I’m so glad you didn’t compromise and took back your original Mini Mac. And it should be pretty fast until next week when they come out with the M10 chip.😊
A M4 Mini Pro (maxed out) is zippy compared to a M2 Max Studio with 64gb, yes - more gpu cores... but day to day - the single core speed is noticeable and worth the purchase.
Hi, I have a question for you. I've been watching a lot of videos about the Mac Mini M4 Pro, and I think you might help me solve a doubt I have. I'm looking to buy the Mini M4 Pro with 64 GB of RAM, 1 TB of SSD, a 14-core CPU, a 20-core GPU, and a 16-core Neural Engine. The price is almost 3000 euros. Then I noticed that the Mac Studio M2 Max, with a 12-core CPU, a 30-core GPU, a 16-core Neural Engine, 64 GB of unified memory, and 1 TB of SSD, costs about the same. I work mainly with Adobe software (Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects), so now I have a dilemma about which one would be better to buy. I hope you can help me figure it out, haha! Thank you so much for the great content you make!
Not an Adobe user myself, but I have seen several videos doing the head-to-head comparison between the M4 Minis and the M2 Studios, and as I recall the M2 Max was better for video. Performance in DaVinci Resolve for example scales linearly with number of GPU cores, so more GPU cores beats faster CPU cores. See if you can find one of those Mini/Studio videos. Don’t rely on me!
@DrWiggo Thank you for your insights! It's interesting to hear that the M2 Max performs better for video, especially in applications like DaVinci Resolve. I’ll definitely look for more head-to-head comparisons between the M4 Mini and the M2 Studio. For now, I think I’ll wait for the Mac Studio M4 Max to see what it offers before making a decision. Your comment has been very helpful!.
Thx for this Great Video. Most of the other videos talk about other benchmarks & export time. But, mostly EDITING experience is NOT discussed . EDITING is the most crucial phase as it makes or breaks the overall experience. You nailed it. Question, did you try adding some noise reduction and other effects / adjustment layers and see if you get the same snappy experience ?
im torn in what to get next. debating in building a tower PC or m4 pro / max because only edit in resolve. a 45-50 minute sermon I edit takes 35 minutes to export in 4k (down sampling from 6.5K) and about 18 minutes for 1080p from same timelines. not sure if upgrading to a higher end pc would even reduce that time or if im delusional in thinking that footage can render in 5 minutes with the right machine?
5 minutes seems like a pipe dream (for now). But as you saw in this video, the M3 Max MBP was the fastest machine I have, so I’m thinking a M4 Max MBP would be your best bet of the current offerings.
I think you should look at the hardware encoder limits to answer your question. In my M2 Mini Pro, have seen a steady 192 frames per second for hardware-accelerated render of 4k video into 1080p. I can't offhand recall the NVenc numbers from my RTX 3080 Ti, and I don't have any 6k camera material for testing your specific situation. But the upper limits of render speed are a matter of minimal color/effects, 1080p output, and whether you're doing H.264, or H.265. For example: 24fps input rendering at 192fps is 8x speed; so 50 minutes of content would take just over 6 minutes. *If* NVenc is capable of 300fps then that same 50 minute content would take 4 minutes to render. I'll do some testing later to compare, although this is the wrong place to find someone again and report results.
Great video as always. As an avid iPhone user since the 3GS I’m thinking it’s now time to switch from my 2018 HP laptop to a Mac Mini M4 Pro. I already use a separate monitor via HDMI and if I can confirm that all my external hard drives connected to my powered USB switch along with my keyboard & mouse will all play nice with the Mac Mini M4 Pro via USB - USB C adapter then it’s a go for the model that has 24 GB of ram and a 512GB or 1TB Hard drive.
Good choice! I am impressed how capable this little thing is. I’d recommend going with the 512GB and save the upgrade money for an external Thunderbolt 5 drive down the road a bit.
If you are getting by with a 2018 HP laptop and haven't outgrown it in the last 6 years... even the base M4 will spin circles around it. @$500 on sale right now its a steal (for a mac). Sure, less internal drive space, but you just have to be smart about how to set it all up. Great thing is, you could buy the base mini, try it... and even several months from now if you hate it... could easily sell it for the same $500 you paid for it. Keep the box. Everything you own now will plug in, but the drive formatting could be problematic, depending on how they are formatted. Technically OS X can read all the FATs (12, 16, 32) but the older versions of FAT were always finicky and corrupted easy. Just about any KB and mouse will work, wired, or BT, so could be a good time for new ones =) TBolt 5 drives are great and the speeds look impressive, but really only necessary for a few niche users, IMHO. and $$$. 4TB TB 5 drive costs $200 *more* than a base mini. You could easily get a 4Tb TBolt 4 drive for less than half -- which is still overkill. Assuming your external drives are HDDs, getting maybe 80-90 MB/s -- TBolt 4 drives are getting 3000 MB/s. Since the Dr is might transfer large video files often, sure, Tbolt 4 or even TB 5 drives make sense. But for day to day normal peeps... even TB 4 is overkill.
@@JamesBond-fo6owthat’s what I kind of thought but wasn’t sure. I have three external HDDs a 14TB, 12TB & 20TB along with a Blu-ray burner, Logitech keyboard & mouse all plugged into a powered TP Link USB hub. My laptop has a 1TB SSD internal drive that I installed two years ago when the mechanical one failed and I upgraded the ram to 24 gigs since I do some video editing and plex stuff myself hence the large external drives I have. I don’t do any gaming on computer and just game on consoles PS5 & Series X so I kinda thought that the base M4 Mini would be a huge upgrade but wasn’t sure. Worst case scenario if I can’t get my drives to work properly with a USB to C adapter going from switch to adapter I can leave the laptop on my desk to the side and just install the mini underneath my monitor with a HDMI cable and plug my edifier speakers into the headphone jack and get a new Bluetooth keyboard & mouse.
I was waiting to hear what codec your video media pool contains. Explanation: I own a Win10 machine with a 5950X/3080Ti combo, and a base M2 Pro Mini. Media pools for both are on U.2 Thunderbolt 3 enclosures. I edit in DaVinci within the Mac Mini because its H.264 10-bit 422 (from Panasonic GH5s cameras) hardware decode allows far better agility on the Edit Page timeline compared to the Win10 machine. There is no Windows offering for that specific codec. You can watch the CPU in the Win10 machine struggle with the CPU decoding of timeline thumbnails, especially with a 5-camera multicam. However, the heavy lifting of Depth Map, Noise Reduction, Relight, all are overwhelming to the GPU capacity of the M2 Pro Mini. I suspect that the Windows Cut/Edit page performance issues you attribute to disk performance is actually a video decode performance difference between software/CPU being slower than hardware-ASIC decoding.
Can you explain why better neural engine i thought it is the same neural engine? the rest of the advantages i can follow. So probably higher bandwidth for Ram access.
@ yes I’ve been dealing with Avid DNxHR on windows for a few years, I much prefer ProRes. A Mac will export out a ProRes file much faster than it will export the same timeline in an Avid codec.
TBH -- sounds like you should wait for M4 studio. ESPECIALLY since you want the resolve speed. I mean, Ur @ $2400 for the mini M4 pro. Assuming the M4 Studio has the same costs as the M2 Studio... a M2 Max Studio with 64/1TB is $2600. $200 more. But as you can see from your own M3 Max scores, (and others M4 MPB MAx speeds) all of those extra GPUs crush the mini scores. Saving you time. Of course, you gotta wait =) Maybe start putting $10 a week away... so by the time they are announced, you can sell your m4 mini and bump up to a m4 studio =)
The problem with Apple is that there’s no guarantee they will release an M4 Studio. We assume they will but look at the MacPro, it missed the M3 series completely.
@@Realist-m9c 100%... but id say this jump seems inevitable. =) Its gonna replace my current workstation -- loaded 2020 27" mac. 128/1TB, 3 screens, 4 TB Tbot 4 RAID 0. Running all of the Adobe CC.
I’m so glad you didn’t compromise and took back your original Mini Mac. And it should be pretty fast until next week when they come out with the M10 chip.😊
Thanks. And so true!
A M4 Mini Pro (maxed out) is zippy compared to a M2 Max Studio with 64gb, yes - more gpu cores... but day to day - the single core speed is noticeable and worth the purchase.
I’m keeping mine!
Wish you would have linked your DaVinci editing video like you mentioned.
Ooops! Added to the description. (Here it is to save you looking for it: ruclips.net/video/RXPYl86-EyI/видео.html )
Hi, I have a question for you. I've been watching a lot of videos about the Mac Mini M4 Pro, and I think you might help me solve a doubt I have. I'm looking to buy the Mini M4 Pro with 64 GB of RAM, 1 TB of SSD, a 14-core CPU, a 20-core GPU, and a 16-core Neural Engine. The price is almost 3000 euros. Then I noticed that the Mac Studio M2 Max, with a 12-core CPU, a 30-core GPU, a 16-core Neural Engine, 64 GB of unified memory, and 1 TB of SSD, costs about the same. I work mainly with Adobe software (Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects), so now I have a dilemma about which one would be better to buy. I hope you can help me figure it out, haha! Thank you so much for the great content you make!
Not an Adobe user myself, but I have seen several videos doing the head-to-head comparison between the M4 Minis and the M2 Studios, and as I recall the M2 Max was better for video. Performance in DaVinci Resolve for example scales linearly with number of GPU cores, so more GPU cores beats faster CPU cores. See if you can find one of those Mini/Studio videos. Don’t rely on me!
@DrWiggo Thank you for your insights! It's interesting to hear that the M2 Max performs better for video, especially in applications like DaVinci Resolve. I’ll definitely look for more head-to-head comparisons between the M4 Mini and the M2 Studio. For now, I think I’ll wait for the Mac Studio M4 Max to see what it offers before making a decision. Your comment has been very helpful!.
Thx for this Great Video. Most of the other videos talk about other benchmarks & export time. But, mostly EDITING experience is NOT discussed . EDITING is the most crucial phase as it makes or breaks the overall experience. You nailed it. Question, did you try adding some noise reduction and other effects / adjustment layers and see if you get the same snappy experience ?
I don’t even need to try it to know the answer is no. Other RUclipsrs have demonstrated that noise reduction remains a performance killer.
@@DrWiggo ok got it , thx man
im torn in what to get next. debating in building a tower PC or m4 pro / max because only edit in resolve. a 45-50 minute sermon I edit takes 35 minutes to export in 4k (down sampling from 6.5K) and about 18 minutes for 1080p from same timelines. not sure if upgrading to a higher end pc would even reduce that time or if im delusional in thinking that footage can render in 5 minutes with the right machine?
5 minutes seems like a pipe dream (for now). But as you saw in this video, the M3 Max MBP was the fastest machine I have, so I’m thinking a M4 Max MBP would be your best bet of the current offerings.
I think you should look at the hardware encoder limits to answer your question. In my M2 Mini Pro, have seen a steady 192 frames per second for hardware-accelerated render of 4k video into 1080p. I can't offhand recall the NVenc numbers from my RTX 3080 Ti, and I don't have any 6k camera material for testing your specific situation. But the upper limits of render speed are a matter of minimal color/effects, 1080p output, and whether you're doing H.264, or H.265. For example: 24fps input rendering at 192fps is 8x speed; so 50 minutes of content would take just over 6 minutes. *If* NVenc is capable of 300fps then that same 50 minute content would take 4 minutes to render. I'll do some testing later to compare, although this is the wrong place to find someone again and report results.
Thank you both! Appreciate the thorough explanation
Great video as always. As an avid iPhone user since the 3GS I’m thinking it’s now time to switch from my 2018 HP laptop to a Mac Mini M4 Pro. I already use a separate monitor via HDMI and if I can confirm that all my external hard drives connected to my powered USB switch along with my keyboard & mouse will all play nice with the Mac Mini M4 Pro via USB - USB C adapter then it’s a go for the model that has 24 GB of ram and a 512GB or 1TB Hard drive.
Good choice! I am impressed how capable this little thing is. I’d recommend going with the 512GB and save the upgrade money for an external Thunderbolt 5 drive down the road a bit.
@ will do, thanks
If you are getting by with a 2018 HP laptop and haven't outgrown it in the last 6 years... even the base M4 will spin circles around it. @$500 on sale right now its a steal (for a mac). Sure, less internal drive space, but you just have to be smart about how to set it all up. Great thing is, you could buy the base mini, try it... and even several months from now if you hate it... could easily sell it for the same $500 you paid for it. Keep the box. Everything you own now will plug in, but the drive formatting could be problematic, depending on how they are formatted. Technically OS X can read all the FATs (12, 16, 32) but the older versions of FAT were always finicky and corrupted easy. Just about any KB and mouse will work, wired, or BT, so could be a good time for new ones =) TBolt 5 drives are great and the speeds look impressive, but really only necessary for a few niche users, IMHO. and $$$. 4TB TB 5 drive costs $200 *more* than a base mini. You could easily get a 4Tb TBolt 4 drive for less than half -- which is still overkill. Assuming your external drives are HDDs, getting maybe 80-90 MB/s -- TBolt 4 drives are getting 3000 MB/s. Since the Dr is might transfer large video files often, sure, Tbolt 4 or even TB 5 drives make sense. But for day to day normal peeps... even TB 4 is overkill.
@@JamesBond-fo6owthat’s what I kind of thought but wasn’t sure. I have three external HDDs a 14TB, 12TB & 20TB along with a Blu-ray burner, Logitech keyboard & mouse all plugged into a powered TP Link USB hub. My laptop has a 1TB SSD internal drive that I installed two years ago when the mechanical one failed and I upgraded the ram to 24 gigs since I do some video editing and plex stuff myself hence the large external drives I have. I don’t do any gaming on computer and just game on consoles PS5 & Series X so I kinda thought that the base M4 Mini would be a huge upgrade but wasn’t sure. Worst case scenario if I can’t get my drives to work properly with a USB to C adapter going from switch to adapter I can leave the laptop on my desk to the side and just install the mini underneath my monitor with a HDMI cable and plug my edifier speakers into the headphone jack and get a new Bluetooth keyboard & mouse.
I was waiting to hear what codec your video media pool contains. Explanation: I own a Win10 machine with a 5950X/3080Ti combo, and a base M2 Pro Mini. Media pools for both are on U.2 Thunderbolt 3 enclosures. I edit in DaVinci within the Mac Mini because its H.264 10-bit 422 (from Panasonic GH5s cameras) hardware decode allows far better agility on the Edit Page timeline compared to the Win10 machine. There is no Windows offering for that specific codec. You can watch the CPU in the Win10 machine struggle with the CPU decoding of timeline thumbnails, especially with a 5-camera multicam. However, the heavy lifting of Depth Map, Noise Reduction, Relight, all are overwhelming to the GPU capacity of the M2 Pro Mini. I suspect that the Windows Cut/Edit page performance issues you attribute to disk performance is actually a video decode performance difference between software/CPU being slower than hardware-ASIC decoding.
I’m a Sony shooter , so predominantly H.264 (8-bit). And you may very well be right about the reason for the speed difference.
Can you explain why better neural engine i thought it is the same neural engine? the rest of the advantages i can follow. So probably higher bandwidth for Ram access.
Is saying I was wrong an explanation? I misinterpreted something on the Apple website.
You haven’t mentioned the codec your exporting with but i know the Apple computers will export ProRes much faster than using other codecs.
H264. ProRes wasn’t an option for me before now.
@ yes I’ve been dealing with Avid DNxHR on windows for a few years, I much prefer ProRes. A Mac will export out a ProRes file much faster than it will export the same timeline in an Avid codec.
@@Realist-m9c Now that I can, I will experiment with ProRes.
TBH -- sounds like you should wait for M4 studio. ESPECIALLY since you want the resolve speed. I mean, Ur @ $2400 for the mini M4 pro. Assuming the M4 Studio has the same costs as the M2 Studio... a M2 Max Studio with 64/1TB is $2600. $200 more. But as you can see from your own M3 Max scores, (and others M4 MPB MAx speeds) all of those extra GPUs crush the mini scores. Saving you time. Of course, you gotta wait =) Maybe start putting $10 a week away... so by the time they are announced, you can sell your m4 mini and bump up to a m4 studio =)
The problem with Apple is that there’s no guarantee they will release an M4 Studio. We assume they will but look at the MacPro, it missed the M3 series completely.
@@Realist-m9c 100%... but id say this jump seems inevitable. =) Its gonna replace my current workstation -- loaded 2020 27" mac. 128/1TB, 3 screens, 4 TB Tbot 4 RAID 0. Running all of the Adobe CC.
Everything you say is true, including the part about waiting. 😊
@@DrWiggo Sing it with me... the waiting is the haaaardest part... =)
@@JamesBond-fo6ow I'm in the choir!