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Don’t know why but bit surprised he has his keyboards in QWERTY layout.

If you have hand, wrist or shoulder RSI I honestly recommend moving to dictation software to vastly reduce keyboard use. This isn’t so helpful for software coding unfortunately.

It took me like 4 months of consistent use to get to 50 wpm, while I was at 90 before. Finally after almost a year, I'm really getting up to speed :)

How long would you suggest it might take someone to adapt to the Defy or something like the Voyager... as a touch typist at 80 WPM? I love the idea of the Defy and LOVE Dygma as a company. However, I'm more considering the Voyager due to the footprint. I think I would love a version of the Defy built with low profile switches like the Voyager and without palm rests.

Dude, I like you.

Next time write a script .. this was awful talking all over the place I didn’t went after 2:12

"...and getting more subscribers helps me feel better about myself." LOL 😂

Dumb question, can you put full size switches since they are hot swappable?

Stoked for your inevitable Svalboard build & review

Went from the moonlander to the voyager. And honestly I want something with more keys. I don't want to reconfigure everything for everything and every layout I had now with the voyager just has some problems in one application or another. The moonlander was ok but the thumb cluster was so out of the way, that the big red button just didn't work for me. This one seems to be a good "compromise". The thumb cluster seems to be in the perfect spot. At least from just dry typing. Also for games I prefer more keys. That being said, I really don't want to buy another keyboard right now.

I saw your video on Glove80, in which you showed a Kinesys 360 Pro, which I found interesting, so I googled it and saw a video of someone reviewing it. I clicked on it, and here I am, at your channel, again! Hahaha.

I would really not say that custom split keyboards are expensive, really depends on your wants. Build my keyboard for less than 100 dollars.

Instead of this RGB shit, no one blind-typing person really need, I'd prefer true wireless, especially for portable keyboards. I know that is possible, BT chip is tiny. 2024, still wires mudd

How do you clean this?

On Glove80 I find the thumb cluster awkward. On the other extreme, I hate boards that make me bring my thumb in beyond the index column. I have now ordered an Imprint (customized Dactyl-style). We'll see how that goes.

I have the original kenesis advantage, moonlander, and a 36 keyboard. Sounds like your RSI symptoms were similar. When I try anything besides the advantage my RSI flares up, also Im just not as productive for some reason. I want a split keyboard for traveling. The glove80 sounds promissing but curious how close it "feels" to the advantage. Not sure how to describe it but the moonlander just doesnt feel right to me and could never get the hang of it.

Glow 80 look hard to blind typing, all keys are same and same size, it look like 360 is better if you try to learn blind typing on them.

Charybdis has a key well

It is true, although in my opinion you could say that there are several levels of DIY and depending on that, I can be expensive or not. In my case I put together one just to my liking from scratch and I think I spent no more than 70 dollars, of course hand wired.

0:33 hahaha so random why am i laughing so hard

Thumbs up for neurological disorders

no layers on linux sadge

Truly your keyboard reviews are second to none. You are a master of your craft,

I was looking into getting a nicer mechanical keyboard and now am falling down this rabbit hole of split ergo keyboards. and while the prices aren't cheap per se, considering the added complexity these aren't particularly expensive either when contrasted with a lot of other stuff in the keyboard world. the only way to get cheap is to have mass manufactured stuff that cuts corners. anything that is done in small runs is gonna be expensive and especially so if someone needs to solder and assemble it by hand.

It is distracting to see that glaring grammatical error in your channel name… “If Coding WAS Natural” NOT “if Coding Were Natural.”

4:32 thanks for that. I'm on day 2 with the glove 80, after 30years on a trad. one, incl pretty effective automation. feeling like the last idiot with it, its really really tough. typing not so much but programming, with all the symbols, is killing me.

Did you check your neck for hernieded discs in your spine? I had a hernieded disc btwn. C5/c6, which caused simiar pain in my left hand. Eventually they removed the disc and replaced lt woth ceramic anf 4 screws. That's 10y ago, never had any issues again

I have an Apple keyboard for my iPad and it was a bit expensive. Just ordered a Voyager and I can’t wait to get my hands on it. I also looked at keyboard kits but the cost was about the same, but a lot less hassle. Thinking about going the full monty and trying out colmak for the layout of the keys.

Did you sandwich a layer of foam or something under the kaly42 inside the case? The cavity for the pcb is really deep

That Master Forge keyboard you mentioned briefly looks like a winner. Can't wait to see the review on that one.

9:10 Lmaoooooooooo

My first split keyboard was the glove80. I don't know that I would be able to buy another split keyboard without a well or a curve like the kinesis or the glove 80. If I didn't have RSI I might consider some of these other keyboards, I do like the look of this one but having that ergonomic key well it's just such a big deal. That being said I really haven't messed around with configuration, I really just have mine set up with a layer of numbers and a layer of symbols which I never use. I'll have to check out The timeless homerow mod, that looks pretty good as a introduction into using the full capabilities of this keyboard.

I understand ergonomics and I do see an advantage with split keyboard, but one thing baffles me is the price. Can anyone tell me why are they so high priced when compared to normal keyboard

I am trying to decide between the voyager and the glove. I get rsi but I have small hands and the voyager appeals for that reason. I will mount mine using arms where I can move it however I like. Interested in why you dont focus on your mouse? I have a small mouse pad arriving today and considering a tiny/mini mouse like ploopy but also looking at keyboards that have a tiny trackpad and also trackball by the B/N keys which might be helpful in addition to a mouse pad like the lily58. Would be interested in your thoughts thanks!

I make my living on my computer and easily spend 16 hours/day using it. I have no problems investing heavily in a quality setup. $600 is very steep for the keyboard, but once I got over the learning curve, the value is off the charts.

I haven't paid more than $100 for a keyboard my entire life. I thought I might upgrade after 15 years of PC gaming. Then I saw the $600 price tag. You. Have. To. Be. Fucking. Joking.

Looks pretty sweet

Hey, great video! I've been diagnosed with tenosynovitis, affecting the web space between my thumb and index finger. Do you know of any ergonomic split keyboards that minimize thumb stretching? I'm looking for something that will make typing more comfortable and less painful :( Thanks

16:21 The question is, is ZSA's advice regarding the steep learning curve directed at users who've only ever used straight (traditional) keyboards, or does it also apply to those of us who've been using ergonomic/split/tented keyboards for years? I myself have used nothing but ergonomic boards (most recently MS Sculpt) for decades, ever since the mid-1990's, so I'm used to the "Alice" layout. Every one of the boards I've used has had a "dome" in the middle (i.e. tented). Right now I'm trying to get used to my first Alice-layout *mechanical* keyboard, the Keychron V10 Max, and while the Alice layout is great, the lack of tenting is already causing some wrist and elbow pain after only a week of light usage. (I no longer work a day job so my computing is for personal use only.) I've been considering the Moonlander but, like its competitors, the hefty price and costly return policy makes me hesitate. (Yes, I know that ~$400 is "cheap" for a mechanical keyboard, but I'm looking for function, not to get into it as a hobby.) I appreciate videos like this that talk about the downsides of these keyboards, to help me decide.

Well, I really don't think I was waiting for a $365.00 keyboard. Having said that, it does look amazing. So, when the price drops to $65.00, I will definitely check it out.

You should try the Ugreen magnetic phone holder for tenting the Voyager. Its very stable and allows you to have higher tenting angles that you like.

Dygma is a fantastic keyboard company. Amazing support. I haven’t used Defy since I got the Voyager at the same time and I love it. But this video has inspired me to give Defy a try after I put in some linear switches in them.

It's been a year! Did you stick to it at the end?! Would be great to get a new video update ;)

So 3 and a half minutes of irrelevant intro and you want like and subscribe? How about dislike and never watch any of your videos ever again?

was told about the issue he has about moving the keyboard around then makes a joke about it. Thats why you have a ton of people that wont sub. Trash vid stoped watching after your unfunny joke... Im Unsubing both my accounts now. what a Jerk.

Dygma? What's dygma

0:40 looooool

Are they all concave? I have arthritis and I work from home. I'm not sure if the concave keyboards will work.

You look tired bro

Have you tried the miryoku keyboard layout? You basically don't have to move your fingers for the main modifier keys because they're at the resting keys for your fingers