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That's a good question - I haven't spoken to enough people to be sure, but I do know that all 4 of us went for a balancing system as our first thought. You're the second person who's commented to say that the self contained system was their method of choice though, so you're certainly not alone! The balancing system certainly "feels" easier in my brain, but that doesn't mean everyone will think the same way!

That does sound potentially interesting! I already have far too many games I'm trying to play though - and about half of them are Factorio in one way or another!

Awesome! I'm glad it worked for you - they're fairly simple once you've got your head around them, but getting the initial understanding can be quite daunting 🙂

Yeah, I might have missed out an important step!

Yes, if you place an arcolink chest in a spaceship, it'll be associated with the surface the ship is landed on (you can't place them on a moving ship), and if the ship moves to another surface, the chest will remain coded to the first surface. I went over it in the arcolink video here ruclips.net/video/x92KTxEZXB0/видео.html but I haven't made a proper Tutorio of it yet. You mean a spaceship which processes the resources as it flies? That's a lovely idea, but we've not made anything like that ... yet!

2 - problem is that there are no productivity modules in space.

@@marcmessing This is true... But it would still be cool!

Thks for the replies, good info!

@@walterroche8192 Happy to help! Thanks for watching 🙂

After what apparently happened with the original one, that sounds sensible.

Actually no - after the speed modules it takes about 1 pump per machine

Thank you! Yes, I try to leave my waffling for the streams and stream summaries!

@@LaurencePlays i checked out your channel and i couldnt find any tutorial or anything similar regarding trains and more specifically how train signals and chain train signals work, i personally find it sorta confusing where i can make a train work but i cant explain it to others, i also cannot figure out how to make a double headed train go back and forth in a single rail track, could you consider doing something on this?

@@Mamapuchas3000 ruclips.net/video/J_bYZtP9WRs/видео.html This one covers trains and signals, ruclips.net/video/6DcIU2ZDF6w/видео.html This one covers scheduling. My quick answer for chain vs normal signals is that for a junction, you use chains on the way in, and inside the junction. You use normal signals on the exit and between junctions. I don't tend to use double headed trains all that much, but the main thing to remember is that if you have a signal on one side of the track you MUST have one on the other side, or it becomes a single direction track in that area.

@@LaurencePlays many thanks

It's not impossible, but it's rather unlikely! Even if we assume we've got the first 3 glyphs right already, that's still 64^5 possible combinations to work through!

I'm sure there are plenty of normal Factorio people out there! Some of them might even watch my videos 😀

Nice one! Having a design just keep running without needing maintenance is a great step forwards! Somehow one I always seem to struggle with...

I sometimes forget about them too! I mostly use the red chests to feed the construction bots and use logistics bots to bring stuff to me directly; I don't use them much for general transport.

The weights must grow! I did stop for a while, I admit, but I'm back on it again now.

That's the joke ;-)

We certainly had a stream! Yeah, it was good, even if we didn't manage to get the stargate puzzle figured out properly. Enjoy your bender!

You can do circuits, you just need faith in yourself 🙂 There are lots of ways the problem can be solved - as you've seen - so just pick the one that makes the most sense to you!

@@LaurencePlays thx

you are into gaming?

Yeah - it's a silly puzzle and far beyond the limits of sanity... But we'll get it solved eventually, I'm (reasonably) sure!

@@EmmanuelMorrison-lg1uz of course, I play SE but I couldn't realize how many hours I will need to finish it until this video. Factory must grow.

3 of us have in previous games, but we're carefully not doing it until after we've done the archaeological one because we want that to be what triggers the "You won!" screen. 🙂

@@LaurencePlays Version: 0.6.109 Date: 22. 07. 2023 - Achieving a second victory type in the same save file will now make the Factorio victory screen appear again.

@@michaeldevlin5101 Oh, nice! I guess we could go ahead with the Spaceship victory in parallel then, although we're (hopefully!) so close now...

Thank you! Getting all this stuff automated is very satisfying - enjoy working your way up to spaceships 🙂

@@LaurencePlays for some reason my brain shuts down the minute I do any circuiting. Give me core processing and I’ll give you 10 solid outputs, 3 fluid outputs, 1 input, and I’ll make a nice tillable, beaconed, sorted and optimized blueprint. But a simple decider combinator scares me lol

@@aridianknight3576 It's probably a familiarity thing - spend some more time messing around with them and you'll get used to it! Perhaps check out my circuits tutorio video - that starts from simple stuff with a cable going from a tank to a pump and works up to more complex examples, hopefully slowly enough to keep you comfortable 🙂

@@LaurencePlays yeahhh I’ve mastered the simple “turn pump/inserted off when X” but it’s the intermediate stuff. I’m at the point where I’m transitioning from belt based to train based, the ground base is just getting too unwieldy and bot reliant. So I’m gonna check out your LTN video to get a handle on what’s involved.

@@aridianknight3576 Oooh, good plan - anything that means more trains and fewer bots has to be good 😀 I recommend making sure you're comfortable with circuits before you get to spaceships though - there's so much you can do with them if you can twist your mind into making the circuits for you!

Heh, no promises... I suspect Pyanodons would take several years to complete with a single four hour stream per week... Even with multiple players!

@@LaurencePlays expected length is about twice to your current run

Most players do it at 1000-1500 hours single player but it's much faster with several people and time between screens for though process

@@MikhailChernykh 1500 hours would be about 7 years! I don't think I want to devote myself to a single game for that long!

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I thought that image was probably OK and didn't give too much away unless you already knew what it meant... But it's a fair point, I've changed the thumbnail to one that's a bit less spoilery!

@@LaurencePlays Still looking on your videos and like this series but do want to figure out this myself in 0.7)

@@user-eb9iv8gx7e I think you're safe from a glance at the thumbnail, and I'm sure you're being careful with the actual video content. I've been making sure I give warnings and tell you what to avoid, so you should be fine!

We have not! We think we have enough information from what we've done so far, however that's something to consider if we realise there's something missing. The locations on the galaxy map would be hard to plot accurately, but it could be interesting to see which pyramids are where.

Those are definitely good questions! Short answers are "yes" and "probably", but we'll go into more detail in the retrospective.

You wouldn't need the pipe, the acid could be carried through the adjacent row of drills since they're all touching and in a perfect grid. You'd just be swapping a drill for a beacon. But, it doesn't matter because Melon isn't the bottleneck on production at the moment. 🙂

Seriously, this is some professional grade gaming.

Thank you! I really appreciate the compliments! The channel is steadily growing, so I'm hoping to not be underrated for too long 😀

@@samwheller Thank you! I think I've played enough Factorio that I can talk knowledgeably about it, and I think that comes across reasonably well 🙂

On the vulcanite planet? Yeah, that was a bit of a mistake! I probably had a good reason for putting that loop in originally, but I have no idea what it was now!

🤯That's a really good idea! Yeah, using the map view to place a mass of blueprints and then sending the FARL train out to build them is a fantastic use case; I feel silly for not thinking of it 😀 Not sure if it'll work from the nav sat, but at least if you set it running with yourself in the train, you can carry on working on other things while you ride around. Great idea!

@@LaurencePlays I just tried it and it doesn't seem to work like that. 😬😔. If you drive it to the blueprint it will ask you to automatically build the blueprint but when it reaches the end it stops and doesn't seek out more rail blueprints to finish. Sad, was a great idea lol.

@@jwin72 that makes sense, I guess. It's not a construction bot... Still useful though, I think.

That's an interesting idea - I gave it a try to see what difference it would make and I maybe gained 1 or 2 UPS. It's not making a lot of difference, I'm afraid!

Potentially! I'ts been a good couple of years since I've played just SE, but with our current K2SE run, we're doing all the processing of mundane resources centrally on Nauvis because it's once place to bring everything together, and with spaceships and elevators, logistics is cheap. We do have top-up supplies of stone and iron ore coming from other planets, but again being brought to Nauvis because doing it centrally is easier. In SE, there's a big tradeoff between what's easiest logistically (ie, making transport efficient) and what's easiest to manage (ie, doing everything in one place so you can pass byproducts and ingredients around) and deciding how you want to balance those two is one of the biggest differentiators between different people's factories. Your way certainly isn't wrong, but it also isn't the only option.

That must have taken a lot of scrolling!

The secret's out!

😲 You're right! I guess it's ducting time.

In theory it shouldn't be needed... In practice, it might need that help!

That's good advice! It does rather look like I haven't hooked it up there...

Have you been talking to Mike? That sounds like the sort of crazy he'd suggest!

Sounds reasonable - I know they're all manually set!

Thanks! It's a great mod, really powerful, so I'm sure you'll find it really useful! Check out the advanced video if you haven't yet 🙂

If you're still in early game vanilla, this series might be a little overwhelming! I would probably recommend that you start from the beginning, rather than this close to the end too. It's up to you - if you want to see what heavily modded Factorio looks like, this could be a good introduction to it! In vanilla, at least, you can never eliminate the biters, you can only push them back!

I think that might have been mentioned to me - I just didn't realise at the time because the description text of the smart splitter didn't say! Thanks for the reminder though - I should take a look at them and actually make some!

That makes sense - I didn't think it could have jammed from a single item! I wonder what caused it - especially with Regular's uranium; could it all be from bot crashes?

@@LaurencePlays There was the batteries being taken out of at least one of the lower trains that were being fed into the initial warehouse. Not sure how the uranium got there though, that could have been a bot crash. But I thought they were smarter about that kind of thing...

I also see a piece of uranium ore in the left fuel belt at the scrap load station

@@mdevos96 Ick... I wonder how on earth that got there! I want to blame everything on crashing bots, but I don't know if that's realistic.

Maybe the biters do have a religion based around trying to eat laser turrets! Naming constellations has been a tradition for thousands of years. 😀

Thank you! Is there any other part of Factorio you think I've missed and would like to see a Tutorio of?

We've talked about that a little bit, but there's been a general impression of "I don't want to do the Maths" for that. 😀 Maybe I should just give it a shot; there might be an obvious pattern!

Are you talking about the solar efficiencies? It's definitely only about 2% difference between different suns - I did the Maths in the video! I think building a Calidus main base is an interesting idea, but it's not one I'd encourage early on because although it'll make power easier, it'll make other things harder, especially early on. Making a bee-line for spaceships is also a nice idea, and one we did, however it took a bit longer to get to them than I expected and using delivery cannons for everything until then ... well, it worked but it felt a bit slow! Not sure I'd recommend it...

Or perhaps off the level of supply of naquitite in the space port. That does make sense, although in theory the red panels should be cheaper and easier to produce, we've just had a shortage of purple panels to make red panels! I like the idea though; having the system build different things based on what we have a good supply of makes a lot of sense.

@LaurencePlays and perhaps this method also makes sense in module city

@@tempy2440 Module city is already a low priority (at least for the vitastuff, which is the one we're short of), so I don't think it needs any further cutbacks. It's also more interesting for the panels because there's two valid outputs and you can use one or the other in the same situation, depending on your resource supply.

The big advantage is that you can load/unload the spaceship really really quickly... The disadvantage is that you can't fit anything like as much "stuff" on your spaceship for any given level of structural integrity. Oh, and if you're not careful, you'll occasionally get trains cut in half by a departing spaceship! Oh, and the other big advantage is that it looks really cool 😀

The middle belt was added to just take clean scrap from material science because it was making so much of it. In theory, that shouldn't be used by anything else, but yes - you're right, theory is just theory and at some point, someone's going to put a 3-3 balancer on that scrap bus and break everything! Putting in a filter would be relatively easy. I'll add it to the list 🙂

That would be horrifically expensive, and also a pain to balance... That's pretty much what we have on Taras for the imersite and it ... sort of works, but imersite is lower throughput. No, I don't think belts would be better - the system at full load uses something like 8 purple belts of vulcanite ore, and I don't want to run that much beltage all the way from the mines!

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