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havent even watched all this yet, but holy shit do I resonate… and it’s frustrating trying to actually read through the archive they have posted online of Luhmann’s zettelkasten. Thank you for talking about this.

No hay que enamorarse de la herramienta; obsidian hay que ponerle lo menos posibles ..y no distrarrse ..ni estar buscando nuevas funciones q mágicamente van a solucionag los problemas

I have folders but no subfolders. I think that's a sweet spot

Hey Tony! Great info. Question...when I duplicate the formula you've shared for the citation key, the column doesn't update with the new format. Thoughts on what might be driving that behavior? I've restarted Zotero but still no change.

So where can I find the original source of Prof. Luhmann that shown on your video?

Here is the rephrased version of my Comment: You are too slow. Take the book, open NotebookLM, and ask it the four questions from *"How to Read a Book: The Classical Guide to Intelligent Reading"*. Record a video of NotebookLM's answers, or create a Tldraw map with the content provided by NotebookLM. Make sure the outline includes the following structure: 1. **What is the book about (classification)?** 2. **An outline of the book** (major parts, sub-parts, and sub-sub-parts in a structured hierarchy). 3. **The problems the book is trying to solve.** **Do not read the book now**-just record a video or take ShareX screenshots of NotebookLM's output and organize the content into a Tldraw map if you prefer. Personally, I like to organize the outline into a map that can be moved around and adjusted. --- ### Step 1: Preparing the Text - Go through each paragraph of the book. - Read *only* the first words or skim through it at lightning speed to determine if the paragraph stands alone or connects to others. - Take screenshots of each paragraph (or connected paragraphs). Use OCR software to extract the text from these screenshots. For each paragraph, feed the text into a large language model (AI) and ask it the following: 1. **Summarize as briefly as possible.** 2. **Rephrase the text for clarity.** 3. **What is the text arguing about?** 4. **What are the premises and conclusion in a logical structure?** 5. **What are the key points in as few words as possible?** 6. **Provide a straightforward overall explanation.** Insert this output directly below the corresponding paragraph. Repeat for each paragraph in the book. --- ### Step 2: First Reading (Preparation Review) Now that you’ve prepared the material, it’s time for your first read-through. This is an overview of the book, not an in-depth read. - **Read the overall summaries** of each paragraph instead of the full text. This will allow you to read the entire book faster while still understanding its structure and content. - Focus on speed, but not excessively-just enough to save time while retaining clarity. - Use the outline you created to stay oriented while reading. Pay special attention to chapter titles and their corresponding locations in the outline. - Read through the NotebookLM answers carefully to gain an overview of the book’s structure and arguments. Aim to finish this first reading in under 2 hours (depending on the book). Don’t take notes during this phase-if you must write something, limit it to quick comments or reactions like, *"Oh, interesting, I hadn’t thought of that."* Keep your writing fast and informal. --- ### Step 3: Second Reading (In-Depth) For the second reading, you’ll dive deeper into the book’s actual text using the prepared material. Follow this order for each paragraph: 1. Read the **overall summary** first. 2. Then read the **one-sentence summary**. 3. Finally, read the **original paragraph**. - If the original paragraph is poorly written or overly complex, switch to the **rephrased version**. - If certain sections of the rephrased text are still unclear, use an OCR tool (e.g., dpscreenOCR) to extract specific phrases or sentences. Feed these into an AI model and ask it to further rephrase them for clarity. Once you understand the paragraph, read: - **What the text is arguing about.** - **The premises and conclusion.** - **The key points.** Move on to the next paragraph, repeating this process. --- ### Step 4: Reading Mindset In this second reading, take your time. Focus on understanding and clarity rather than speed. The goal is to work through the book thoroughly and thoughtfully. - Always have a pen and paper handy to jot down thoughts or observations. - Use this reading to trigger ideas, connections, or notes. Don’t worry about structure-just let the book inspire you to write. - If you get tired or need a break, stop reading and mark your place with a comment. You can always return later. --- ### Step 5: Cross-Reading and Writing Read multiple books on the same subject in parallel. Think of each book as a tool to spark ideas and connections. The more you write, the better. When writing, follow your usual process-whether it’s Zettelkasten, free notes, or another method. Here’s my process: 1. **Take notes** during or after reading. 2. **Re-read and annotate** those notes. 3. **Edit and refine** the notes. 4. **Test the notes**-challenge them, critique them, and see if they hold up. 5. If the notes survive this process, move them to a **connection vault**. Use simple tools (e.g., Grepwin) to search for related content and connect notes. 6. Once confident, move the notes to a **storage vault**-a long-term archive for ideas that have proven valuable. --- This approach ensures that your reading is highly efficient and that your notes are clear, actionable, and well-organized. By preparing the material in advance, you transform even complex books into something easy to read, understand, and connect with other ideas.

I have downloaded the vault listed in the description however it is nothing like this tutorial, which makes it incredibly hard to follow along and understand. In this tutorial you are referencing a second brain vault however what is listed in the description is a flow vault. The structure is not the same as the tutorial, the daily notes are not the same, the logbook is not the same, even the welcome note doesn't match what you show in this video. Do I have the wrong vault or is there a more up to date tutorial?

Woaaah thanksss that cleared up so muchhh

This absolutely nails whats been bugging me about all the hype around linking and searching. Thank you!!

I see you guys try to start with less and built into more... while my approach is going for more anything more that is relevant and useful but with enough words... not too many and not too little... give it what it deserves. then I refine it and add relevant stuff. share it and receive feedback refine it and rephrase and delete and structure better. this way it makes it less and makes it more as well but with better stuff. so everything contributes to 1 idea no matter how little or long it is, the main point is make it structured and easy to read and is solid and closer to something that you know. connect it to relevant ideas or anything that is relevant. send it to the box and re-connect it with anything that is relevant in there. the only rule is to not force connection. then use the Box as your google search in terms of title or content using tools search as grepwin or cursor ai or just simply the solid obsidian sorching and sorting and visualizing or a combination of both. the ideas in the BOX help you make and understand stuff better when dealing with things like Language, life stuff, research, programing problems, memorizing things that actually matter...etc so the rule for the box is brainstroming that's all. unlike other vaults where the focus is on specefic stuff where as the box doesn't have those limitations

I need to copy and past. I need to upload and draw, I need to record and concat bits and pieces... I need to make a whiteboard. I need ai to rephrase the random stuff I write and give me arguments. I need automation scripts to help me automate the mindless empty templates the mindless specefic commenting and the way I do things ;******************blah blah****************** ;******************blah blah END****************** or ;[# _1]************************************ ;;[# _1];[# _2]************************************ ;;[# _1];[# _2]****************** END****************** ;[# _1]****************** END****************** I need symboles... that note or card no matter how perfect it is... It will be edited non stop... refined over and over and over and over... and upgraded and down graded over and over. key points inserted , arguments inserted summary of each section... removing parts making it finished idea or unfinished at anytime The only rule is that is it a 1 idea... and it is not a book full of ideas. that I leave it for when I want to make something with my zettlcasitan notes.... if you are interested in what I'm talking about check my channel I got some videos explaining the process and what I'm talkinga bout

I forced myself to stay away from 'systems' and 'frameworks' and forced myself to write a "mission" note that stated my objective. Within this note, I set out why I needed to make notes and also devised a structure and method that worked specifically for my mission. Sometimes, in our eagerness to follow a system, we lose sight of the problem that the system is trying to fix, and lose our ability to appreciate that the system's problem might not be our problem.

I use no tags, a folder for pictures,over 1300 files, just links and a home page. That’s it. Works wonderfully.

Google Keep에 노트 이미지를 올려두면 나중에 텍스트로 검색할 수 있습니다.

1:21 Does this also apply to computers? Lately I've thought to myself that I do better thinking on a computer than with a phone. I expected to get more work done with an Android than with an iPhone simply because the former is less of a walled garden and lets me do more, the way I want. In practice, the only substantial thing I ever accomplished was organizing pictures. 😅

Thank you! That's it, I feel that complicated folder structure and following the rules of "ideal" graph get me slower, and here is the right explanation.

Do you recommend any book on Zettelkasten note taking or note making? I really would like to give it a try for my psychology exams

Thanks for this great video Simplicity beats the most sophisticated and modern tool’s every time in my opinion The question I’m asking myself is do I want to learn the concept or do I want learn how to use a tool? I thought a lot about if the Zettelkasten technique can be used in exam scenarios like college or university exams Maybe there have to be some adaptations here and there

Is this going to work?

I'm so excited to see a new video. You are the only Zettlekasten RUclipsr who has such an intimate knowledge of the source - the analogue slipbox. I have been using Obsidian for years but never really understood what a Zettlekasten was or how it was supposed to work before I discovered your channel. Thank you for sharing.

I just stumbled upon this video about two weeks after I hit upon the *same idea* for reducing dependence on my iPhone and Obsidian. And like you, I transfer what I need to at the end of the day to Obsidian for archiving. Embrace the sloppiness!

Thanks

I've come back to this video again after it came to mind months later. It's super valuable. One note that came from it is "Sometimes what appears to be frictionless is adding friction another way". What an important concept in our super low-friction digital world. Connects to ideas I got from Cal Newport's book A World Without Email. Thriving in modern knowledge work I think almost *requires* understanding this. Just thought I'd share this little snippet from my own slip-box. But anyway, thank you and great job.

Problem is obsidian, how marvel it is , add too much setup friction for adhd . IMHO

4:15 I have downloaded the sample of the Flow Vault and somehow very heavy for adhd I am going through. :D

very well done!

Strange. Could not get the flow fault to test it. :(( This gave me some kind of anxiety/stress-check later moment.

I discovered this book a few years ago, and it opened my eyes to a more effective way of developing my ideas and thought leadership. Though I only committed to learning the Zettelkasten system yesterday, I quickly noticed there were many conflicting interpretations floating around online ands I'm incredibly grateful that you've cleared up these misconceptions early in my journey. Your work in explaining the system properly has helped me avoid heading down the wrong path, and I truly appreciate your efforts in making this method more accessible and clear.

Zettelkasten is idea management not knowledge management.

Hi Tony. Thank you so much for this video. Very instructive. Yet, I'd like to ask your advice on how to get through taking notes from a book I'm studying and then start building a zettelkasten (either digital or analogical). What I mean is that when I read a book there are a lot of concept and ideas; how can I manage taking notes from the book and transform them into a zettelkasten? thank you for your help. Carlo

I've seen the topic discussed before, but not in the context of linear vs. fluid emerging thought, and being able to identify both using Obsidian. Tell me if I'm understanding your thesis correctly ... Emerging thought can develop linearly and/or fluidly. Unless we can devise a way to track individual "lines" of emerging thought, a purely link-based perspective of our archive of notes will have a tendency to only convey (using tools like Obsidian's local graph view) how each note relates to a central / hub meta-topic (MOC note, etc.). Searching for a note will, likewise, not convey if a note in the search results is part of a sequential line of thought. Luhmann's method of note identification is a proven way to convey this. An index note organized by this sequencing scheme will serve as an alternative way of finding entry points for notes into your archive.

Hitting rock bottom

He was certainly one of us .

Can I have that picture? Would like to get it as a desktop wallpaper 😉

Thanks Tony, you have given me good constraints for virtual assistant I am designing

This has been really helpful, It speaks to some issues I'm starting to see with my notes and it really makes sense as a starting point to rethink my own zettelkasten method. Thank you for making the video.

So, what have you written using your own system that is verifiable? In the end, that's what matters, what do you know? what have you produced? The reason we follow Luhmann's zettelkasten method is because it was productive for him, not because it sounded like a good idea

Interesting. Im not sure if everything should be sequenced. A comparison between ideas that are better sequenced and ideas that are worse sequenced would be interesting. Im all about finding information faster. This makes the zettel numbering system make more sense. Thanks for sharing, hope you make more on this topic.

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Are digital pocket notebooks? Is writing on paper as beneficial as writing on a digital notebook?

Very well explained. I learned bunch of things , thank you

The problem with such a setup is it's not sustainable. While the notes in Obsidian in just file based, and will stay, the Zotero collections often changes or we migrate and things will be lost. I suggest using Literature note for each research paper with pdf attached to the note itself

I wonder what system would be used if he were to create it today? Did he use index cards for their particular purpose or did he use them because that's what he had at a time?

I feel like we are kindred spirits. First, I am diagnosed ADHD and I'm a fan of Lamy fountain pens. Isn't this method a little OCD?

A very clear explanation. Thanks a lot!

Just use Obsidian Custom Frames for todoist