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Especially when they put the wrench on the bolt head backwards. You should never apply pressure to the movable jaw of the wrench by pushing on the handle. Pull the handle so all of the pressure is on the fixed jaw.

Thank you for the advise, albeit you might agree this to be Monday morning quarterbacking as this comes from afar without all the detail in this abbreviated video. Needless to restate, most bolts were a lost cause in any case and simply broke off.

Yes, it now can be positively be confirmed that the diesel engine #1 was pulling her to Laws. There is no way she could have steamed into Laws. You are likely correct that someone may have burned something in the smoke box to make it appear as such. Just like as they did in 1966 for the filming of "Nevada Smith". We found remains of unburned 1960's animal cracker boxes and pieces of wood in the residue on the bottom of the smoke box. Mudring? I'll have to check with the powers who know more than I - possible a volunteer who knows and was there can add here to the comments. I will ask also and will share later what I find out.

After speaking with #9's lead engineer, the story is, we have not had the chance to look at the "mud ring". The other tubes are still in place. After going systematic about arresting the decay, a boiler test may be done to assess if at all life is left. That will tell us about the pitting issue on the boiler "floor".

@@CarsonColoradoRailway Unfortunately, I think the "floor" is going to be very pitted. If the plugs in the firebox legs have been in, and I don't recall them being out, there will be much carnage. I hope that I am wrong. It would be great to see #18, 9, and 8 all steaming together but I don't think I will ever see it. What does the bottom of the smokebox look like? Did the Espee just cut the tubes loose in the front and leave them in place? Really wish that I could get down there and put my eyes to it.

Are you asking for this channel, for the Carson Colorado Railway or for SP #9?

Currently, the goal is to arrest the decay and do not harm. The Laws volunteers' plan is: raise fund for a task first then execute the task, on to the next. So all depends on the fundraising successes and volunteer commitment. So if both are present and pushing for her - the sky is the limit. No she will not fly but who knows what the next generations are up for. Laws' lead volunteer refers to her as the space shuttle of the 19th century....

@@CarsonColoradoRailway I’m torn on seeing #9 returned to operation. While it would be cool to see a second SPNG locomotive return to steam, I feel #9 already serves a good role at Laws as a display locomotive, letting kids climb up in the cab and imagine they’re driving a train as they pull on the levers and ring the bell. Plus there’s the huge expenses to operate and maintain a steam locomotive, and it would almost certainly run on a limited schedule. Ultimately, I don’t think it’s necessarily necessary for #9 to return to steam, again as cool as it would be to see. It comes down to if the pros to do so outweigh the cons, or vice versa. That’ll be up to Laws and if they do in fact want to inherent the costs to maintain and operate a steam locomotive, in addition to all the other expenses they already have to maintain and run their museum, for the benefit of having a working steam locomotive to use for demonstrations and potential train rides. Their other current large project is extending their tracks south about a mile or so, so #9 would have some room to run. Though they do already have their Brill Car for rides, plus special visits from #18 to have steam.

Well - historic artifacts really shouldn't be treated like playground equipment. It's simply not safe for kids to climb on a rotting locomotive. And sorry to say that but that is what she was before she was pulled into the engine house. I can't tell you how often I, myself, hit my heat on the entry to #9's cab when supervising my granddaughters play on it. Quite honestly, while they loved it, I was always worried the would fall out the window when leaning out. I totally understand the desire, but she simply was not safe play equipment especially when parent let their kids run wild and unsupervised. (yes, I know what I am speaking off, am a Laws volunteer, too, and have stopped kids from climbing all over) A museum is not a playground. I know Laws was special in that aspect and lucky, very lucky. Have you visited #9 lately? Seen the crack in the smoke stack base? Waiting to fall off? just to point out one actual hazard. So while we understand the natural desire - we also want to make sure #9 will be around for another 100+ years. If she ever will steam again, we are not even close to touch that topic. Preservation is the goal right now.

@@CarsonColoradoRailway yeah they shouldn’t be climbing on the engine itself, only inside the cab. I thought Laws had put measures in place to keep kids off the engine (outside of just putting a fence around it). In Monterey, CA they had a display steam engine that kids really were allowed to climb all over like a playground (this was the 2000s), but it’s since been fenced off due to the liability hazard. So if just cosmetically restored, would #9 be put back where she was before with the display train, or is Laws thinking of something else?

As happy as we all would be to have another SP NG locomotive running, I don’t think Folks here at the D&SNG would be so welcome to bring #9 to their rails, for their past experiences with #18 have already been a nightmare.

yes, stay tuned. I talked with Ed, the producer, yesterday. I can't wait to see what he developed around Owenyo.

Thank you! Every one of you does good work, and it’s not only interesting to the casual observer but important for the entire preservation/restoration community to see it!

Scale had settled on the seat of the check valve and flushing and draining was being performed. The crew was applying generous amount of copper anti seize on all threaded components to make disassembly and prevent galling when tightening. Anti seize is used on all components subject to the heating and cooling cycle of a steam locomotive.

Absolutely, will do - It starts this Sat, 10/12/2024, at 9 am at Laws, Bishop CA. Museum opens at 10 am, visitors are welcome. The start will be in the smoke box.

Thank you very much - for the advise, encouragement and compliment. Yes, I think, I may need to butt into the planning session so I can plan better. :)

It really is!

who doesn't love cats?

most welcome - thank for watching

Thanks for the lovely note. We couldn't agree more.

Thank you :)

Yes indeed!

couldn't agree more - thanks for capturing the event

Glad you enjoyed it, even if in periods.

I should have kept the camera rolling...

Oh god! Did you guys both say that! 😄😁😃

@@kevinpenner7125 Can't make this up. Damn!

Those were the days.

It is the best! Accept no substitutes.

our pleasure, glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for letting us know.

It was very time consuming to make but so rewarding. I never get tired of watching it!

Agree, we are working on this :)

Thanks for coming

Thanks for the comment - I have come across his name in documents, I am working through to find more out about the past to preserve for the future. I am sure he is with us, watching, and having fun observing :)

I assume you knew him? Unfortunately, I did not get to meet him personally but every one who does has high praises and great stories.

Oh, do tell me more. I just drove by one of those huge open pit mines on my way from Deadwood, SD back home to the Eastern Sierra. Those are huge. To my understanding those signal (one for stop, two for forward, and three for backward) are universal railroad signals. Hence, I assume there are trains in the pit mines? I guess the coal has to be moved out somehow. Question to all out there and those outside of the US, are those signals also used in your countries?

Not sure I understand the question. Could I get more detail?

It's a Plymouth

ah - thanks

Staybolts, und ja die Uebersetzung waere Stehbolzen oder Ankerbolzen. We do plan on a video about why staybolts are necessary in the first place. Stay tuned! :)

Thanks for this note. I have to check with my brother he is in HVAC, I have not heart of Pyrano but as a chemist, this does make me curious. The Victorians did a number on us in many aspects, some good some not so good. They also used radioactive Radium water to cure may ailments. I am glad we so such only in a very controlled fashion today (nuclear medicine). In my lab at college (I am dating myself), we still used without hesitation asbestos heat wrap and heating pads ... time's a changing. To the better for all of us - let's keep the good ole time alive but with the substitutions that keep us healthier for longer ;)

they are definitely contenders, as well :)

Glad you think so!

Not only do I thinks, too, I truly appreciate you letting us know - thank you.

What a great memory - the ghost town is still standing and I am sure your grandpa have been overlooking the happenings in his museum backyard.

His name was Henry Raub

Thanks ... I bet people here will know this name.

Yup, that is correct. I am just back from visiting some other steam engine trains and those standard gauge engines can be rather intimidating - stay tuned, I'll share some footage soon.

sure thing - those steam tractors were a true help, weren't they? Do you have one?

@CarsonColoradoRailway I don't have one yet but I'm making friends with the folks of the doughty Valley steam tractor club

Thanks for visiting, sorry you missed us by just a few days. We are working on getting better access / viewing of the engine.

You're very welcome - stay tuned for more.

As I understand, that wasn't needed that time around ;)

Couldn't agree more!

yes, we do like to chew ... our food ;)

kling - kling :)

Did you see this video? ruclips.net/video/_x5HcLTSGjI/видео.html

All of the public transit rolling stock in the United States both subway and light rail is shipped this way from the location of manufacturer to the cities where the are operated. ruclips.net/video/naJFne70uCs/видео.html

@@SandBoxJohn Thanks for sharing. It is interesting that today's "rolling stock industry" isn't using the railroad to ship their new equipment, isn't it? Pardon my ignorance, what is the gauge of the subway and light rail?

@@gregorich-lauefamilyvideos5746 Standard Gauge. The primary reason why they are not shipped on their own wheels is incompatible buffer strength with common carrier railroads and the higher cost of arranging special movements on their own wheels. In the pasted some transit rolling stock was shipped loaded aboard railroad flatcars. Because of special handling costs from the railroads it is cheaper to ship using lowboy trucks..

@@SandBoxJohn Thanks - for everything there is a reason ...

lol - yes, I agree, but the track in the Owens Valley are gone except for a very short run at the Kearsage Station site, SP #18's Engine House in Independence, and Laws.

Thanks for the comment/question. Yes, as I heard, #18 was not quite able to pull the full load while being in Colorado at the Durango-Silverton Line. But she steamed well and did help while being there. Stay tuned for more historical details about this Southern Pacific Engine #18. She was built in 1911, originally for the Nevada-California-Oregon Railroad. Southern Pacific Lines acquired her in 1928. At that time #18 started working on the Mina, NV branch before being moved to work out of Keeler, CA - on the last segment of the Carson Colorado Railroad in operation after World War II. Check out a couple other videos which have some of the details - see below - and stay tuned. I am working to catch up on producing videos about the engine's and the railroad's history. ruclips.net/video/HeYt6zCBi7E/видео.html ruclips.net/video/vQvH_1MxXqg/видео.html ruclips.net/video/0K7Jj_cKZ2g/видео.html ruclips.net/video/spgzL-0ePEk/видео.html

Yes - Owens Valley is still beautiful - open, sunny, and clean air (except on windy days...) Southern Pacific's Engine 18 is at home in Independence, CA at the Eastern California Museum (155 N Grant St, Independence, CA 93526). the museum website is www.inyocounty.us/residents/things-to-do/eastern-california-museum The organization behind the rehabilitation, maintenance and operation is the Carson Colorado Railway Inc (an all volunteer non-profit) - our website is carsoncolorado.com/ - we are planning on a couple of public events in 2024 after the 5-year FRA staybolt inspection has been completed - check out this video for more info ruclips.net/video/HeYt6zCBi7E/видео.html - stay tuned and visit the website for more details. If on a visit in Independence, check with the museum staff, they may have time and show you the engine which is housed there in its dedicated engine house. Laws, where the engine was giving public rides in 2023, is just north of Bishop, CA.

Oh, all of us steam train enthusiasts would agree, it would be nice to have some more extensive track to run the engine and train. Check out this video ruclips.net/video/HeYt6zCBi7E/видео.html - it gives a couple more details. SP's #18 ran up and down the line bewteen Keeler and Laws, and was actually allocated to Keeler during its operation - not Laws. SP's engine 18 has always belonged to Independence. After all, it was Anna Kelly (Kearsage's Station Agent Grace's daughter) who wrote SP and made the donation & transfer of the engine happen - yes - to Independence in 1955 before the line was shut down in 1960 and ... Anna also pushed folks in Laws to follow suit - SP donated #9 to Laws and it has been there since 1960, a stone-cold monument ever since. SP's #18 was also first sitting behind a fence as fading display of railroad history. But then the imagination of Independence citizens was triggered and they rehabilitated the engine to made it run - SP's Engine 18 definitely belongs to Independence. FYI - Engine 18 couldn't be further away from a stone-cold monument. SP's Engine 18 is a true living, breathing, educating monument - she is alive and well, and will be steaming this year again - watch the above video and stay tuned for upcoming events. Check out carsoncolorado.com

I also would like to see the narrow gauge railroad line rebuilt from Independence to the Laws Railroad museum so that special excursions could be run from Independence to Laws. However I know that it would be too costly and not worth it to do this.

@@davidgrisez What ISN'T too costly these days That fact has ruined so many good ideas

Oh, you are not alone. It is a challenge, a big and costly challenge but then very likely in the late 1990s when the idea of making 18 steam again was born, the very same perception did exist. It is a challenge and as long as we have enthusiastic folk who want to make that happen, take the lead etc ... anything can happen