Conor Carroll
Conor Carroll
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Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 17﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴛᴛᴏᴍ ᴏꜰ Bʟᴀᴄᴋ Cᴀɴʏᴏɴ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴜɴɴɪsᴏɴ
Просмотров 140Месяц назад
Join us as we hike down the Gunnison Route in Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park! This was a memorable (but hard) hike with a huge reward down at the bottom.. the Gunnison River! The South Rim Visitors Center issues 15 permits per day for this trail, you can get your permit the day before your desired hiking day at the South Rim Visitor Center at 3:30pm (check website for updates and ch...
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 16﹕ Bʟᴀᴄᴋ Cᴀɴʏᴏɴ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴜɴɴɪsᴏɴ
Просмотров 47Месяц назад
Today was our first day at Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park and we were very impressed! We went to all the different lookout spots as well as the notorious "Painted Wall". We then got a permit we needed for our hike the following day, and then set up camp and did a hike near the campsite. All in all a great day at Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park!
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 15﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ Mᴀʀᴏᴏɴ Bᴇʟʟs ɪɴ Asᴘᴇɴ
Просмотров 40Месяц назад
Today we drove to Aspen to see and hike around Maroon Bells! This was my favorite hike of the trip (so far) and definitely a must do if you're in the Aspen area. Make sure to look into taking a shuttle if you plan on visiting because there are a few different options and we had to book it the night before,
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 14﹕ Kᴀʏᴀᴋɪɴɢ ɪɴ Gʟᴇɴᴡᴏᴏᴅ Sᴘʀɪɴɢs
Просмотров 74Месяц назад
Today we explored Glenwood Springs by kayak in the Colorado River! We also got to enjoy some natural hot springs located right on the river as well. Glenwood Springs beat my expectations! We also spent some time downtown after kayaking and I didn't get any footage but it was a cool downtown with live music and lots of good vibes! Here's the company we rented kayaks from Coloradowhitewaterraftin...
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 13﹕ Exᴘʟᴏʀɪɴɢ Vᴀɪʟ ﹠ ﹩25 Hᴏᴛ Cʜᴏᴄᴏʟᴀᴛᴇ
Просмотров 852 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 13﹕ Exᴘʟᴏʀɪɴɢ Vᴀɪʟ ﹠ ﹩25 Hᴏᴛ Cʜᴏᴄᴏʟᴀᴛᴇ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 12﹕ Bʟᴜᴇ Lᴀᴋᴇs, Mᴏᴜɴᴛᴀɪɴ Gᴏᴀᴛs, ﹠ ᴛʜᴇ Bʀᴇᴄᴋᴇɴʀɪᴅɢᴇ Tʀᴏʟʟ
Просмотров 852 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 12﹕ Bʟᴜᴇ Lᴀᴋᴇs, Mᴏᴜɴᴛᴀɪɴ Gᴏᴀᴛs, ﹠ ᴛʜᴇ Bʀᴇᴄᴋᴇɴʀɪᴅɢᴇ Tʀᴏʟʟ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 11﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ɪɴ Bʀᴇᴄᴋᴇɴʀɪᴅɢᴇ
Просмотров 902 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 11﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ɪɴ Bʀᴇᴄᴋᴇɴʀɪᴅɢᴇ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 10﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴇ Fʟᴀᴛɪʀᴏɴs ɪɴ Bᴏᴜʟᴅᴇʀ
Просмотров 623 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 10﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴇ Fʟᴀᴛɪʀᴏɴs ɪɴ Bᴏᴜʟᴅᴇʀ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 9﹕ Oɴᴇ Dᴀʏ ɪɴ Esᴛᴇs Pᴀʀᴋ
Просмотров 723 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 9﹕ Oɴᴇ Dᴀʏ ɪɴ Esᴛᴇs Pᴀʀᴋ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 8﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ᴛᴏ Sᴋʏ Pᴏɴᴅ
Просмотров 973 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 8﹕ Hɪᴋɪɴɢ ᴛᴏ Sᴋʏ Pᴏɴᴅ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 7﹕ Rᴏᴄᴋʏ Mᴏᴜɴᴛᴀɪɴ Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Просмотров 873 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 7﹕ Rᴏᴄᴋʏ Mᴏᴜɴᴛᴀɪɴ Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 6﹕ Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Sᴘʀɪɴɢs
Просмотров 583 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 6﹕ Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Sᴘʀɪɴɢs
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 5﹕ Gʀᴇᴀᴛ Sᴀɴᴅ Dᴜɴᴇs Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Просмотров 603 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 5﹕ Gʀᴇᴀᴛ Sᴀɴᴅ Dᴜɴᴇs Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 4﹕ Pᴀɢᴏsᴀ Sᴘʀɪɴɢs
Просмотров 843 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 4﹕ Pᴀɢᴏsᴀ Sᴘʀɪɴɢs
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 3﹕ Dᴜʀᴀɴɢᴏ Tʀᴀɪɴ ᴛᴏ Sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴛᴏɴ
Просмотров 963 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 3﹕ Dᴜʀᴀɴɢᴏ Tʀᴀɪɴ ᴛᴏ Sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴛᴏɴ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 2﹕ Dᴜʀᴀɴɢᴏ
Просмотров 7943 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 2﹕ Dᴜʀᴀɴɢᴏ
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 1﹕ Mᴇsᴀ Vᴇʀᴅᴇ Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Просмотров 2,3 тыс.3 месяца назад
Cᴏʟᴏʀᴀᴅᴏ Rᴏᴀᴅ Tʀɪᴘ Dᴀʏ 1﹕ Mᴇsᴀ Vᴇʀᴅᴇ Nᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ Pᴀʀᴋ
Las Grutas de Tolantongo (Full Guide) Airbnb Experience
Просмотров 3074 месяца назад
Las Grutas de Tolantongo (Full Guide) Airbnb Experience
The Strawberry Inn, Tonto Natural Bridge, & Water Wheel Falls
Просмотров 1245 месяцев назад
The Strawberry Inn, Tonto Natural Bridge, & Water Wheel Falls
Hot Air Balloon Ride over the Teotihuacán Pyramids (Time-lapse)
Просмотров 1275 месяцев назад
Hot Air Balloon Ride over the Teotihuacán Pyramids (Time-lapse)
One Day in Petrified Forest National Park
Просмотров 5235 месяцев назад
One Day in Petrified Forest National Park
White Water Rafting the Upper Salt River in Arizona
Просмотров 5116 месяцев назад
White Water Rafting the Upper Salt River in Arizona
Kayak Camping at Horseshoe Bend
Просмотров 2,5 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Kayak Camping at Horseshoe Bend
Upper vs Lower Antelope Canyon
Просмотров 6 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Upper vs Lower Antelope Canyon
Hiking Butcher Jones Trail
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Hiking Butcher Jones Trail
Hiking Little Horse Trail to Chicken Point
Просмотров 8108 месяцев назад
Hiking Little Horse Trail to Chicken Point
Exploring the Raven Caves in Sedona
Просмотров 1948 месяцев назад
Exploring the Raven Caves in Sedona
We Hiked Sedona's Hardest Trail - Bear Mountain
Просмотров 1,2 тыс.8 месяцев назад
We Hiked Sedona's Hardest Trail - Bear Mountain
Hiking to Weaver's Needle
Просмотров 2,9 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Hiking to Weaver's Needle

Комментарии

  • @harshasg7072
    @harshasg7072 День назад

    Will they allow us to take pictures and videos?

  • @redbustourguide
    @redbustourguide 2 дня назад

    Are 2 stroke outboards allowed! Great video I liked and subscribed!

  • @sirishasuthapalli5557
    @sirishasuthapalli5557 9 дней назад

    What are the peak hours to see the rays in lower canyon?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 9 дней назад

      I believe early morning around 7-10 am and afternoon around 2-4pm is the best. Double check the websites though they have more info!

  • @gottabtru1
    @gottabtru1 10 дней назад

    Lit fam

  • @gottabtru1
    @gottabtru1 10 дней назад

    Do you shoot in 4k?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 10 дней назад

      No just in 1080.. 4k files are like four times bigger. Dealing with that big of files is a huge pain, and I feel like 1080 is more than enough

    • @gottabtru1
      @gottabtru1 10 дней назад

      @conorkcarroll what kind of computer are you using for editing, and how long does it take to render and upload once you are done editing and want to post it?

  • @gottabtru1
    @gottabtru1 11 дней назад

    Solid bro

  • @tobyVinci
    @tobyVinci 14 дней назад

    thanks... you have really help

  • @austinstitzel
    @austinstitzel 24 дня назад

    I'm going to guess that you are a Sagittarius.

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 9 дней назад

      I'm not! Lol what makes you think that

    • @austinstitzel
      @austinstitzel 8 дней назад

      @conorkcarroll because you look like someone with a fall or winter birthday.

  • @HenryGothie
    @HenryGothie Месяц назад

    I`m planning this hike and I`ve done intensive research on it. Never thought I`d find a POV so close to reality. However, seeing the traffic and the people doing it, I strongly believe it`s a disaster waiting to happen. Kids should not be there and definitely more chains, specially if some hard restrictions won`t take place. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for this incredible video. I'm guessing it`s a continuous footage, so only 1 hr to the top?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 29 дней назад

      It's practically the entire way up, I'd say it's closer to an hour and a half to the top (45 mins to Scouts Lookout, another 45 to the top of Angels Landing). I missed a few parts trying to conserve GoPro battery. Have a great time when you go! You'll love it

  • @RJB
    @RJB Месяц назад

    Awesome video. Question: what type of shoes did you have on?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll Месяц назад

      Thx! I was wearing Salomon Speedcross 5 Trail Runners

  • @MARYNA_ALVAREZ
    @MARYNA_ALVAREZ Месяц назад

    Thank you!!

  • @Skull_gamez
    @Skull_gamez Месяц назад

    Cool vid also first comment

  • @bradcowboy90
    @bradcowboy90 Месяц назад

    What an adventure!

  • @nafniart
    @nafniart Месяц назад

    Nope.

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll Месяц назад

      haha you should! it was awesome

    • @jcee2259
      @jcee2259 Месяц назад

      @@conorkcarroll Nope.

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin Месяц назад

    No glovin more lovin?

  • @snowontheweb
    @snowontheweb Месяц назад

    Simply beautiful! Jealous!!

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll Месяц назад

      It really is! Was an awesome experience 😎

  • @MusicNinja12345
    @MusicNinja12345 Месяц назад

    i like the music haha

  • @RandyMurphy-kg4fu
    @RandyMurphy-kg4fu 2 месяца назад

    Looks like a fun place! Very informative video!

  • @p.2846
    @p.2846 2 месяца назад

    🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @gottabtru1
    @gottabtru1 2 месяца назад

    Sweet gondola ride!!

  • @socalairshowreview7410
    @socalairshowreview7410 2 месяца назад

    IT IS NOT IN SAGUARO NATIONAL PARK. IT LIES WITHIN TUCSON MOUNTAIN PARK. It's a nice place but now it's taken over by the party crowd. I stayed here 3 nights last week (Sept 10-13, 2024) and it was HELL. Campers in B-3 were making so much noise, and were yelling and screaming between 5 and 6am. Constantly played w their car alarm. The last 2 nights there they began playing their sterero loud enough for me to hear it, even though our campsites were about 150 yards apart. They eventually brought a dog in - or did they have friends over? Not sure. Anyways every time the coyotes would start howling, the dog would start barking and it wouldn't shut up. IT SUCKED! I think part of the problem is that there is no longer a camp host. They used to have a campground host here, who was good, and would be patrolling the campground on a regular basis. Another person showed up the first night and blasted THEIR stereo from 9pm-12am, and then left, without paying for their site. If you want peace and quiet, this is probably no longer the place to do. Have a Plan B and a Plan C. I haven't been to Picacho Peak State Park's campground lately, but that could be an option. Not much wilderness out there between Marana and Tucson, and what there is, is in the midst of heavy smuggler's territory and are no longer safe. No staff on site at all except between Jan - Mar. That needs to change. BTW, right now H Loop is closed. So is C Loop.

  • @reneeleegreco1603
    @reneeleegreco1603 2 месяца назад

    🫶🏼

  • @billmccabe6188
    @billmccabe6188 2 месяца назад

    Do they have a ban on campfires?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 2 месяца назад

      It looks like currently until Sep 30th it is restricted. But I'm only finding info on Lost Dutchman State park, but I'm assuming same rules would apply. Idk I'm having a tough time finding more info atm

  • @Cosmicsurfpro
    @Cosmicsurfpro 2 месяца назад

    agreed!!! 💯 Walk! 😂👍🏻

  • @Cosmicsurfpro
    @Cosmicsurfpro 2 месяца назад

    If your still here when the mountains start changing colors do a ski lift ride or get up there 🤙🏻

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 2 месяца назад

      Back home in AZ now 😭 but already trying to plan a ski trip for the winter!

  • @debbieedwards5267
    @debbieedwards5267 2 месяца назад

    Great video I visited there about 30years ago. I enjoyed seeing your pics. Great memories for me. Fun place thankyou

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 2 месяца назад

      Thank you Debbie! That's incredible you went there 30 years ago, maybe you can go again soon!

  • @TheJosip1000
    @TheJosip1000 2 месяца назад

    Are those the 7 cities?

  • @ExtremelyAverageMan
    @ExtremelyAverageMan 2 месяца назад

    Just be careful with any public bench/park tables especially near rivers. They become homeless beds and houses at night since the homeless problem has gotten so bad in this state.

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 2 месяца назад

      Ah true, thx. There was actually a lot of homeless ppl at this park, so you're probably spot on.

  • @RichardDibble-no4jk
    @RichardDibble-no4jk 3 месяца назад

    Id hiked it nude back in May. 12, 2018! 6am-5pm! And future June 21, 2025! Every one welcomed!

  • @Mitaken4089
    @Mitaken4089 3 месяца назад

    😮beautiful landscapes. What camera do you use? Love the quality 👌🏼

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      In this video a go pro 10, but I also have a canon M50 I use a lot as well!

    • @Mitaken4089
      @Mitaken4089 3 месяца назад

      @conorkcarroll omw to get one. Thanks a lot.

  • @KarenKinney-s1l
    @KarenKinney-s1l 3 месяца назад

    What time of year was this trip taken?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      We went in the middle of March!

  • @stevealexander5885
    @stevealexander5885 3 месяца назад

    Bigfoot sightings?

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin 3 месяца назад

    Slides with no socks should be a crime...side note Ive always wanted to do one of those mountain coaster things

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      Arrest me!! Haha yeah the mountain coaster was dope. I think there's one in northern az somewhere

  • @MusicNinja12345
    @MusicNinja12345 3 месяца назад

    Haiiiil

  • @MusicNinja12345
    @MusicNinja12345 3 месяца назад

    21 days 😮

  • @lanurse
    @lanurse 3 месяца назад

    Thanks you! I have a problem with my knees and I was wondering witch one is the better

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      No problem! You'll have a great time there 😁

  • @gottabtru1
    @gottabtru1 3 месяца назад

    Nice pic behind ya! Hi Cleo!

  • @msellick5237
    @msellick5237 3 месяца назад

    God bless

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin 3 месяца назад

    I wish I was one of those rocks...

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin 3 месяца назад

    say what you want, but that dude is a gentleman

  • @MusicNinja12345
    @MusicNinja12345 3 месяца назад

    dios tres!!!

  • @CalvinWongHKG
    @CalvinWongHKG 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for sharing😀

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      No problem! Thanks for watching

  • @MusicNinja12345
    @MusicNinja12345 3 месяца назад

    NGL some of that looked sketch lol

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin 3 месяца назад

    Raw dogging camping the night with no games or videos…alpha

  • @NotoMarlin
    @NotoMarlin 3 месяца назад

    $8…thanks a lot Biden

  • @gerardogarcia5152
    @gerardogarcia5152 3 месяца назад

    Is lower canyon claustrophobic sensation?

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      No not at all, I never felt claustrophobic once

  • @Big_Diehl
    @Big_Diehl 3 месяца назад

    My ankle hurts thinking about that...

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      Lol! Oh man my legs are feeling it today.. it was 1,800 ft elevation down, and 1,800 ft back up. Total trip being a little over 2 miles... Aka it was very steep 😆

  • @rvtech101
    @rvtech101 3 месяца назад

    Been hiking and backpacking the Sups since the 80s. Longest trip we took is came in at Fremont Saddle and came out at Flatiron almost a week later. There is a hike for everyone in the Superstitions, from short and easy like Hieroglyphics trail to more difficult like Ridgeline or Battleship. Miles of trails, old ranches , old mines, caves and Indian ruins, springs and seasonal streams make sure there is something for everyone. Thanks for sharing your experience!

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      That's awesome! It's an incredible area for sure and we have a lot more exploring out there to do.. more backpacking videos coming in the future. Thanks for watching!

    • @rvtech101
      @rvtech101 3 месяца назад

      @@conorkcarroll Awesome, will be looking forward to them! Bit of advice for the Superstitions, never ever underestimate the desert. Always ensure you have enough water, I could never stress that enough. Be a Boyscout, be prepared! Sounds like common sense but, you would be surprised. Best piece of advice, don’t always stick to the main trail. We have discovered so many amazing places just exploring. As an avid caver we have found dozens and dozens of mines in the area, if you are prepared and careful, they can be a lot of fun. We have also found quite a few caves, some pretty extensive. Most of those are not in any records or information available to us. It’s a beautiful place to explore maybe 10 months out of the year, otherwise head north!

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      @@rvtech101 thanks for the info! Next time I head out there maybe I'll ask you for recommendations for a good backpacking route.. I know there's so much out there it's probably hard to choose lol.

  • @judyclark8653
    @judyclark8653 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for being quiet where the owls were - a lot of people either didn’t see the 2 signs that were in your face or couldn’t read or were narcicists that just couldn’t stop talking

    • @conorkcarroll
      @conorkcarroll 3 месяца назад

      My pleasure, gotta respect the owls!!

    • @Apetetrek
      @Apetetrek 2 месяца назад

      humans are also entitled to be where the owls nest,tired of alll this save the enviroment stuff,the landscape is in constant flux.hence the terrain being so eroded and wildlife comes and goes.but they manage to live there a lot easier than humans can,and if noise pisses them off they move,people who live in noisy citys cant do the same.

    • @judyclark8653
      @judyclark8653 2 месяца назад

      Such a hardship for you to be quiet for 100 yards …dont imagine you heard the spectacular canyon wren calls then…your loss.