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If playing free archetype both can be heavily complemented with something that deals burst damage - eg investigator/magus or maybe rogue/swashbuckler? Gunslinger with the investigator dedication would be interesting too.

Parties of 3 are my standard at this point. Every time I start a game with 4 players, we always lose one from IRL stuff. Our current party is a cleric turned champion, a rogue, and a bard/alchemist.

Gah. The football metaphor is so tortured and clumsy…

Completely unrelated thing: I'd love to know the story behind the coffee sacks behind you, specially the Café do Brasil one. XD

Now I wonder what you would do for a party of 2 or a party of 1.

Nice video, good points! P. S. Timestamps would be very welcome

Even though I swear I double-checked, it turns out that Ocean's Balm is only a single action so you can't use it to reposition an ally with your impulse junction while healing them 😔

What is the problem when you lose a fight with the enemy? Then you just retreat, hash it out and come back. I mean that's how he's done in real life on battle situations, and also in video games. Oh, I can't kill this guy right now. Okay. Well, either I can backtrack and set up my party or talk to my friends. Whatever to try another way. Or we can come back when we can kick some butt. But retraining why is that so bad? Why is that like? "No we need to kill everything we go against no matter what". Well that's not life and that's not fantasy at all.

I have a bunch of deaths in a party of 3 in the past...

Small nitpick: Ocean's Balm is a single action, so it doesn't trigger your impulse junction 😢 Which I guess is on purpose :)

Would like to point out a melee character with high mobility can also be a pretty good mid guard such as a monk or swashbuckler. Though I suppose you could classify them as a “roamer” more than anything else.

7:36 Well, The flanking rogue/skirmisher... That moves behind enemy mines. Into the thick of enemies... Might be exposed to multiple attacks, And might not have the single highest ac in party either. And won't usually have the highest HP in party either. Such Character might be hit multiple times, and might really benefit from some extra layers of defense.

I was literally wondering how a part of three would work and if you’d cover it. Perfect

there is a Dugeon Dudes playlist "everyone plays a class". I think you'd be the best to do this for pathfinder. I played a all rouges one shot in pf1e once and strongly consider it in pf2e. Your thoughts on that would be much appreciated.

4:04 It's a valid point even just in Rune properties. Try hard to avoid too much redundancy on one dmg type. Ie. Fire runes on everyone. Great, if it's all you have and it's fire or nothing. And puts everyone on the same field. And rocks against fire weak foes. But fire resistant or immune will devastate the party Power complex.

2:37 Alternate take would be having a Cantrip. For the melee Chara Ter, who would need to Draw a thrown wpn, and strike, but lacks quick draw, That will often take 2 actions anyway. Xbows take 2 actions, to fire, after the first shot if preloaded. So a 2 action cantrip, that's always on hand, and always ready in an emergency? As a bonus, if it targets a save, and ignores MAP It can combine with an attack sequence. But the 2 action cost isn't as painful as it might seem at first, when you factor in other two action strike sequences. The Flurry Monk, being a great exception, making 2 strikes for 1 action. Although, they potentially have the ability to then unload a 2 action cantrip. Food for though.

1:54 Yup. The Spear, rapier, pick, and all bows, By default all deal piercing, and might seem unique, but would all hit the same damage wall against piercing resistance or immunity. Definitely a thing to watch out for. One benefit to having versatile weapons in the build. One benefit to having at least one alternate weapon per character, which is at least partially invested, If not as Maximized. Ie. Our hammer used a hammer. Striking. Plus a damage Rune. But kept a Striking Returning Javeling for emergencies. Our Archer has a throwing hammer on belt. And a sling. For emergencies.

27:05 Again, anytime a Race Social Thauma, consider Regalia. It buffs all three Social skills at initiate. That increase at Adept. It buffs allies vs Fear. That increases at adept, to vs Mental. It also allows the Thauma to lead by example, with Expert, with a buff, and improves at Adept. Starting with Adept, Regalia grants a damage buff to allies inside the Aura. Every ally can now deal bonus damage, being near the thauma (within 15) as early as 7th level. 5th level also unlocks the 2nd implement and this is a great choice for the WEAPON implement and a returning thrown wpn. The reaction is devastating to enemies, can be performed with reach or at 10 ft range with thrown. Returning ensures you always have your weapon at hand, And will reduce action cost to engage enemies. Skill choices include Medicine for Treat Wounds, and Battle Medicine, remember even if someone else has it already, you can use yours in addition. Party of 3 gains 3 extra potions this way, party of 6, gains 6 extra potions this way. Take assurance, so that you never harm an ally in a crisis, negating all penalties. Also forgives a modest Wisdom score. Athletics, plus assurance, grants excellent options for combat maneuvers, rewards STR and allows assurance to negate penalties, Ie MAP. Two great combat skills that allow the thauma to contribute with second and 3rd actions. Regalia, is a sleeper. A subtle benefit at initiate, but. A permanent free buff to allies vs Fear within 15. A permanent buff to Thauma Social skills.

5:42 For the Diplomat Thaumaturge. Of note for the Regalia Thaumaturge. Regalia pumps out a buff Aura, which buffs allies vs Fear. It also, buffs the Thaumas Social skills. It also allows the Thauma to Lead By Example, Follow the Leader, A step better than normal. Ie. You can Lead by example, with Trained skills, rather than only expert plus. At 7th level, the Regalia Adept tier, increases the buffs, the protection, and the follow the thauma bonus. Better, it adds a damage bonus to the ally Aura buff. Devastating. You will also have a second implement of your choice. Weapon grants a powerful reaction. Which might be lacking. But there are some great choices.

We're not a party of 3, but after a partial wipe we had our kineticist, witch, and sorcerer rebuild as martial tanks (one's a summoner...with heavy armor and barbarian archetype). So I'm kind of feeling this as I try to stretch my magus build to take on the casting, save targeting, and recall knowledge roles.

Parties of 3 are more common where I live, at least for anything but D&D. So, this is very helpful.

That Bless part really stuck with me. In the Kingmaker game i play our Cleric always cast Bless first thing in combat even tho our Champion is a Marshal also giving the same bonus. I tried to talk him out of it but he seems to thing it's worth it since the areas don't overlap 50% of the time.

Why is the gunslinger "steampunk"? Guns and gunpoweder were in use in the middle ages by the 14th and 15th centuries.

Why not a Rogue Thief as a hammer? With the +4 static, +7 hit and sneak it fulfills all the requirements you had in your other video for an S tier dmg character.

For our Extinction Curse campaign, we only had two in our party of five that overlapped, our Ranger and our swashbuckler (me). But because I was more support, it worked out.

In fairness to y'all, wasp swarm is one of the most busted low level enemies in the whole system.

almost wonder if a session 0 should include some kind of feature checklist, kind of like a common character sheet for all the PCs to make sure the party is spread out

Martial damage type 'pigeon-holing' is the worst for Fighters (potentially). Other martials can always swap runes in downtime to a different proficient weapon. Some builds like ones that use the Thrower's Bandolier or Doubling Rings, can set up different weapons in combat without losing all runes. Fighters have the worst damage type selection now in the remaster now that the Mauler and Archer dedication no longer apply your highest proficiency to 2h weapons / bows. In theory you can swap to a different weapon group but in practice losing that +2 proficiency is rough when you don't have as much built in damage increases as other martials. I had a hammer based fighter back when the Warhammer, Maul, and Light Hammer were the only Hammer group weapons. We had a small stint trying to fight underwater foes and losing essentially my main class feature under water sucked. Polearm is probably the most diverse weapon group in terms of variety of different-enough weapons to choose from (even though its definitely not the biggest group). Hammer is still the smallest true weapon group with the least options (bombs and shield group notwithstanding) but there's at least Versatile P on the Earthbreaker and Hook Hammer now.

Final comment is on the battfiled control + protector tree combo. If you are fighting 4 adverseries blowing back 3&4 , locking down no.2 with a tanky martial + protector tree & everyone else dogpiling no.1 is an excelent tactic so it can work in big fights.

I'd allow Shattering Gem on the technicality it is in Gods & Magic, a book's content that is still essentialy in rotation until Divine Mysteries comes out, same goes for Guns & Gears (soon rotating out aswell), Secrets of Magic, Dark Archive and Book of the Dead content, until a remaster book overides them they stay in. Agree that all Player core and Advanced Players Guide content has essentialy rotated out at this point though.

I think it really boils down to one problem - not paying attention to the others in your party. And that was my guess from the beginning. 😁

Regarding the spear: Consider grabbing the Dueling Spear or Dancer's spear, both of which are versitile, either slashing and piercing (slashing with the spearhead) or piercing and bludgeoning (hitting with the haft). Anyway, great video, too many people don't consider this. I had a game fall apart because no one played a frontliner, and everyone refused to step up. Also, Wasp swarms are terribly underleveled. I hate them and refuse to loose them in games. I did a video on how busted they are.

As someone playing a Druid in a Season of Ghosts campaign, the amount of value we've gotten out of Nature and Survival has been astronomical. My face when you said a party of 7 didn't have Nature training...!! Amazing video with some great advice!

I immediatly guessed damage types were going to feature.

Hey, just subscribed. Using videos like this to help my PFS2 group.

The "Shifting" rune might help with that first issue 🙂

26:12 in divine mysteries they finally added third subclass for cleric. It loses spell slots for martial skills. Basically, a PF1 warpriest.

I feel like the Right Hand should be called the Anvil xD

Something worth noting about kineticist: it interacts very poorly with several other abilities. Anything that affects weapons, Strikes, or spells (most archetypes) do not function on the Kineticist since their impulses are none of these things.

Crane Style, AC 20 at lvl 1 Monk with Monastic weapons can use a Sheild so can max out at AC 21

How is alchemist not a S-tier support class? All it does is buff and debuff characters.

You kind of missed a little Magus is all about Cantrips. Often a Magus uses the few "slot" spells for support. Otherwise pretty good over view.

Monk above Rogue? Wow. Rogue is a top 3 claas for me. Monk is... not, lol. Oracle above Fighter is wild woth how much i hate how Oracle was gutted of flavor and how some of its mysteries are just yoyal garbage now, while Fighter is one of the strongest classes in the game. Interesting to see these varied viewpoints.

It sounds like you are discomfited by too many choices.

Exemplar, you have arrived to be loved, cherished, protected, by my character sheets. Incoming kobold exemplar, leshy exemplar, exemplar exemplar

For the Ikons, you can actually switch between them with a day or so of downtime. This means if you start with what you believed was a cool trio of items but then realize they have no synergy, you can just go back to the list and switch something, or perhaps start making use of something you organically picked up in the story (such as a magic item!) I already have a funny concept of a Thaumaturge and Exemplar duo where the former will give his friend random things picked up on the road and give them epic backstories he just made up, which convinces to Exemplar to try it out as a Ikon. Given the divine spark, this enables these items to live up to the hype, much to the Thaumaturge's surprise.

Did you say, first Prepared Spontaneous caster?

Thanks for mentioning the Bahn mi, I was trying to decide on lunch 😅

I’m a little surprised you seem to take the “more is less” approach when you talk about your first impression of the new classes, yet you’re a massive fan of another super modular class: the kineticist I haven’t looked at the new classes myself yet, however. I can totally see how a class with tons of options might seem like the value of each individual option is stripped away… but as long as the end result still feels potent, I guess it doesn’t matter.

Good video. I also love protector tree