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This ain't hot rod magazine pal!

It was foolish to get rid of Pontiac . The Pontiac firebird was great sports car, and the sun fire was a good small car , reliable, cheap on gas , cheap and easy to fix. Bring these two cars back

I'll know I'll die completely alone on this hill, but that's the butt ugliest era of all Cadillac since tailfins were a thing. The hideous exterior "design language" was foul and interiors were downright gauche, full of squeaky plastics typical of GM. Oh, Cadillac V8's were non-negotiably unreliable.

It looks like it is on the F body platform with the Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird they all are GM

I just bought the 2004 model. I need to get accessories to improve it. Any advice or recommendations?

I call the design disaster of Arts and Science as Arts and Scientology (!). This is a total disgrace to design. It looks predented and incongruent. There is never a good angle from which to view this design and it looks really cheap - half the price of the vehicle's sticker price. It has never been successful and has never outsold 1990 in sales when the cars were at the tail end of Cadillac styling.

I am 85 years old. I have always owned GM cars. My current car I bought when new, 94 Buick Park Avenue with 3.8 engine. Good overall car. Today I would not buy a GM car. No quality for longevity. I would really have to give a lot of thought on a brand to buy. Sadly GM has made many bad decisions for the company profits only and has gotten away for caring for the customer. GM has lost future customer because poor quality. ❤

If they thru a LS in there they would of never stop making it

I bought a ,2006 brand new paid over 100k have it today with 80k miles and everyone thinks it's brand new I failed in 09 because of the housing crash and lack of cash buyers today I could get 30k 20yrs old your outlook is distorted.

Pontiac was destroyed by the low quality of the car and Olds was wrecked by the name and terrible badge engineering.

beautiful car, will be nice to see some good restomods with better motors when people start buying up the cheap ones and modding them

Problem with late model Saturn was they were no longer Saturn designed, they were just rebranded other GM models making customers ask the question why not buy the original. You ignored the point where early Saturn's has higher performing engines than the Pontiac or Chevy compact models of the day. Cars has polymer body panels which never rusted and kept their shiny finish better than traditional GM models. Gas millage competed with Japanese cars while GM and Chevy didn't come close. As for Pontiac it was GM's performance branch with several models running in 24 hours at Daytona and Le Mans actually being competitive with Porsche wining races in their class. They were more successful than the more prestigious Corvette model for years. The 2004 to 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 3800 engine was a personal favorite of mine. It was 3800 pounds so a pretty heavy body on good suspension which cornered surprisingly well. Even with a non supercharged V6 it was peppy and for drivers who were not looking to shred rear tiers the front wheel drive offered better traction and handling than the later G8 rear wheel drive. Best part was it gave over 30 mpg highway at a 60 mph cruising speed. Something unheard of for the time. Others promised but never delivered.

I wouldn’t call this car a failure. It had a much improved North Star V8! The V-series was a nice touch. But the C6 vette was just much better

Oldsmobile was the GOAT!

They should have made the v as a hard top with a manual option and only a ls, or at least a 7.5l engine, because when you look at it, it looks like it should have a large displacement engine

I am a big fan of Olds, and Pontiac, but, what they did to Saab was criminal.

Too bad GM dont know how to manufacture Money, for us, so we can buy their beautiful vehicles....

It's a beautiful car. But that North Star motor is trash.

WT¥ wooooow RUclips is reading my mind yesterday a glimpse of this car came across my mind...I was thinking about it

Pontiac- dedicated affordable fun / performance vehicles. Easy to purchase, engaging to drive, healthy parts market. With strong market research I think GM could make this work better than Scion ever could. It could be so simple…think of the decades worth of powerful engines, dedicated performance vehicle chassis’, and suspension systems GM could use / augment to price cut the market and put fun back in the hands of the consumer on a budget. Saturn- Efficient vehicles with affordable to moderate pricing. Re introducing the brand as no longer being “dent resistant” or plastic but partial EVs, EVs, and maybe even a prelude to an all electric near luxury brand for GM. I feel that could meet consumer demand without compromising their main / core brands.

One thing I’ve always hated about GM is the fact that all their brands have the same chassis that are just brand engineered for each division. Saturn originally was supposed to be its own brand and wasn’t supposed to share chassis with any other brand. Their demise started when Saturn just became rebadged models of other GM brands. There’s really no reason to buy them other than if you prefer a certain headlight shape or a slightly different taillight style. Hummer H2 and H3’s were basically Suburbans and Trailblazers with body kits, the Cobalt, The Ion and the G5 we’re basically the same car, every current SUV they make is just a few chassis with a few different appearances to make them look like a certain brand, and brands like Buick only really exist because they sold extremely well in the Chinese market. Over here they were just known as the car that drove 20mph under the speed limit with the blinker on for miles. Cadillac used to be looked at as the American Rolls Royce at one time and then over time they decided to try to compete with BMW instead by alleviating all the comforts Cadillac was known for to pursue sportiness which meant that it had a sporty suspension which was too harsh for lots of people. They really screwed themselves when they decided to make cars like the Cimarron which was a Chevy Cavalier with leather interior and the Catera, which was a Opel Omega with a Cadillac crest on the grill all to try to target younger people who couldn’t afford a Cadillac unless it’s under $30,000 so they basically cheapened their image by catering to a group that other brands GM made already were targeting. Then they started naming their cars numbers and letters instead of actual names so they became forgettable. When the Cadillac Sixteen concept was unveiled, there were people begging GM to build them even if they would be over $100,000 because to many people that was what a Cadillac should have been. They instead decided to stick to badge engineering all their vehicles and not give consumers what they really wanted. It’s sad because I liked GM growing up and I’ve always wanted to see them succeed but it’s getting harder and harder when you see the shortcuts they make to sell products that are just boring. GM used to have some of the coolest concept cars like the Oldsmobile Aerotech, the Banshee TransAm, the Blazer XT-1 and a whole bunch more. Those designs were supposed to show the direction GM was planning to go in the future and now all we have is variations of the same generic forgettable SUV shapes and a Corvette.

Agreed! Ending Pontiac was a humongous mistake. I miss my Grand am and Grand Prix. I had a 99 Saturn SL1 also got it up to 190k miles before I sold it to coworker still running just needed an alternator. Thank Obama for the bail out.

shud make a new cadi cien or ciel like the convept based on the c8

Instead of Pontiac, it should be the GMC that was axe.

pl bought escalade n benz or vette camaro n z06 also c6 n gto

these northstar are fine the older from 93 needed heads

I don't understand why Buick is even still around. They need to get rid of it as well and just focus on Chevy and GMC, save money that way. It seems though nobody wants sedans much anymore, let alone American with the imports dominating with the price and quality and gas mileage. Everyone just wants SUV's. I have my old Jeep Liberty and I'd love to own a nice sedan, preferably an old Pontiac Grand or G line.

I hate how Pontiac though only had sedans and coupes that were performance and luxury mixed with fuel economy and their other vehicles flopped. The imports that were economical were ugly though. I also hate how GM and a lot of other brands make the same vehicle and put a different name on it.

I regret ever selling my Grand Am. It was my first car and pushing 300k miles and the rockers and the underbody was rusting and I didn't want to put the time and money into it because that can get expensive and I'm not mechanically inclined. So I sold it for $850 and will forever regret it, especially seeing as how I used that money to buy a good shotgun with it. Now I can find another in halfway decent shape for a decent price anymore. Also, this was my first owned car.

You ain't kiddin with that title. Amazing how the W body started way back in 1988 and they kept improving that along with the series 2 and 3 3.8L V6. I have one of those bullet proof 3.8 pushrod V6s in a 2005 Impala SS. Other than a few simple repairs like a water pump, a few sensors, left rear wheel bearing, motor mount, that's about it after 155,000 miles. Some bolt ons, a smaller supercharger pulley and a tune, high 13s and that engine will go 300K. The 4t65e trans even went 145,000 miles before it went. Now all you can pretty much get is a crossover or a giant 4 door, 4WD truck. Cars? A couple Caddys or a vette. The Malibu was selling pretty good and what does GM do? Cancel it for 2025 and make electric vehicles? Talk about sticking your finger in the light socket over and over.

great job, looks alone looks good, but next to the SL, i would take the Mercedes..and the Lexus models were fantastic for quality and accesories..resale high too..

To me, a person couldn't afford one then, it was a failure because it was based on a Corvette. I always (then and now) felt Cadillac should be a distinct brand, sharing little to nothing with the lesser GM brands. If Cadillac is to be world class, nobody should be able to say, "It's just a [Chevrolet donor car] in a tuxedo."

I remember this was going to be the first car i'd purchase for myself after college. I sat in one, and that ruined it for me entirely.

They need to bring back the Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am.

I wish the coupe came in the 2017-2018 version with the Sport 1.6T trim

No pop up rollbars either to compete in terms of safety with German or Swedish convertibles of the era. I enjoy convertibles and won't consider one without comprehensive rollover safety features.

Those were so gorgeous. I wish they had a better run.

🔥🔥🔥 PONTIAC!!! this generation needs fun cars. And we're tired of challengers camaros and mustangs. Bring back the gto the firebird & transams

It should have the same engine as the corvette

It is a repeat of the Cadillac Allanté flop. GM did learn from the mistakes of the Allanté only to make brand new mistakes.

Bring back the Excitement division, Pontiac. I currently drive an Aztek that I named Heisenberg.

This car should have sold better but it def seemed overpriced for a GM product in 2004. That said, the overall design still works today with its crisp lines. My only visual issue is the front angle. The headlight spacing looks too wide and the tires could be a bit wider to fill out the corners. I never drove or even sat in one but the interior could be a bit more European in continuity. A few trim pieces look like afterthoughts.

I just hate that the G8 GXP’s & SS’s are soooo out of reach price wise 😂, you could literally buy a mustang that makes 5 horses over a GXP/SS for half the cost 🤦‍♂️ I understand they are somewhat rare but the gatekeeping prices gotta stop!

Too bad they dont make cars like this! Also I wonder whatever happened to that Cruiser.

I love the XLR from day one. But even today they cost to much as the Northstar needs a lot of work to keep it running. Until they are cheap enough for me to buy one and convert to a LS engine.....I'll drive my 13 CTS4 Performance Coupe.....Thx

Don't understand why this is looked at as a failure because it's not. Some people also said the same crap about the Cadillac Allante and also some classic Cadillac models from years prior. WHO CARES that GM didn't meet sales expectations. Many people fail to look at the economy during the later 2000s as the recession was looming and GM had restructured each of their divisions and the models being offered. Cadillac did do a great job just before getting restructured and losing their distinction. I think the 2000s Cadillac line up is still far better looking than what followed up until this point today. Now they all look the same!

I seriously doubt most people in the USA knew GM was even selling vehicles in China much less that they were Buicks. While in the military overseas in Vietnam, Japan, Philippines decades ago I’d never heard so much as a whisper GM was producing vehicles in China.

I had a pontiac gran prix, biggest peice of junk i ever owned.

Don't forget the Pontiac Vibe. Essentally a Toyota Corolla Wagon, an updated version would sell well today

By the time the Northstar came out in the XLR, the issues that gave it a bad rap had been resolved. There are a lot of high mileage XLRs out there that have not had any engine issues. Plenty of low mileage examples are available and a great value.