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ZF 8 SPEED FLUID EXCHANGE UPDATE
just a quick update on how my 2014 Jeep GC is running on the Valvoline maxlife fluid. Did a change at 110k and have run the Valvoline for about 60k. Now I'm at 172k and it's time for an exchange, this video will discuss how to get it done for less than $250!
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How to SUPER FLUSH your jeeps cooling system
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HOW I COMPLETELY FLUSHED AND REPLACED COOLANT IN MY 2014 GRAND CHEROKEE 5.7L HEMI. IT TOOK ALOT MORE FLUSHES TO GET IT CLEAN THAN I THOUGHT. IMPORTANT NOTICE IN THE VIDEO I SAY THAT THE OAT COOLANT THAT CAME STOCK IS CALLED G-05. I LEARNED LATER THAT'S INCORRECT THE G-05 IS HOAT COOLANT WHICH THIS SYSTEM DOES NOT TAKE..
ZF 8 SPEED FLUID CHANGE AND OPTIONS (SPECS INCLUDED)
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This video is intended to provide help/info for people who have vehicles with zf 8 speed transmissions. While this video focuses mainly on Chrysler products, it can also be useful for other makes which use the zf transmission. While this video contains my opinion on certain things, any product related data is accurate/truthful to the best of my knowledge. My hope is the info will not only save ...
Installing new axle and leaf springs on boat trailer
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Swapping a 2000lb axle for a 3500lb axle and replacing my slipper springs on my 1981 road runner boat trailer
shelter logic 10x20 anchoring to ashphalt
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Quick video showing how I anchored/strengthened my shelter logic 10x20 garage to my driveway. The glue was surprisingly strong and held fast after only a couple hours of setting time. Tip: fully assemble the entire garage (including putting on the tarp before screwing the legs to the wood.
Painting calipers red
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How I painted my calipers red on my jeep grand cherokee
JEEP TOWING REVIEW
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MY REVIEW OF TRAILER TOWING WITH MY 2014 GRAND CHEROKEE 5.7L V8 HEMI. THE TRAILER IS AN EAGLE 13.5' X 6.5' WITHOUT TRAILER BRAKES. I HAVE TOWED A CAR ON A DOUBLE AXLE TRAILER WHICH WEIGHED IN ABOUT 5200 LBS FOR SHORT DISTANCE IN REGINA BUT WITH NO REAL HILL CLIMBS. THE JEEP IS RATED TO TOW 7400 LBS AND I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE TOWING THAT MUCH!
Lifetime fluid total BS!
@MissionaryForMexico is probably a subsidiary of Trudeau Inc...
@@jonh2408 by that comment you are a liberal!
@@MissionaryForMexico lol
Great video, great info! Back in March (2024) I just bought a 2016 Ram 1500 w/ 5.7 Hemi with ~108,800 on it. Bought it down here in N. Idaho but it spent its life up in Edmonton/Red Deer area (kinda funny cuz I spent my highschool years up in that neck of the woods... Lacombe, if you know Alberta). Just approaching 119K now. I don't know much of its previous history so I've been wanting to do this so I know where it's at. Undecided about changing pan and filter or just fluid. Might just do fluid for now and decide on the other later. Appreciate all the useful info! Eta... at about 37:45 talking about fill level, don't you just fill it to the level of the fill plug, til it begins to spill out? These transmissions don't have a dipstick to check fluid level I don't think... at least the Ram 1500s don't. So how else would you check fluid level?
@gerrymatheson4020 Ya, I've noticed that's trucks from Canada have been selling like hotcakes south of the border. You are correct about the fluid level. Just make sure the fluid temp is between 30 - 50c in order to get a proper reading. I put a link to instructions from ZF in the description (hopefully it's still working). I would also recommend if your not changing the pan then only use the ZF fluid. Other fluids are fine (like the valvoline I used), but I wouldn't mix them. Replace it all or just use lifegaurd 8
Hey why dont you just disconnect the transmission oil cooler line at the radiator and drain it from there as you're refilling the fluid at the pan so it pushes out all the old fluid instead of mixing it with the old and re draining it.
@almeal406 well the thermostatic bypass valve sits in the line between the tranny and cooler so it would stay closed (unless you could find a way to heat the fluid to 175F) so the fluid wouldn't flush any of the lines. I guess you could wait until the cooler gravity drained but that might take awhile. Plus the system only flows in 1 direction so you wouldn't get any of the fluid on the return side of the cooler
@@jonh2408 is there a way to bypass that valve? Is it on the cooler feed hose? Or built into the transmission?
@almeal406 it's in the line between the tranny and cooler (at least on mine it is)
I have a 2014 ram 1500 with 5.7 l engine. Currently it is at 216, 332 mi. For you metric people that's a lot. Everything is dying on the truck at the same time. So you could change the fluid and I did but you're going to have to buy a new rear end and new brake calipers and a new computer and a new bcm. So good luck I don't think it'll help though
@@m2useinu well you certainly got a decent life out of it. You have 346,000 km's on it.
Very detailed explanation of the different ZF fluids! I will only use the green ZF fluid when I do the transmission pan/filter, I will only use green ZF fluid! I can't believe how many people are mixing ZF fluid and red dexron type fluid!
Ya mixing 2 different fluids is not something I'd do in my vehicle
If you use those basic L shaped torx and Alan wrenches how do you torque the bolts to spec? Good and tight, eh? 😂
@macieksiemczyk1096 as I'm sure you noticed in the video it would be impossible to get a torque wrench on some of the bolts. And since the lowest setting on 90% of torque wrenches in 10ft/lbs and the spec is 7 ft/lbs it's a moot point
@@jonh2408 I have inch-lbs torque wrench that I have used for years
Can you mix the fluid Amsoil with ZF 8.. doing a trans filter you don’t get it all out
I wouldn't mix the 2 fluids purposely or equally. If you are getting a service done with a flush machine I think it's fine. Having the small remnants of old fluid ½L mix with 8L of new fluid is something I'd be comfortable with myself
listen, regardless of the price USE THE AUTHERIZED fluid. Your never going to save enough on discounts, just use the stuff ZFsays, Your tranny is not worth a couple bucks a liter in savings. first off don't listen to the internet its full of bullshit
As a Retired Ford ASE certified tech, I take very good care of my F150 3.7 ltr ZR 6 speed... I flushed the original fluid at 50k miles using Valvoline Maxlife synth ATF, not because it was cheaper, but from spec data and other user input. I have put around 50k on this fluid with absolutely 0 issues, seemed to shift and operate a little cooler and smoother in my opinion.. I change my atf in the summer time, so the thermostat bypass valve is open in the 75 degree range ,using the torque converter to pump 2-3 quarts at a time (never more than 3 using a container with quart level markings) thru the cooler line connection, topping off the transmission using a garden sprayer pump at max 3 quart intervals... This empties the torque converter with a fresh filter and fluid in the pan, pumping the converter out slowly until you begin drawing the new fluid from the pan, just my 2 cents....Also it would appear that the Valvoline has excellent anti shudder characteristics as well...
@@ROROSMACHINE thanks for the info
all manufactures fluid is zf lifeguard 8 rebranded to their packaging. FAG, Sachs, Myele and all car manufacturers use the same fluid rebranded.
There is a reason Chrysler puts a sticker on the side of their transmission that says, use ONLY Chrysler transmission fluid etc etc. I can get Amsoil signature series transmission fluid for my 8 speed, 10 quarts for $150. Chrysler trans fluid for the 8 speed is, $45 A QUART!!!! Or $450 for 10 quarts. Sorry, I’ll put Amsoil up against ANY fluid out there!! And for info, I seen a test where they compared Chrysler 8 speed fluid to Amsoil fluid for the 8 speed. They dropped the temp to negative 35 degree Fahrenheit. The Chrysler was a solid and not pour, the Amsoil had no problem!
@fishin11 ya if I was going to use another fluid it would be the amsoil. I wish I could get it as cheap as you can. Unfortunately, in Canada, it's not as easy to get.
Excellent video. Thank you for your time.
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How did you do the procedure with moving through the gears on ramps? The video's I've seen with people following the procedure include the wheels turning and getting it into 2nd gear.
You can manually select 2nd gear (at least on my GC) and the directions online from ZF don't say anything about that. I know what your referring too as I saw several people doing that as well when doing my research for the video. I'm not sure where people got those instructions from (possibly from dodge) but I followed the ones from ZF, which just says to go through all the gears P, R, N, D - 1ST & 2ND. It doesn't say anything about actually needing the wheels to turn. So I just kept foot on break and went into each gear for 10 seconds
@@jonh2408 Good to know, thanks.
Thank you for all the info!
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Soooo asking the experts. BMW 2011 X3 about to hit 200k Miles. She shifts great and I only bring her out for the winter. (winter car) Thoughts on changing the tranny fluid? tks! I"m thinking no...
I would, but do the exchange machine that doesn't "pressure" fluid through the system. And definitely change your pan and filter
@@jonh2408 awesome. Appreciate the reply. 🤙
so the 2012 bmw has the same transmission, i was also eyeing Valvoline, same trans but on different maker shouldnt be an issue?
It's been fine on my grand cherokee, still running great
Awesome video. Thanks.
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I have a 2020 Jeep Gladiator 8 speed auto. Mopar recommends to use the "Mopar 8 & 9 Speed ATF" for the Transmission fluid change and "Mopar ATF + 4" for the transfer case fluid change. Is there even a difference between the two ? Can I just use the "ATF + 4" for both the transmission and the transfer case. The "8 & 9 Speed ATF" is like $33 but the "ATF + 4" is $10. I'm pretty sure they're both the same thing basically. Thoughts ?
No they are definitely NOT the same. But you can use valvoline maxlife which is much cheaper
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. There is soooo much conflicting information out there, but you presented the facts in writing. Awesome Awesome Awesome video!!!! Thanks you.....
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If the transmission is sealed where do they place the fluid exchange machine suck fill tube?
So the term "sealed" is just wording used by the car company to discourage people from playing around with it. Essentially it just means there's no dipstick for checking fluid level. But there is still a fill and drain plug located under the car.
I think I will use the maxlife on my 2018 Jeep Latitude. I used Alternative fluid on my 2008 Dodge Dakota and it shifted smooth as ever. Great video! Retired tranny guy said always check the oil pan. If you small chunks bad if you have a gritty sludge in the pan normal.
There is an update on the document aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-11-en.pdf --- "ZF recommends an oil change after 150,000 km for its transmissions. In operating conditions with high temperatures and loads, or with unknown vehicle use in the past, it can make sense to change the transmission oil at shorter intervals."
Excellent Video. Thanks for creating, I am writing to seek your advice regarding my Jeep Grand Cherokee 2020. Currently, my vehicle has covered 83,000 kilometers, and the existing warranty is set to expire at 100,000 kilometers or in September 2025. I am considering extending the warranty to 200,000 kilometers or until September 2027. However, I am facing conflicting information from my dealership in Qatar. They assert that the transmission oil is considered “lifetime,” and any replacement would fall under my responsibility. On the other hand, I reached out to Jeep Chrysler in the United States, and they assured me that changing the transmission oil would not impact my warranty. Despite this assurance, I am aware that this verbal confirmation is not an official guarantee, especially since I will be signing a responsibility paper with my dealership regarding the transmission oil change. This situation has left me feeling uncertain about the best course of action. I kindly request your guidance on how to proceed. Should I adhere to the dealership’s stance, or can I confidently replace the transmission oil without jeopardizing my warranty? Your insights would be greatly appreciated.
also there is an update on this document (List of lubricants TE-ML )11aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-11-en.pdf "ZF recommends an oil change after 150,000 km for its transmissions. In operating conditions with high temperatures and loads, or with unknown vehicle use in the past, it can make sense to change the transmission oil at shorter intervals."
Ya thats a tough one. If you can extend your warranty to 200,000km's that's a nice option (definitely not available here in canada). If your planning on keeping your jeep long term than I would definitely do a change (especially in a hot climate like Qatar). Maybe you could do a change but use the lifetime 8 fluid so it's the same as original. That way the dealership would have no way of knowing you did it.
Que tan ,este fluido si lo puedo utilizar en una Jeep grand cherokee límited 2015??
For anyone looking for companies in the states that offer the exchange through the fill port. Some jiffy Lubes do have this machine and are willing to do it. Mine shop was aware of the process for jeeps and will do it as long as the jeep is under 100k on the transmission . Getting prices now ✌️
Nice. Jiffy Lubes are pretty common so should be easy for most people.
Great video and good advice. I took a transmission repair course at a local tech school. The removal of the pan at every servicing was stressed for examining the amount of fine metal on the magnets and pan sump. Some minor shiny specs are expected from wear of your steel clutch plates. Also a gray paste may be found as settlement which are you clutch disc fibers. Excessive material, or larger materials, or bronze flags an impending unit failure the customer should know about. I serviced my 19 BMW X3 at 50K miles with the ZF bottled fluid. Existing fluid came out almost clear with abnormal wear metals as your appeared. While someone might think I changed it early, disposing of fluid still with life left. To me I changed it at the correct time before the wear prevention properties of the fluid were depleted. This is to prevent any unnessary wear. Fluid also contains seal conditioners which keep the rubber lip seals in the clutch packs and accumulated pliable. These conditioners can be depleted before the fluid starts to darken. I did a single drain and fill which took five quarts. 10K miles later unit is still functioning as new.
Thanks for all the tips. I've really been wanting to try the amsoil ATF as it has a great reputation. But the cost is very hard to justify as it's more than the lifeguard 8.
@@jonh2408 you have found the ZF8 fluid at a great price if it is less than Amsoil. I have been an Amsoil user for thirty years.
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Thank you sir for your time its very helpful
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How did you bleed the system?
Bleed the system?... these aren't brakes, you don't need to "bleed" them.
@@jonh2408yes you do need to bleed the air out
Crazy how much information is in this video... With a little editing you could make videos professionally full time... Awesome vid
Appreciate it, thanks for watching
Does the Great Canadian Oil Change place with the transmission machine have anything special relative to what Valvoline, Midas, Jiffy Lube ,... (i.e. auto shops in the USA) have to offer? Just trying to make sure if I pay for the service I am getting a better change than what I can do by hand
Have you found any service chains in the US I’m looking myself. Thanks in advance
18:15 What you came for Fantastic video! Highly recommend anyone give this a watch when they have the time. Thank you!
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thank you for summing up all your research and share with us
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Valvoline multi vehicle max is full synthetic..just drain, measure fluid out and replace with same amount every 30k
So my 2018 300 has 60k on it, question for you? Some shops say they can just drain and fill it without changing the drain out, so 3 Quarts come out, is that ok to do just to get me to 100k, at that point I would change the pan and do the complete service
I assume your talking in miles, and ya thats better than doing nothing (which is what alot of people do). But TBH you could do that yourself with basic tools (literally a socket and the Allen key for the drain plug). Then buy the manual pump (around $10) that screws onto the top of 1 liter bottles. You could do it yourself in minutes for pretty cheap. How much is the shop gonna charge you?
Did anyone find a shop in the US that will do this fluid exchange like the on in Canada mentioned in this video? Calling around, I can't find anyone what will touch it, even if I bring them the oil.
I must admit that question surprises me. It's not often you here about a product or service you can get in Canada but not the states. Lol, usually it's the other way around!
After some calling around I found Some jiffy lubes offer this service here in the states
Why didn’t you just use tapcon straight in the Asphalt?
The asphalt wasn't like concrete. The tapcon screws could be pulled out by hand - no holding power
I know this is an older video... But im about to do this job on my 2015 Durango RT. Do you know if the PPE pan has magnets? If so how many? Thanksm
ppepower.com/en-ca/products/transmission-pan-heavy-duty-cast-aluminum-jl-jt-wrangler-850re?variant=43838501552371
It says in here that it foes have magnets, even though there not visible in pic
I don't own an 8 speed ZF but found your video to be a compelling review of the current dilemma in auto transmission service. You nailed it precisely when you stated the economic relationship totally drives what is and is not recommended for modern fluid applications. The nagging question is why have they engineered units that require such exacting precision when they have to know the average mechanic just hacks away at some of these jobs. I suspect the sealed unit labeling is to keep sloppy and untrained mechanics from doing more harm than good. Luckily modern fluids are up to the task if you don't push them too far. Thanks for sharing your detailed findings.
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I'm sorry to say this video is way too informative for me. I need to access pertinent information in a format maybe 30 minutes at best. This video, and I appreciate the work you put into it, there's way more information than I need and wish to sort through. I made it 15 minutes and the meat of the info was still not delivered. Your offering and my needs just didn't work. 😴
Ya it wound up being longer than I intended. I did do alot of research so if there's any specific info I can provide, I'm happy to help
Huge help Jon thank you. Going to be using the PPE aluminum pan on my Ram. I am in the New York area of the USA . I don't have a Great Canadian Oil Change. So I need to figure out how to flush the system if possible. I really appreciate all the data and information you gave us . I know it was quite a bit of work. God Bless you my friend , excellent 👍🏻
I'm sure there are oil change places around there that have the same exchange machine. It's hard to imagine something being available in Canada and not the US
@jonh2408 I'm going to look around, thanks again for your help Jon
I'm considering either obtaining and modifying one of those thermostatic valves to stay open constantly, or buying a bypass kit for them, then temporarily installing that device to allow the flush, then reinstalling the thermostatic valve afterwards. I know it sounds like a lot of extra work, but I'd kinda like to be able to flush out ALL the old fluid.
How much adhesive did you apply to the wood to the asphalt?
I basically made like an s pattern down wood from end to end. Then I parked my vehicle (2 side tires) on the wood, or put garbage cans filled with water on the ones I couldn't get with my car, for like 2 hours.
37:44 funny how in america everything that is soo simple and logic neds to have stickers labels :DDDDDD how dump people have to be to not know in what direction to rotate to open or close (screw/unscrew) ? :DDD or that objects in car mirror is smaller than real things.
Nonsence to buy OEM flid, oem doest make fluid anyway.
In Netherlands I bought the ZF lifeguard for 19 euros a liter, Mopar is 50 lol
Lol... wish it was like that in canada
Great video. For what's it worth, if nobody has mentioned it yet, ZF doesn't manufacture their own fluid - they build transmissions. From my research, Shell makes the fluid for ZF, which explains why Shell sells it in bulk to Audi.
So lifeguard 8 is a product of shells?
@@jonh2408 From my understanding, Shell makes it for ZF. ZF probably provided specs to Shell, and Shell developed the lubricant mix for production originally. Inasmuch, they probably also package it for the manufacturers for resale and use in their shops. This also explains why the Shell product is not being resold under their Quaker State and Pennzoil brands, in deference to ZF and auto manufacturers.
@garybittner interesting... thanks for the insight. That also coincides with the product specs being identical for lifeguard 8 and the shell ML - 12108.
Some really great info on this debated topic. Curious how that replacement machine works... seems like it would still end up just mixing like your drain and fill process does. They don't drop the pan even?
I will be going for my next change soon and will make a video at the shop. But no, they don't drop the pan. I think the reason it works so well is they use 15 liters of new fluid and the capacity of the system is around 7 liters. So they pump twice as much new fluid through as it could hold. I probably had some advantage because when I got mine done I had done 3 drain and fills already, so the fluid was already much newer/cleaner from the start.
You're wrong regarding the correct fluid at 11:00. The proprietary additive pack to the base oil which makes up lifeguard fluid is essential to the correct operation of the transmission. The additive pack is patented and any oil manufacturer not possessing a license to this patent cannot have this specific chemical additive pack - meaning with these generic 'multi vehicle' fluids will not have the correct properties to ensure the transmission operates per ZF specifications. You admit you are not a scientist so why not encourage your viewers to look at automotive professor John kelly's video series on the history of transmission fluid (RUclips channel 'weber auto'). Looking at your table comparing the base oil properties is useless and irrelevant - it is all about the chemical additive pack to the base oil. Disappointing you are spreading misinformation
Lol... do you work for lifeguard?. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? Your saying Amsoil (a billion dollar company) is openly exposing themselves to liability by making false claims their fluid is safe to run in ZF transmissions without doing testing of their own. As would all of the companies. The companies all have their own R&D branches and spend money testing as well. Not to mention the fact that many auto manufacturers claim the fluid is "good for life" despite ZF themselves recommending fluid changes. You claim the table showing the oil properties is "useless and irrelevant." Yet all the companies took the time to include the info on their packages/websites, including lifegaurd themselves. So either several multi billion dollar companies (employing experts in this field) are wasting time and money making irrelevant info available online. Or the information is more relative than you claim. And as far as the additive pack being "essential" to the correct operation, my vehicle has run just fine on the maxlife for the last 4 years, as have thousands of others evidenced by all the reports from people on forums, channels and youtube. So you might want to look up the definition of essential.
@@jonh2408 your response says it all. Science and the facts don't care whether you agree with them or not. Do you want me to prove to you the earth is round, planes work or cars are better than the horse and cart. Maybe we didn't go to the moon? The education system really does have a lot to answer for and I am sorry it has let you down
@jake6084 lol... yes, what kind of uneducated fool I am asking you to provide evidence for your claims. You didn't address any of the points in my response. Particularly, your claim that the additive pack (you claim, but can not provide any info/proof on) is "essential" for correct operation. Essential means it wouldn't work correctly without. This is incorrect, evidenced by the thousands of people who run alternate fluids. So, since you speak of education - here's a hint. Educated people don't provide sarcasm to support their claims, they provide evidence!! In my video, I provide research, available data, and evidence to back up my claims. I'm honest throughout the process, never claiming to be an expert. I (like you) don't work for the companies so don't have access to records of royalty deals, contracts, exact compound formulas, ect. But at least my claims are supported by the evidence that is available. Your claims go against peoples experiences.
@@jake6084 Dude, you need a life. You are a sad, sad man...
@@jonh2408I highly doubt you will be successful in proving that their oil caused any issues so your point is moot about liability and since you mentioned it’s a billion dollar company they have a lot more $ for lawyers. I don’t have strong opinion about either oil, but I don’t think you are correct in your assertion. Why not just use Lifeguard 8, which ZF stands by and it is not that expensive?
So regarding the viscosities are higher indexes better, are higher viscosity at higher temperatures preferred?
Well it depends on the specific type of transmission your vehicle uses and the temperatures your using it in. So water has a much lower viscosity than maple syrup. In other words it flows easier. If you heat maple syrup, it flows easier to meaning its viscosity lowers. I know the ZF transmissions use a lower viscosity fluid (maybe because if it flows easier you get better fuel economy) and run at a higher temperature than most. So to answer your question - NO higher viscosity is not preferred (as that would mean a thicker less flowable fluid) but higher temperature is. So the hotter your transmission fluid gets the lower viscosity it has, and it's designed that way for reasons (probably several) that only the engineers would know