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Japanese Progress Update - 9 Months | Refold/Immersion Learning
I've been learning Japanese for 9 months now using Refold, Immersion, AJATT, MIA, TheMoeWay whatever method this is called now.
I tried to cut down on the yapping and be more to the point in this video so let me know if you prefer this.
I forgot to add some of the transition titles.
00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Anki
01:35 - Reading
05:20 - Listening
06:55 - Stats
08:05 - Future Plans
09:06 - Outro
I tried to cut down on the yapping and be more to the point in this video so let me know if you prefer this.
I forgot to add some of the transition titles.
00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Anki
01:35 - Reading
05:20 - Listening
06:55 - Stats
08:05 - Future Plans
09:06 - Outro
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Japanese Progress Update - 6 Months | Refold/Immersion Learning
Просмотров 7 тыс.4 месяца назад
I recently got back into learning using Japanese immersion with refold, MIA, TheMoeWay, AJATT methods and thought I'd post an update video for how I got started again and what I've been doing for the past 2 months. Sorry for rambling a lot, I recorded this after being awake for 30 hours. - - - RESOURCE LINKS - - - - TheMoeWay resource list learnjapanese.moe/resources/ - LearnNatively - Reading ...
Japanese Progress Update - 4 Months | Refold/Immersion Learning
Просмотров 8 тыс.Год назад
I've been learning Japanese for 4 months now and this is an update to my last learning Japanese 3 months video. ruclips.net/video/sCBLhIgBZ4U/видео.html 00:00 - Intro 00:09 - Anki 00:49 - Listening 03:01 - Reading 05:22 - Immersion Times 06:22 - Comprehension Listening 06:42 - Reading 07:00 - Grammar 07:14 - Goals 08:00 - Outro
Japanese Progress Update - 3 Months | Refold/Immersion Learning
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I've been learning Japanese for 3 months and thought I'd make a video to track my progress. 00:00 - Intro 00:22 - Why I started 01:00 - 1 - 2 Months 03:20 - Anime Immersion 05:15 - Takagi 05:46 - Moon 06:21 - Biyori 07:05 - Yuru 07:55 - Repeat 08:24 - Reading Immersion 09:42 - Light Novels 11:27 - Vocab 11:42 - Grammar 12:13 - Listening/Speaking 13:34 - Watching Anime 14:29 - Reading 15:35 - Im...
How hard would you say it was to watch boku no kokoro yabai yatsu? I absolutely love the anime and want to give it a go at one point without subtitles, but I've just started learning japanese (very basic grammar + 500 words on the core2.3k deck), and I don't want to watch something that is far out of my reach.
It'll be harder without using JP subtitles but it should be okay, it's been a while since I watched it but it wasn't too difficult at the time. I'm guessing you've already seen it in English which should help since you'll already know what's going on with the story. When you're just starting out I think pausing often and trying to understand most of what they're saying before moving on is a good way to go about it, even if episodes take 30+ minutes this way.
For listening immersion, I'd definitely recommend choosing content that is easier/more comprehensable, such as beginner/intermediate japanese podcasts. Immersion is much easier to enjoy when you understand more than 5% of what is being said, and will likely help you achieve your goals faster!
Thanks for the suggestion! I have, briefly, listened to podcasts in the past but unfortunately could never really get in to them as I found them a little stale. Maybe I'll give them another go in the future if I find one with an interesting topic.
I have been doing the exact opposite. I listen for about 5-6hr a day and really struggle to keep up on Anki and reading. I would like to start reading Manga, but I am not sure where to find it in Japanese.
to anyone who is at the starting line of learning Japanese like me, it seems the first 1-2 months of learning for most people isn't really immersing by listening or reading. most of the immersion in this early timeframe will be spent doing anki cards and passive listening. it probably does not hurt to jump right into sentence mining, but it seems much more painful without having a few hundred anki cards banked away. I've seen some videos where they say they jumped straight into watching raws or JP subbed content, but i find this hard to believe as they wont have any foundation to really comprehend anything. i think most of these claims are more rooted in passive listening where they probably just didnt understand anything at all. at best you will get a good feel for how japanese sounds at least. I guess i was feeling discouraged trying to immerse in content with raws or JP subs, but I noticed that even learning just like a new 50 words makes the immersion process more bearable. the ambiguity of immersion does and will fade very slowly as long as you keep building the vocab with anki. I'm in my first month of real immersion (not doing duolingo or genki anymore). perhaps ill come back and update this comment in a bit. anyway if you are like me, don't feel discouraged. having the listening or reading make zero sense is normal at the early stages. just focus on building the vocab and eventually it will get easier.
Really enjoyable and motivating to watch, keep it up!
Gread vid! I just came across your 3-month japanese progress update videos yesterday and binge-watched the whole series. They help me keep motivated to learn Chinese as I have been feeling exhausted keeping up the language journey these days. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing!
Oh it’s best for you to stop all that nonsense, quit anki and don’t look up words. Just watch/read 98% comprehensible content. Studies show it’s the most efficient method and provides the best results.
i don't know if i feel good for you, or bad when comparing myself
I'm trully just built different. I've been studying for more than 3 years now and my reading speed averages at 5k/h. I'm a slow reader in general and I don't even try to read faster, but still surprises me how easily people pass through 5k/h. It doesn't feel slow to me. The fastest I've ever been reading was during one of the chapters in my "The house in Fata Morgana" playthrough. The speed peaked at 8.5k/h, and I felt like I was zooming through the dialogue :).
could you recommend a first novel for someone who's studying japanese for 5-6 months but reads only manga?
星空の下、君の声だけを抱きしめる - Not too hard and an ok story, I wish I had started with this one. ぜんぶ、藍色だった。- Short and easy but the story is very boring. また、同じ夢を見ていた - Pretty popular first novel for a lot of people (including me), story is good but still nothing special. 灰原くんの強くて青春ニューゲーム - A slight step up in difficulty compared to the others but shouldn't be too much, also has multiple volumes if you enjoy the story. Your first novel will always be a bit of a challenge compared to manga but once you push past the first 5 - 10 hours it gets a lot more comfortable reading.
@@hulloh Thanks a lot for answering me!
Great video! I’m really fond these sort of videos inspiring and a great way in the future for you to track your journey! You’re video is show clear and professional. It’s a really calm, easy watch and has a lot of good info for beginners and also people who have been learning. Just one thing I found quite odd, why did you say you’ve been learning Japanese for 9 months when you had a 3 month video 16 months ago? It could be quite misleading to absolute beginners to think they could start Japanese from absolute 0 beginner and progress this much! Sorry if it sounds nit picking I just don’t understand the point of misleading how much time has been spent studying? Or is there another reason why you word it like this? Maybe it’s been 9 months of continuous good studying? Sorry if you mentioned this before in a previous video
Thanks for the comment and good question. I started learning last year to get a little more familiar with the language before a trip to Japan later in the year, I did just over 4 months of "study" before leaving for Japan (and as you can imagine, it didn't help all that much). I didn't start learning again until 5 or 6 months after returning, so in total it's been just over 9 months of study now but from when I first started it's around a year and a half. I figured it would be easier to just carry on the videos instead of removing them. I personally prefer counting hours spent over months anyway but it's easier for video titles to just say months. Hope this helped!
Hey hulloh! Thanks for the reply 😸. Yeh that’s super helpful! It’s definitely a painful feeling when you try to learn so much for a trip and end up not getting as much done before as there are so many other things to prepare for. I firmly believe the benefits of visiting these countries definitely lies within the motivation they bring to learn language or immerse in culture!! When I visited Japan it also encouraged me to get more serious! I think it makes sense to count the exact amount of time for serious studying too as if you can see that ‘wow if I really focus for 9 months I can get … done’ and that also motivates you to keep those study patterns, good point! It’s also just good to have data to see when, what, how, which is the best for you! I guess when you start isn’t important, the most important thing is consistency. Also the titles defo sound captivating adding a time frame😸 Thanks for the message and have a wonderful day! I’ll be looking forward to your next videos. がんばって!
I would really like a smaller video in a month about the experience increasing your daily hours if you think it's worth making. I'm in a similar position to you right now doing 5hrs a day but the reverse in the fact I am making myself read after doing a lot of listening last year xD Good luck on your adventure :p
What is refold is it free?
Love these randomly popping on my fyp, the most inspiring thing to kick learning into gear lol Also a question, since you're sentence mining while also immersing a lot. Do you just have a large backlog of new cards in Anki from sentence mining? I imagine you're finding more new than you're going through with that many hours of immersion daily
I usually only have around 20-30 cards backlogged. I could definitely mine 40-50 cards a day but I try to only mine high frequency words or if I've seen the word in a couple of different books.
@@hulloh Oh so you don't just mine every word you don't know?
Hi hullo. I have a question. On average, how many new words per chapter you came across when reading sousou no frieren?
It's hard to say apart from just "a lot" tbh. Sometimes I could read pages without any unknown words and other times having multiple every sentence. Definitely more than usual since it's my first real fantasy manga, but nothing too bad (apart from volume 11 that was hard for me).
Just came across your channel, this is so cool!
What about Output, Have you started doing that like speaking to yourself, or are you waiting to do it further down the learning path. I don´t really know how to train output, except for talking to myself and others. If you have any tips I would appreciate it.
I haven't done any output yet. I'm not sure when the best time to start would be, maybe in 3 - 6 months. Depending on the topic, I feel like I could understand texts from other people (not speaking yet, my listening still sucks), but responding appropriately would be the issue. There are some ways to interact with natives like using HelloTalk or Italki. VRchat also seems like a good option to get used to talking/listening in groups, although I haven't used any so can't speak from experience.
If you like Frieren, you should check out Dungeon Meshi and Witch Hat Atelier. When you read manga and light novels, do you listen to anything?
After finishing Frieren I read up until volume 8 of Witch Hat Atelier, it was pretty good! I saw Dungeon Meshi is on Netflix so I might have to try that out as well then, thanks for the recommendation. For manga I listen to music or have a stream on but for light novels it's too distracting so have to read in silence.
My 1.5 year journey has been super chill, very irregular and i am basing it based on my personal observation that i know in the ball park of 2500-3000 words and 300+ kanji. I assume its low tho i have gotten a bit better at it, my main goal atm is understanding music, games and be able to speak and read at an intermediate level.
Honestly thank you so much for this! It's very interesting to follow your journey :)
What are you using to integrate Yomitan with the program you're using to read books?
It's the ttsu reader in browser if you want to using Yomitan while reading novels
So you have been reading on average 5 hours per day for the last 3 months?
good luck with your journey!
i have been waiting for this video good for finally watch it
Thanks for sharing! I found your first immersion update video when I started in May of this year. It has been very helpful in keeping me motivated, your expriences are fairly similar to mine in terms of Anki and grammar. Although I really need to work on my reading, currently I have double the number of hours spent listening and would like to do a 50/50 split between the two. Current goal is 1600hrs of active by the start of the new year! Excited to see your progress at the end of the year!
@@thenextgengamerpc9920 Glad it helped a little with motivation! I still love watching these kinds of videos from other people too, it's interesting to see how different everyone's methods are. 1600 hours sounds like a really solid goal to aim for, especially with a 50/50 split of listening and reading, you'll be in a really good spot if so!
Nicely put together video! Stuff like this makes me wish I tracked my own studying more to throw out a progress update too! 3:27 relatable, maybe next year i'll be able to go through steins;gate at a reasonable pace... checked my anki and surprisingly my own 6 month mark has already passed a couple weeks ago, the time just flying by. Any plans to tackle the jlpt this year? Or any interest in it at all? Good luck in your studies fellow learner!
@@paragondissonance Thanks for the comment. Steins;Gate is actually the VN I'm most interested in too but maybe next year I'll try it out as well, my vocab isn't quite there yet atm. Grats on the 6 month mark, it does just fly by. And, also currently no plans for the JLPT. Maybe at the end of next year I'll think about it though!
Please post more 😭 I love your videos and am really happy that you uploaded, since I thought you’d close the channel.
@@grate77 Glad you enjoy them 😅 Hopefully in a month I'll post another short update (if it seems interesting enough) but otherwise every few months feels like the sweet spot for the updates. It's just enough time to see a difference compared to the last video, but not too much that it's boring.
Both the longer and shorter videos are interesting. Feel free to base the video length on whatever you like, it’s your video after all. Thanks for sharing
New videooo! ❤️
Bro XD... 8:24
Good video! Hope things are still going well :D
I ve been studying jp for 3 year and I can assure that if you continue like this you will reach super sayan level. Good job!
Wow! What level do you say you are on after 3 years, I've been thinking about starting back. I am currently on n4, I usually take 1hr a day on it; I watch Japanese shows and yt videos also. (I'm a junior this year btw and I do sports)
@@Livingxche I can understand pretty much every thing I usually consume level. News, anime, series, movies, books you name it. But I am still practicing since alrhought I am able to understand the content I usually consume the most, there are other topocs which I can't understand tha well. 頑張れ!
@user-vf2sq6pt7p Oh, that's really good.👍 👏 👌
@user-vf2sq6pt7p ohhh tysm for answering!
I think Detective Conan is the best cartoon for japanese immersion. Over 1100 episodes, such a wide range of topics covered, contemporary real world environment, Conan is very smart talking to professionals, but also talks to children making his vocabulary probably varied. Stories include lots of mystery and thriller elements making it relatively easy to stick with it.
Is that the anime that gets depicted often in these videos? I was looking for it's title! There's a screen of it @5:17
@@CB-ix2lh No, that's something else.
@@CB-ix2lh a quick google search told me its called "The dangers in my heart", incase ur interested
Hey guys... sometimes its hard for me to find japanese RUclips channels (native), mostly because most of them are over the top or very slow/boring. If you guys have recommendations for interesting yt channels, I would appreciate it. 🫡
You mention a lot of good resources. What’s personally worked best for me as a language learner is Immersive Translate. It’s a free browser extension that supports over 100+ languages. I use it to watch my shows and movies on Netflix, which has been a great way for me to improve my language skills. I use the plugin every day, and am quite pleased with the progress I’m making.
Podcasts maybe help you with listening a bit, because you can do simple chores or walks during listening while still being concentrated
Hard disagree, unless you pick a learners podcast (which is usually boring af) it's gonna be too difficult. I'd recommend listening to a cut audio only version of an anime you've previously mined.
I'm at 8 months mark, but I'm a heavy listener: about 900 hours of listening and less than 100 hours of reading. Hmm, maybe less than 50 hours of reading. I am trying to get more reading, but it really feels harder than listening. Your vocab increases so quickly and your anki time is so low, it's amazing! I guess it's all because of reading. Best of luck!
what are you listening to ? i feel like the opposite where i have thousands of things to read that i'm interested in but not so much to listen / watch
Could someone tell me how tf a beginner can use the core 2k/6k deck with all the new vocab and kanji
Just start with like 4-5 new cards a day and just do it. It sounds daunting but once you get the hang of it it's fun. I'm upto 8 new cards per day which puts me about 3000 words per year. I also do a few sentences for reviews it takes me about an hr every day
@@Oldbettie so just brute force? You actually find you remember all that new stuff
It's not brute force it's doing something you want to learn and immersing in it. We learn by doing, if we don't do we can't learn. I don't remember every single kanji every day but over time they add up
Illegal recommendation: Just full send hiragana only untill you get 2k or so vocab then start whatever kanji method you want. Japanese has so much front loaded difficulty so removing kanji helps a bit.
Kanji isn't even that hard. It gets easier with after like 500 vocabulary words.
the volume is a bit low but apart from that cool video
to state the obvious: your listening hours are very low. what are your thoughts on passive listening in the background? Khatzumoto says every moment you should be listening to Japanese
I have done a lot of passive listening (for most of the 200 hours of reading manga I had a stream playing in the background) but now that I'm reading novels I can't really focus with any talking or songs with lyrics in the background. I'm already spending almost all of my free time actively immersing so there's not much room left to add passive in. I also feel like I saw more improvement from 10-15 hours of active listening compared to 100+ hours of passive so it's not really a priority for me at the moment.
Good video, but I suggest you to delete a link for epub collection, this is piracy, RUclips can block you. Just link to moe way guide us enough, and people who knows how to find things will find them anyway.
goal is to reread punpun in japanese haha
If you live in the US, you could visit some Japanese dense places like Seattle's Japan town
Thank you so much! Some of these resources will come in handy :) By the way, how’d you find the clips you used in the video? Some of them were quite fitting and finding them manually would take a lot of time.
Thank you! I love these kinds of videos- so motivating!
Weren't the reviews too overwhelming while doing 100 cards of anki ?😭😭 how much reviews did u have to do everyday
ik he has to be lying because there’s no way by week one he’s doing at least 500 cards a day and then he says it only takes 30 minutes
my 250 cards takes an hour and a half 😭😭
and i’m only doing plus 10 cards a day maybe 5
@@teleotter2833 yeah lol i do 20 cards and i have like 120 reviews everyday it takes me like 20 mins lmao
I'd already "learnt" this deck a year ago which is why it didn't take long long to finish daily, I only did 100 cards a day until I started to not recognize the majority of words (after a week or so) and then eventually settled on 20 daily until I finished the deck. Of course, if I was doing 100 new cards a day I'd never seen before, on top of reviews, it would take me hours. I've kept track of all my times so far and the highest it's been was 35 minutes (first day of starting again).
what kind of manga did you read? i cant seem to find any manga i can really understand without having to look a new word every 3 minutes
I still have to look up words a lot while reading but thanks to Mokuro + Yomitan it's not too bad compared to using Jisho or another dictionary. Some easier manga are からかい上手の高木さん, レンタルおにいちゃん, ルリドラゴン and of course よつばと!
@@hulloh You should check out Dorohedoro, its so cool how the mangaka decides to use the alternate kanji writing at every possible opportunity :)
bro 100 new cards A DAY IN ANKI???
when i was really into it i did >200 new cards a day with anki with ~2000 reviews every day
well these were things he'd already seen
100 reviews, not new cards. He said it only took him around 30 minutes a day
@@antre-mk9ps How long did you keep this up and how many cards in total do you have rn
@@Hoppitot i deleted a lot of decks because my anki ended up taking 6gb of space but if i were to guess how many cards i would have with every deck i used it would be ~26k, most being mature. I have 17780 cards right now with 16529 of them mature (750 suspended). I kept up the 200 cards/day grind for about 2.5 months before i began running out of cards. nowadays i only do about 10 cards a day with around 300 reviews/day as i'm running out of words to mine in the book i'm reading. i have 370k reviews in total
i wish you best man
Does someone know where to see ”僕の心のやばいやつ“?このアニメは本当に見たいんだでも字幕付けだけで
You could try hianime, you'd probably need to use asbplayer and download jp subtitles for it though (probably from jimaku)