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i thought it was so funny that gray randomly went on a tangent on how everything is "woke" nowadays because he cant say slurs anymore or something and then continued as if nothing happened x3

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I love the super mutant that keep popping up lmao idk why but it made me laugh EVERY TIME

Its not about realism but about the lore established by past games. The first shitty settlement in fallout 1 shady sands is already far more developed than most settlements in fallout 3 and 4. Some fallout 4 npcs would not even bother to move the skeletons in the living room away and diamond city is not even close to any town in fallout 2. The only reason for this that Bethesda came up with is to say "yeah for some reason the east was hit worse" but every other creature and danger in the east is just copy pasted over from the west Bethesda just had a different vision for fallout but they did not bother to come up with believable world building to justify the changes and more importantly the stagnation of the fallout world. Fallout was never realistic but in not bethesda fallout it was at least mostly consistent

Now this is good content! RUclips personalities have some weird hatred for Bethesda that has made most to all content negative, we need people like you to call out that shit and explain why those people are wrong!

Fallout Reality in the real world isn't possible. In a Nuclear war, all of the Nuclear power plants will experience Meltdowns & the spent fuel pools will catch fire. This will render most of North American un-inhabitable for thousands of years. Too radioactive to live. Also the decay would be much worse after 200 years. None of the buildings would be standing.

The official Fallout Tabletop game that has an expansion set in the Commonwealth, and is set before the events of the main game. The first lines in it's description is that "the Commonwealth settles in for a long, deadly winter" and in the Commonwealth it seems winter does happen but infrequently.

11:20 ok I’m sorry but that’s not correct. While literacy declined and elites were poorer during the Dark Ages in Western Europe, the level of technological advancement only declined for about a century or two. It’s just that feudal societies weren’t politically capable of building large urban centers or infrastructure projects such as Rome due to lack of a centralized state. The more technologically advanced a society is the easier for it to bounce back because your “original” population stock can disseminate more collective information, and there’s a pretty stark difference between the U.S. not being able to build highways and fully reverting back to a predominantly agricultural economy

There is still snow but we only see it in a DND fallout game yes this is a real thing not many people talk about it but it takes place in Fallout 4 map when the Minuteman were strong per sole survivor

"The Shandification of Fallout" did a lot of damage. It was uploaded way back in like 2012 and used the question "what do they eat?" to highlight differences in world design between Fallout 3 and New Vegas. The idea wasn't that New Vegas's world was more plausible, but that you get more of a sense of how different parts of the setting relate to each other and what people do from day to day by thinking about things like "what do the people eat" and seeing how the game answers that- people grow corn in their yard, the NCR has a big farming complex etc- but the fanbase latched onto "what do they eat" not as an example of area design but as an armor-piercing question that all games in the series must answer or perish. Never mind that, in Fallout 3, the answer is part of the plot: "nobody eats much of anything, the whole region is circling the drain because the water is poisoned"

10:00 Okay to an extent, i can understand the annoyance at the game being unrealistic, i spent like 2 hours researching actual nuclear fallout and what it does to the world, only to find out it didn't at all matter to the fallout setting because fallout just said, "eh, fuck it, we'll wing it." 😂 Why was i researching for fallout? Well im gonna run a table top game set in the universe so i wanted to figure out just how much i could get away with. Turns out, quite alot man. 😂

I think its also worth mentioning that most Bethesda fallout games take place in heavily populated areas like Boston, and Washington D.C., which is literally the capital of America. And would have likely been a huge target during the Great War. Complaining about how theres been no development in these areas is a little silly, considering its a miracle that these areas are even inhabitable at all

My understanding to why the world is the way it is in Fallout is because there’s no official government. There’s people, factions & even robots who try to pretend to be but nothing is official. Because nothing is official there’s no real laws. So if some people try to rebuild & some raiders want the resources or a group like the brotherhood wants to use strong arm tactics to horde all the technology they’ll just do it. There’s real shanty towns all over the world in places where things are run in disorganized fashion. My take is that in the Fallout world it’s even harder for the people to recover is because not only are a lot of people bad some of the people aren’t even people there are hostile mutations.

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We are also assuming that in winter the farmers in far flung settlements dont haul their harvests to diamond city and exchange food for a room to hold out in over winter. A sort of seasonal work force. So the shabby shack might only be built for 3 seasons because its only meant to be used for theee seasons. (Assuming that in a oil starved world the climate hasnt been f'ed so bad that winter doesn't exist.)

the funny thing too is in the modern world alot of people dont know construction skills or survival skills which adds to the immersion as they would only know how to build basic rudimentary shacks

I’m so tired of people saying “why don’t they sweep up the rubble?! Haven’t they ever seen a trashcan?!” Like good god have you seen India? There’s rivers of trash and they haven’t had a single nuke dropped on them once

I disagree and agree with both of you. For a society to thrive it needs numbers and expertise. Yes, the wasteland has food and water but does it have the numbers and the knowledge to build itself up. That’s what made Shady sands so amazing in the Fallout world because they had a population of 30,000+ people. It also depends on whether you have to lead a nomadic or stationary life. I imagine after the bombs fell people bunkered down but mostly fled and lived like nomads for resources. Then you have to take into account whether or not any of the resources around you are good much less if you have the tools to process/collect them. My only gripe with fallout esthetic in 4 is that there are no simple log houses or mud hut type dwellings anywhere at all being made. No way to preserve their food for long term storage and small gardens are treated like large farms with enough to feed the family but also drag across the dangerous common wealth to sell. Also the supposedly established settlements have maybe one farm animal in the least. So it doesn’t feel like any rudimentary survival skills are being used. Even if you don’t have to worry about winter/snow there will be temperature shifts as the earth rotates on its axis and around the sun. The earth doesn’t stop being the earth because we dropped bombs. Not to mention those rad storms that nearly blind your character as they blow through your settlement. So living in a place that doesn’t have large exposed holes in the walls or busted windows makes no sense either. Like at least put some boards up if you are worried about the giant rad roaches and bloat flies. Also I do think that eventually people would have to upgrade their dwellings (such as in diamond city) because all that untreated wood and metal will decay in such a rainy region of the US. So the idea of it being scrapped together makes sense at first but eventually you would need to upgrade the foundation of your structures to something more permanent and less prone to decay than scrap wood. Because diamond city looks like a huge fire hazard. Plus all the garbage being around makes me think diamond city is going to experience a plague soon. I agree that you are supposed to make your settlements livable but then you should also be allowed to tear down preexisting structures. And not be stuck with certain buildings. If you have the ability to build you should be allowed the ability to tear down.

I AM SO GLAD that somebody FINALLY mentioned the fall of the CPG and how it affects the state of the commonwealth when we first wake up from the vault

I disagree with your points, but I applaud your attempt to rebutt it. So I'll subscribe. I'll leave my two points: One, Bethesda is, like, reaaaaallly bad at time management in lore. You see this in Skyrim, most glaringly in the Thieves Guild quest. Karliah has been hunted by Mercer Frey for TWENTY YEARS. Buddy, I'm twenty- five, and I find this very suspect, even discarding that Mercer is human and Karliah is an elf. The Thieves Guild, somehow, has lasted 25 years on bad luck? With no government to back it or whatever? They could have made it three and it would make far more sense. Two, and honestly, this is most dissapointing: the 200 years after the apocalypse ended and there's no lore about the Commonwealth aside from that ONE attempt to unite it. So much shit can happen in 200 years. There are empires that lasted less, but the Commonwealth is so bereft of it. Even if you have the Institute Illuminating the place, that's 200 years of jack all progress. Little industry, little government, little ... anything. I don't personally subscribe to the theory that Fallout 3 was supposed to take place earlier in the timeline, but Fallout 4 seems to pretend so. Those are my main issues.

Well I just wanna throw in, shrooms growing inside tchernobyle wich feed upon radiation (actual a true fact) even glow green/blue'ish hence why it makes perfectly sense for that "toxic radioactive glow"

So no ones gonna talk about the particular item of clothing in vault 111 huh, for those fellow cultured men who know yeah you know what im saying

Admittedly I kinda lost my marbles at the modded vault suit, it was very funny to see that

For me it's not the shabiness of the cities , it's the lack of logistical believability, and lack of scale of population. If you look at RDR2 or Witcher 3 there are way more people who have specific jobs that pertain to the function of the city's economy. Having goofy green "unrealistic" mutants is not relevant to criticisms like this imo. You make many pedantic points that miss the forest for the trees of the original points you are criticizing. You even defended the Abernathy shack from "pedantry" with a very pedantic point yourself.

Dont let creetosis see this, he'll make a 9 hour response video.

9:30 put on my literacy cap and noticed its "barracks" not "barrocs"

whole video is fake and gay

"media literacy" lmao

hell yeah

fallout is about rebuilding not always blown down

I enjoy F4 but the point he's trying to make is a larger east vs west coast thing. West coast lore is largely a rebuilt society. They're making their own industies again and the NCR have a population of around a Million with a multi-state government. Vs east coast which is in a technological culd-a-sac where nearly everything is static with shack homes and scavenging food. Though will def agree with his point that the player building a shack from pieces of metal shouldn't have as large of gaps in it

The problem is that there's a 130 year time gap between Fallout and Fallout 4, and yet there's no noticeable progress when you compare the towns of those games

well I suppose its all speculation and preference

Loyalty to the theme of your work is more important than realism. This man is destroying the leftists with actual knowledge of art.

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reality also prove that a place constantly under war and conflicts cant really rebuild totally, because even after the great war, with all the factions, its always war, especially with no gov and infrastuctures

i would argue that the most realistic Fallout has ever gotten was with Fallout Dust

14:13 GOT 'em.

3:30 what

Settlement building started as a mod, Bethesda implemented this feature at the detriment of worldbuilding, but hey its fun right? Is bethesda's motto. Now every single fallout that follows would have to be littered in under developed settlements, Super Mutants are no longer a big deal cause the attacks are so normalized to cement the settlement gameplay loop. Fallout 4's consistency relies heavily on head canon which is lame. Sanctuary could be the next Jerusalem but the people of the shanty town don't care cause whatever. You could meet the Mayor of Diamond City as the mayor of every where else and he'd treat you as some tourist. Settlement building is THE single worst thing to have been officially added to Fallout. Realistically, commonwealth should be super mutant central.

I dislike the gun designs for fallout 4 but everything else is passable atleast

In my first playthrough- the one that mirrors the choices I would actually make were I in Nate's place- I have upgraded my settlements to the point where they all live in super advanced vault tec based homes. I would have made them more like the Institute in appearance if we were given that part set in the base game. In any case, they live in homes that are weatherproof, should keep out radiation, and provide a quality of life comparable in some ways to what people living in the Institute enjoy (clean, fresh water, electricity, fresh food. a clean, warm bed, relative safety) - which makes sense given that I chose to side with the Institute and my headcanon is that they are now working with the Minutemen to improve the Commonwealth under the leadership of the Sole Survivor. I've even begun dressing my guards in Courser uniforms and giving them Institute weapons- Headcanon being that they are being trained by Coursers. I also dress up my doctors in Institute lab coats, etc. with the same kind of headcanon about them learning from Institute doctors. In my headcanon, the Institute no longer replaces people on the surface with synths, the synths, though not entirely free (they pose a danger to the Commonwealth if allowed to wander about unwatched. Just look at Libertalia), are given more rights, treated as people. Now, the Minutemen and the Institute both actively hunt down and destroy feral ghouls, dangerous supermutants, and raiders. Some raider camps are first blasted to kingdom come by artillery before bright flashes of blue light envelop the camp and gen 1 synths come out of nowhere by the dozens, shouting "by order of the Institute, you must be terminated." Sometimes even Minutemen seem to materialize out of nowhere, and there are rarely survivors. My Commonwealth is getting better all the time, and given a decade or two will have a stable civilization and government. Assuming the Brotherhood of Steel or the Enclave don't show up to try and blow it up out of spite that they're not the ones running the show. As the player, you kind of get to decide how the story of the Commonwealth ends. In my case, I chose a future of cooperation and scientific advancement. I haven't gotten all of my settlements built up yet, but currently there are hundreds of settlers across the Commonwealth living in relative comfort and safety. Some even have their own rooms- though build limits make doing that everywhere difficult. If not for those, I would have created something even better. Other people might choose different. Some choose to ignore the settlers and build nothing, or worse, become a raider and turn the Commonwealth into a slave state by siding with the gangs of Nukaworld. Welcome to roleplaying.

trying to justify the world building when it's only like this in bethesda titles is strange

I think Grey gamings issue may be caused by the "scrap" aesthetic of fallout 4, having random holes, being irregular for no reason. Shantytowns exist in real life and don't look like fallout 4.

this is a really shallow rebuttal lol, i don't really feel like typing for 2 hours to get into all the specifics, but in short, the shortcomings of the world are indeed still glaring, and you just tried to undersell the extent - however, you forget that in fallout, and in general, worlds and stories that focus on such topics (rebuilding, apocalypse), the ways people adapt are crucial to get right, as they are a big part of what is fascinating about them.

When i met the Abernathys i decided Abernathy Farm would become Abernathy Town. And this poor downtrodden family would become the local elite, the landowners, the lords of Abernathyburg etc. I found it really fun building the commonwealth and creating settlements to gave different purposes, i turned Starlight Drive in into a factory to mass produce goods like pre war clothes to the commonwealth, i then figured Fallon was best suited to own this new company. I turned Taffington Boathouse into a water company which had a direct trade line to Bunker Hill so their caravans can sell pure water to all the landlocked settlements. I designated Kingsport Lighthouse as the New Commonwealth Institute of Technology, as well as turning the mechsnist's lair into the Commonwealth Robotics Association. I also gave Nick Valentine Hangman's Alley and turned it into the new HQ of the Valentine Detective Agency. My headcannon was that they were now like the Pinkertons for the new Commonwealth Government. Spectacle Island became the Alcatraz of the Commonwealth. Imprisoning all Gunner POWs as well as raiders who survived the Raider war and the invasion of Nukaworld.

When food is hard to obtain corn _is_ useful.

"not adapted to adverse weather, which is not true". I mean.. it is true? IF there was winter, then it wouldnt be adapted for winter. It's one thing to argue there is no winter, that can be excused, but it is a factual statement to say they wouldnt do well if there was a winter, even in fallout, as lorewise general physics still behaves in a very similar manner to real life. However I am fairly sure that winter is still a thing in fallout 4. A nuclear war wouldn't stop winters, winter is due to the region's distance from the sun/angled atmosphere relative to the sun's photons. If anything a nuclear war will make earth colder due to kicked up debris, and then dust storms due to little plant life. The choice to not have winter/snow is very likely a development choice, not a narrative choice, due to how much work dynamic seasons would take. However fallout is a game, so the whole run down everything thing is just the artistic style of the series. Just like how in comic books people aren't meant to be literal cartoon looking characters in their universe, it's just the artistic style used to represent the setting.

Your whole video is a moot argument, and you are trying to justify bethesda shitting the bed as usual. In fallout 1 and 2 you see buildings and settlements that reflect the setting they are built in and would make sense in their climate. And by the way no one ever said that all settlements should look like castles, but not like a slum either since all that was built in 200 years. Just for your reference in 200 years towns in america went from having less than a thousand inhabitants to tens and sometimes hundreds thousands of inhabitants. So again your points dont make sense. Now all those dilapidated shacks would make sense in 2 cases which are 1 a very new settlement or 2 a settlement that was built by very few people. In conclusion you trying to justify the inaccuracies with thr arguments oh well its just a game, or there are no mechanics for that in thr game (winter) is just silly

Very funny and well made video. Hope to see more from you in the future Seth.🏄‍♂