This was really well formulated and presented. Thanks for the effort you clearly put into it. When come to suspension of disbelief I have always liked the quote (paraphrasing) - "You can make your audience believe the impossible, but not the improbable. I will accept that you hero was born with the ability to create fire from her fingertips, I will not accept your villain dropping dead from a heart attack just as he is about to win."
The Almighty Algorithm™ decided to reveal the existence of your channel to me a couple of days ago and I've only watched a few of your videos but every single one was not only interesting but was about a question you seem to have analyzed and thought about a lot. Mad respect! This one is no exception. Funnily enough, I don't have much of an issue with that chased-in-heels-by-dinosaur scene but as a dude I only once wore high heels in a silly game years ago, so while I have a tiny notion about walking/running in heels, I by no means know what is realistic for someone who is used to wear heels on a regular basis. Which beautifully backs up your argument, I think, that we have more trouble accepting deviations from lived reality: I can suspend disbelief easier exactly because wearing / running in heels is not a lived reality for me.
Very good video. I agree that anything I read/watch can be set in almost any world with any rules and I can suspend disbelief as long as that world, and especially it’s characters actions, represent internally consistency. As soon as a character breaks that (no one, in any world, would run for their life from a T Rex whilst wearing heels) it breaks the immersion.
Totally agree. And I think the rules differ for other mediums. Some people have been talking about cartoons, and I think the suspension of disbelief is a MUCH lower bar for cartoons than live-action.
Good video. It is for these exact reasons why a lot of people don't like Disney Star Wars. They are changing a lot of lore that's been established for the past 30 or 40 years all the while trying to say it's better their way.
I think Sando refers to that in his writing lectures in slightly different context... You heard him talk about internal logic and external logic? Internal logic being the logic of the story, like having dinosaurs in a city. External logic being the logic of our world, and elements that are borrowed from it to the story itself, like running on heels. So, having a dinosaur running around the city is fine with the internal logic of the world, because it's a world where dinosaurs exist, but the external logic is broken by the heels thing. slightly different terminology, but similar context, I think. Also shout out to Sando, storytelling genius :)
Ooo I haven't heard that lecture! I mostly remember his hard/soft magic essay and some writing excuses lectures, but that sounds like a super good one and boils down my point very well haha
A side note: I did my philosophy seminar about "the emotions & fiction paradox", it's so prevelant that we mostly never consider how wierd it is to care about fictional things...
Wow what a cool topic! Any wisdom to impart about why we care so much? That would honestly make another fascinating video...maybe I'll have to add that to my topic list
@@Bookborn let me try to dig up the theories I've read... there's one about fear from a horror movie vs. In real life - it's not the same volume, but still provides us with catharsis. Then there's when we care for a news story about an old dog, when we discover it was fake - we get annoyed when we see that we cared about a dog that didn't exist, but we willingly care about an old dog in a movie we know is fake all along. And the last theory which I like is that we have to be able to have feelings about non-real things, bc we use it to imagine our reaction to future scenarios in order to decide what to do (like where to live or who to marry...) it's a good topic, I very much enjoyed writing about it!
An example of the abuse of suspension of disbelief that comes immediately to mind is the way the Force has mutated across the 3 Star Wars trilogies. In the original trilogy the Force was presented in a slightly wishy-washy way, but with enough consistency to give us a general sense of what could and what couldn't be done by a Jedi. The Phanom Menace trilogy started to abuse these parameters with the battles between Palpatine and Yoda and by the time we get to the final trilogy they have just totally blown the Force into deus ex machina territory with Leia force-flying (with no training) and Rey being insanely powerful and Luke doing a Force ghost that looks like he's really there. It's just an abuse of the audience that ratchets closer towards travesty/comedy each time.
That was one of the most interesting videos I've watched! I've also pondered over the psychological reasons humans tend to love Fantasy so much, but didn't really think deeper about suspension of disbelief, which my very factual husband has a much harder time to do than dreamer me. 😅 I recently DNFed Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay and what you talked about resonated so much with me because I couldn't suspend my disbelief when it came to the ridiculous sex scenes (all female characters love biting and oh that virgin character could be f*cked so easily in that scene where I previously believed she was experienced) and then the introduction of a very unnecessary incest plotline (which again felt so over the top). Those instances really bothered me because it was so unrealistic and unconvincing. I thought at first that that first woman biting that man might be a vampire, I tried making sense of that scene, I thought it might be more important piece of information than it was, and felt very underwhelmed when I realized it was mainly the author's own sexual fantasy happening over and over again. 💀 Like I said, my husband has a harder time with magic, for example, because he's been exposed to very dark stuff in his life and knows magic isn't innocent in our real world. I'm thinking, for example, about a documentary I've watched about albinos - even children - in some African countries who are targeted by what sounds like satanists who sell their body parts for a lot of money to rich & powerful people practicing witchcraft in their society (it sounds crazy, but these things truly happen). So, like you said, our life experiences will have a direct impact on how we'll read books and that's why reading is so subjective, especially if you combine that with personal tastes.
I feel like that's such a common experience as a woman reading fantasy 😂 There's a reason the whole idea of "men writing women" exists LOL I cracked up at you trying to make sense of the scene by thinking it was a vampire LOL I'VE BEEN THERE
@@Bookborn 😅 I would be curious to know if there are male characters that are obviously written by women in men's eyes (I can only think of one instance in which a French female author - Marguerite Yourcenar - wrote a novel based on the Roman Emperor Hadrian's memoir and I found this man so unemotional and disconnected from everyone in his life, which made him feel so inhumane to me - and this novel won prizes and such!). When I told my husband about Misaki and Takeru's storyline he asked me if it was written by a woman because it sounded like a plotline women would be most sensitive about. I was offended at first, but after discussing it and thinking about it, he's right, it's really unlikely a man would have went into talking about husbands' responsibilities like Wang did through Misaki's bitterness. I'd be curious to know what you think of such observation. 🤔 (On a sidenote, I forgot to tell you but your video also made me think about how most Fantasy readers I'm following seem to dislike magical realism, which makes so much sense if they're into high Fantasy world-building - whereas if you're a thematically-driven reader like I am it wouldn't bother you as much because I do love the concept of using fantastical elements as symbols in literature).
For the heels thing its because its almost universally known that its hard to run in heels. But most people do not know that even a running athlete would have trouble escaping a T-Rex's top speed. Even in Jurassic Park they had trouble escaping in a jeep!
OH FOR SURE. I mean even if she was running away in tennis shoes and she held a world record for running it would be stretching it. But IN HEELS was just...too much lol.
You pretty much summed my feeling on it up. It is easy to accept the unknown, but the known done badly is jarring enough to pull you from that, and once that happens it is really difficult to stop the cognitive part of the brain from analysing everything, making it hard to get back to suspension again. Out of curiosity have you ever read any Samuel Taylor Coleridge? I am by no means a fan of poetry, but the Rime of the Ancient Mariner is one that really sticks with you. Well it did for me at least. From his description of what I always assumed was an Aurora: About, about, in reel and rout The death-fires danced at night; The water, like a witch's oils, Burnt green, and blue and white. Then there's: Like one, that on a lonesome road Doth walk in fear and dread, And having once turned round walks on, And turns no more his head; Because he knows, a frightful fiend Doth close behind him tread. And do not get me started on people constantly misquoting his water, water, every where verse!
@@Bookborn I can't really give you any pointers in poetry I'm afraid. The Second Coming by Yeats maybe. It has kind of resonated with me over the last year or so, especially the line: The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. It made me think of some world leaders of late, although it was published in November 1920. Relevant after 100 years.
Hi. Thank you for your video it was informative and helpful to understand the execution of suspending someone’s belief. That last bit with your son was so relatable 😂 I think we can all draw lessons about suspending disbelief from children. Just by watching how immersed he was talking to you about Pokemon 🥰 Thank you again!
Where I cannot allow myself to suspend disbelief is when the rules of the world are inconsistent. Also when there are no rules. But it depends. The anything-goes ruleset works perfectly fine in Rick and Morty, but not in Star Wars. Another issue is when character's capabilities, motivations, information or personality don't make sense. They should evolve according to their history and the events in the story.
Really mind blowing. I wasn't expecting this video but it's very cool. I think that it's important to suspend your disbelief in movie quite abit because it's a movie. For example, Mad Max:Fury Road, it's a fictional world that isn't our own and it gives us a chance to experience something different, which isn't reality. Even movie which are, portray characters and situations that we would never experience in real life. That's why we watch movies because it gives us the chance to escape our reality. Also, I haven't experienced running in heels, maybe one day lol.
Yes, I'm sure it definitely separates those who love to read fantasy and those who don't! Our willingness to suspend reality to enjoy an entire new world. Thanks for watching!
It is terrifying that we see human nature as being consistently represented in all sorts of media. As rather isolated individuals in a consumer culture when we see human nature as real, even in fiction, then we are forming a dysfunctional relationship with the other, with others. When we see characters in movies, plays, television series having relationships with one another we learn how to have relationships with one another. But just as the studio set is unreal, so are the relations. What do I learn about human relationships, and the personal relationship of the individual to culture through the consumption of media? Does the Lord of the Rings trilogy teach me to act ethically and effectively in the modern world, or does it teach me to accept that forces beyond my control shape my life, and that I must faithfully work towards victory for good over evil which exist concretely in the world as very black and white differences? Can I learn to have love and meaning and friendship in my life from Joey, and Monica, and Chandler? Does the human nature that they represent shape effective relations in a world outside of the studio?
I think the eagles come up over and over for 2 reasons. 1) misunderstanding of gandalfs line saying fly you fools by people and 2) because that literal definition of that word lodged in peoples mind and no one specifically stated why they couldnt fly there cause of the nagul easily finding them, people never get disuaded that eagles werent a good idea.
I think the interpretation of "fly you fools" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It was obviously meaning "run" and not "use the eagles". I'll never stop hating that theory soooo much haha
Because there's a science fictional explanation as to why the dinosaurs are back whereas there is a lack of a logical explanation as to why a woman would be able to outrun a T-Rex in high heels
Reminds me of The Conjuring. I love The Conjuring 1 and 2, they're highly immersive suspenseful Horror films however, I don't believe for a second that the characters actually encountered ghosts or whatever irl. For context they're supposedly based on true events. Whereas I don't like the film Braveheart for the overabundances of Historical inaccuracies...
Yeah the "based on real life" horror movies is such a funny trope now-a-days. It's overused to the point where it's not believable I feel like. Also, I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who hasn't seen Braveheart 😅
I was introduced to the quote through a psychology today article (www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/is-your-brain-culture/200907/why-dont-we-doubt-spider-mans-existence-2) but the book it's from is: "Experiencing Narrative Worlds: On the Psychological Activities of Reading" - Richard Gerrig Also, yes, I said his name as "Garret" when it's really "Gerrig" which is probably why it hurt your search lol!
I think thats why I don't tend to like musicals at least in live action film, and in terms of story. I just can't buy that a mild diagreement between friends and/or couples in public will result in the entire street spontaneously dancing and singing in sync. Though weirdly, i don't have this problem with musical numbers in cartoons and sitcoms etc. because the world and/or characters are by and large inherently somewhat "off". But I'm just not a musical person anyway.
Well, obviously Jurassic World is really an MCU movie, and running in vibranium high heals is her super power. Though I do wonder where Star Lord's blaster and rocket suit are.
My favorite pet-peeve of my wife is always the make up on woman in movies. Like the apocalypse just hit, or they’re refugees fleeing war, or they’re out roughing it in the woods, and they wake up the next morning with perfect hair and makeup??
I would say that our expectations are completely different! I should've clarified that I'm mostly thinking of media that attempts to be realistic; cartoons enter a completely different place in our brain. We know that in the cartoon world anything is possible; we know it isn't even pretending to be realistic. Animals can't talk, but in a cartoon world who cares? I think even in books it's slightly different too; we may be able to accept some more difficult physics because we aren't *seeing* it but rather just reading it... The brain is complicated lol
@@Bookborn I appreciate the clarification from before, but what about musicals where the characters do thinks that don’t seem possible in the real world. I’m thinking In the Heights wall dance scene. That setting seemed realistic and a child being astonished by its existence.
@@speedshoes29 I haven't seen In the Heights yet so I can't say. How realistic is the world trying to be? Something that isn't trying to be realistic I think gets more slack - but if the scene in question is like "this could happen in real life", then I think it would take someone out of the film. I'd have to see it though.
LotR was pretty good about it. But there's funny little things like: Pippin jumping a 7 foot gap in Moria? Like, okay, Tolkien, suuuuure. And in the movies, why the fuck does no one try to help Gandolf when he's clinging to the edge of the bridge? Like Legolas, Boromir, and Aragorn were all portrayed as capable and athletic guys, ESPECIALLY Legolas, but no one tries???? How rude lol
Just found you from your Wheel of Time first 3 books reread video... then the too long/short video... then the 3 george lucas's(?)... then this! Thank you for pointing out the concept needs to be "willing". I don't like the its just fiction you're taking it too seriously reply to complaints... it's the artists job to convince/make/help me believe, but I can't be too cynical. I have to try/want to believe... Hmmm... why did I just flash to religion? :) Love the t-shirt! - Fellow Human Being (ps... looking forward to more videos...)... ohh and what's this thing called research you speak of?
Well researched and thoughfully presented. You are awesume. May I suggest you join the Wheel of Time discourse? Check out recent podcasts by "Nae'blis". Your voice should be heard. For comic relief watch Screen Rant's "Pitch Meeting" for this movie
Also just went and watched the Screen Rant. A++...I particularly liked "And then they kiss. Why? Because they are two attractive people so now they are in love"
@@Bookborn Forget the Discord. I just joined. There are people from all over the world but it seems to be a lot of chatter. Here is who you should reach out to: Nae'blis Dusty Wheel (Matt was a beta reader for Brandon Sanderson) Daniel Green Mike's Book Reviews Merphy Napier Reading the Pattern WOT That should be a good start.
easier explanation : - who in the audience knows anything about biology or dinosaur cloning ? - now we all have in our mind that picture of a broken heel voilà, no need for 10' explanation
Girls can run in heels. I can run in heels. Nobody would CHOOSE to run from a TREX in heels. It’s not about being possible; it’s about the stupidity of the moment.
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This was really well formulated and presented. Thanks for the effort you clearly put into it.
When come to suspension of disbelief I have always liked the quote (paraphrasing) - "You can make your audience believe the impossible, but not the improbable. I will accept that you hero was born with the ability to create fire from her fingertips, I will not accept your villain dropping dead from a heart attack just as he is about to win."
Great quote!
so basically, it's easy to accept that you don't understand something, but it's hard to ignore that you do understand something.
This video deserves more views!! This is such important information for writers of any medium, books, films, etc.
The Almighty Algorithm™ decided to reveal the existence of your channel to me a couple of days ago and I've only watched a few of your videos but every single one was not only interesting but was about a question you seem to have analyzed and thought about a lot. Mad respect!
This one is no exception.
Funnily enough, I don't have much of an issue with that chased-in-heels-by-dinosaur scene but as a dude I only once wore high heels in a silly game years ago, so while I have a tiny notion about walking/running in heels, I by no means know what is realistic for someone who is used to wear heels on a regular basis.
Which beautifully backs up your argument, I think, that we have more trouble accepting deviations from lived reality: I can suspend disbelief easier exactly because wearing / running in heels is not a lived reality for me.
THANK YOU for the hard work to put this together, I have to present this topic in class. Now I'm confident thank you💖
Very good video. I agree that anything I read/watch can be set in almost any world with any rules and I can suspend disbelief as long as that world, and especially it’s characters actions, represent internally consistency. As soon as a character breaks that (no one, in any world, would run for their life from a T Rex whilst wearing heels) it breaks the immersion.
Totally agree. And I think the rules differ for other mediums. Some people have been talking about cartoons, and I think the suspension of disbelief is a MUCH lower bar for cartoons than live-action.
Good video. It is for these exact reasons why a lot of people don't like Disney Star Wars. They are changing a lot of lore that's been established for the past 30 or 40 years all the while trying to say it's better their way.
just found your channel, and the topics you bring up for discussion are so interesting!
Thanks for the support!
I think Sando refers to that in his writing lectures in slightly different context... You heard him talk about internal logic and external logic?
Internal logic being the logic of the story, like having dinosaurs in a city.
External logic being the logic of our world, and elements that are borrowed from it to the story itself, like running on heels.
So, having a dinosaur running around the city is fine with the internal logic of the world, because it's a world where dinosaurs exist, but the external logic is broken by the heels thing.
slightly different terminology, but similar context, I think.
Also shout out to Sando, storytelling genius :)
Ooo I haven't heard that lecture! I mostly remember his hard/soft magic essay and some writing excuses lectures, but that sounds like a super good one and boils down my point very well haha
@@Bookborn that hard/soft magic stuff is what inspired me start writing in the very start! It's SUCH an intriguing concept!
Awsome research you did. I never thought about this in so much detail. This could even help me in my own writing. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
These were all very helpful points. Cool vid
A side note: I did my philosophy seminar about "the emotions & fiction paradox", it's so prevelant that we mostly never consider how wierd it is to care about fictional things...
Wow what a cool topic! Any wisdom to impart about why we care so much? That would honestly make another fascinating video...maybe I'll have to add that to my topic list
@@Bookborn let me try to dig up the theories I've read... there's one about fear from a horror movie vs. In real life - it's not the same volume, but still provides us with catharsis. Then there's when we care for a news story about an old dog, when we discover it was fake - we get annoyed when we see that we cared about a dog that didn't exist, but we willingly care about an old dog in a movie we know is fake all along. And the last theory which I like is that we have to be able to have feelings about non-real things, bc we use it to imagine our reaction to future scenarios in order to decide what to do (like where to live or who to marry...) it's a good topic, I very much enjoyed writing about it!
An example of the abuse of suspension of disbelief that comes immediately to mind is the way the Force has mutated across the 3 Star Wars trilogies. In the original trilogy the Force was presented in a slightly wishy-washy way, but with enough consistency to give us a general sense of what could and what couldn't be done by a Jedi. The Phanom Menace trilogy started to abuse these parameters with the battles between Palpatine and Yoda and by the time we get to the final trilogy they have just totally blown the Force into deus ex machina territory with Leia force-flying (with no training) and Rey being insanely powerful and Luke doing a Force ghost that looks like he's really there. It's just an abuse of the audience that ratchets closer towards travesty/comedy each time.
This is such an interesting topic and you did a great job explaining it!
Thank you!
I like that you use both research and your own opinion. Subscribed.
Very helpful, thoughtful and clear. Thank you ❤
Thank you!
That was one of the most interesting videos I've watched! I've also pondered over the psychological reasons humans tend to love Fantasy so much, but didn't really think deeper about suspension of disbelief, which my very factual husband has a much harder time to do than dreamer me. 😅
I recently DNFed Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay and what you talked about resonated so much with me because I couldn't suspend my disbelief when it came to the ridiculous sex scenes (all female characters love biting and oh that virgin character could be f*cked so easily in that scene where I previously believed she was experienced) and then the introduction of a very unnecessary incest plotline (which again felt so over the top). Those instances really bothered me because it was so unrealistic and unconvincing. I thought at first that that first woman biting that man might be a vampire, I tried making sense of that scene, I thought it might be more important piece of information than it was, and felt very underwhelmed when I realized it was mainly the author's own sexual fantasy happening over and over again. 💀
Like I said, my husband has a harder time with magic, for example, because he's been exposed to very dark stuff in his life and knows magic isn't innocent in our real world. I'm thinking, for example, about a documentary I've watched about albinos - even children - in some African countries who are targeted by what sounds like satanists who sell their body parts for a lot of money to rich & powerful people practicing witchcraft in their society (it sounds crazy, but these things truly happen).
So, like you said, our life experiences will have a direct impact on how we'll read books and that's why reading is so subjective, especially if you combine that with personal tastes.
I feel like that's such a common experience as a woman reading fantasy 😂 There's a reason the whole idea of "men writing women" exists LOL I cracked up at you trying to make sense of the scene by thinking it was a vampire LOL I'VE BEEN THERE
@@Bookborn 😅 I would be curious to know if there are male characters that are obviously written by women in men's eyes (I can only think of one instance in which a French female author - Marguerite Yourcenar - wrote a novel based on the Roman Emperor Hadrian's memoir and I found this man so unemotional and disconnected from everyone in his life, which made him feel so inhumane to me - and this novel won prizes and such!).
When I told my husband about Misaki and Takeru's storyline he asked me if it was written by a woman because it sounded like a plotline women would be most sensitive about. I was offended at first, but after discussing it and thinking about it, he's right, it's really unlikely a man would have went into talking about husbands' responsibilities like Wang did through Misaki's bitterness. I'd be curious to know what you think of such observation. 🤔
(On a sidenote, I forgot to tell you but your video also made me think about how most Fantasy readers I'm following seem to dislike magical realism, which makes so much sense if they're into high Fantasy world-building - whereas if you're a thematically-driven reader like I am it wouldn't bother you as much because I do love the concept of using fantastical elements as symbols in literature).
How does this not have more views?
That's kind of you! Maybe people don't obsess over this stuff as much as I do 😂
For the heels thing its because its almost universally known that its hard to run in heels. But most people do not know that even a running athlete would have trouble escaping a T-Rex's top speed. Even in Jurassic Park they had trouble escaping in a jeep!
OH FOR SURE. I mean even if she was running away in tennis shoes and she held a world record for running it would be stretching it. But IN HEELS was just...too much lol.
You pretty much summed my feeling on it up. It is easy to accept the unknown, but the known done badly is jarring enough to pull you from that, and once that happens it is really difficult to stop the cognitive part of the brain from analysing everything, making it hard to get back to suspension again.
Out of curiosity have you ever read any Samuel Taylor Coleridge? I am by no means a fan of poetry, but the Rime of the Ancient Mariner is one that really sticks with you. Well it did for me at least.
From his description of what I always assumed was an Aurora: About, about, in reel and rout The death-fires danced at night; The water, like a witch's oils, Burnt green, and blue and white.
Then there's: Like one, that on a lonesome road
Doth walk in fear and dread, And having once turned round walks on, And turns no more his head; Because he knows, a frightful fiend Doth close behind him tread.
And do not get me started on people constantly misquoting his water, water, every where verse!
I actually haven't read any Coleridge! I want to try and read more poetry so maybe I'll check him out...
@@Bookborn I can't really give you any pointers in poetry I'm afraid. The Second Coming by Yeats maybe. It has kind of resonated with me over the last year or so, especially the line: The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
It made me think of some world leaders of late, although it was published in November 1920. Relevant after 100 years.
Hi. Thank you for your video it was informative and helpful to understand the execution of suspending someone’s belief.
That last bit with your son was so relatable 😂 I think we can all draw lessons about suspending disbelief from children. Just by watching how immersed he was talking to you about Pokemon 🥰
Thank you again!
Where I cannot allow myself to suspend disbelief is when the rules of the world are inconsistent. Also when there are no rules. But it depends. The anything-goes ruleset works perfectly fine in Rick and Morty, but not in Star Wars. Another issue is when character's capabilities, motivations, information or personality don't make sense. They should evolve according to their history and the events in the story.
Really mind blowing. I wasn't expecting this video but it's very cool. I think that it's important to suspend your disbelief in movie quite abit because it's a movie. For example, Mad Max:Fury Road, it's a fictional world that isn't our own and it gives us a chance to experience something different, which isn't reality. Even movie which are, portray characters and situations that we would never experience in real life. That's why we watch movies because it gives us the chance to escape our reality. Also, I haven't experienced running in heels, maybe one day lol.
Yes, I'm sure it definitely separates those who love to read fantasy and those who don't! Our willingness to suspend reality to enjoy an entire new world. Thanks for watching!
@@Bookborn Your welcome and it was a pleasure. Your so smart and articulate.
It is terrifying that we see human nature as being consistently represented in all sorts of media. As rather isolated individuals in a consumer culture when we see human nature as real, even in fiction, then we are forming a dysfunctional relationship with the other, with others. When we see characters in movies, plays, television series having relationships with one another we learn how to have relationships with one another. But just as the studio set is unreal, so are the relations. What do I learn about human relationships, and the personal relationship of the individual to culture through the consumption of media? Does the Lord of the Rings trilogy teach me to act ethically and effectively in the modern world, or does it teach me to accept that forces beyond my control shape my life, and that I must faithfully work towards victory for good over evil which exist concretely in the world as very black and white differences? Can I learn to have love and meaning and friendship in my life from Joey, and Monica, and Chandler? Does the human nature that they represent shape effective relations in a world outside of the studio?
I think the eagles come up over and over for 2 reasons. 1) misunderstanding of gandalfs line saying fly you fools by people and 2) because that literal definition of that word lodged in peoples mind and no one specifically stated why they couldnt fly there cause of the nagul easily finding them, people never get disuaded that eagles werent a good idea.
I think the interpretation of "fly you fools" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It was obviously meaning "run" and not "use the eagles". I'll never stop hating that theory soooo much haha
Awesome shirt! Oh, and good video too.
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Love the end scene.
It's been a year and a half and that's basically still all he talks to me about 😂
Because there's a science fictional explanation as to why the dinosaurs are back whereas there is a lack of a logical explanation as to why a woman would be able to outrun a T-Rex in high heels
Exactly. And that, my friend, is the heart of suspension of disbelief.
Reminds me of The Conjuring. I love The Conjuring 1 and 2, they're highly immersive suspenseful Horror films however, I don't believe for a second that the characters actually encountered ghosts or whatever irl.
For context they're supposedly based on true events.
Whereas I don't like the film Braveheart for the overabundances of Historical inaccuracies...
Yeah the "based on real life" horror movies is such a funny trope now-a-days. It's overused to the point where it's not believable I feel like.
Also, I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who hasn't seen Braveheart 😅
This is such an amazing video! What book was it that you used to find the quote from Richard Garret? 3.15
I was introduced to the quote through a psychology today article (www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/is-your-brain-culture/200907/why-dont-we-doubt-spider-mans-existence-2) but the book it's from is:
"Experiencing Narrative Worlds: On the Psychological Activities of Reading" - Richard Gerrig
Also, yes, I said his name as "Garret" when it's really "Gerrig" which is probably why it hurt your search lol!
@@Bookborn Thank you so much you’re amazing! This helps hugely!
I think thats why I don't tend to like musicals at least in live action film, and in terms of story.
I just can't buy that a mild diagreement between friends and/or couples in public will result in the entire street spontaneously dancing and singing in sync.
Though weirdly, i don't have this problem with musical numbers in cartoons and sitcoms etc. because the world and/or characters are by and large inherently somewhat "off".
But I'm just not a musical person anyway.
Well, obviously Jurassic World is really an MCU movie, and running in vibranium high heals is her super power. Though I do wonder where Star Lord's blaster and rocket suit are.
LOL. Even if they were Vibranium I'd still hate it. RUNNING IN HEELS ISN'T FUN
My favorite pet-peeve of my wife is always the make up on woman in movies.
Like the apocalypse just hit, or they’re refugees fleeing war, or they’re out roughing it in the woods, and they wake up the next morning with perfect hair and makeup??
How often do you post videos? I really need to pace myself. I have watched almost all of your videos.
Only once a week, every wed lol
That was great.
Thanks for watching :)
How would you explain suspension of disbelief with cartoons like SpongeBob or Looney Tunes
I would say that our expectations are completely different! I should've clarified that I'm mostly thinking of media that attempts to be realistic; cartoons enter a completely different place in our brain. We know that in the cartoon world anything is possible; we know it isn't even pretending to be realistic. Animals can't talk, but in a cartoon world who cares?
I think even in books it's slightly different too; we may be able to accept some more difficult physics because we aren't *seeing* it but rather just reading it...
The brain is complicated lol
@@Bookborn I appreciate the clarification from before, but what about musicals where the characters do thinks that don’t seem possible in the real world. I’m thinking In the Heights wall dance scene. That setting seemed realistic and a child being astonished by its existence.
@@speedshoes29 I haven't seen In the Heights yet so I can't say. How realistic is the world trying to be? Something that isn't trying to be realistic I think gets more slack - but if the scene in question is like "this could happen in real life", then I think it would take someone out of the film. I'd have to see it though.
LotR was pretty good about it. But there's funny little things like: Pippin jumping a 7 foot gap in Moria? Like, okay, Tolkien, suuuuure.
And in the movies, why the fuck does no one try to help Gandolf when he's clinging to the edge of the bridge? Like Legolas, Boromir, and Aragorn were all portrayed as capable and athletic guys, ESPECIALLY Legolas, but no one tries???? How rude lol
Just found you from your Wheel of Time first 3 books reread video... then the too long/short video... then the 3 george lucas's(?)... then this! Thank you for pointing
out the concept needs to be "willing". I don't like the its just fiction you're taking it too seriously reply to complaints... it's the artists job to convince/make/help me believe, but I can't be too cynical. I have to try/want to believe... Hmmm... why did I just flash to religion? :) Love the t-shirt! - Fellow Human Being (ps... looking forward to more videos...)... ohh and what's this thing called research you speak of?
Why does Coleridge look 18 months old and 40 years old at the same time😂
Something about the time era lol. Have you ever looked at a yearbook from like the 50s? I swear that same thing is true there.
Well researched and thoughfully presented. You are awesume. May I suggest you join the Wheel of Time discourse? Check out recent podcasts by "Nae'blis". Your voice should be heard.
For comic relief watch Screen Rant's "Pitch Meeting" for this movie
I've been trying to expand my podcast game. I'm going to check it out!
Also just went and watched the Screen Rant. A++...I particularly liked "And then they kiss. Why? Because they are two attractive people so now they are in love"
@@Bookborn Forget the Discord. I just joined. There are people from all over the world but it seems to be a lot of chatter. Here is who you should reach out to:
Nae'blis
Dusty Wheel
(Matt was a beta reader for Brandon Sanderson)
Daniel Green
Mike's Book Reviews
Merphy Napier
Reading the Pattern
WOT
That should be a good start.
About flying the eagles flying to Mordor ruclips.net/video/_FaD1_AF6Rk/видео.html
easier explanation :
- who in the audience knows anything about biology or dinosaur cloning ?
- now we all have in our mind that picture of a broken heel
voilà, no need for 10' explanation
This isn't really an explanation, but rather a discussion on the suspension of disbelief in general
A God-given ability
He knew about the
Chaos
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Keep ur green screens
And strings hidden.
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Or She knew
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My justification for watching pro wresting!
just because you can´t run on heels doesn´t invalidate that other girls can run on heels
Girls can run in heels. I can run in heels. Nobody would CHOOSE to run from a TREX in heels. It’s not about being possible; it’s about the stupidity of the moment.