Faith Because of Reason
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Do You Exist?: The Case for a Substantive Self
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:32 - Skepticism About the Self
00:06:46 - Descartes and "Cogito, Ergo Sum"
00:10:58 - The Overreach Objection
00:14:36 - The Cartesian Circle Objection
00:19:55 - The General Circularity Objection
00:27:00 - The Subject of Experience
00:38:06 - The Thinker's Thoughts
00:43:18 - Persistence Through Time
00:53:24 - The Simplicity of the Self
01:00:33 - The Insignificance of Hume's Inability to Find Himself
01:08:53 - Conclusion
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“The Self”, Journal of Consciousness Studies 4 (5...
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The Mind Body Problem: An Introduction
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 02:22 - Physicalism 11:04 - Idealism 12:16 - Dualism 17:58 - Outlier Positions? 18:30 - The Modern Revival of Substance Dualism 23:28 - Substance Dualism and Atheism 27:34 - Substance Dualism and Theis...
The Historical Reliability of Acts
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US What is the book of Acts? Is it a reliable history of the early church and the life of the apostle Paul? Or is it a rather late, largely fictional retelling of these events? It is safe to say that modern New Testament scholarship st...
The Rationality of Belief in Miracles: Answering Hume and his Contemporary Defenders
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Is it rational to believe that miracles happen based upon testimony? David Hume famously argued that it is not. But despite over 200 years of steady criticism, there remain a number of philosophers who defend Hume's argument. This v...
Has Science Disproved Free Will?
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Full Video: ruclips.net/video/2GSIuYlvaHM/видео.html Sources: Living Without Free Will - Derk Pereboom Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will - Robert M. Sapolsky Free: Why Science Hasn’t Disproved Free Will - Alfred R. Mel...
Is Free Will Random?
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Full Video: ruclips.net/video/2GSIuYlvaHM/видео.html Sources: Free Will - Mark Balaguer Four Views on Free Will - John Martin Fischer, Robert Kane, Derk Pereboom, and Manuel Vagas Freedom, Teleology, and Evil - Stewart Goetz Persons...
An Abductive Argument For Free Will
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Full Video: ruclips.net/video/2GSIuYlvaHM/видео.html Sources: A Pragmatic Approach to Libertarian Free Will - John Lemos Free Will: Sourcehood and its Alternatives - Kevin Timpe The Oxford Handbook of Free Will - Robert Kane (ed) Ho...
A Case For Free Will
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US In this video, I’m going to bring together some of my thoughts on the topic of free will. I’ve been pondering this issue on and off for the past several years and my perspectives are, in many regards, unique. I hold to an indetermin...
Does God Use Circular Reasoning? | All Reasoning is Not Circular | Part 2
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Many contemporary Christian epistemologists confidently claim that epistemically circular reasoning must be okay because even God engages in it. They always cite the influential Christian philosopher Alvin Plantinga to support this ...
Why The Freethinking Argument is Contradictory
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US In this excerpt, I argue that the third and fourth premises of Tim Stratton's Freethinking Argument Against Naturalism are incompatible with one another. Watch the full video here: ruclips.net/video/Rd6K8unO3rk/видео.html Sources: H...
Why I Don't Use The Freethinking Argument | A Critique of Tim Stratton
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Do we need libertarian free will in order to think rationally? Is determinism somehow epistemically self-defeating? And if so, then does this provide us with some reason to think that God exists? An apologist by the name of Tim Stra...
Is The Bible Our Highest Authority?
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Many Christians believe that it is wrong to offer unbelievers evidence for the truth of Christianity. In particular, such objections can be found among Christian presuppositional apologists. They argue that the traditional method of...
"How Do You Know Your Reasoning is Valid?" | All Reasoning is Not Circular | Part 1
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Presuppositionalists like Sye Ten Bruggencate like to ask "How do you know your reasoning is valid?" in an attempt to demonstrate that all reasoning is circular. But does this question even make sense? And if it does, are there hidd...
The Argument From Forced-Fulfilled Prophecy
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US There are numerous arguments for the historical reliability of the Gospels based upon their contents. These include the accuracy of the Gospel authors with respect to geographical locations and names, as well as local customs, and c...
Why I Don't Use The Argument From Logic (The Lord of Non-Contradiction)
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Click here to support my research: patreon.com/FaithBecauseofReason?Link Click here to make a one-time donation: paypal.me/davidpallmann?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Many theists have thought that a divine conceptualist account of logic provides the theist with a ready account of the ontology of logic and, as a result, they think that the existence of logic can be used as an argument for theism....
How to Defeat the Argument From Undesigned Coincidences: A Skeptic's Guide
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How to Defeat the Argument From Undesigned Coincidences: A Skeptic's Guide
Making Sense of Old Testament Violence
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Making Sense of Old Testament Violence
Why I Don't Use Adam Lloyd Johnson's Moral Argument
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Why I Don't Use Adam Lloyd Johnson's Moral Argument
Why I Don't Use C Stephen Evans' Moral Argument
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Why I Don't Use C Stephen Evans' Moral Argument
Why I Don't Use Jerry Walls' And David Baggett's Moral Argument
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Why I Don't Use Jerry Walls' And David Baggett's Moral Argument
Why I Don't Use William Lane Craig's Moral Argument
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Why I Don't Use William Lane Craig's Moral Argument
Four Arguments For Moral Realism (And Why I Don't Use Them)
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Four Arguments For Moral Realism (And Why I Don't Use Them)
Why I Don't Use The Moral Argument For Theism
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Why I Don't Use The Moral Argument For Theism
Were the Gospels Originally Anonymous? A Response to @Kevigen
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Were the Gospels Originally Anonymous? A Response to @Kevigen
Why Would Matthew Copy From Mark's Gospel if he was an Eyewitness?
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Why Would Matthew Copy From Mark's Gospel if he was an Eyewitness?
Is Papias Reliable? Answering Bart Ehrman and Richard Carrier
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Is Papias Reliable? Answering Bart Ehrman and Richard Carrier
Who Was Papias' Source?: Exploring The Identity of John the Elder
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Who Was Papias' Source?: Exploring The Identity of John the Elder
Is Papias Talking About 'Our' Gospels of Matthew and Mark? Answering Bart Ehrman and Richard Carrier
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Is Papias Talking About 'Our' Gospels of Matthew and Mark? Answering Bart Ehrman and Richard Carrier
Are Papias and Irenaeus Independent Sources for the Authorship of the Gospels?
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Are Papias and Irenaeus Independent Sources for the Authorship of the Gospels?
Did Papias Only Talk About Matthew and Mark?: A 'New' Papian Fragment Tells a Different Story
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Did Papias Only Talk About Matthew and Mark?: A 'New' Papian Fragment Tells a Different Story

Комментарии

  • @thejohn17project15
    @thejohn17project15 2 дня назад

    Violence is not evil in and of itself. The idea that these texts are a problem usually comes from 2 things. First people not carefully reading the text and second not understanding the use of hyperbole in scripture.

  • @gk10101
    @gk10101 3 дня назад

    all knowledge about God is wrong. doubting this is doubting the greatness of God. we can know God and only then do we know the limitations of knowledge. we have yet to know the reality of these words from Paul, ""let God be true and every man a liar"

  • @stormburn1
    @stormburn1 3 дня назад

    If they had access to each other's works and were copying from each other, even adding details like the guards at the tomb explicitly to combat rumors of the body being stolen, then you don't have independent eyewitness accounts. You have no way of knowing which accounts were corroborated or which were just repeated. At best you have one person who claims to be an eyewitness, writing down their gospel decades after the fact. Others might claim to be eyewitnesses, but if they were referencing and copying another's work, then they're not independent. Add in those decades and influence by those years of tradition and competing/conflicting accounts that they were demonstrably aware of, and their memory becomes a near worthless source.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 2 дня назад

      You're confusing literary dependence with source dependence.

    • @stormburn1
      @stormburn1 2 дня назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Nah, copying for literary reasons still affects memory and retellings, especially decades later. Without copies of their fully independent testimonies prior to copying each other, there's no way to show any independence. Your best case becomes one coordinated, not corroborated, source.

  • @maxalaintwo3578
    @maxalaintwo3578 3 дня назад

    Although dualism is a relatively better position to take than materialism, I feel there are a few problems with it. If one wants to subscribe to a parallel substance dualism like Leibniz or Descartes, you run into the classic interaction problem. These two fundamental and irreducible substances can have no causative relationship with each other, and no correspondence outside of coincidence. Leibniz attempts to answer this problem by positing psycho-physical fine-tuning by God, saying that the only reason physical states correlate to mental states at all is because God ordained the match on purpose, but I have several issues with that proposal. 1. While I don’t object to a fine-tuning argument on principle, to suppose an arranger between these two substances where one substance suffices is not at all parsimonious. This kind of fine-tuning argument is not as explanatorily powerful as, for analogy and example, the usual cosmological fine-tuning argument theists like to use a lot. The argument for the fine-tuning of the universe for life is a successful abductive argument because it’s starting from our basic sense perception, and tries to explain how matter can organize in such a way that life is possible, but it doesn’t opine on the nature of matter itself to make its case. This psycho-physical arrangement is only needed IF dualism is true, which is not nearly as self-evident as the fact that we are alive and the universe allows for us (the life-permitting fine-tuning argument,) nor is it inherently more probable than any other interactionist model like idealist manipulation of information-with-the-appearance-of-matter for instance. 2. If matter and mind have to be arranged in advance to correlate with one another because causal relationship is impossible, then how can God, who is Spirit (according to both Scripture and philosophy,) affect matter Himself? If matter is a truly parallel substance, the mind of God should no more be able to interact with matter than we can, nevermind create it. This only pushes the problem up to God’s doorstep. 3. What even leads us to believe in matter outside our consciousness? We don’t perceive matter; we perceive our perceptions of matter. Whether that perception corresponds to a reality beyond our awareness is something we can never know because we can’t step outside of our mind to find out. We don’t know for sure whether our minds correspond with external matter, we only know for certain that our minds correspond to our perceptions. I’m not saying that everything is only our imagination, as things can obviously surprise us, but matter is only a theory to explain what we perceive. It’s the perception that is the question first. If we can’t establish the reality of matter with the same certainty that we can our minds and their perceptions, how can we posit an arrangement between them by God? 4. If substance dualism is true, then the ontological argument for God’s existence fails. If both matter and mind are fundamental substances and one can exist without the other, then it’s possibly that purely material worlds exist, or in other words: mindless worlds. But a mindless world can’t house a Maximally Great Being, because He is minded. The MGB is supposed to exist in all possible worlds (by virtue of necessity being a maximally great property,) and if the MGB can’t exist in some worlds, then He is not necessary, and by contraposition impossible. The only way you can say that God exists in all possible worlds is if mind exists in all possible worlds, but that is merely the same as saying that mind is necessary and matter is not, which is the idealist position anyway. 5. Ultimately, I find that dualists make a good argument for the reality of mind, but they don’t in turn make a case for the reality of matter. Matter is simply defined as “any substance existing independently of mind,” but that only answers what matter is not; that doesn’t explain what matter is (“independent” is a negative word, and “mind” is its referent; not a good look for materialists or dualists here.) If matter is truly something that exists without needing mind, then why does its definition need mind to relationally oppose it? If by matter one means “anything in spacetime that has mass” then matter at bottom is not material, because our most current physics describe the lowest matter best as immaterial probabilistic non-local information states (regardless of whether you think the observer has a casual relationship to such information or not is not my concern right now) and philosophically, models like bundle theory (where objects are nothing more than the sum of their perceived attributes) are also fully working models of the nature of objects. 6. Dualists have to make the case that there exists a spatiotemporal concrete reality that doesn’t need us to know about it to exist. But if we don’t need to know it exists for it to exist, then how can we know for certain? How can we know for certain our perceptions align with reality when things like illusions exist? Again, I’m not saying things can’t exist without our knowledge, or things can’t surprise us, but I am saying that positing an uncertainty as a fundamental substance seems imprudent. Matter can exist, but it can’t be fundamental if it’s only a probabilistic rationalization of our experiences, even if it’s a good rationalization, it’s not 100% perfect. 7. The fact of the matter is, mind is the only thing we know for sure. Matter is the theory to explain what we sense. From both a scientific perspective (the most recent physics) and a philosophical perspective (bundle theory,) matter can be explained immaterially, but the reverse is not true. Therefore, it is more reasonable to assume that mind is fundamental, rather than matter or both in coincidence. Many are concerned that this collapses to solipsism, but one need not worry about solipsism as a logical consequence. Leibniz’ law of indiscernibility of identicals renders the solipsist world indistinguishable from a realist world, but with extra assumptions that exist only to be explained away. Also a simple modus tollens render solipsism false. If my mind is necessary, then it ought to have attributes befitting of a necessary mind (immutability, perfection, omniscience, etc.) My mind does not have these attributes, therefore my mind is not necessary. So if mind as such is fundamental, but not my mind in particular, then another mind outside of myself is responsible for my existence and the existence of all contingent minds, which is the theistic idealist case.

  • @trentr8906
    @trentr8906 5 дней назад

    I have a question about 10:15 In a debate between Eli Ayala and Tom Jump on the question "Is there Reason to believe in God?", Eli brought up that Bertrand Russell pointed out The Cognito was fallaciously circular (the debate is on the Revealed Apologetics Spotify account, but I cannot find it on the Revealed Apologetics RUclips channel. If you listen to the episode, it is at the 26:45 minute mark.). Tom Jump strongly objected and said Bertrand Russell "never ever said that." Eli was unable to provide the source at that moment. Can anyone provide the source? Did Bertrand Russell say that The Cognito was fallaciously circular? (Full disclosure, I haven't watched this whole video essay yet.)

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      I believe it's in chapter 2 of The Problems of Philosophy. But I'm not certain about that.

  • @CosmoPhiloPharmaco
    @CosmoPhiloPharmaco 5 дней назад

    1:00:53 I wish you discussed the Buddhist arguments.. These are the most influential arguments against the self today, as far as I know. Folks like Sam Harris keep pushing the doctrine of 'anatta' non-stop because of the Buddhist background, and people are buying this non-sense. He also claims that neuroscience supports the idea that there is no place in the brain where the self can be found (or, if you're a dualist, there is no specific place in the brain where the immaterial self connects to the brain to manifest itself).

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      Perhaps I should have. They just strike me as so strange and arcane that I thought it would bore most people to include them in this video especially given how long the video already turned out to be. But chapter 6 of Brenner's book adequately dispels them in my opinion so I'd refer you there if you're interested.

    • @CosmoPhiloPharmaco
      @CosmoPhiloPharmaco 5 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Thanks for this suggestion. I've already downloaded the pdf version of the book. I'll read it later. Anyway, your video is quite interesting!

  • @jjjccc728
    @jjjccc728 5 дней назад

    I'm a physicalist. Doesn't an individual self disappear when the brain is destroyed? The self is a brain state. The brain is physical. ## Charting the Terrain of the Self: Examining the Conceptual Map Source 1 endeavors to construct a conceptual map of the **substantive self**, a philosophical concept asserting that the "self" is a real, unified, and enduring entity. The source grapples with a fundamental question: **Does a "self" actually exist, or is it merely an illusion or a convenient linguistic construct?** **The Territory:** The territory being mapped is the very nature of our existence as conscious beings. It encompasses our subjective experiences, thoughts, beliefs, and the enduring sense of being a single, continuous "I" throughout our lives. **The Map:** 1. **The "I" as the Center:** The map posits a central point, the "I," the self, which serves as the anchor for all conscious experience. This "I" is not merely a passive observer but an active agent that thinks, feels, believes, and experiences the world from a first-person perspective. 2. **The "I" as Possessor and Relator:** The map depicts the "I" as the owner and experiencer of thoughts and feelings. It argues that experiences are inherently possessed and relational; there cannot be a pain, for example, without someone feeling it. This ownership and relationality necessitate a self to serve as the "owner" and the subject of the relationship. 3. **The "I" as Unifier:** The map highlights the unity of conscious experience. Our sensory inputs, thoughts, and emotions are woven together into a single, coherent stream of consciousness. This unity requires a unifying principle, and the map proposes that the "I" provides this principle. 4. **The "I" as Enduring:** The map traces a line of continuity through time, representing the persistence of the "I" despite physical changes. It draws upon our intuitive sense of being the same person over time and uses memory as evidence of this continuity. **The Fit of the Map:** **Strengths:** * **Intuitions and Phenomenology:** The map aligns well with common intuitions about ourselves. Most people have a strong sense of being a unified, continuous self that possesses thoughts and experiences. The map grounds its arguments in the phenomenology of our lived experience, making it accessible and relatable. * **Addressing Skepticism:** The map directly engages with the skepticism of philosophers like David Hume, attempting to dismantle their counterarguments and demonstrate the inherent self-contradictions in denying the self's existence. * **Conceptual Clarity:** The map effectively uses philosophical concepts like "substance," "simplicity," and "immateriality" to refine our understanding of the self. These concepts, though complex, help to distinguish the self from mere physical matter or a collection of disparate experiences. **Limitations:** * **The Physicalist Challenge:** While the map strongly suggests an immaterial self, it acknowledges that physicalism, the view that everything is ultimately physical, can offer alternative explanations. It concedes that a physicalist could posit a fundamental physical particle as the basis of the self. This leaves a potential gap in the map's representation of the territory. * **Eastern Philosophy:** The map primarily focuses on arguments arising from Western analytic philosophy. It briefly mentions, but does not explore, perspectives from Eastern philosophical traditions, some of which challenge the notion of a fixed, enduring self. A more comprehensive map might incorporate these alternative viewpoints. **Overall, the map drawn in Source 1 provides a compelling and detailed depiction of the self as a substantive entity.** It effectively leverages philosophical arguments and common intuitions to support its claims. While it acknowledges some limitations, it offers a valuable framework for understanding the nature of our existence as conscious beings.

  • @qazrockz
    @qazrockz 5 дней назад

    Where would you put illusionism (Keith Frankish) and your opinion/ criticism of the same?

  • @AltayKruveun
    @AltayKruveun 5 дней назад

    Good work from the intro :) I will watch it fully later. I wanted to ask what's your thoughts on epistemological skyhook or global debunking arguments against naturalism? Where if we assume that the naturalist holds onto the following two premises: 1) Causal closure naturalism [which can be argued to be a consequence of staunch naturalism and naturally follows from it] 2) Physicalist view of mind We essentially can reach the conclusion that are thoughts are predetermined for us by causal chains, and this essentially is a epistemological issue for the naturalistic worldview and parsimony breaker (where a worldview that can explain the same as naturalism/physicalism like theism or even supernaturalism atheism, is much superior to the standard popular naturalistc position. Now there are various versions and variants of this argument, some make stronger cases, some weaker. Most recently I was reading Ibrahim Dagers "Expanding William Hasker's Transcendental Refutation of Determinism". I have heard essentially a few objections: internalism and circularity. Kane B has a video on the general genre of this argument (global debunking) and covers much of the argument and proposed objections. I wanted to ask what your thoughts on this argument are. Thanks for the recent videos :)

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      I'm generally not a big fan of evolutionary debunking arguments. I think that they tend to commit the genetic fallacy and assume an externalist epistemology. Since I'm a hardcore internalist, it's hard for me to get behind these sorts of arguments. If you're interested in my extended thoughts, I'd refer you to my video discussing Adam Johnson's moral argument. He attempts to revamp Plantinga's evolutionary argument against naturalism in the domain of morality. In my video, I explain why I don't think his argument works. But my response to that argument can be generalized to basically all evolutionary debunking arguments.

    • @Mikeahh
      @Mikeahh 4 дня назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Where do you learn philosophy? I am a Christian and watching these video's are a bit confusing considering I have no idea what the term's are etc. Do you have like a few beginner book's for a noob? thanks.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 4 дня назад

      ​@@Mikeahh a few that I found helpful early on would include the following: Philosophy Made Slightly Less Difficult - Moreland and DeWeese Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview - Craig and Moreland Contours of Christian Philosophy (series) - C. Stephen Evans (editor) How Do We Know? - Dew and Foreman All of these introduce philosophy from a Christian perspective and should be reasonably accessible to those without a prior knowledge of the subject. 🙂

    • @Mikeahh
      @Mikeahh 3 дня назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Thanks man, much appreciated.

  • @AltayKruveun
    @AltayKruveun 6 дней назад

    Rickabaugh's book is fantastic, and excellent video as usual.

  • @BrinLorien
    @BrinLorien 10 дней назад

    Amazing video. I really appreciated your self critique in the second half of the video. It legitimises your stance and helps people be more critical of this view if they want to adopt it themselves.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      Thanks! I am rather proud of this video despite the fact that it doesn't get as much attention as some of my others.

  • @agrbrown
    @agrbrown 11 дней назад

    ruclips.net/video/K8rDUQCF79Y/видео.html

  • @robertcain3426
    @robertcain3426 15 дней назад

    They used the Greek Septuagint. So, why would they write in Hebrew? And why would it matter?

  • @thorobreu
    @thorobreu 17 дней назад

    Yeeeeesssssss. Been looking forward to this one

  • @11kravitzn
    @11kravitzn 17 дней назад

    Physicalism can be stated as the position that the human body is a physical system acting the way physical systems act. So the human body is made of the same fundamental particles acting according to the physical laws they are observed to act according to in all known cases. If humans are normal physical stuff acting in a normal physical way, then physicalism is true. The anti-physicalist must hold that the human body is not merely normal physical stuff acting in a normal physical way. If so, then a careful study of the human body should reveal either non-normal stuff or normal stuff acting non-normally. These would totally overturn our current physics, and would amount to small miracles happening all the time. If the "soul" has no way of interacting with the body so that the body doesn't just do what a physical system acting in the normal physical way, then the body would simply act in the normal physical way, making physicalism true. But we can be highly confident that no small frequent miracles are happening in the human body (why only human?), and so physicalism is extremely plausibly true. Let me know when you have some evidence that the human body isn't just physical stuff acting in the usual way physical stuff acts. Find some miracles happening in the brain or accept that you are not a tiny god temporarily trapped inside an animal body. It's just too obvious that the dualists simply want to find some way to retain the absurdly outdated idea of a human soul. Maybe spiders and trees and pigs and also have these immortal souls, why not? Anthropocentrism and supernaturalism had a baby and it was the cute but ridiculous idea of an immortal soul.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 13 дней назад

      "Physicalism can be stated as the position that the human body is a physical system acting the way physical systems act." Hardly. The substance dualist would readily agree that the human *body* is a physical system. Physicalism is a thesis about the mind which, for substance dualists, is not the same thing as the body. "If humans are normal physical stuff acting in a normal physical way, then physicalism is true." This is too vague. If you mean that the human *body* is physical stuff acting in a physical way, then this belief is held in common between dualists and physicalists. If instead you mean that human beings are completely physical stuff acting in a physical way, then you are correct that physicalism is true. As stated, this sentence can be read either way. "The anti-physicalist must hold that the human body is not merely normal physical stuff acting in a normal physical way." Hardly. Substance dualists affirm that this is exactly what the human *body* is. We deny that this is what the human mind is. "If so, then a careful study of the human body should reveal either non-normal stuff or normal stuff acting non-normally." Why should it reveal that? You might be able to argue that interactionist dualism would reveal non-physical causal entities (although even then, I would challenge why a study of the physical body would be expected to reveal such a thing). But substance dualists don't have to be interactionists. Suppose that epiphenomenalism is true. Given epiphenomenalism, mental states could be non-physical but unable to causally affect the physical world. Given epiphenomenalism, there is no reason to think that one could discover these mental states solely by examining the body. "These would totally overturn our current physics, and would amount to small miracles happening all the time." Even on interactionism, this is false. See my video on miracles for my explanation as to why miracles don't constitute a violation of natural laws. "If the "soul" has no way of interacting with the body so that the body doesn't just do what a physical system acting in the normal physical way, then the body would simply act in the normal physical way, making physicalism true." I've already explained why this is false. You are continuing to mistake mind/body dualism for a theory of the body when it is actually a theory of the mind. "But we can be highly confident that no small frequent miracles are happening in the human body (why only human?), and so physicalism is extremely plausibly true." What gives rise to this confidence? What is the evidence that there isn't any immaterial interaction between the mind and the body? "Let me know when you have some evidence that the human body isn't just physical stuff acting in the usual way physical stuff acts." Again, the thesis is that the human *mind* isn't physical stuff. And evidence for this will be presented in the remainder of the series. "It's just too obvious that the dualists simply want to find some way to retain the absurdly outdated idea of a human soul." Why is it absurd? You've supplied no evidence for this. "Maybe spiders and trees and pigs and also have these immortal souls, why not?" I wouldn't be surprised if pigs (and other higher animals) have immaterial minds since they appear to have conscious experience. Trees and spiders could have souls but there is little reason to believe that spiders do and none to believe that trees do since these entities don't show the same signs of having consciousness experience. So this is nothing more than a theoretical curiosity. I've already explained in the video why substance dualism doesn't entail that souls are immortal.

    • @11kravitzn
      @11kravitzn 12 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Thanks for the thoughtful reply. This comes down to, effectively, the interaction problem. In substance dualism, the two substances must somehow interact. The mind of the man causes his arm to rise. But how can that happen? The second substance must in some way affect the body of the man so that it does what it wouldn't otherwise do if that second substance hadn't acted on it. But then we should be able to measure that effect on the body of which that second substance is the cause. We would see what would look like occult forced acting on material, probably in the nervous system or the brain. A particle in the brain would move in such a way that is not accountable for just using the known laws of physics, because the second substance caused it to do so. Do you really think we will someday discover such occult forces in the (first substance) brain caused by the second substance? There's a Novel prize in that for sure. The physicalist would say there won't be found such occult forces: all the substance in the human body is acting according to the same laws of physics as anything else. So there is no way for this supposed second substance to do anything. It may as well not be there. But there is such a thing as "the mind", let's say. Then the physicalist would simply conclude that mind can happen physically, just with the one substance. How, exactly? That is to be elaborated, and certainly can be. Personally, I think it's better than punting to some occult second substance with, it so happens, just those properties that are for minds and does what minds do. How, exactly? It simply is that way, it so happens. Would the body would do the same thing whether or not it was there, presumably as some unobserved p-zombie? Good thing this second substance is here so second-substance-we can observe and enjoy what our body would do and experience whether or not second-substance-we were here, second-substance-we are just along for the ride, and second-substance-we have no agency upon the body, and thus no moral accountability. I think it was CS Lewis who compared it to a pianist at a piano, and the piano can malfunction or be destroyed without anything happening to the pianist. But pianos do not spontaneously make music, they need input from the pianist to hit the keys in the right way. In that case, the first substance body would need some input from the second substance to cause it to do what it would not otherwise do. The physicalist would say you're unnecessarily reifying what can simply be described phenomenally, multiplying entities beyond necessity. This is what it's like to be a homo sapiens. What's it like to be a bat? Do bats have souls? Do bats go to heaven? Will bats be resurrected in the eschaton? Maybe bacteria and sea sponges have souls. Do viruses? Would a self replicating proto-cell? Does a sperm cell have a soul? Or maybe some fraction of people are unfortunately unsouled p-zombies, how could you know? Rather than posit some entity, the physicalist is tentatively confident that a thorough understanding of the one substance will be enough. Also, by the by, it's pretty clear that there is a species of egoism at play here, even narcissism. I am such an amazing creature. What makes me so special? My soul/mind. Rocks and sticks and gingers don't have that. I'm willing to extend this to others, my tribe, all humans, all mammals, all vertebrates, all animals, all life, maybe, but I draw the line somewhere. Something is beneath me, and I am special. I think I might live forever, and judge angels! Do you want to take a bet of whether occult second-substance-caused forces will be found in the brain in the next 25 years? Ah, but it's hard to prove that they're NOT there, maybe they're very small or elusive. Best to keep your theory unfalsifiable, God forbid it was empirically disproven (and obviously it's not empirically grounded). The physicalist claim, by contrast, is falsifiable: find that occult force. Maybe we can get a fresh cadaver and hold a seance and their departed soul will come back and move their little finger or something. What would it take to convince you that physicalism was true, I wonder? A definitive demonstration that every smallest force in the human body, for its entire life, can be accounted for by the same laws of physics as apply in trees and rocks and lakes and empty space and anywhere in the universe. There is nothing for a second substance to do, so why posit it? The one substance is perfectly sufficient (The same reasoning would apply to God, and the same sorts of apologetics seem to come up in response)

  • @galaxyn3214
    @galaxyn3214 18 дней назад

    The ghost in my machine liked this video! 🤖👻

  • @truthovertea
    @truthovertea 18 дней назад

    It’s about time! Was getting a little concerned 😅

  • @pascalpowers
    @pascalpowers 18 дней назад

    Excited for this and future videos, been meaning to look into this topic but didn't know where to start, thank you!

  • @TorqueBow
    @TorqueBow 18 дней назад

    THE GOAT THE GOAT THE GOAT IS BACKKKKK

  • @OfAngelsAndAnarchist
    @OfAngelsAndAnarchist 18 дней назад

    The Buddhists solved this completely over a thousand years ago Why are you still exploring this in Abrahamic terms? “As long as you’re willing to believe in magic/a soul, what I have to say makes sense…” Buddy. No. If you believe in Star Wars, I’ve got a bunch of stuff about the force to tell you. It’s in instantly self defeating proposition

    • @QueloKFC
      @QueloKFC 18 дней назад

      @@OfAngelsAndAnarchist Buddhists disagree with respects to characterizing anattā. Which tradition do you assume "solved" it?

  • @QueloKFC
    @QueloKFC 18 дней назад

    Based Substance Dualist 😎

  • @OfAngelsAndAnarchist
    @OfAngelsAndAnarchist 18 дней назад

    Haha it’s a fairytale You’re too old to believe in Santa

  • @petromax4849
    @petromax4849 18 дней назад

    What do 'physical' and 'material' mean here? Are they synonymous with 'composite'? Or are they suggesting some kind of deterministic mechanism? It's confusing because if the mind exists it must be a real object that can interact with matter.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 18 дней назад

      I defined these terms in some detail towards the end of the video.

    • @petromax4849
      @petromax4849 18 дней назад

      ​@@faithbecauseofreason8381 Sorry, I had assumed it would be in the first half. Your definition is weird because it uses 'space' which itself requires a clear definition as much as the others; and additionally, minds do appear to have location and maybe even spacial extension, whatever that means, since a mind is attached somehow to a body.

    • @subhrodiprakshit8923
      @subhrodiprakshit8923 7 дней назад

      ​@@petromax4849being attached somehow does not mean it must have been generated or formed by body processing...or is inseperable from body It can be like we act after wearing a jacket or shirt... And all are done together during that time

  • @QueloKFC
    @QueloKFC 18 дней назад

    Lemme defend Copan & Flannagan rq: 1) Why doesn't God (a Perfect judge) have the authority to alter the course of someone's life (and come home to Him, their ultimate reason for living, early)? If you take barah in Genesis to refer to function-assigning rather than mere creation, this will extend into the ethical domain (e.g., father-child relation). So, for every other child, God has planned their life with goods in this life that we don't have the right (in some non-double effect context), to take. But since God has the divine moral authority to change the course and normative path of their life (as the vast majority of theists are committed to), you can't really argue (a) God has violated Perfect Love by using the Israelites as a means to bring children home or (b) this entails we have the right to kill those prior to the age of accountability--as we don't have such an authority. 2) If you trust the intelligence agencies of CIA, FBI, MI6, Mossad, etc, in eliminating terrorists (even if that means there'll be children casualties), why wouldn't you trust the intelligence of God (infallible in power, knowledge, goodness) to take life? 3) If God is the *ultimate & infallible source* of The Gift of Life (ensoulment & purpose-giving), He is under no duty to ensure anyone is on this earth for some specified interval. 4) Parents, adults, and capable human beings-more generally have duties (God assigned or however else you wanna account for it) to not either, ensure the welfare or, minimally, not harm other human beings *relative to their capabilites, sovereignty, and control over their earthly context.* But since God is capable, sovereign, and also facilitates control, function-assignment & life-planning, and perfect judgment over non-earthly domains, His duties are much broader and not as restricted as ours (e.g., hence why He can allow defeasible earthly horrors we have duties to prevent & stop or decide the right time to bring children to Him).

  • @grantbartley483
    @grantbartley483 18 дней назад

    Nice breakdowns. Think about putting some background music in occasionally.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 18 дней назад

      I used to use background music. But most viewers didn't seem to like it.

    • @grantbartley483
      @grantbartley483 18 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 fair enough! PS I am a Christian, the editor of Philosophy Now, and my playlist of consciousness videos is at ruclips.net/p/PLwaiQXAdTRa1dkiZTfUxSLBIHA6QRC7fp You might find some interesting ideas there

  • @stormchaser9738
    @stormchaser9738 18 дней назад

    Where would a hylemorphic theory more like Aristotle (And Plotinus) fall. If I remember correctly Plotinus has the soul as the form of the body, AND as the independent individually existent thing. The body in that case is an accident. Under Aristotle’s categories this wouldn’t be substance dualism because the body is an accident, not a substance, but I think the way the terms are being used probably shifted over time so it means something different when you use it.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 18 дней назад

      Hylemorphic dualism, as I understand it, is a type of substance dualism. At least some proponents of it (i.e. J. P. Moreland and Matthew Owen) explicitly identify it as a type of substance dualism. I know there are those (especially online) who deny that it is a type of substance dualism. But I suspect a lot of that arises from the incorrect assumption that substance dualism just is Cartesian dualism.

    • @QueloKFC
      @QueloKFC 18 дней назад

      ​@faithbecauseofreason8381 Yeah, I like to distinguish between the mind claim (your mind isn't identical to or a part of your brain; is immaterial) and the personal identity claim that Descartes adds (*you are* your mind).

  • @gnomueaux
    @gnomueaux 18 дней назад

    the GOAT is back

  • @stormchaser9738
    @stormchaser9738 18 дней назад

    We’re so back

    • @sndpgr
      @sndpgr 18 дней назад

      Yeah !!!

  • @johnegaming2407
    @johnegaming2407 18 дней назад

    He's back! 🗿

  • @tookie36
    @tookie36 19 дней назад

    How does anything in this video suggest papi was reliable???

  • @tookie36
    @tookie36 20 дней назад

    Can we call him papi?

  • @tookie36
    @tookie36 21 день назад

    Don’t your arguments show that papius is unreliable? At best in your arguments he is using techniques that show he isn’t a recorder of history but more a polemicist

  • @dennythedavinchi3832
    @dennythedavinchi3832 22 дня назад

    But still. There is no Hebrew sources previously written before Greek source we read. You can't argue that.

  • @SetaFlameMinistries
    @SetaFlameMinistries 23 дня назад

    This is incredible and deserves more attention. Unfortunately I am not educated enough on this side of Bible history to be able to understand much😭🙏 but then again I’m also listening to this while at work. I’ll give it another shot in the future! But again, from what I could understand this is incredible and certainly has given me confidence. God bless you.

  • @Nivalian
    @Nivalian Месяц назад

    Either your volume is low or the speakers in the response video talk really loud. It was so annoying to listen to the loud whiney lady yelling like a 6 year old. Is there a way to adjust the volume?

  • @keyaboo_7
    @keyaboo_7 Месяц назад

    Good video. I think the Augustinean interpretation is more likely, but that conclusion is based on comparisons where I assume that Luke, being the better writer, is able to hide conflation effectively.

  • @theepitomeministry
    @theepitomeministry Месяц назад

    Really enjoyed this video a few months back - wondering if you're alright since you haven't posted in a while? Really miss your content, but want to make sure you're okay above anything.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      Appreciate the concern. I've been busy with my new job plus studying a lot for my new series on dualism.

    • @theepitomeministry
      @theepitomeministry 5 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 I'm looking forward to seeing the dualism videos! That's a topic I'm not well studied on but interested in

  • @Yoda-bg5ei
    @Yoda-bg5ei Месяц назад

    Just finished all videos. What a great thorough treatment of arguments for Matthean priority! Thanks. I’m quite surprised how good this case is and how weak the scholarly consensus actually is. Christian scholars should abandon Markan priority since it leads to so much unhelpful and erroneous ideas about the gospels and the development of early Christianity.

  • @makarov138
    @makarov138 Месяц назад

    At 6:31 Papias writes a long sentence where the Disciple John is named, and then within the same sentence is the presbyter John. Since John most certainly died at or before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70AD, this most likely is the younger John Eleaser or Lazarus. He became quiet the celebrated one later.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      Why is it most certain that John died at or before 70 AD?

    • @makarov138
      @makarov138 5 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Because the Revelation does not contain the greatest world event in the first century in it's pages: The complete destruction of both the religious order and economy of the first century Capitol and Temple of that final wicked and adulterous generation of the covenant people of Israel!! Instead, it describes the events leading up to that traumatic event. And the measuring of a temple that IS NOT THERE in the text would be ridiculous! That temple was still there when John wrote the Revelation! But not after 70AD. The Apostle John was said by Jesus that, like his brother James, would suffer martyrdom as well.

  • @anonymous5762
    @anonymous5762 Месяц назад

    @41:40 can you PLEASE CLARIFY, or at least provide a link to your video on this?????

  • @markr5251
    @markr5251 Месяц назад

    My 3 Related Arguments for Moral Realism and God Let: * G = A transcendent, intelligent, and creative God * S = A body of developing human souls with free will * P = The purpose of creation, which is a birthing place for S (souls) * MR = Moral realism * MS = Moral subjectivism Argument 1: If G, S, and P exist, then MR must follow as true. 1. Premise 1: G, S, and P exist. * God (G) created the universe with an intentional purpose (P), which is the development and moral maturation of free-willed human souls (S). This establishes the idea that creation is not arbitrary but purposeful, with the goal of nurturing souls. 2. Premise 2: For souls to develop, there must be a moral framework. * To achieve their purpose (P), souls (S) must be guided by an objective moral framework. This is necessary because free will entails the capacity to make meaningful choices. Without an objective standard of right and wrong, moral development would lack direction, making it impossible for souls to grow in a meaningful way. An arbitrary or purely subjective framework would not provide a consistent basis for moral growth. 3. Conclusion: If G, S, and P exist, MR must follow. * Given the existence of God (G), souls (S), and a purposeful creation (P), moral realism (MR) must follow. The existence of these conditions logically implies the presence of objective moral truths that guide souls toward their intended moral and spiritual growth. These moral truths are not contingent on personal opinion or social convention; they are aligned with God’s will and the purpose of creation. Argument 2: If MR is true, then G, S, and P can or must be inferred. 1. Premise 1: MR is true. * If we accept that objective moral truths (MR) exist, we must account for their origin. Objective moral truths, by definition, are true regardless of human opinion, cultural background, or individual preferences. Therefore, their source must be independent of human subjectivity. 2. Premise 2: Moral realism requires a foundation. * Objective moral truths need a transcendent foundation because they are universal and unchanging. If moral truths are objective, they cannot be the product of fluctuating human perspectives. Instead, they must be grounded in something that transcends individual experience-something that is itself unchanging, intelligent, and capable of determining what is morally right or wrong. This is where the need for a higher, transcendent source, such as God (G), comes into play. 3. Why God? God is posited as the best candidate for this foundation because: * Universality: As a transcendent being, God provides a universally applicable source for moral truths that transcends cultures and contexts. * Objectivity: God’s unchanging nature ensures that these truths remain stable over time, offering a firm foundation for moral guidance. * Authority: If God is the creator, His moral laws carry binding authority, providing a reason why these truths should guide human behavior. 4. Conclusion: If MR is true, then G, S, and P must be inferred. * If we accept moral realism, it implies the existence of a transcendent source (G), morally significant agents (S), and a purposeful universe (P) in which these moral truths guide the development of human souls. The existence of G, S, and P can thus be inferred from the acceptance of MR, as objective moral truths would not exist in a purposeless, unguided universe. Christian Argument Against Moral Subjectivism (MS): 1. Premise 1: MS leads to self-contradiction and destruction. * Moral subjectivism (MS) asserts that morality is based on individual or cultural preference, leading to conflicting moral views without a universal standard to resolve them. This results in practical and philosophical contradictions. If all moral perspectives are equally valid, then we have no basis for resolving disputes, punishing crimes, or establishing justice. This leads to societal confusion and eventual breakdown. 2. Premise 2: MS is unworkable in societies. * The social, physical, and legal consequences of moral subjectivism reveal its impracticality. Without an objective framework, societies struggle to establish consistent laws or enforce justice. Individuals and groups may hold conflicting moral views, but subjectivism provides no way to mediate these differences. This leads to societal disorder, as no coherent moral framework exists to guide behavior or resolve moral conflicts. 3. Conclusion: Therefore, MR must be true. * Given that MS results in self-contradictory and destructive consequences, MR must be true, as it offers the only workable and coherent alternative. Moral realism provides the stable foundation needed for societies to function effectively and for souls to develop morally. From this, we can infer the existence of G (as the transcendent source of morality), S (as morally significant beings), and P (as the purpose behind creation and moral growth). Response to Criticisms: * Why must morality have a foundation? Objective morality requires a foundation to avoid becoming arbitrary or subjective. If there is no foundation, then moral truths are reduced to personal or cultural preferences, which leads to moral relativism. An objective foundation-like God-ensures that moral truths are universally binding and unchanging. * Why must God be the foundation? God is posited as the most plausible foundation because He provides universality, objectivity, and authority to moral truths. These are essential qualities for moral laws to be valid across time and space, independent of human opinion. While other transcendent sources could theoretically be proposed, God, as a transcendent, intelligent, and creative being, best fits the role of grounding objective moral truths.

  • @Nivalian
    @Nivalian Месяц назад

    I am starting to believe this synoptic puzzle is on purpose. Our human brains can't figure this out because it was all inspired by God. Just like we can't comprehend the Trinity, we won't comprehend this puzzle. I love it.

  • @Nivalian
    @Nivalian Месяц назад

    These videos are incredible. Well done!

  • @marksolum1794
    @marksolum1794 Месяц назад

    Papias is wrong John Mark (Mark) knew Jesus and the Apostles since the last supper was at his mother's house and he witnessed Jesus being arrested. He was too young to have followed Jesus around like the Apostles. His father was Greek and mother Jewish from so being a translator to Peter makes sense.

  • @Thomasw540
    @Thomasw540 Месяц назад

    Probability is the boundary of Free Will between God and humanity. Thre is a element of the human psyche that is unavailbale to the mind of God until we die or we open the door to the Holy Spirit. Jesus''s practice of not explaining things directly is His defense of the integrity of Free Will.

  • @christiangadfly24
    @christiangadfly24 Месяц назад

    I just finished a video that covered this. I wish I had found this BEFORE making my video, haha.

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      Where can I find your video?

    • @christiangadfly24
      @christiangadfly24 5 дней назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 It's the one responding to holy coolaid. It's time stamped so you can find where it's talking about authorship. Your video is great btw.

  • @ShawHortonMusic
    @ShawHortonMusic Месяц назад

    I may not be convinced yet that Marcan priority isn’t true, but I will say that your critics have a snide tone and clearly didn’t take the time to listen to your entire argument. I do think you made a compelling case against some common explanations for Marcan priority and a compelling case for Mark as a conflation of Matthew and Luke based on certain passages, but there are still certain things which keep me from abandoning Marcan priority.

  • @ShawHortonMusic
    @ShawHortonMusic Месяц назад

    Can you make a video comparing the Olivet Discourse in the Synoptics (Matthew 24-25, Mark 13, Luke 17&21)? I find it to be the passage which best supports Marcan priority. Mark’s Olivet Discourse is the shortest and primarily focuses on the 70 AD destruction of the Jerusalem temple, while Matthew’s Olivet Discourse is significantly expanded and focuses on both the destruction of Jerusalem and the “end of the age” judgement (also specifically having the disciples ask about the two separate events rather than one event). It makes more sense to me that Matthew would expand and “clear up” Mark’s passage rather than Mark shortening and muddying up Matthew’s passage, though I’d love to be proven wrong. Additionally, Luke’s version of the eschatological statements are parsed out differently than Matthew and Mark’s and a few key phrases are changed.

  • @ShawHortonMusic
    @ShawHortonMusic Месяц назад

    How is Mark’s gospel a conflation of Matthew’s and Luke’s gospels if Mark’s gospel is also a record of Peter’s preaching in Rome? Is Mark conflating Matthew and Luke by only including what he remembered Peter preached and leaving out anything Peter didn’t mention?

    • @faithbecauseofreason8381
      @faithbecauseofreason8381 5 дней назад

      I take Bernard Orchard's view that Peter's sermon in Rome was based on the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. So when composing his Gospel based on Peter's sermon, Mark also based his Gospel on Matthew and Luke.

    • @ShawHortonMusic
      @ShawHortonMusic 2 дня назад

      @@faithbecauseofreason8381 Interesting, thank you!