Thanks for the teardown, Provides lots of neural stimulation looking at these things in this depth. Especially the microscope view of things that most of us can't observe.
I know its old tech but its still amazing how small and accurate the i.c makers were, and that borrowed microscope does a beautifull job :-) I loved that stripdown and your knowedge is superb :-) Im not supprised the camera cost so much, as the years roll by then new ideas and technical advances dwarf the earlier breakthroughs and make production cheaper. Old school tech is still amazing, especially if it still works :-)
24:41 I never actually considered that using those hybrid modules could be for space-constraints.. You mentioned that it'd be 100+ chips in there if it weren't for the hybrids, pretty cool stuff
Hey, very late to the game commenting on this 4+ years after the fact. Looking at the dies in the first hybrid, I'd bet the first small die is a BJT to either bias or blank the input signal. That concentric layout looks more reminiscent of a BJT to me than a FET, but I could be wrong. If it's a BJT, it looks to be wired as C/E > input, base > bus 1, E/C > bus 2, substrate > bus 3. Whether they've used a PNP or an NPN I can't say, but I'd guess NPN since they haven't done any trickery to tie the two dies' substrates together to combine bus 3 with bus 4, which is the substrate for the second die. The second pair layout definitely looks more FET-like. I'd guessing a source-follower with an active load (input device S + substrate to bus 4, second FET gate and drain to bus 5, first FET drain to second FET source + output). One trick when laying out FETs is to fold them to save space. This is typically done so as to place the drain in the center and tied to metal, with a polysilicon gate on either side, then a metal source contact on either side of the gate. Drawing that all out results in the textbook source-follower with a FET current source load. Edit - apparently RUclips turns pairs of dashes into strikethrough...
@@tesla500 Very interesting place to work. Great people. Best job I ever had. I will try to post a photo of a print of me taken in the courtyard by a person in test.
The buttons on that thing are membrane buttons, arguably the worst kind ever invented. Basically, you have a printed plastic membrane with conductive rubber pads under it which connect pairs of electrodes when they are pressed. They are quite common on microwaves, and some early home computers used them, like the Atari 400 and Sinclair's ZX80 and ZX81. No physical feedback, at all.
I've never seen a whole system for sale. It's pretty much worthless except as an antique, a piece of history. This system stored video to special custom tapes, and it's likely the tape recorders wouldn't function after all this time.
Mine was the Ektapro TR (Tape Recording). The EM (Electronic Memory) was a later version which used DRAM.
Greetings from Brazil man. The microscope images are gorgeous!
Oi Gabriel. Temos um sistema Kodak para venda aqui em São Paulo para venda. Está completo.
Thank you for putting the effort into making this video. I very much appreciated the tear-down and your commentary.
wow. Good work!
I especially liked that you ID'd chips where possible and dove into the details of the custom ICs.
Thanks for the teardown, Provides lots of neural stimulation looking at these things in this depth. Especially the microscope view of things that most of us can't observe.
Nice Teardown, you can see the old Kodak logo next to the date :D on the sensor die.
The close-ups of the hybrids are amazing! :)
Hey, Glad to see your new vid's, keep them coming. Some of the most interesting "tech" stuff on the Ytube!
Very cool. Thanks for the detail shots and clear explanation.
I love these old school high end gear tear downs. If this was made in 1981, development would probably have happened in the late 70s, amazing.
Very nice detailed dive into the camera chips, subscribed :D
Dat bodge tower hex inverter though XD made me snort out my drink, such beauty!
Nice teardown video!
Thanks for this great teardown, I love hybrid circuits...
I know its old tech but its still amazing how small and accurate the i.c makers were, and that borrowed microscope does a beautifull job :-)
I loved that stripdown and your knowedge is superb :-)
Im not supprised the camera cost so much, as the years roll by then new ideas and technical advances dwarf the earlier breakthroughs and make production cheaper.
Old school tech is still amazing, especially if it still works :-)
Thank you for all the videos that you make. Very informative and helpfull. Thank you again!
$10 ...well worth it just to see and learn about the old technology.
Nice Teardown job
Nice teardown. Thanks!
Mr. Tesla: Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It's great.
24:41 I never actually considered that using those hybrid modules could be for space-constraints.. You mentioned that it'd be 100+ chips in there if it weren't for the hybrids, pretty cool stuff
We have a complete Kodak SP 2000 system here in Brazil for sale.
They're out for production now, should be in any time.
Is that solid gold? or just plating. Also, love the shirt :D
Impressive they could make the camera sensor back in the -80.
Today the same resolution chip would cost nothing.
Hey, very late to the game commenting on this 4+ years after the fact. Looking at the dies in the first hybrid, I'd bet the first small die is a BJT to either bias or blank the input signal. That concentric layout looks more reminiscent of a BJT to me than a FET, but I could be wrong. If it's a BJT, it looks to be wired as C/E > input, base > bus 1, E/C > bus 2, substrate > bus 3. Whether they've used a PNP or an NPN I can't say, but I'd guess NPN since they haven't done any trickery to tie the two dies' substrates together to combine bus 3 with bus 4, which is the substrate for the second die.
The second pair layout definitely looks more FET-like. I'd guessing a source-follower with an active load (input device S + substrate to bus 4, second FET gate and drain to bus 5, first FET drain to second FET source + output).
One trick when laying out FETs is to fold them to save space. This is typically done so as to place the drain in the center and tied to metal, with a polysilicon gate on either side, then a metal source contact on either side of the gate. Drawing that all out results in the textbook source-follower with a FET current source load.
Edit - apparently RUclips turns pairs of dashes into strikethrough...
Very interesting, I'd really like to see a more detailed view of the newer image sensor but I guess you'd need an electron microscope to see the guts.
Turn up your volume. The audio is perfectly fine.
12:11 oh so this is where you got your profile picture from
Thank you! This was interresting.
Those odd chips in the hybrid with the gold dots are most likely capacitors made from diodes, or are gold doped shottky clamp diodes.
I also like to use bolt cutters when I am working on delicate circuitry
Thanks for this video. I worked there. 77 to 85.
You're very welcome! Do you have any stories you can share from your time there? I'm curious to hear about what it was like working there.
@@tesla500 Very interesting place to work. Great people. Best job I ever had. I will try to post a photo of a print of me taken in the courtyard by a person in test.
Nice job !!!!
Could you please give me more information on your microscope and video cam with this microscope ???
Thanks !!!!
9:00 oh this hurts to watch..
not that you'll ever want to be using this device
Unfortunately I don't have the tape recorder/processor unit required to operate the camera, so I can't run it.
Old tech is very interesting!!
btw cant you show what kind of video it shoots? would be interesting to see.
I want some of those tricks.
how is your high speed camera pcb coming along?
I'm thinking that I know what your Halloween costume was. Hope you used white powder and two bolts (left & right on neck).
Are you sure it's CMOS and not NMOS?
You need like a saying that you say at the begining of every video. Something like "hi fellow nerds"
The buttons on that thing are membrane buttons, arguably the worst kind ever invented. Basically, you have a printed plastic membrane with conductive rubber pads under it which connect pairs of electrodes when they are pressed. They are quite common on microwaves, and some early home computers used them, like the Atari 400 and Sinclair's ZX80 and ZX81. No physical feedback, at all.
What the prise this camera now?
I've never seen a whole system for sale. It's pretty much worthless except as an antique, a piece of history. This system stored video to special custom tapes, and it's likely the tape recorders wouldn't function after all this time.
12:19 I see you use Dave CAD
$10 and off ebay? Has Mike shown you some of his tricks? :P
btw nice teardown :)
nice shirt XD
Awsome! :D
Probably not worth it for these few parts. It would be quite labor intensive and likely require some nasty chemicals.
9:14 :-)))))
this is probably one of the nerdiest videos on youtube. nothing wrong with that though.
16:40 , I see Luna
Brohoof fellow brony! /)
I had to shove my earbuds well past my cochlea to hear you. Fix your audio, it's too damn quiet.
(\ Brohoof!
Probably not worth it for these few parts. It would be quite labor intensive and likely require some nasty chemicals.