even though it was an Air Algérie flight, but both the aircraft and the crew were spanish. I lost a friend who was onboard this flight. He was an algerian Air Algérie captain travelling as a passenger. May they rest in peace
My husband flew out today for a routine 2.5 hour flight. It was anything but routine. The tailwind was high and the turbulence was the worst he's ever experienced. I've flown this flight multiple times and most of the flights had zero turbulence. He said to himself, it's the longest 2.5 hours of his life and he thanked God I wasn't with him. He said he knows he'd have a broken hand lol. He knows me well 😉 Thank you Alec. As always, an excellent video ✈️ 😊
The lesson from this is the same as AF447: AIRPLANES ARE NOT X-WING FIGHTERS. You can't just nose up and zoom out of a stall. Have unbiquitous autopilots started making pilots forget the basic rules of stick-and-rudder flight?
So I actually did a countdown timer to try to realize this myself. I thought the same but when actually faced with a sudden dilemma it may take a bit to discuss the situation with the other pilot before taking action. I actually can now see how fast 25 seconds can go by. Especially if it's been an hour or more routine flight and all of a sudden stick shaker.... Well I am sure it's alarming
@@emmcee476Having hydroplaned while driving at 65 mph I can certainly say that it did not take me 25 seconds to turn off cruise control. The steering went numb and I immediately, IMMEDIATELY, turned off cruise, covered the gas pedal, and lightly gripped the steering wheel. Planning and practice paid off.
Ok one pilot does the three things of 1) Aviate-fly the plane! 2) Navigate-heading/altitude! 3) Communicate. Talk to each other! “I have control” three most neglected words of CRM Crew Resource Management. I believe if one or at least two of these were done. We wouldn’t have had this
A weird thing about this MD-83 is that plane is a leased plane from Swiftair, a charter airline from Spain, so the plane don't even have Air Algerie livery.
Sorry Alaska 261 was a maintenance Induced Elevator jack screw failure the pilots did everything they could to save the airplane. It is not similar to this at all
@@davidkadish2048I mean that's true but the way the plane is parking and Climbing reminds me of West Caribbean 708 and the fall reminds me of Alaska 261 from an Animation
There is a resemblance between the accident of Air Algérie Flight 5017 and the one that occurred on April 4, 1977, involving Southern Airways Flight 242. Finally, let us express a heartfelt thought for all the victims of airplane accidents worldwide, and a special thought for the captain who was on board Air Algérie Flight 5017.
How is this like Southern 242? That flight had engine flame outs the reasons for which were understood completely by the pilots, and it never stalled. They ran out of altitude, not airspeed. This flight *does* resemble Air France 447: frozen sensors, and pilots who had plenty of altitude to recover from a stall, but who somehow forgot basic rules of flight: they needed to put the nose DOWN and get airspeed.
@@cmalberts In the case of flight AH 5017, the pilots did not react promptly to the engine problem caused by hail. Conversely, during the incident of flight Southern 242, the pilots acted quickly to prevent their aircraft from entering into a spin.
@@vfx7t Exactly. In the case of this Air Algérie flight, the pilots had *plenty* of altitude to trade for airspeed. Whatever their gauges were saying, the stick shaker wasn't lying.
You should do Uruguayan Air Force flight 571, which crashed in the Andes in 1972 due to pilot error. They came out with a movie last month called Society of the Snow, which shows a completely accurate depiction of the crash and 72 day survival.
I think the eeriest thing to me when watching any of these videos is seeing that the pilots with so many hours of experience and the count of how many souls on board are going to die on this flight. Coming to work and taking a flight not knowing you'll be dead shortly and that that is it.
I don't know what it is but time and time again I watch these videos and when the plane stalls the pilots pull up instead of pushing the stick down to perform a recovery. This should be instinctive when the stick shaker goes off.
It was particularly disturbing that the plane pitched the nose up. I know it was trying to maintain altitude but it should have "known" that a stall was imminent and that was the wrong action.
Sadly it’s quite common even for experience, pilots play panic and instead of pushing down I think without clear thinking pull up pull up get away from the ground but of course that’s the opposite than what you need to. Do you need to get the wing flying by reducing the angle of attack.
...indeed, fly the plane, as the speed decreased and engine power had to be reduced then nose down to keep up sufficient airspeed and start looking for somewhere to go!.....
Being an MD-80 fan I have been waiting for someone to do a video on this flight. Very sad that the crew up front were not at their best that day. I understand they were flying odd hours and probably exhausted and away from Spain and not a regular Air Algerie aircraft and crew. Very sad accident.
I remember when this one happened. In 2014, after MH370, any major airline crash would start out with a headline with something to the effect of “ABC123 DISAPPEARS OVER THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE” to get clicks. This flight was no exception
Plenty of blame on the pilot(s) in that one. A high altitude stall with miles of room to recover and he held the stick back in a nose up input the entire time.
You should’ve included the stall warning! Although scary to hear, the MD-80s had very distinctive stall warnings with Bitchin’ Betty. Remember it from my simulator ride.
I have a question. There is a similar channel called "MPC Flights". About five months ago they posted a vid of an A-320 that supposedly flew half-way across India with the landing gear unintentionally extended, a seemingly inexplicable "pilot error". Supposedly, the pilots neglected to retract the gear after takeoff and never noticed their error. Among other things, they eventually had to make an emergency landing because they were running low on fuel, which is when they finally noticed their mistake. My simple question: Can this actually happen? It seems highly unlikely to me, for countless reasons. YT won't let me link, but the vid can be seen at the "MPC Flights" channel.
these pilots jsut should have pursued another career: "clogged with ice in this case. Such icing is normally prevented by a hot-air system, which probably was not activated by the aircrew during climb and cruise"
The CVR was actually broken long before the flight. Cockpit voice recorders are supposed to continuously erase the oldest data to make room for new audio, but the erase function on this CVR wasn't working. Consequently, audio from multiple flights were recorded on top of each other, resulting in a jumble of noise that made it impossible to actually decipher what was actually happening in the cockpit during the accident flight. A similar thing happened with Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101.
Two highly experienced pilots doing nothing inspite of so many abnormalities and flight system warnings is unacceptable. This coupled with the notorious name M.cdonell Douglas sealed the matter . RIP to all the sad and unfortunate victims
The pilots' efforts to recover sound much like I would've done years before watching all of these aircraft disasters: Pull back on the stick and panic. Even I know now that a stall must be cured by pointing the nose down or increasing thrust, but never pulling the nose up.
@oBruttomesso i mean if the cvr data was recoverered, the only thing we know is that the pilots had done some grave mistakes, but why they did so is unknown, its like mandela 091, the flaps werent set while taking off but why the pilots couldnt do so is unknown
@@LuchinoBruttomesso The CVR was recorded, but the audio of the accident flight was indecipherable because it was mixed with audio from previous flights.
I think pilots just fall into the mental trap of not being able to think the unthinkable. They just don’t believe the plane can crash unless there is some catastrophic failure. There’s a kind of complacency that sets in after so many hours of flying. This plane could have easily stayed in the air if the pilots had had a bit more fear. The complexity of the cockpit and computer systems doesn’t help either , it distracts from the basics and gets in the way of pilots “ just flying the plane “
"Pulling the nose up is contrary to recovering from a stall." 😒Tell that to pilots when they're plummetting toward the ground at 400 mph. 😒 I'm often somewhat amused by the critiques leveled at pilots for not following prescribed procedures ten seconds before unscheduled contact with the ground.
Allec always uploaded on Fridays, but TFC used to do it on Tuesdays, then Thurdays and now the same as Allec. Another proof that channel is only pure clickbait and nice graphics.
Again, it comes back to pilot issues. Of course, the world we live in today seems to not place blame on individuals. It goes along with everybody getting a participation trophy. I'm not saying it's the only thing. However, time and time again, these findings shed light on the standards of what it takes to be a pilot continues to be lowered. In this new age, we can pass the top 30 and hire those whose skills and qualifications are not where they should be!!! But hey, we found the right person that must be selected to fill whatever the quota of the month is. And what really sucks is these sub standard selections walk around with an attitude of see what I just got! Sad part is there okay that 99 more qualified people got passed up because you were too lazy to study and put forth the effort to have earned the job the right way!! Shame on you!!!!
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even though it was an Air Algérie flight, but both the aircraft and the crew were spanish. I lost a friend who was onboard this flight. He was an algerian Air Algérie captain travelling as a passenger. May they rest in peace
That sucks. My condolences
it was practically a wet leased floght, with swiftair providing the crew and the plane to other airlines
@@crypton7572 indeed it was. I would have just appreciated this being clarified in the video.
Too bad he didn't have a chance to show them how to fly properly
@@cindysavage265 he wasn’t qualified for the aircraft type. He was a B737-800 captain
My husband flew out today for a routine 2.5 hour flight. It was anything but routine. The tailwind was high and the turbulence was the worst he's ever experienced. I've flown this flight multiple times and most of the flights had zero turbulence.
He said to himself, it's the longest 2.5 hours of his life and he thanked God I wasn't with him. He said he knows he'd have a broken hand lol.
He knows me well 😉
Thank you Alec. As always, an excellent video ✈️ 😊
I understand... I pray when I get on flights ... I never take any flight for granted
Why a broken hand?
@@robs5688 squeezing it
Sounds like he flew out of Denver
Seems as though Aviate might have come third to Navigate and Communicate until the pilots were overwhelmed. Very sad.
No problem Allec, and a fine job as always.
Thank you and regards.
The lesson from this is the same as AF447: AIRPLANES ARE NOT X-WING FIGHTERS. You can't just nose up and zoom out of a stall. Have unbiquitous autopilots started making pilots forget the basic rules of stick-and-rudder flight?
25secs between stick shaker and autopilot disconnect. What were they doing all this time? Astonishing incompetence.
So I actually did a countdown timer to try to realize this myself. I thought the same but when actually faced with a sudden dilemma it may take a bit to discuss the situation with the other pilot before taking action. I actually can now see how fast 25 seconds can go by. Especially if it's been an hour or more routine flight and all of a sudden stick shaker.... Well I am sure it's alarming
But you could've done a way better job right? 🙄
@@emmcee476Having hydroplaned while driving at 65 mph I can certainly say that it did not take me 25 seconds to turn off cruise control.
The steering went numb and I immediately, IMMEDIATELY, turned off cruise, covered the gas pedal, and lightly gripped the steering wheel. Planning and practice paid off.
easy. relax stick. increase throttle. Immediately. @@emmcee476
Ok one pilot does the three things of 1) Aviate-fly the plane! 2) Navigate-heading/altitude! 3) Communicate. Talk to each other! “I have control” three most neglected words of CRM Crew Resource Management. I believe if one or at least two of these were done. We wouldn’t have had this
A weird thing about this MD-83 is that plane is a leased plane from Swiftair, a charter airline from Spain, so the plane don't even have Air Algerie livery.
That isn´t weird at all, this happens a lot in aviation.
@@leonardbose4885exactly. Wet leasing is very common. Same goes for the check-in counters/staff too.
as always , a great video Allec , thank you for the upload , Be Well Friend .🙂👍
This accident resembles a Mix Between West Caribbean 708 and Alaska Airlines 261!
Sorry Alaska 261 was a maintenance Induced Elevator jack screw failure the pilots did everything they could to save the airplane. It is not similar to this at all
@@davidkadish2048I mean that's true but the way the plane is parking and Climbing reminds me of West Caribbean 708 and the fall reminds me of Alaska 261 from an Animation
@@davidkadish2048I think he meant the way how alaska 261 fell from the sky
There is a resemblance between the accident of Air Algérie Flight 5017 and the one that occurred on April 4, 1977, involving Southern Airways Flight 242. Finally, let us express a heartfelt thought for all the victims of airplane accidents worldwide, and a special thought for the captain who was on board Air Algérie Flight 5017.
These guys just had a lot on their plate when this happened. Mistakes then happen sometimes.
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How is this like Southern 242? That flight had engine flame outs the reasons for which were understood completely by the pilots, and it never stalled. They ran out of altitude, not airspeed.
This flight *does* resemble Air France 447: frozen sensors, and pilots who had plenty of altitude to recover from a stall, but who somehow forgot basic rules of flight: they needed to put the nose DOWN and get airspeed.
@@cmalberts In the case of flight AH 5017, the pilots did not react promptly to the engine problem caused by hail. Conversely, during the incident of flight Southern 242, the pilots acted quickly to prevent their aircraft from entering into a spin.
@@vfx7t Exactly. In the case of this Air Algérie flight, the pilots had *plenty* of altitude to trade for airspeed. Whatever their gauges were saying, the stick shaker wasn't lying.
A very sad story but a brilliant video thank you
Thank you for reuploading Allec. Much appreciated.
You should do Uruguayan Air Force flight 571, which crashed in the Andes in 1972 due to pilot error.
They came out with a movie last month called Society of the Snow, which shows a completely accurate depiction of the crash and 72 day survival.
I think the eeriest thing to me when watching any of these videos is seeing that the pilots with so many hours of experience and the count of how many souls on board are going to die on this flight. Coming to work and taking a flight not knowing you'll be dead shortly and that that is it.
I don't know what it is but time and time again I watch these videos and when the plane stalls the pilots pull up instead of pushing the stick down to perform a recovery. This should be instinctive when the stick shaker goes off.
It was particularly disturbing that the plane pitched the nose up. I know it was trying to maintain altitude but it should have "known" that a stall was imminent and that was the wrong action.
Sadly it’s quite common even for experience, pilots play panic and instead of pushing down I think without clear thinking pull up pull up get away from the ground but of course that’s the opposite than what you need to. Do you need to get the wing flying by reducing the angle of attack.
Sad, must have been terrifying. RIP
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is how not to handle things when they go wrong.
Monitoring altitude and air speed while flying that is why we call it flying
blows my mind that trained pilots fail to do simple stall recovery
...indeed, fly the plane, as the speed decreased and engine power had to be reduced then nose down to keep up sufficient airspeed and start looking for somewhere to go!.....
You truly do awesome job Allec😊
Very sad event, thx for ur informative video
it feels like they should have had enough altitude to recover from this, despite everything going wrong?
Either program auto pilots to recover from a stall or make sure it disconnects at stall warning.
Being an MD-80 fan I have been waiting for someone to do a video on this flight. Very sad that the crew up front were not at their best that day. I understand they were flying odd hours and probably exhausted and away from Spain and not a regular Air Algerie aircraft and crew. Very sad accident.
That was rough....😢
I remember when this one happened. In 2014, after MH370, any major airline crash would start out with a headline with something to the effect of “ABC123 DISAPPEARS OVER THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE” to get clicks. This flight was no exception
Autopilot cripples. People like that forget the basics of flight.
Similar to Air France 447, where the Airbus' uncrashable plane computer logic knew better than the pilots.
Plenty of blame on the pilot(s) in that one. A high altitude stall with miles of room to recover and he held the stick back in a nose up input the entire time.
‘It was also recommended that the company hire actual aviators.”
You should’ve included the stall warning! Although scary to hear, the MD-80s had very distinctive stall warnings with Bitchin’ Betty. Remember it from my simulator ride.
Considering how much time is spent in ab initio learning stall recovery, it amazes me that high hours pilots can't do it.
I have a question.
There is a similar channel called "MPC Flights". About five months ago they posted a vid of an A-320 that supposedly flew half-way across India with the landing gear unintentionally extended, a seemingly inexplicable "pilot error". Supposedly, the pilots neglected to retract the gear after takeoff and never noticed their error. Among other things, they eventually had to make an emergency landing because they were running low on fuel, which is when they finally noticed their mistake.
My simple question: Can this actually happen? It seems highly unlikely to me, for countless reasons.
YT won't let me link, but the vid can be seen at the "MPC Flights" channel.
Never heard of this incident, or any aircraft flying with gear down for extended time
The incident you're talking about is air india flight 676
Love it; betta than the competitor !!
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these pilots jsut should have pursued another career:
"clogged with ice in this case. Such icing is normally prevented by a hot-air system, which probably was not activated by the aircrew during climb and cruise"
Stall warnings with stick shaker activation and autopilot didn’t disconnect automatically?
Why was the CVR "unusable?" Thought the point of them was they could survive pretty much anything.
The CVR was actually broken long before the flight. Cockpit voice recorders are supposed to continuously erase the oldest data to make room for new audio, but the erase function on this CVR wasn't working. Consequently, audio from multiple flights were recorded on top of each other, resulting in a jumble of noise that made it impossible to actually decipher what was actually happening in the cockpit during the accident flight. A similar thing happened with Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101.
@@jacobstuckey9221 Thanks, I appreciate the explanation.
Out of the jumble they were only able to understand the atc transmissions in this flight
Luv your vids! Also could you do Air China 129 sometime?
Two highly experienced pilots doing nothing inspite of so many abnormalities and flight system warnings is unacceptable. This coupled with the notorious name M.cdonell Douglas sealed the matter . RIP to all the sad and unfortunate victims
The pilots' efforts to recover sound much like I would've done years before watching all of these aircraft disasters: Pull back on the stick and panic. Even I know now that a stall must be cured by pointing the nose down or increasing thrust, but never pulling the nose up.
This crash doesnt add up, if only the cvr was recovered...
Wouldn’t have helped at all,the investigators Said that the CVR was “Unusable”, so they Did find the CVR for flight 5017,but it was Unreadable
unless there was an ali snack bar shouted@@LuchinoBruttomesso
@oBruttomesso i mean if the cvr data was recoverered, the only thing we know is that the pilots had done some grave mistakes, but why they did so is unknown, its like mandela 091, the flaps werent set while taking off but why the pilots couldnt do so is unknown
@@LuchinoBruttomesso The CVR was recorded, but the audio of the accident flight was indecipherable because it was mixed with audio from previous flights.
I think pilots just fall into the mental trap of not being able to think the unthinkable. They just don’t believe the plane can crash unless there is some catastrophic failure. There’s a kind of complacency that sets in after so many hours of flying. This plane could have easily stayed in the air if the pilots had had a bit more fear. The complexity of the cockpit and computer systems doesn’t help either , it distracts from the basics and gets in the way of pilots “ just flying the plane “
I lost 4 friends on that flight. Sad sad day
Very sad whenever we lose an MD-80. Rest in peace Mad-Dog.
Damn, as a doctor, I think I could have flown this plane better
Pitch down with left roll was the final way the plane got their attention.🙄
Hello Sir may I give some suggestions to make simulation about Hijack on Indonesia' s airlines Garuda Indonesia Flight 206
Dude next : japan airlines flight 516 first airbus a350 fatal crash 😢
Air Algerie 5017
Fatalities : 116
Survivors : 0
"Pulling the nose up is contrary to recovering from a stall."
😒Tell that to pilots when they're plummetting toward the ground at 400 mph. 😒
I'm often somewhat amused by the critiques leveled at pilots for not following prescribed procedures ten seconds before unscheduled contact with the ground.
Can you do Air India flight 182 please thanks and love your videos
Pure incompetence from pilots.
If they used ENGINE N1 instead of EPR 5hey would be fine
Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?
Do you think you're funny or cool asking dumb questions?
@@emmcee476of course I do. And so do you Chief, don’t try to deny it. You are welcome.
Looks great!.But one more feedback.You didn't name the pilots as they were identified!🙂
Pls Do British airways flight 009
Wow, what Error?
Original video was cut before giving more explanations.
@@KyoushaPumpItUp oh really,I don't know because I don't finish the video
WHY DO YOU AND THE FLIGHT CHANNEL ALWAYS UPLOAD ON THE SAME DAY!?
Gives us more to look forward to. (on a Friday in Australia)
Why is that a problem?
@@mph1ish no one said it was.
@@douglasmontgomery2063 Well, you did yell it...
Allec always uploaded on Fridays, but TFC used to do it on Tuesdays, then Thurdays and now the same as Allec. Another proof that channel is only pure clickbait and nice graphics.
I thought oogadooga was just a saying?
Again, it comes back to pilot issues. Of course, the world we live in today seems to not place blame on individuals. It goes along with everybody getting a participation trophy.
I'm not saying it's the only thing. However, time and time again, these findings shed light on the standards of what it takes to be a pilot continues to be lowered.
In this new age, we can pass the top 30 and hire those whose skills and qualifications are not where they should be!!!
But hey, we found the right person that must be selected to fill whatever the quota of the month is. And what really sucks is these sub standard selections walk around with an attitude of see what I just got! Sad part is there okay that 99 more qualified people got passed up because you were too lazy to study and put forth the effort to have earned the job the right way!! Shame on you!!!!
Welcome to the third world airways.
This is a Spanish aircraft with a Spanish crew…. Idiot
Spanish aircraft with spanish crew…better do your homework before making comments
@@moncefdalli9650 Facts are stubborn things.
I thought it was a Russkie plane at first.
Tricking The Automation | Air Algérie Flight 5017 (FIXED)
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@@tanagra2 oh good... More cretins
25 second to ignore stick shaker, whoa, maybe they were sleeping?