightening them. This distorts the screw thread slots and deforms the worm gear housing and that can lead to failure.
Now you tell me! 😆
Careful…don’t be messing with Project Manager. 😂
Just curious, why did you choose a two blade prop and not a tri blade prop?
That was the recommended combo for this engine (IO-340), so went with that.
Your videos are the bomb.
Thank you!
Did you have a way to spin the unit before final drilling to check that there wasn’t any nose wobble in the spinner?
Makes me glad my Airmaster came with a nice chrome spinner that just screwed on. 😁
Cheater. And you give me guff about getting Aerosport products! 😉
@@s-21project92 I feel the need, the need for speed …. So I wanted a constant speed prop. And with the full feathering option, I should have much better glide should things get unusually quite some flight.
@@s-21project92And the chrome spinner looks very cool.
@LTVoyager Chrome is for Harley’s 😆🤣
@@s-21project92 You better get one then as you have the Harley engine of aviation. My Rotax is much closer to a BMW engine. 😂. Though my BMW definitely has much less chrome than a Harley.
You are getting closer & closer to an engine start. Please remember to install the alternator belt before you do the final prop install. It is pain to remove the prop to replace or install the belt, been there, done that.
Yes, getting close! And, yes, will install that belt. Left sitting on top of the engine so we won’t forget 🙂
What's all the hubbub, bud? Looking good!
Thanks!
You may have posted this on another video but can’t find it. Where did you find the panel trim strip?
It came with the kit, but I’ll bet Rans sourced it from McMaster-Carr. www.mcmaster.com/product/1120A341
I would bet that Clint at Vetterman would move the fitting on the heat muffler for you at some saving$.
I thought about contacting Clint, but decided to just go with what we have. It’ll work, already have a game plan 🙂
@@s-21project92yeah, mine is looking like it will be fine. Finally got a couple hours in on my project tonight.
I had fun running the heater hoses for my Rotax heater and they are just 3/4” heater hoses for water. Looks like you are having even more fun running your SCAT tubing than I had with my heater hoses. The water hoses are much smaller, but they are also much stiffer and getting the spring clamps on them was fun to say the least.
You bought all of those Aerosport parts and you are worried about $400 for a heater muffler? 😁
Had to draw the line somewhere! 🙂
That is beautiful! You two are doing really nice work. You will be able to fly it with lots of confidence.
Thanks!
You’ll never use that handheld radio. I wouldn’t have the extra equipment flopping around.
We’re single com, so I’d rather have it and not need it instead of not have it and need it 🙂 Plus I’ll have the antenna ready for if we add another com.
@@s-21project92 talking on the radio is overrated 😎😉 NORDO rocks!
There are some (maybe earlier) heater boxes, that have offset inlet/ outlets. I felt that might make running the hose easier. Ours is like yours and I ended up trimming the inner corner of the oil cooler bracket to keep it from rubbing. I also used two sets of clamps on the intakes.
Shelly is checking to see if they can get me that offset shroud.
Use baking soda and super glue on the back side of that crack in that plastic interior panel. Look into this method, it works great.
I’ll check it out. Thanks!
Whoowhoo first again. Lol.
I found putting clecoes in the top bolt holes of the baggage close out gives you something to grip on and makes getting it in and out a ‘little’ easier too.
Oh good idea!!
I am contemplating using latex caulk initially so that I can more easily remove it for painting and then silicone afterwards for the permanent sealant.
I have been watching some of your video.... and i love what you do cause i have a designed plan i aslo want to build⭐
On the inside, couldn’t you paint the 2216 black, with a long thin brush to make it disappear? To fill the voids on the sides without the 2216 keep disappearing, squeeze some out on cardboard (like you did), wait for it to set up a bit (get thicker) and then fill the voids with a spreader. It will be more like body filler. I did this on the ends, worked great.
Tina said the same thing about painting it black. 🙂 And good idea on letting it get a little more solid before applying to that gap.
How much 2216 did the installation require Tony? BTW great job.😊
@robfox333 on the hold down strip and windshield, we used just under 2 of the tubes (1.4 oz each) and it was squishing out the top of the strip. Will probably use less than a tube on the cuffs.
I wish the windshield and skylight were held on with screws to facilitate replacement in the future, but I understand this would add some amount of weight. I also wish the wings were more easily removed and not have the windshield strips riveted to them. I am still trying to decide if there is a way I can test fly my airplane in bare aluminum and then remove the wings to bring it home for painting. It looks like the RANS design makes this impossible to do without drilling out a lot of rivets.
I noticed in some photos from Aerosport Products, Geoff used screws on his. Not sure if that’s to facilitate removal or just how he decided to do it. Yes wing removal would be a major undertaking.
@@s-21project92 I was toying with the same idea, at least for the initial flight test period and then rivet after paint. Though, it would be nice to paint with the wings on so that all rivets get painted, I don’t have that large a home made paint booth. I may have to try to contact him to see what he’s thinking and doing. Thanks for the heads up.
@@s-21project92 I have installed wing root connectors for electrical and will use Jiffy-Tite quick disconnects for the fuel and fuel vent lines. I think the main remaining hassle is the riveted fairings and trim strips and the control cables for flaps and ailerons. Probably the flaps are the most troublesome to disconnect.
Yes, that is the downside of drilling small holes and then enlarging them. Twist drills almost always catch one cutting edge before the other and that throws the drill off ever so slightly when drilling by hand. I have yet to find a good way to overcome that and that is why most holes are fairly oversized compared to the fastener. Unless you can match drill the mating parts, using “close fit” holes is very problematic.
I know this is an older video now, but do you recall if you put the engine mount spacers on both of the lower, outer engine mounts? My parts diagram for the Rotax 915 engine calls out two spacers on the parts list, but shows only one spacer on the diagram, namely on the lower, left engine mount (left if you are inside the cabin looking forward). I assume both lower mounts get the spacer, but am trying to confirm. I have an email in to RANS, but getting replies has been hit or miss in the past. It is probably a different page number on your Titan engine manual, but I am referring to the Engine Mount Spacer part number KPAC0279.
Well, RANS responded to my email in well under 24 hours so I now know straight from Tony that both spacers do go on the bottom engine mounts for the Rotax engines. Oddly, I looked in the Titan manual and it appears your spacers went on top. Interesting.
Need to use the fine line vinyl painters tape to smoothly mask curves like that.
Yep.
I wish RANS would provide a template for the windshield contact zone so we could paint things ahead of time prior to windshield fitment, but looks like I need to wait until them to mark and paint or cover the inside of the boot cowl. Seems like it would be easy to pull a template out of the CAD system for the contact zone of the windshield and strip.
I bought a template for the wing cuff area from Aerosport Products 😆
Decide to just leave the top of the boot cowl painted? I am painting most of my interior, but contemplating some cloth and maybe thin padding for the top of the boot cowl for noise reduction.
Taking that blue tape off was a great feeling. Like it’s actually coming to an end 😎
Except we didn’t get that far 🙂 Should be coming off today.
Thanks Tony. Mine was restricting the elevator too and I did not notice it as I did the elevator rigging with the cone off. So good find. Thank you.
Get the MSD crimper (MSD 35051) and shorten the (too long) plug wires. Super satisfying, lol. Great stuff T’n T, getting close 🤞
That’s a spendy little tool!
I hadn’t thought about it yet, but I suspect you are correct that the tail cone plastic should fit between the bulkhead and the skin on the side and bottom. That seems logical looking at it and base on your comments about the hole location.
@@s-21project92That’s cheap. Look at the DMC tool for milspec round connector contacts, RS-232 contacts, etc. I ended up buying the cheap tool from SteinAir, but that tool was a little too cheap for me so I bought the JRready tool that is a clone of the DMC. Reviews I read said it performed almost as well as the DMC, but is less than half the cost. I am sure it isn’t nearly as durable as the DMC, but I am only building one airplane, not doing production work.
@LTVoyager The bottom corners of the plastic closeout would probably fit just fine in the gap. The Aerosport closeout is a bit thick in the corners and would definitely need to be sanded down. Easy to do but didn’t occur to me until after I had drilled. But we made it work.
Is your concern strength of the rivets with the holes that close to the edge? Or is it a clearance issue of some sort? You have nothing to worry in regard to strength. That edge distance is more than adequate for a nonstructural fairing. No worries in that regard. The normal edge distance requirement is for structural reasons.
Did you countersink the carbon fiber rib for the nut plate rivets?
No, the rivets are 40APR1/8. Not countersunk. We did do a tiny divot in the end rib to accommodate the head of the rivets.
@@s-21project92 I agree they are not countersink rivets. My issue is their heads create a small space between the two ribs. I would rather they are tight to each other. I am probably overthinking it. Thanks for responding. Your videos ave been very helpful.
I don’t remember, did I show making the little divots in the end rib to compensate for that? Just took a drill and removed a tiny bit so the wingtip would sit flush.
Oohhh, big step right there. Looks great. I’ve seen 3 and 4 rivets on other builds on the bottom of that strip. I used 3 (w/ Eddies blessing), mostly to keep the 3/8” line consistent. I also trimmed the entire strip to 2 1/2” to make more work for myself, lol.
enjoy watching videos and Derek and Clear Direct and Tree Top Flight and Out Bound 300 (haven't seen much from he lately) you are doing a good job. always look forward to your video. one day ill be there to and going back and watching all of the videos for help.
Are you building? Keep at it. You’ll get there!
@@s-21project92I haven’t started On my s-21 yet first I have to build my house and shop but all of you guys keep my dream alive thanks for that
Glad we’re here to inspire you! …and learn from our mistakes 🙂