Can we talk about how Faith was willing to sacrifice herself to save Angel? Her redemption arc may be not perfect, but I still really really love it. She is one of my favorite characters of all time!
@@Belnick6666 Of course. I never said that I wanted it, just meant they would have been a great couple. You're preaching to the choir here. I'm a gay man and I want nothing to do with the crazy w0ke insanity or the alphabet m@fia...
I mean, Wesley and Fred were always my end game ship, but I adored Willow and Fred here and this was a relationship I could have been happy about as opposed to Willow and Kennedy. Fred and Willow were adorable. But they were both just clueless.
6:30 Having the two Finest Ladies in the entire Buffy-Verse together onscreen is a long-awaited treat. 😻😻 9:00 Willow reassuring Wesley about the legitimacy of his darkness will never not make me cackle. 🤣
I think Orpheus was a great episode within the Angelus Saga during the show. Willow is now called upon to try and re-soul Angel. With Faith and Angelus somewhat comatose here, they share the same dreams similar to previous episodes of BTVS with Buffy and Angel. The Cordelia/Willow exchange is interesting as Cordelia knows of Willow's power and a great scene when the knife is thrown hitting the door. Super surreal dream scene in the Diner with Angelus/Faith and Angel back in the 1970s. Angel puts Mandy on the jukebox, a throwback to when he first sang in Lorne's club. A great scene when Willow is sent flying across the foyer by Cordelia but responds with powerful magic herself. Again terrific dream scene in the alleyway ( this show loves alleyways ) where we see Angelus and Faith see Angel scavenging for rats. Willow's power eventually breaks the glass, and we revert again to the alleyway scene. Cordelia is able to manipulate Connor as we tend to forget he is still very young, and not as experienced as Cordelia, so is easily led by a kind of blind teenage love crush which she is able to use against him. The real battle of course is in the subconscious mind of Angelus and Faith where Angel is begging Faith to wake up. The awakening scene is brilliant, we know Cordelia told Connor to kill Angelus, who we now know has been restored to Angel. Faith grabbing the stake as Connor is about to kill Angel and whooping Connor's butt, is one of the most satisfying scenes ever. Some light relief and the end where everyone is saying goodbyes, but then we see Cordelia come down the stairs showing her pregnancy bump. All in all a brilliant episode with complex plot and writing reaching new levels.
"Please keep fighting Faith" Oh aye, next tell the wind to blow why don't you :). (in amongst all the ick it's not always easy to remember that Connor grew up in a hell dimension, raised by Holtz - it's actually more surprising he's not an even bigger douche at this point IMO)
It’s a shame that, instead of just repeating the original curse, Willow didn’t _amend_ it to make Angel’s soul permanent. I mean, she’s so powerful her thoughts alone can alter reality. She’s certainly more than capable of such a feat.
Willow is the only character on Buffy that consistently treated Angel human, Buffy, once she knew naturally had to see him as both Angel & Angelus and studying Angelus' history. It always bugged me that Angel's history couldn't be studied, but of course the writers hadn't worked it out either. Faith, I always stand by my feelings that Faith & Angel had on of the best connections in the Buffyverse. I mentioned this previously but when Angel was human he had a younger sister who even Liam, with all his young & reckless ways, seemed to love. While Angelus' birth led to the torture of Angel's father, his sister & Mom was killed instantly in the hallway of their home. Faith, to me at least, seemed to connect with that part of Angel. The big brother who made the mistakes & won't give up in trying to pull you back from falling as far. Now, that's just my feelings on those characters, I know most people feel differently, but I think we can all agree that Faith would fit on the show Angel a lot better than on Buffy.
Not to mention, before she revealed herself to the audience by killing Lilah, Cordy hadn't acted all that different than usual. After getting her memories back, at least. Since then, she's been hiding in her room in the hotel, "healing" from her wound, pretty much only interacting with Connor who is totally lost in the sauce.
Characters not noticing when their friends have changed is a frequent trope in the Buffyverse. Xander changes in "The Pack", Willow changes in "Dopplegangland", Buffy changes in "Who Are You", and each time it takes a considerable amount of time for anyone to realize something is wrong.
Connor is being manipulated! Funny how the only people who can tell there is manipulation going on are those being manipulated. That's why I never understood the hate towards Connor. You're an 18 year old boy and a woman like Charisma plays you, you get played.
I think a huge part of the hate comes from the character literally always being miserable and angsty towards everyone. He didn't have enough redeeming moments before this arc. And right when it seemed like he was getting better he got even worse in most fans eyes once he slept with Cordelia and led to where this arc inevitably does. it's a shame, I also feel for the actor as it seems like his role was seen as expendable once the on set power tripping Joss had on Charisma led to how this season was written. Makes me wonder what could have been for Connor. The character did deserve better imo.
I love this episode. Willow and Wesley's conversation was great & his double take when Willow asked about Fred after their discussion about the darkness that they'd both been through was funny & better than Willow just outright saying that she was gay. Faith & Angelus' conversations were also great, but Angel's talk to her as he was fighting Angelus was even better. It's also fitting that the actress who played the flapper had her own redemption arc on Xena. Adrienne Wilkinson was a semi-regular on that show near the end of season 5 & into the final season of Xena.
They didnt notice *Cordelia was pregnant because they haven't seen her in days. Her getting shot in the leg only happened a few days earlier and she's been "too tired" for visitors 😴
It was great seeing Willow back on Angel. Though I remember finding it a little jarring at her issues with doing magic on Buffy at the time versus how she's presented on Angel, but it was still fun.
I always saw it as like, being on the Hellmouth and in the vicinity of the First with it's attention there made everything worse for her, maybe the bringers are doing rituals that are interfering with her abilities as well. Even if it can be everywhere, it can't instantly send a bunch of followers/minions over to LA to mess with her there.
My second favorite episode of AtS, and my fourth favorite overall. I love this episode. The closest I come to not, is wishing Angel and Angelus would worry more about fighting each other due to Faith not being there, but since she is there, I can digress on tham not worrying about fighting each other, as they still do fight, just not they way I was hoping because Angel is worried about Faith. My favorite moment is the reactions of Angelus and Faith as Angel rescues a puppy.
The ending of the previous episode is so good, it absolutely makes people think of the slayer/vampire thing that they've lightly toyed with over the series a bit and I think a lot of people would be curious to see actually happen but then the reveal that it's all part of the plan is just absolutely top drawer. The Wesley/Willow convo is fun as well, knowing they're married irl, can't remember if that was the case right at this point though.
The falling asleep while doing something happened to me many times. I'd be doing something of watching something, and then it would be an hour or so later I would wake up. Your reaction to seeing Willow was great, almost as good as finding out that Faith was going to Sunnydale. I think the phrase "kid in a candy store" applies. Yes, Fred and Willow would make a cute couple, and like you, I would totally ship that, if Fred went that way.
Can we talk about how Faith was willing to sacrifice herself to save Angel? Her redemption arc may be not perfect, but I still really really love it. She is one of my favorite characters of all time!
I love Eliza Dushku as an actress, she's right up there with the best of the rest in the Buffyverse.
Frillow?! 😅 Would've been amazing though...
My favorite line from Lorne: "She's alive! It's a miracle!" 😂
except you cant force someone to like what they do not like, even if modern shows does it today, it does not work like that, you either are or are not
@@Belnick6666 Of course. I never said that I wanted it, just meant they would have been a great couple. You're preaching to the choir here. I'm a gay man and I want nothing to do with the crazy w0ke insanity or the alphabet m@fia...
"and I thought the wigs couldn't get worse"😀
Fred has, in one episode, _immeasurably_ more chemistry with Willow than Kennedy has had for half a season.
I have a theory that Joss would have cast Amy as Tara if he had found her sooner.
Angel vs Angelus!!!! Mind fight love it and finding out another reason why Angelus hate's Angel😂 "Oh Mandy"🎵 Stay awesome Dakara 🤘
It always reminded me of The Crow tv show when Eric Draven faces his Crow self in a similar way.
I mean, Wesley and Fred were always my end game ship, but I adored Willow and Fred here and this was a relationship I could have been happy about as opposed to Willow and Kennedy. Fred and Willow were adorable. But they were both just clueless.
6:30 Having the two Finest Ladies in the entire Buffy-Verse together onscreen is a long-awaited treat. 😻😻
9:00 Willow reassuring Wesley about the legitimacy of his darkness will never not make me cackle. 🤣
I think Orpheus was a great episode within the Angelus Saga during the show. Willow is now called upon to try and re-soul Angel. With Faith and Angelus somewhat comatose here, they share the same dreams similar to previous episodes of BTVS with Buffy and Angel. The Cordelia/Willow exchange is interesting as Cordelia knows of Willow's power and a great scene when the knife is thrown hitting the door. Super surreal dream scene in the Diner with Angelus/Faith and Angel back in the 1970s. Angel puts Mandy on the jukebox, a throwback to when he first sang in Lorne's club. A great scene when Willow is sent flying across the foyer by Cordelia but responds with powerful magic herself. Again terrific dream scene in the alleyway ( this show loves alleyways ) where we see Angelus and Faith see Angel scavenging for rats. Willow's power eventually breaks the glass, and we revert again to the alleyway scene. Cordelia is able to manipulate Connor as we tend to forget he is still very young, and not as experienced as Cordelia, so is easily led by a kind of blind teenage love crush which she is able to use against him. The real battle of course is in the subconscious mind of Angelus and Faith where Angel is begging Faith to wake up. The awakening scene is brilliant, we know Cordelia told Connor to kill Angelus, who we now know has been restored to Angel. Faith grabbing the stake as Connor is about to kill Angel and whooping Connor's butt, is one of the most satisfying scenes ever. Some light relief and the end where everyone is saying goodbyes, but then we see Cordelia come down the stairs showing her pregnancy bump. All in all a brilliant episode with complex plot and writing reaching new levels.
What can i say Season 4 is just amazing
"Please keep fighting Faith"
Oh aye, next tell the wind to blow why don't you :).
(in amongst all the ick it's not always easy to remember that Connor grew up in a hell dimension, raised by Holtz - it's actually more surprising he's not an even bigger douche at this point IMO)
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It’s a shame that, instead of just repeating the original curse, Willow didn’t _amend_ it to make Angel’s soul permanent. I mean, she’s so powerful her thoughts alone can alter reality. She’s certainly more than capable of such a feat.
Willow is the only character on Buffy that consistently treated Angel human, Buffy, once she knew naturally had to see him as both Angel & Angelus and studying Angelus' history. It always bugged me that Angel's history couldn't be studied, but of course the writers hadn't worked it out either. Faith, I always stand by my feelings that Faith & Angel had on of the best connections in the Buffyverse. I mentioned this previously but when Angel was human he had a younger sister who even Liam, with all his young & reckless ways, seemed to love. While Angelus' birth led to the torture of Angel's father, his sister & Mom was killed instantly in the hallway of their home. Faith, to me at least, seemed to connect with that part of Angel. The big brother who made the mistakes & won't give up in trying to pull you back from falling as far. Now, that's just my feelings on those characters, I know most people feel differently, but I think we can all agree that Faith would fit on the show Angel a lot better than on Buffy.
Willow, Faith and Fred reminds Angel of his dearest little sister Kathy. They're his surrogate little sisters figure to Angel.
I think they all assumed that Cordy was changed by being a "higher power" and that's why she doesn't always act like old Cordy.
Not to mention, before she revealed herself to the audience by killing Lilah, Cordy hadn't acted all that different than usual. After getting her memories back, at least. Since then, she's been hiding in her room in the hotel, "healing" from her wound, pretty much only interacting with Connor who is totally lost in the sauce.
Characters not noticing when their friends have changed is a frequent trope in the Buffyverse. Xander changes in "The Pack", Willow changes in "Dopplegangland", Buffy changes in "Who Are You", and each time it takes a considerable amount of time for anyone to realize something is wrong.
Connor is being manipulated!
Funny how the only people who can tell there is manipulation going on are those being manipulated.
That's why I never understood the hate towards Connor. You're an 18 year old boy and a woman like Charisma plays you, you get played.
I think a huge part of the hate comes from the character literally always being miserable and angsty towards everyone. He didn't have enough redeeming moments before this arc. And right when it seemed like he was getting better he got even worse in most fans eyes once he slept with Cordelia and led to where this arc inevitably does. it's a shame, I also feel for the actor as it seems like his role was seen as expendable once the on set power tripping Joss had on Charisma led to how this season was written. Makes me wonder what could have been for Connor. The character did deserve better imo.
@@theblizzard32 With a background like his, it would be more surprising if he weren't miserable and angsty.
I love this episode. Willow and Wesley's conversation was great & his double take when Willow asked about Fred after their discussion about the darkness that they'd both been through was funny & better than Willow just outright saying that she was gay.
Faith & Angelus' conversations were also great, but Angel's talk to her as he was fighting Angelus was even better. It's also fitting that the actress who played the flapper had her own redemption arc on Xena. Adrienne Wilkinson was a semi-regular on that show near the end of season 5 & into the final season of Xena.
Best ep of Angel EVER! Faith and Willow in the same ep, what more could you ask?
They didnt notice *Cordelia was pregnant because they haven't seen her in days. Her getting shot in the leg only happened a few days earlier and she's been "too tired" for visitors 😴
It was great seeing Willow back on Angel. Though I remember finding it a little jarring at her issues with doing magic on Buffy at the time versus how she's presented on Angel, but it was still fun.
I always saw it as like, being on the Hellmouth and in the vicinity of the First with it's attention there made everything worse for her, maybe the bringers are doing rituals that are interfering with her abilities as well. Even if it can be everywhere, it can't instantly send a bunch of followers/minions over to LA to mess with her there.
@@themediater oh I'm not complaining that much. It was nice seeing this strong confident Willow in control of her abilities.
My second favorite episode of AtS, and my fourth favorite overall. I love this episode. The closest I come to not, is wishing Angel and Angelus would worry more about fighting each other due to Faith not being there, but since she is there, I can digress on tham not worrying about fighting each other, as they still do fight, just not they way I was hoping because Angel is worried about Faith.
My favorite moment is the reactions of Angelus and Faith as Angel rescues a puppy.
The ending of the previous episode is so good, it absolutely makes people think of the slayer/vampire thing that they've lightly toyed with over the series a bit and I think a lot of people would be curious to see actually happen but then the reveal that it's all part of the plan is just absolutely top drawer.
The Wesley/Willow convo is fun as well, knowing they're married irl, can't remember if that was the case right at this point though.
The falling asleep while doing something happened to me many times. I'd be doing something of watching something, and then it would be an hour or so later I would wake up. Your reaction to seeing Willow was great, almost as good as finding out that Faith was going to Sunnydale. I think the phrase "kid in a candy store" applies. Yes, Fred and Willow would make a cute couple, and like you, I would totally ship that, if Fred went that way.
That's narcolepsy, as I'm sure you know. Unless... did you see a van outside?