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Man I’m so tired of the ring

Is this your first time seeing a meta in a TCG?

I swear i had that exact 5 uniques in one of those boxes with a different unique foil.

I had three foil uniques in a case the other day. I feel like cases are loaded or nothing most the time

I agree mago and the ring are a problem. But my issue is not thay it needs to be banned per say... more i wish players had more balls to just not play those cards and prove they can win without mago and the ring. I think taking the shame route is more fun then asking or hoping for a ban... i know how toxic that sounds so i am mostly joking, i just wont respect a win nearly as much if you have mago and the ring

I think it's completely reasonable to expect EC to communicate regularly with the community between releases. I like the idea of a large set per year + a mid-year mini set. I get it's a set a year but can we at least get confirmed release dates? Can we know when the spoiler season for new sets start? Can they tell us when the new dust store promos are coming? When is Dragon Lord releasing,? It was meant to be mid-year...fast approaching. There's only so many times they can use the 'we're a small team' excuse. Side note: I love the game and run a small community in Australia, but the silence is deafening.

Every TCG is marked by eras of top cards that often need a new set to overcome. If not, then ban may be necessary. Lets get through a set or 2 before we start banning yall. The bigger issue is the long time between sets when we all invest so much time into the game, though I don't totally mind it as much as others do. We will see how I feel after I join the next Sorcerers Summit though next month lol.

Spellslinger sorcerer with few creatures beats the version Archimago with a fire splash. If Magoo doesn’t get threshold for Divine Healing he’s smoked.

I challenge anyone saying archi is not a problem to play the top players currently online and see if your statement is still true. There isn't enough data to suggest is not a problem but it's clear as day if you play consistently with the current best players. Basically, play more sorcery :).

Where did they post the results for this?

Imo 31 of the top 32 (97%) playing Ring of Morrigan is a far greater concern (also noting that it is a card that synergises particularly well with Archimago - banning that card would hurt Archimago more than the average Avatar playing it)

I don’t see this as an issue. 7/32 = 22%. Oh well. Figure out how to beat it. Banning a card for 22% in the top 32 is ridiculous.

My biggest issue with Magoo going forward is not it's current dominance. Given the nature of his ability I think it will (or at least it really should if they care about balance) discourage EC from creating STRONG SPLASHY magic cards in the future that would be balanced for every other avatar, but OBVIOUSLY NOT for Magoo. That would on it's face, suck and ruin the fun for everyone. I think we'll have to wait for Dragonlord, see if there's a good counter in there, and hold out for Gothic as the last straw.

The only issue is peoples skills. Archi isnt the most op avatar. Sorcerer is way better. Chill

Yikes 😬

I don't have the time, but I wish some play groups would do some in-depth testing with Archie's 2nd being a tap ability...or a once per turn ability

I think one thing to help in the short term with Archimago is to make it so you can't Common Sense for Common Sense. It makes it a bit harder to get the first three spells in the bin to start the recursion value chains. Archi needs the deck thinning ASAP. If it fails to get its first Divine Healing / Earthquake in time, it can be rolled pretty quick. The other big challenge for Archimago is winning two games in an hour. The TTS League, I believe, doesn't have a time limit on games and you might only play one game/round a day, so you can take your time and make the perfect plays. In paper tournaments with shuffling, it can be a bit harder with time and mental fatigue to achieve the same consistency. For Ring, I think just change it so it can't kill on Death's Door and it will be fine.

Headsup, Alpha Box vs Alpha Box... ain't no wizard named "Archie" beating me!!!! *drops gauntlet ...ok, I haven't played in months..I dont even know what his special ability is 🤷🏼‍♂️ ....but still, I will poop on it! 💩

Who will Ban it? Not EC

My store has monthy championships. We got a trophy even that we put names on for the winners. It's a little obnoxious having to pull out the rulebook every five minutes against people who have spent down payments on Sorcery but still don't know how to play.

I like Feast for Crows to eat their problem spells. Or just grapple them with a Pudge. They can't deal with a Pudge for less than four mana. My own opponent with this deck didn't even seem to understand anything about his ability. Tried reanimating his minions with it, tried feeding his minions to it, and because he played with only half a dozen minions in the whole deck he forgot what airborne is. Remember, Archimago has to pick and choose his spells. If his Chaos Twister misses, he has to burn the rest of his cemetery to hit another one. Midrange gives him a lot of trouble, Lightning Bolt does not suffice for Unicorns.

Archie can be dealt with, you just have to alter your playstyle and sideboard certain cards. Most of Archie's power comes from standing downwind of him and allowing him to get mana advantages. Have some plans that remove cards from graveyards, mirages to replay them, lands that block projectiles, and lifegains. Archie's can lose.

The Ring!!!

In a game where there was major and consistent competitive play I'd ask for a ban. It's very clearly overpowered vs most of the Avatars. That said, I doubt EC does anything about it. It will just be a dominant player that we have to deal with when we play in events. If we're lucky the community will get bored of it and self regulate. Edit: I do think that the structure of Sorceries release cycle and design and development makes these miststeps in design a lot more likely and a lot worse to deal with. Most games you get a new set every three months and you see some ebb and flow, not at much in Sorcery. Specifically on your comment about their desire for inconsistency, It feels to me more like a conceptual desire than something they're actually designing for. At point "inconsistency" seems to just mean bigger deck size.

Would love to see comments on cards while opening too! What decks they are in and synergies. Love your channel~•

Prices on Displays has climbed over here. A little to high and I hope Knights be useful in upcoming Sets eg Undeads Price is 160€

Hell yeah Josh out here entertaining us with a box opening 💯

My friend and I split a box. play a sealed with 6 packs each. play another 6 packed sealed then combine the 12 packs and play. then pick two different elements each then get all those cards of the box. Lotsa fun.

If everything was easy to get then nothing would be special or worth anything. I know it sucks but cant make everyone

That was a polite “Sorcerers.”

Thanks, Josh!

Most cards are EXTREMELY cheap. The 36/16 is ZERO ISSUE. Go out and buy a few cards you like for 0.15-0.75 cents to make it 50/30 after you put your stamp of approval on this game as a new player. People entrenched in this game don’t play with pre-cons anyways so it shouldn’t matter for anyone but new players.

Good video, and solid card choices. I am a fan of Forge as well! Not so much during the first few turns when mana is scarce, but a bit later on, it is a great use of surplus mana to get that lance.

Its gotta be 60/40, just fill it up with playsets, like you said and add tons of draft sites

Here is one thought on this: they already have the precon deck boxes and box holder created. Using the same die-cuts and process to make the new ones lowers costs - they already have THIS version of pre-cons set up, it is just a matter of rolling out different cards and a new box picture, allowing them to keep the pricing as low as possible. As a product designed to teach people the game having a small set of cards isn't bad, and as was said - you combine two colors and it comes pretty close to a deck anyway. Keep them cheap, keep the cards inside basic but good playable ordinary/exceptional cards, and design it for a good intro to learning (teaching) the game. Push the precons as exactly that - inexpensive tools to help teach new players the game.

This turned out longer than expected, but here goes! This might just be a pessimistic view but here it is. I honestly think that they will not change the deck sizes. I think it will remain 36/16 even if we go to 60/40. And my reason for thinking so is actually a lot more realistic yet sad. I just don't think they have the manpower to make that upward change. I guess I'm just starting to realize that being a small team they can realistically only get so much done, so if they don't "need" to change it, i doubt they will. Ultimately I think you yourself a few the community members have made great suggestions but if they don't have the man power to make it happen our suggestions just become a wish list. Pessimistic but hones side here: This might sound really mean but I am being honest when I say, i think a lot of their "lack" of being able to do things for the game is half wanting the players to be involved with the game and half just not wanting to get into the weeds about certain things because they already have enough on their plate making a new set of cards and art each year. If they can't realistically host events solely by themselves? Either join convention style events or have the players do it. If they want players to make their own stories and not have to make an exact lore for the story, just have the players come up with it. if the players want a tournament ruleset? Well they are a "kitchen table" game so they don't "need" to make one, so have players come up with one when it comes to structure and rounds. As an outsider looking into the game if there are months were its radio silence, and they are working with a lot of stuff behind the scenes this is just the conclusion I am left with. That is NOT to say they are absent from any of this, they are letting Ed make his dragon storyline because its his story (something I wish they would do to make their game more immersive) and they do provide prize support for big events like Sorcery con. Simply put, they do what they can. I'm just a fan that like their product enough that I just want more, or at least hope to see community feedback make its way back to the company, or at the very very least get some good explanations as to why they went with the decisions they made. If they stick with 60/40 for a final deck size, okay, tell us why. if pre-cons stay 36/16 when deck sizes are increased, just tell us why. not hearing anything is just worrisome and sometimes makes it seem like you don't care about what is happening. In my opinion, the only place this will not work is with local game stores, they most likely come out with 1 product a year, and realistically stores cannot sell the same sole product for an entire year and keep engagement in a game. If its big and expansive like beta they could get far into the year but we are not getting a beta sized set every year. Plus there is the real hassle of distribution. In all fairness they most likely don't have the leverage with distributors because they don't product enough product to warrant their services. And for a game store to want to carry them with only 1 product coming out per year when and if they can get their product during that "hot" period of the year, it will probably sell well. But here is the real problem. Sorcery doesn't work like all the other games, they have 1 great product every year, meanwhile every other game has a host of good products every couple of months. Sorcery doesn't fit the mold here and its in a negative way for stores. Sorcery like all products can help their business and bottom line but they cannot rely on it like they would their competitors, Magic or Pokemon. Just being real here, Sorcery needs the local game store, and the local game store does not need Sorcery. Its hard for me to say that but its true. And until Sorcery can fill that "need" it will be a hard sell to stores, even if they can get product. Rant over but this, this is the worrying part. If stores don't want to carry Sorcery that is their own choice, But when you're a player who tires to get friends into your game because its amazing but you can't get your local game store onboard because they only make one product a year and you can't get your friends excited about it because you don't know when the next set is, and they can only buy 1 of the 4 products you released at market value but it is mostly made for draft play, what are you suppose to tell them? "Okay wait 6 to 9 months and then we might have the new set"? Those friends are going to find something else to do for those 6 to 9 months, and its a shame, I just don't want to have Sorcery be a great game we only play sometimes. I would hope its a great game we play all the time.

Either way is fine. Both have pros and cons.

Intro 0 out of 10 please make another tagline

60/40

interesting topic. lets hash it out. skip the first 4s of this video, and you're good

my thoughts for this is how many new avatars are we going to introduce with each new precon, or are we going to keep printing old avatars, also it would be appropriate that the decks are semi ready for play so that new players don't feel like the changes from precon to tournament play is too much, there are still a lot of great ordinary and exceptionals that could make the deck winnable in tournaments rounds, maybe not first place. I would be ok with two decks built for 60/40 ready to play against each other when Gothic is Released for a precon.

personally, i think you need precons to be official size of 50/30. Flesh and Blood was only selling Blitz decks before last year and it was the number one complaint for that community that nobody could get a starter deck that was viable in Constructed format. Then, they released Armory decks that were regulation size and viable, and BOOM it became their best-selling product because people want to buy a deck and try the game. They've even stopped selling individual Blitz decks entirely because of this revelation. I think you need a similar solution for Sorcery and it will do very well! We need more product on shelves!!!

You have a certain point at 7:30. I would say, even they are too small to be legal, they should make them legal in constructed tournament if they are unmodified.

As a starter i find it great.

I’ll be honest, i really don’t care if precons are 36/16 as i literally just keep mine sort of separate from my collection almost like its own game and if the group wants to do precon v precon we do it, or i use it as a tool for introducing people to the game. that being said if the plan is to go 60/40 then i feel a 36/16 precon is just bad for new players. even if you combine 2 you still don’t have enough cards in your atlas. i’m not expecting them to put out a full competitive ready deck, especially if they keep the price at 40(which is awesome btw) but it is not a product to buy and play at a store. it is a product for introducing you to the mechanics of the game. Almost like you aren’t buying into the game but what you’re really buying is a demo or something

Enjoyed the video. 😀 From a commercial standpoint, a precon (starter deck) of 36/16 makes a lot of sense for the company and the customer. The small number of cards can maximize affordability for new players, keep the game simple while learning the basics, and drive upsell potential for packs and boosters.

Poppycock if they do this. Three years in releasing pre-cos that aren't tournament legal is incredibly offensive. Both to their player base and any incoming players. I've had a lot of issues with how Sorcery has been run and this would be a final straw for me.

I think 36/16 makes sense because they also mentioned reprinting the beta precons (likely around the time of Dragon Lord). This would allow starter decks from both sets to match up equally. It also allows precon packaging to use similar manufacturing templates so it probably makes financial sense to keep it that way.

Nice vid! For futur videos of this type, i would recommend to show the card that is mentionned while you speak, would be great for new players.

Great vid! Love this sort of content. Can't wait for your vids on the other precons too.