While I saw you wearing gloves you really need a resperator when you are carding or working with caustic chemicals. That stuff can eat your lungs out. It is weird how chemical plating works. You have to nickel plate before the gold will stick. The case just sets everything off. Great job on the gun. You can be proud very proud. From the USA...
Great free hand work on the mill doing the extractor but cutting it in by hand with the reamer can cause a side loading of the reamer which in turn can cause an oversize out of round chamber. Think about it...
@@roddflowergunsmithing5576 I guess you are right now that I did "think about it" . The reamer only cuts moving forward. I guess the small amount of pressure generated wouldn't cause the reamer to cut into the chamber wall. I am going to try it on my next build.
Hello Mr. Flower, my name is Matteo Milani, I am an Italian gunsmith. I am interested in viewing your number 1 video entitled Building Double Rifles but I can't find it in your RUclips channel. Could you please tell me where to find it or if possible send it to me. Thank you for its time. Greetings Matteo
He got a good one because I bought my MX8 new in 2006. Very similar in looks to this one. 26,000 rounds of sporting clays using light 1 oz loads and the thumb lever had moved a tad to the left of center. I had the locking block worked on and it’s had another 10000 through it and is still tight. I thought this was very, very few rounds through a supposedly competition level shotgun to have to have the action tightened.
Mr Flower: Thank you so much for sharing. I learned much from your video and plan to watch part 3. I have a volume control on my computer so I was able to easily adjust the music to suit me. It would be helpful to learn if you were brazing or silver soldering and what you used for flux. I am anxious to learn if you have any control over whether the barrels shoot in the same place. It would also be interesting to learn what caliber? Thanks again for your great video and I hope you don't get discouraged by a few comments.
Seriously, you couldn't have edited this a little better? Watching five passes over the same length of barrel is not quite engrossing. Whatever I might have learned left the station riding a long train to boredom. Good thing your strength lies in gun making.
Not hot enough .. crucible needs to be cherry red. That is why the colors are mostly tan with not much blue. And you won't get a hard case unless you get the parts above critical temp circa 1350F before quenching. You may get some color but no hard case. And that's the main point .. hard case prevents wear and to some extent, corrosion. You may want to get finer charcoal flakes as well, keeps the air off the parts.
Final point: if you want a rifle that weighs less than 10lbs (and in this case the 375NE calls for an 8lb rifle) don't start with a 12ga! That's why he had to use such a wide rib and wedge, and heavy barrels to boot! I bet that rifle weighs 15lb! And shotgun actions won't handle the more powerful nitro cartridges, so don't even try. An unmodified shotgun action is designed to withstand 15000 psi. Rifle cartridges start around 35000 and go up to 65000. Yes, there is less back-thrust from a smaller dia ctg but even so, stick to black powder type ctgs, eg the 45-70 (32,000 psi) or. as in this case, the "mild" nitro-for-black loadings. Even the "modest" 9.3x74R is too much (around 50,000 psi) for a shotgun action, and don't go near the 375 H&H. The Brit ctgs are lower pressure but even the 450-400 is a 40,000 psi ctg.
you don't have to slather on the rusting solution, a fine wipe with a cotton ball is all it takes. slathering it on takes the black rust off. double rust good for first cycle, after that one coating and sparing, avoid runs! hand carding with de-oiled 0000 steel wool not as harsh. then you only need 6 cycles and will get a finer finish.
Lol it seems he knows exactly what he should and shouldn't do with the mix he uses. If you don't believe me watch the video of the end product. I'm a gunsmith myself but know we're near as good as this man. Who am I or you to tell him anything but thank you for letting us see your craftsmanship
That may be the case with Slow Rust Bluing but defiantly not with Express Bluing Have been doing this process for a long time and get perfect results I Express blue up to 10 sets of barrels per week I can assure you it works
Forget it, a shotgun action is not going to hold up to a 458. And in a DR, you really want a rimmed ctg. 450 3 1/4" NE is what you want. Expect to pay $10-20K for a good used one.
1 million round my ass. By just looking at the wood stock you could tell the gun has not been even used a lot, let alone abused. Not bashing Perrazzi, just saying
Sorry sir but you are away with the fairys This gun belongs to my best friend and he is a two time Olympic shooter and also 1995 world champion We have his book showing registered competition targets his book shows 1.3 million targets I sated 1 million Also I have never stated it was the original stock
No one said the gun has been abused, just used. You can’t really base round count on the condition of the wood. Stocks get replaced, refinished, etc. With that being said, this gun is used by an Olympic shooter. It is not uncommon for Olympic hopefuls to shoot 500 rounds or more a day. Though this can be difficult to comprehend for even most seasoned clay target hobbyist as cost and time prohibit this for most, the Olympics is a whole different story. This is why many US Olympic shooters are members of the US Army marksmanship unit as the shooting bill and pay check are covered by Uncle Sam.
I consulted a well known Australian Olympic Gold Medalist in trap and he had no idea what Australian Olympian could have shot this many rounds through a Perazzi. Neither he nor I am going to call someone a liar, but at the rate that was mentioned above (2000 rounds per week), the gun would have had to be shot every week for 9.6 years straight to achieve this round count. I ain't swallowing that.
Great video series! I can't find part 1. Did this start as a shotgun? Did you have to modify the firing pins and protrusion holes for centrefire cartridge primers?
He probably left it out intentionally. Yes shotguns are used but normally ones with a three point locking system for strength like European or English made doubles. Sometimes you have to bush the firing pins to prevent primers flowing back into the shotgun pin size holes. The .375 isn't that hot of a round so you might get by without doing it.
Video would have been better without that annoying music
While I saw you wearing gloves you really need a resperator when you are carding or working with caustic chemicals. That stuff can eat your lungs out. It is weird how chemical plating works. You have to nickel plate before the gold will stick. The case just sets everything off. Great job on the gun. You can be proud very proud. From the USA...
Great free hand work on the mill doing the extractor but cutting it in by hand with the reamer can cause a side loading of the reamer which in turn can cause an oversize out of round chamber. Think about it...
Never had a problem
@@roddflowergunsmithing5576 I guess you are right now that I did "think about it" . The reamer only cuts moving forward. I guess the small amount of pressure generated wouldn't cause the reamer to cut into the chamber wall. I am going to try it on my next build.
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Shoot 5 1/2 boxes per day every day for 20 years and you'll shoot a million rounds. I find it hard to believe that someone has done this.
Test drive uncle
supper gut
The lug/lump assembly was not shown, that is a hardest bit.
It was in part 1 but RUclips took part 1 down
Annoying mu-zak
I’m probably too late to this video but I was just curious. Do you build those mono blocks? Or can a guy buy them somewhere? Thanks!
This is how a double rifle should shoot.
Lovely skilled work but why on what looks like a cheap Spanish tractor?
I think you make a good double.where are you located ?
Australia
Hello Mr. Flower, my name is Matteo Milani, I am an Italian gunsmith. I am interested in viewing your number 1 video entitled Building Double Rifles but I can't find it in your RUclips channel. Could you please tell me where to find it or if possible send it to me. Thank you for its time. Greetings Matteo
RUclips removed it Said it was against there there rules
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Great job Rodd,how do they shoot.
Did Part 1 vanish from youtube? I can't find it on your channel.
Removed by RUclips sorry
That's too bad. Thanks for the content.
He got a good one because I bought my MX8 new in 2006. Very similar in looks to this one. 26,000 rounds of sporting clays using light 1 oz loads and the thumb lever had moved a tad to the left of center. I had the locking block worked on and it’s had another 10000 through it and is still tight. I thought this was very, very few rounds through a supposedly competition level shotgun to have to have the action tightened.
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Just modified ficted I Shockable like the motorcycle!
top work Rodd.
What calibre was that..🤔🤔🤔
Mag kano mag pa reper ser
Love it good job sir!!! Your a true gunsmith!
Qual é o valor de um cano pa uma espingarda. 20
Thanks for your wonderful videos of "building double rifle". I can't find the number one of theese. Could you help me ? Matteo
What solution do you use when you rust blue?
Wauw you got Some skills.
Mr Flower: Thank you so much for sharing. I learned much from your video and plan to watch part 3. I have a volume control on my computer so I was able to easily adjust the music to suit me. It would be helpful to learn if you were brazing or silver soldering and what you used for flux. I am anxious to learn if you have any control over whether the barrels shoot in the same place. It would also be interesting to learn what caliber? Thanks again for your great video and I hope you don't get discouraged by a few comments.
Seriously, you couldn't have edited this a little better? Watching five passes over the same length of barrel is not quite engrossing. Whatever I might have learned left the station riding a long train to boredom. Good thing your strength lies in gun making.
Its free
Not hot enough .. crucible needs to be cherry red. That is why the colors are mostly tan with not much blue. And you won't get a hard case unless you get the parts above critical temp circa 1350F before quenching. You may get some color but no hard case. And that's the main point .. hard case prevents wear and to some extent, corrosion. You may want to get finer charcoal flakes as well, keeps the air off the parts.
Final point: if you want a rifle that weighs less than 10lbs (and in this case the 375NE calls for an 8lb rifle) don't start with a 12ga! That's why he had to use such a wide rib and wedge, and heavy barrels to boot! I bet that rifle weighs 15lb! And shotgun actions won't handle the more powerful nitro cartridges, so don't even try. An unmodified shotgun action is designed to withstand 15000 psi. Rifle cartridges start around 35000 and go up to 65000. Yes, there is less back-thrust from a smaller dia ctg but even so, stick to black powder type ctgs, eg the 45-70 (32,000 psi) or. as in this case, the "mild" nitro-for-black loadings. Even the "modest" 9.3x74R is too much (around 50,000 psi) for a shotgun action, and don't go near the 375 H&H. The Brit ctgs are lower pressure but even the 450-400 is a 40,000 psi ctg.
True.
First of all it is not a 12g shotgun it started as a 16g (smaller action) finished gun weighs 8 lb 5 oz
for those who value their digits and eyeballs, heavy rubber gloves and goggles around boiling chemicals please!
you don't have to slather on the rusting solution, a fine wipe with a cotton ball is all it takes. slathering it on takes the black rust off. double rust good for first cycle, after that one coating and sparing, avoid runs! hand carding with de-oiled 0000 steel wool not as harsh. then you only need 6 cycles and will get a finer finish.
Lol it seems he knows exactly what he should and shouldn't do with the mix he uses. If you don't believe me watch the video of the end product. I'm a gunsmith myself but know we're near as good as this man. Who am I or you to tell him anything but thank you for letting us see your craftsmanship
That may be the case with Slow Rust Bluing but defiantly not with Express Bluing Have been doing this process for a long time and get perfect results I Express blue up to 10 sets of barrels per week I can assure you it works
Would like to know the cost of one of those double rifles in 458
Forget it, a shotgun action is not going to hold up to a 458. And in a DR, you really want a rimmed ctg. 450 3 1/4" NE is what you want. Expect to pay $10-20K for a good used one.
1 million round my ass. By just looking at the wood stock you could tell the gun has not been even used a lot, let alone abused. Not bashing Perrazzi, just saying
Sorry sir but you are away with the fairys This gun belongs to my best friend and he is a two time Olympic shooter and also 1995 world champion We have his book showing registered competition targets his book shows 1.3 million targets I sated 1 million Also I have never stated it was the original stock
No one said the gun has been abused, just used. You can’t really base round count on the condition of the wood. Stocks get replaced, refinished, etc. With that being said, this gun is used by an Olympic shooter. It is not uncommon for Olympic hopefuls to shoot 500 rounds or more a day. Though this can be difficult to comprehend for even most seasoned clay target hobbyist as cost and time prohibit this for most, the Olympics is a whole different story. This is why many US Olympic shooters are members of the US Army marksmanship unit as the shooting bill and pay check are covered by Uncle Sam.
I consulted a well known Australian Olympic Gold Medalist in trap and he had no idea what Australian Olympian could have shot this many rounds through a Perazzi. Neither he nor I am going to call someone a liar, but at the rate that was mentioned above (2000 rounds per week), the gun would have had to be shot every week for 9.6 years straight to achieve this round count. I ain't swallowing that.
I wouldn't be too thrilled with that, like the left up and out a hair, don't want it crossing inside of 100 yds.
Love it but i really wish there was some nairation on what is going go so i could follow along better.
Sorry can’t listen to that obnoxious music
Does your device not have a volume knob? Turn it anticlockwise usually does the trick.
Where is part one?
And I thought my workshop was primitive. Wow.
Wow! Very nice
Great video series! Thank you for recording and posting!!
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Son una elegancia de arma amigos elegante saludos
Kemen is very best. I had a MX8 and a High Tech and the first was very problematic.
what are you doing
I can't find the Part 1 of your Building Double Rifles series. Is it unpublished?
Great video series! I can't find part 1. Did this start as a shotgun? Did you have to modify the firing pins and protrusion holes for centrefire cartridge primers?
He probably left it out intentionally. Yes shotguns are used but normally ones with a three point locking system for strength like European or English made doubles. Sometimes you have to bush the firing pins to prevent primers flowing back into the shotgun pin size holes. The .375 isn't that hot of a round so you might get by without doing it.