"The Poseidon believer has an explanation for the tides of the ocean, if you spill milk on the ground they don't have tides, they just sit there, clearly you need Poseidon to make the tides" I doubt Lisle would accept this but it's the same thing he's saying.
You're just not spilling enough milk. Spill a _lot_ more and you'll have those tides. They might even be more powerful, as the Milk might resonate with the Cheese of the Moon.
I'm that way whenever someone says "The Bible says" and the Jesus loves me jingle! Seriously, shouldn't ALL religious debates begin there? With clarifying the debaters' positions on sacred texts? If the final word is the Bible or Qur'an, then there's no conversation to be had.
@@BruceCarroll Is it now, Bruce! If _your mind_ had anything to do with that claim, I ought to rather believe things could be a lot simpler than you suggest, unless of course your mind has _the_ proper perspective on reality!
normally paul just plays the "for the bible tells me so" jingle right after someone says something circular so i kept waiting for it and then it finally dropped like the beat in a song and i almost cheered out loud before i remembered my partner is in a meeting right now. apparently i'm just trained now to hear someone say "the bible told me" and immediately want paul's little jingle after it.
@@David34981 no he didn’t. He said he wrong to say it but was right about the science. Demanded he was right about while ignoring that the science isn’t in fact settled on the matter. Also he completely ignored the multiple fallacies in his original anti-trans rant. But our favorite atheists are giving him a pass, so…
I haven't watched any of you're videos lately and I apologize Paul. I just love the fact I can randomly start watching again and never be disappointed in you're videos. Always great work!!
My wife and I have been inserting 'doot dooooo be-doo doo' after every 'phenomenon' we hear (or use) for yeeeeears. Seeing you you use it gives me a sense of vindication I can't really express clearly...😂
'Sometimes Illness Wins' is the kind of profoundly important book that can unfortunately spend a long time in the wilderness before recieving the recognition they deserve. Likewise... Discworld is a fine companion to grief... GNU Sir Terry Pratchett.
A good test of the reasoning capability of a sapient human mind simply requires the presence of another, independent sapient human. It's called "how many fingers am I holding up?" If an individual calls out the same number of fingers that you perceive that you hold up, the test concludes with the outcome that either both of you are unable to sense objective reality yet coincidentally imagined the same outcome, or both of you, in fact, can perceive objective reality in the same manner.
It always makes me chuckle when people trying to make a case for the existence of libertarian free will say things like "rationality requires that we can consider all the options, and freely choose the best one". That's the thing -- you can ONLY choose the one that's the best for you in the exact situation you're in. To do anything else would be irrational. Which means either people can choose to be irrational (which goes against his whole point), or they can ONLY be rational (which means there is no actual free will being exercised).
Jason on chemistry: chemicals have no choice, they follow laws of nature. The chemicals must fizz Jason on evolution: it's chance, completely random. I wonder why ppl nickname him Dr. Liar
And he keeps saying that the brain is just a series of chemical reactions that are not conscious, so how can they produce consciousness? His explanation is...magic? There is a term called 'emergance'. Emergence is something being more than the sum of its parts. This is a common phenomenon. The answer to his question is, "Consciousness is an emergant property of the brain."
A transistor has no choice, it just switches according to the laws of nature. A calculator must therefore have an external silicone soul in order to perform calculations.
My mind doesn't tell me things. I am my mind. Separating "me" from my "mind" is gibberish. People ARE their minds, their minds don't "tell" them things.
You have a couple of times said that “one minut represent around an hours work.” So i am really thankfull for the 19. Hours and 26 minuts worth of work. You are a Beast.
This is what happens when a failed scientist, whom no one takes seriously, gives up on reasoning and claims he knows the source of reasoning. Edit: for those of you who encounter presupps in the comments sections, the appropriate means of engaging these eels is not to, but the fun way is to simply say “toast”.
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive No, experts in philosophy and history would be people like Graham Oppy or Bart Ehrman (who have both been on Paul's show before). Thankfully, most theists have such bad arguments that even amateurs like Stephen or Paul can refute them.
The quick transition scene just after 7:42 is greatly appreciated! At 10:35 or so, Stephen talks about mutations being at the core of natural selection. I'd quibble that he really should have said "variation." Natural selection can push a population towards some more favorable configuration extremely quickly, much faster than mutations would allow, by exploiting pre-existing variations within the starting population. (This is especially true for complex creatures; for viruses and bacteria, mutations are indeed a first order driver). Mutations certainly are important to evolution for complex species too, but only in the much longer time horizon that, say, than the time scale that produced Darwin's finches. This can be seen in selective breeding. One can quickly drive a population of plants or animals towards some desired outcome, but it will quickly plateau. The way out of it is to introduce "fresh blood" outside of that inbreed gene pool to mix things up and then selectively breed them again, hoping to push out the boundary a bit before hitting a plateau again.
I love it when theists say "'his makes sense in my worldview because of [bare assertion I just made without evidence] and doesn't make sense in yours because [you don't believe bare assertion I just made without evidence]'
Its always entertaining to hear people try to use science and reason to prove that there's an invisible magical deity with super powers living up there in his invisible magical city.
They use science to prove scientific laws are wrong. You can trust their conclusion because they used what they call "science." I'm seeing a pattern.I love how science can be true and then a complete lie within the same paragraph.
@@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779 Help me be an intellectually satisfied atheist by posting a reference(s) to where it has been demonstrated how the 6 basic elements of life separated themselves from the 98 naturally occurring elements to arrange themselves into dna, rna, amino acids, proteins, phospholipid membranes etc; Without the influence of intelligence.
@@vernonchitlen8958 No problem. Billions of years and natural processes. Life was only single-celled organisms for 300 million years. It took 300 million years of natural processes to allow the first multicellular organism to emerge. It was about a billion years after the first life emerged that DNA began to emerge. It started as A, then millions of years later became A-T...it evolved. Everything evolved through time and thoroughly understood natural processes. The first organisms were extremely primitive, and they required nearly 10 billion years of natural processes. Everything emerged from simplicity. Any complexity required vast amounts of time and natural processes. Nothing about any of the evidence suggests a hint of purpose, much less design.
@@nathanmiller9918 Right, when the intelligence of scientists here and now cannot make the 6 elements do what you claim, even having working models to duplicate.
Since Jason doesn’t understand that not all people can trust their minds because of chemical reactions or bad wiring he over estimates the ability of this argument to convince people
9:11 this might be too simple for some people but I view loss of a loved one or close person as "they're no longer suffering so I must accept this loss and move on." This has applied to family dying from cancer, those in my squad being killed, illness, suicide (intentional and unintentional), and loss of fur family. Anything else seems just self induced suffering. While I can both empathize and sympathize with those thoughts and emotions, I find it more productive on focusing on accepting the loss and that there's nothing I can do about it. Experience the emotions, learn from it, and move on. No multiple page book necessary.
Something I heard from the RUclipsr big Joel that I find adds something to this is the idea that god thinks and is rational. As an all-knowing god he doesn’t need to think, he simply knows. Thinking and using logic requires missing information, so an all-knowing omniscient being would have no need to think or use logic or reason. So we as thinking reasoning beings are in a sense the opposite of god.
"God is rational" is such a weird thing to say about a guy who creates humans he knows will end up in Hell, only to subvert that expectation by creating himself as a human as his own son and then killing himself/his son so that he can let sinners into heaven. And then he still doesn't let all sinners into heaven! The Abrahamic God is the Rube Goldberg of deities.
It's kinda sad, honestly. It's right down there on the same level as "my dad can beat up your dad". Snot-nosed manchild going 'NUH-UH MY 'MAJNAREE FREN SO _IS_ RATIONAL" Always makes me want to call up their parents to let them know where they let their kid wander off to. And then slap them for not using birth control.
Rube Goldberg indeed, but with the caveat that at least Goldberg's designs and creations WORKED, unlike so often with the god of the bible. It is rather interesting that the god of the bible, when faced with problems (a maximally powerful diety having issues with its own creation is strange in and of itself and doesn't speak particularly well to its supposed design and creation prowess), rather than just fix them with its purported immense power and wisdom, instead comes up with these complex, convoluted schemes which usually don't address the problem or end in utter failure.
What a duo! The best of the bests concentrated in 19:26min of pure logic and de-bullshitting creationist rhetoric. My sincere love to these ape brothers
Saying "evolution is random" is like saying a coin sorter is random, and the pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters all just happen to get sorted out randomly. Natural Selection is a filter.
Regarding the "spilled milk" (bad) analogy: Natural selection repeats the filtering process until some mass on the planet happens to be intelligent. The "intelligent" mass (humans) on Earth is roughly 0.00000008% of Earth's total mass. Intelligence is rare, but eventually, natural selection will arrive at intelligence. The milk has neither sufficient mass or time to achieve intelligence.
thx for another great vid. love both you guys for your thought out views. also given me a new book to look out for, will have to go buy a few copies for my local hospital.
I binged the whole playlist. The way you broke the creationist videos down so you could have experts talk about specific points. I am already a fan of some of the experts who contributed but now I have a list of others that I need to have a look at.
Maybe a good video clip for this is Sledgehammer saying, 'Trust me... I know what I'm doing.' Especially the scene where he says it before attempting(and failing) to disarm a nuclear bomb.
@@bryanreed742 Or the scene of a destroyed New York(from Beneath the Planet of the Apes) and the Chief's voice yelling, 'Haaaammmmeeeer!' I understand that they thought the series wouldn't be renewed, so they thought they'd end it with a ban.
It’s just a muppet-song/video called “Phenomenon” that we all loved as kids in the 80’s… which is why it popped up as soon as he said the word phenomenon.
This video would be perfect to help young people realize that you don't have to be Sheldon Copper to be a physicist. He should be worried about having his degree recalled.
Anyone who talks about you not being 'consistent in your worldview' is moments away from telling you that they are right because God told them they are right.
Just had a thought about "free will": if there is indeed a God who interacts (at times) with his creation, then how can I be sure that God isn't interfering with my thought processes right now, meaning that any choice I might make based on those thought processes may not be truly free? If Christians say, "God wouldn't do that," I would say, "He did with Pharoah, and Judas Iscariot." How do I know that God isn't "hardening my heart" in order to bring about some future event that presumably gives him glory but leaves me being roasted for all eternity?
I've made claim before, if you watch the actions of my Roomba, you would have no reason to think it does not have free will. I only have to tell it to vacuum the living room, and it goes out there and chooses how it will do it. It never does the exact same thing twice. When it's bin gets full, it goes back to the base and empties, and will recharge if it decides the battery is too low, and then when it's recharged and empty, will go back out to the living room and continue the job, picking up where it left off. Now, in what way does that look "programmed" or otheriwse contrary to free will? It's making decisions all over the place. The only place where programming comes into play is in that I have to tell it clean the living room. But now assume there is a mechanism for it to make that decision on its own? It's a robot (by defintiion) but its behavior looks indisitnguishable from this "free will" thing. Apparent free will. Sure, that's what we have. But that means nothing in reality. How do I know that the decisions I make are no less programmed than those of my Roomba? PS I really like the Roomba i7+ --> the j7 looks to be even cooler but we aren't needing an upgrade
The more I listen to these apologists, the more sad and desperate they seem. I’d say, “Poor things,” but a lot of them are bent on destroying the world and gutting democracy. So. There’s that.
6:50. What’s Stephen’s question-begging logical fallacy? Upon what source of information does he rely that tells him the Bible is not accurate? Evolution? Darwin? Textual critics? His own intuition? The Bible is in error because ______ says it’s in error?
You guys do a really good job with this stuff, though it has to be a bit annoying to react to the same tired old fallacies over and over. They have never been able to provide a reasonable argument for the existence of a god, so it's always some combination of strawman arguments, red herrings, shifting the burden of proof, etc. When it comes to the evolution red herring, which is exactly what it is, I just pull the rug out from under them. "Okay Evolutionary theory is wrong. Now, make an argument for a god." *crickets* Truth is: If they applied the same critical thinking skills to their own world view as they do Evolution, they'd be atheists.
The exhausting repetition is part of the strategy. Tire out the people fighting back, make them give up, so you can cram bullshit into law and schools and everything else unchecked. Which is why we _CAN'T_ stop fighting these bastards. They need sane people to give up, because they can't win otherwise. It's hard to keep at it for us because _we care_ about the truth and they don't. It's easy to lie constantly and they get amusement from out frustration. Another part of their strategy is to take what I just said and repeat it back to themselves with the roles reversed. It's like arguing with _particularly dumb asshole children._ Tiresome^2
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive have you ever found any actual evidence that your god belief is correct? Or is your entire understanding based in the same flawed understanding of existence that every other theist is trapped within?
Lol not that i dont agree, but the standard response is: "if evolution is false, then the only possible explanation is god." Dont expect these people to become rational in the face of a challenge.
I’m at 6 mins and I can’t finish this. I can not listen to someone claim that Yahweh, the god of the Bible is rational. What rational being depends on genocide as an answer to a problem… Repeatedly… No, the god of the Bible BY DEFINITION is not rational.
I mean **teeeeeeechnically** "remove everyone who you don't like" is a perfectly workable solution for the problem of "there are people over there I don't like". ...You know, if you're a *sociopath.* XD Which, we are assured, their god is not, because he's "all loving". (pay no attention to the genocides and eternal torture dimensions, obviously)
17:20 He admits that even would be Christians have to "trust their minds" before they can "know God" then decides without evidence that a post hoc rationalization on the reliability of rationality and the mind being based on God is somehow "vindication". It doesn't remove the fact that one pretty much trusts their minds in order to even be Christian which makes for a heck of a crircular argument.
Excellent work with the muppet joke Paul. I did a spit take all over my keyboard. I'm not sure how many will get the reference, but I loved it. Thank you Keep up the great work.
@@Paulogia Creaky blinder also does it. I had always gone, in my head, "doop doo de doo doo" whenever I heard someone say the word "Phenomenon". Ever since my little brother sang that song when he was 3 or 4, more than 45 years ago. Luckily the word "phenomenon" is not a commonly used word.
"The Poseidon believer has an explanation for the tides of the ocean, if you spill milk on the ground they don't have tides, they just sit there, clearly you need Poseidon to make the tides"
I doubt Lisle would accept this but it's the same thing he's saying.
You're just not spilling enough milk. Spill a _lot_ more and you'll have those tides. They might even be more powerful, as the Milk might resonate with the Cheese of the Moon.
Rationality Rules and Paulogia in a single video. That's a power double billing.
The crossover levels are over 9000
Love the Muppet cuts, great job guys. Thanks again for the content
Ok. That "phenomenon" followed by Muppets tune was comedy genius.
It's gold, Jerry, gold!
Thank you
@@Paulogia It's what always happens in my head whenever I hear the word. :3
@@Rei-Rei Yep!
It was phenomenal, if I may say so.
I'm that way whenever someone says "The Bible says" and the Jesus loves me jingle! Seriously, shouldn't ALL religious debates begin there? With clarifying the debaters' positions on sacred texts? If the final word is the Bible or Qur'an, then there's no conversation to be had.
I was a professional magician for 20 years, more than long enough to know we should NOT trust our minds!
Derren Brown is awesome for this.
@@Cheepchipsable Yes, he is!
Then you can’t trust your own statement about not trusting our minds.
@@Psalm1968 You are correct! And to further blow your mind, it's more complicated than that!
@@BruceCarroll Is it now, Bruce! If _your mind_ had anything to do with that claim, I ought to rather believe things could be a lot simpler than you suggest, unless of course your mind has _the_ proper perspective on reality!
normally paul just plays the "for the bible tells me so" jingle right after someone says something circular so i kept waiting for it and then it finally dropped like the beat in a song and i almost cheered out loud before i remembered my partner is in a meeting right now. apparently i'm just trained now to hear someone say "the bible told me" and immediately want paul's little jingle after it.
I tend to play it in my mind every time I hear "The Bible Tells Me So".
Love the crossovers. Stephen is great. Hope to see more of you two together. Hoping we're going to see one with Alex soon too. 🤞
Paulogia will need to cover veganism for Alex to be on.
yeah I really love how he thinks trans women shouldn't compete in women's sports
@@sangieredwolf He admitted he was wrong about that long ago. Get a grip
@@David34981 no he didn’t. He said he wrong to say it but was right about the science. Demanded he was right about while ignoring that the science isn’t in fact settled on the matter. Also he completely ignored the multiple fallacies in his original anti-trans rant. But our favorite atheists are giving him a pass, so…
I haven't watched any of you're videos lately and I apologize Paul. I just love the fact I can randomly start watching again and never be disappointed in you're videos. Always great work!!
Welcome back!
My wife and I have been inserting 'doot dooooo be-doo doo' after every 'phenomenon' we hear (or use) for yeeeeears. Seeing you you use it gives me a sense of vindication I can't really express clearly...😂
Stephen is a terrific guy. Really enjoy his content.
'Sometimes Illness Wins' is the kind of profoundly important book that can unfortunately spend a long time in the wilderness before recieving the recognition they deserve.
Likewise... Discworld is a fine companion to grief... GNU Sir Terry Pratchett.
I love the team-ups and crossovers! Keep them coming!!!
It's like the MCU, or xmen comics in the 90s. Ug. I'm a nerd.
Every time I hear the little "For the Bible tells me so" piano I can't help but also hear the Can Can Dance too, haha.
A musical theme from Offenbach's "Le Gaite Pariesienne." Look it up on YT. It's quite an exuberant, cheerful tune.
Great. I'll never unhear that now.
Rationality Rules has such a smooth buttery voice. I love listening to the guy
A good test of the reasoning capability of a sapient human mind simply requires the presence of another, independent sapient human. It's called "how many fingers am I holding up?" If an individual calls out the same number of fingers that you perceive that you hold up, the test concludes with the outcome that either both of you are unable to sense objective reality yet coincidentally imagined the same outcome, or both of you, in fact, can perceive objective reality in the same manner.
If we were made in gods image, we would be completely undetectable!
It always makes me chuckle when people trying to make a case for the existence of libertarian free will say things like "rationality requires that we can consider all the options, and freely choose the best one".
That's the thing -- you can ONLY choose the one that's the best for you in the exact situation you're in. To do anything else would be irrational. Which means either people can choose to be irrational (which goes against his whole point), or they can ONLY be rational (which means there is no actual free will being exercised).
I really enjoyed you two gentle-apes exposing Jason as a dishonest apologist. Rationality Rules was a great choice for guest Paulogia.
Jason on chemistry: chemicals have no choice, they follow laws of nature. The chemicals must fizz
Jason on evolution: it's chance, completely random.
I wonder why ppl nickname him Dr. Liar
And he keeps saying that the brain is just a series of chemical reactions that are not conscious, so how can they produce consciousness? His explanation is...magic? There is a term called 'emergance'. Emergence is something being more than the sum of its parts. This is a common phenomenon. The answer to his question is, "Consciousness is an emergant property of the brain."
@@breckhollis1089 yeah a handful of Christians dont think emergent properties are possible
A transistor has no choice, it just switches according to the laws of nature. A calculator must therefore have an external silicone soul in order to perform calculations.
@@Reactordrone
Of course they do. So do computers. How else would you program an AI?
@@MK-Ultra0 with a series of if-statements. Duh!
My mind doesn't tell me things. I am my mind. Separating "me" from my "mind" is gibberish. People ARE their minds, their minds don't "tell" them things.
Absolutely love the Muppet reference. One of my favorite skits.
You have a couple of times said that “one minut represent around an hours work.” So i am really thankfull for the 19. Hours and 26 minuts worth of work. You are a Beast.
Love seeing two of my favourite creators together. Keep up the good work, my friends 👍
That muppets joke had me rolling.
This is what happens when a failed scientist, whom no one takes seriously, gives up on reasoning and claims he knows the source of reasoning.
Edit: for those of you who encounter presupps in the comments sections, the appropriate means of engaging these eels is not to, but the fun way is to simply say “toast”.
+1 for the inclusion of the most correct response to presups.
Or tell Darth you have a question from your friend Jack Angstreich.
You two are my absolute favorites! You're the one-two punch to theists when it comes to philosophy and historicity.
I think that is the funniest things I've heard. Paul's arguments are only good if you are anti-god and want them to be good.
@@jamiehudson3661 I’m sorry you feel that way. Whenever you want to find your way out, we’re here for you.
@@JM-us3fr That's the second funniest thing I've ever heard.
This is what passes as an expert in philosophy and history to atheists.hahaha.
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive No, experts in philosophy and history would be people like Graham Oppy or Bart Ehrman (who have both been on Paul's show before). Thankfully, most theists have such bad arguments that even amateurs like Stephen or Paul can refute them.
WITH ALL THE CIRCULAR REASONING PUT FORTH BY JASON, IT IS A WONDER HE CAN KEEP HIS BALANCE. HE WOULD MAKE A GOOD ASTRONAUT WITH THAT INNER EAR
“You are a beast, my dude”. Totally stealing this
Paulogia and Rationality Rules all in the same video. It cannot get better than this.
Throw in Alex and Drew, and you have the Four Horsemen of Counter-Apologetics.
The quick transition scene just after 7:42 is greatly appreciated!
At 10:35 or so, Stephen talks about mutations being at the core of natural selection. I'd quibble that he really should have said "variation." Natural selection can push a population towards some more favorable configuration extremely quickly, much faster than mutations would allow, by exploiting pre-existing variations within the starting population. (This is especially true for complex creatures; for viruses and bacteria, mutations are indeed a first order driver). Mutations certainly are important to evolution for complex species too, but only in the much longer time horizon that, say, than the time scale that produced Darwin's finches.
This can be seen in selective breeding. One can quickly drive a population of plants or animals towards some desired outcome, but it will quickly plateau. The way out of it is to introduce "fresh blood" outside of that inbreed gene pool to mix things up and then selectively breed them again, hoping to push out the boundary a bit before hitting a plateau again.
Thank you, Stephen and Paul, for the dilemma AND the earworm!!!
You're both great, thank~you!
What a team!! Nice one lads
Is your promo for the book sometimes illness wins available as a standalone clip? I'd love to share it with our local secular group.
I love it when theists say "'his makes sense in my worldview because of [bare assertion I just made without evidence] and doesn't make sense in yours because [you don't believe bare assertion I just made without evidence]'
4:34 - I chuckled a little too hard at this 😂
Phenomena doo doooo doo doo doo 🎶
That got me too 🤣🤣
“Here comes the jingle” should be a catchphrase, to be used whenever one of these liars, formerly known as apologists, is about to speak.
Its always entertaining to hear people try to use science and reason to prove that there's an invisible magical deity with super powers living up there in his invisible magical city.
They use science to prove scientific laws are wrong. You can trust their conclusion because they used what they call "science." I'm seeing a pattern.I love how science can be true and then a complete lie within the same paragraph.
@@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779 Help me be an intellectually satisfied atheist by posting a reference(s) to where it has been demonstrated how the 6 basic elements of life separated themselves from the 98 naturally occurring elements to arrange themselves into dna, rna, amino acids, proteins, phospholipid membranes etc; Without the influence of intelligence.
@@vernonchitlen8958 No problem. Billions of years and natural processes. Life was only single-celled organisms for 300 million years. It took 300 million years of natural processes to allow the first multicellular organism to emerge. It was about a billion years after the first life emerged that DNA began to emerge. It started as A, then millions of years later became A-T...it evolved. Everything evolved through time and thoroughly understood natural processes.
The first organisms were extremely primitive, and they required nearly 10 billion years of natural processes. Everything emerged from simplicity. Any complexity required vast amounts of time and natural processes. Nothing about any of the evidence suggests a hint of purpose, much less design.
@@nathanmiller9918 Right, when the intelligence of scientists here and now cannot make the 6 elements do what you claim, even having working models to duplicate.
@@vernonchitlen8958 All of the known evidence is oblivious of your incredulity. They also haven't had 10 billion years.
Some first class circular reasoning from JL!
I was told that "Man is the Rational animal." I have since learned that "Man in the Rationalizing animal."
Since Jason doesn’t understand that not all people can trust their minds because of chemical reactions or bad wiring he over estimates the ability of this argument to convince people
Well put
9:11 this might be too simple for some people but I view loss of a loved one or close person as "they're no longer suffering so I must accept this loss and move on."
This has applied to family dying from cancer, those in my squad being killed, illness, suicide (intentional and unintentional), and loss of fur family. Anything else seems just self induced suffering. While I can both empathize and sympathize with those thoughts and emotions, I find it more productive on focusing on accepting the loss and that there's nothing I can do about it. Experience the emotions, learn from it, and move on. No multiple page book necessary.
The dead do not suffer. Only the living.
Something I heard from the RUclipsr big Joel that I find adds something to this is the idea that god thinks and is rational. As an all-knowing god he doesn’t need to think, he simply knows. Thinking and using logic requires missing information, so an all-knowing omniscient being would have no need to think or use logic or reason. So we as thinking reasoning beings are in a sense the opposite of god.
I reject libertarian free will, uphold materialism, I'm convinced of evolution and I'm a secularist-reasonable-atheist.
Thank you for completing the phenomena joke
When the guy said the stupidest thing about the milk I facepalmed so hard I almost hurt myself, what a moron. Great job Stephen! (And Paul)
The fact that they mock the very idea of evolution when they claim to use logic and rationality is quite hysterical and exposes their nothingness.
Loving the crossovers Paul!
Hey i got here early! Hey Paul, i love your videos and i love how you approach them keep it up man ❤️
YAY! BEGGING THE QUESTION!! 😊definitly my favorite sin
"God is rational" is such a weird thing to say about a guy who creates humans he knows will end up in Hell, only to subvert that expectation by creating himself as a human as his own son and then killing himself/his son so that he can let sinners into heaven. And then he still doesn't let all sinners into heaven!
The Abrahamic God is the Rube Goldberg of deities.
It's kinda sad, honestly. It's right down there on the same level as "my dad can beat up your dad". Snot-nosed manchild going 'NUH-UH MY 'MAJNAREE FREN SO _IS_ RATIONAL"
Always makes me want to call up their parents to let them know where they let their kid wander off to. And then slap them for not using birth control.
Rube Goldberg indeed, but with the caveat that at least Goldberg's designs and creations WORKED, unlike so often with the god of the bible. It is rather interesting that the god of the bible, when faced with problems (a maximally powerful diety having issues with its own creation is strange in and of itself and doesn't speak particularly well to its supposed design and creation prowess), rather than just fix them with its purported immense power and wisdom, instead comes up with these complex, convoluted schemes which usually don't address the problem or end in utter failure.
What a duo! The best of the bests concentrated in 19:26min of pure logic and de-bullshitting creationist rhetoric. My sincere love to these ape brothers
Thanks for doing this
Can't believe you got the man resposible for coining consept of rationaly himself 🎉
Ok Paul you played the sound in my head and I love it! Do doo do do do do do do dooo
Ha
@@Paulogia you should collab with majesty of reason. He is a cool guy
People say the Bible is the word of God but it's people saying it, not God.
And no one actually knows who wrote the books
The amount of deceitfulness in keeping people convinced is astounding.
Saying "evolution is random" is like saying a coin sorter is random, and the pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters all just happen to get sorted out randomly. Natural Selection is a filter.
Regarding the "spilled milk" (bad) analogy: Natural selection repeats the filtering process until some mass on the planet happens to be intelligent. The "intelligent" mass (humans) on Earth is roughly 0.00000008% of Earth's total mass. Intelligence is rare, but eventually, natural selection will arrive at intelligence. The milk has neither sufficient mass or time to achieve intelligence.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears "do dodod do" whenever someone says "phenomenon"
I didn't before this video and now I can't unhear it so... thats great lol
thx for another great vid. love both you guys for your thought out views. also given me a new book to look out for, will have to go buy a few copies for my local hospital.
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This was *supposed* to be the “Information Age”. Instead, it’s the “Dunning-Kruger Era”. 🤦🏼♂️
They act like science can be done in 15 minutes. Literally.
Phenomenal.
Do-doo do-do do.
I binged the whole playlist. The way you broke the creationist videos down so you could have experts talk about specific points. I am already a fan of some of the experts who contributed but now I have a list of others that I need to have a look at.
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Lol phenomena gag got me rolling 😂
13:15 "and that seems viciously circular" this guy wouldn't know circular if a plate smacked him in the head.
Maybe a good video clip for this is Sledgehammer saying, 'Trust me... I know what I'm doing.' Especially the scene where he says it before attempting(and failing) to disarm a nuclear bomb.
The best part was that it was a cliffhanger, and when they came back it was "Sledge Hammer: The Early Years"
@@bryanreed742 Or the scene of a destroyed New York(from Beneath the Planet of the Apes) and the Chief's voice yelling, 'Haaaammmmeeeer!'
I understand that they thought the series wouldn't be renewed, so they thought they'd end it with a ban.
Great video. Love the collaboration. Disappointed that I don’t get the muppet-type reference.
Me too
It’s just a muppet-song/video called “Phenomenon” that we all loved as kids in the 80’s… which is why it popped up as soon as he said the word phenomenon.
Doc Lisle is an astrophysicist which makes his opinion of evolution as valid as any other creationist layman, which is to say not at all.
This video would be perfect to help young people realize that you don't have to be Sheldon Copper to be a physicist. He should be worried about having his degree recalled.
Belief in a God looks a lot like a drug addiction to me.
Anyone who talks about you not being 'consistent in your worldview' is moments away from telling you that they are right because God told them they are right.
One of the best of your videos. Thanks.
God damnit! I hate how much how I love that Muppets skit. I keep forgetting what he's talking about.
I love the phenomena jingle.
Paulogia I would love to see a discussion between you and Tim Keller. Your videos challenge my faith and his videos keep me back.
There’s no circular reasoning we are simply arguing by first principle and depends on your axioms.
Good stuff! 🙂👍
Also, I love your collabs, but hate how little you speak in a lot of these. I'm here for you mang.
This is a good companion work to those Gutsick Gibbon videos. Calming, interesting talk.
matching reality with ancient folklore is a hard task..amen
Just had a thought about "free will": if there is indeed a God who interacts (at times) with his creation, then how can I be sure that God isn't interfering with my thought processes right now, meaning that any choice I might make based on those thought processes may not be truly free? If Christians say, "God wouldn't do that," I would say, "He did with Pharoah, and Judas Iscariot." How do I know that God isn't "hardening my heart" in order to bring about some future event that presumably gives him glory but leaves me being roasted for all eternity?
One of many reasons as to why it isnt even a coherent concept.
Exactly. We wouldn’t know and this we can’t really say there is free will. Especially with this whole “divine plan” assumption.
I don't know about you, but my mind is clearly being controlled by the devil 😇
Welcome to soft calvinism, just ignore all the problems it generates and keep playing that tithe.
I've made claim before, if you watch the actions of my Roomba, you would have no reason to think it does not have free will. I only have to tell it to vacuum the living room, and it goes out there and chooses how it will do it. It never does the exact same thing twice. When it's bin gets full, it goes back to the base and empties, and will recharge if it decides the battery is too low, and then when it's recharged and empty, will go back out to the living room and continue the job, picking up where it left off.
Now, in what way does that look "programmed" or otheriwse contrary to free will? It's making decisions all over the place.
The only place where programming comes into play is in that I have to tell it clean the living room. But now assume there is a mechanism for it to make that decision on its own? It's a robot (by defintiion) but its behavior looks indisitnguishable from this "free will" thing.
Apparent free will. Sure, that's what we have. But that means nothing in reality. How do I know that the decisions I make are no less programmed than those of my Roomba?
PS I really like the Roomba i7+ --> the j7 looks to be even cooler but we aren't needing an upgrade
The more I listen to these apologists, the more sad and desperate they seem. I’d say, “Poor things,” but a lot of them are bent on destroying the world and gutting democracy. So. There’s that.
I was going to say - why don't we just ignore these idiots?
but then I prob wouldn't have had such a good laugh this morning!
well done fellas
6:50. What’s Stephen’s question-begging logical fallacy? Upon what source of information does he rely that tells him the Bible is not accurate? Evolution? Darwin? Textual critics? His own intuition? The Bible is in error because ______ says it’s in error?
8:00 - I've always loved Africa, and I'm more than content to die here. Just wish we could get stuff like this here.
Theists do love that phrase "viciously circular". If only because they get to excuse their actual circular reasoning as "virtuous".
Jason lisle should be the cartoon, he so easily overlooks creationist using the bible to prove the bible is circular reasoning.
You guys do a really good job with this stuff, though it has to be a bit annoying to react to the same tired old fallacies over and over. They have never been able to provide a reasonable argument for the existence of a god, so it's always some combination of strawman arguments, red herrings, shifting the burden of proof, etc. When it comes to the evolution red herring, which is exactly what it is, I just pull the rug out from under them. "Okay Evolutionary theory is wrong. Now, make an argument for a god." *crickets* Truth is: If they applied the same critical thinking skills to their own world view as they do Evolution, they'd be atheists.
The exhausting repetition is part of the strategy. Tire out the people fighting back, make them give up, so you can cram bullshit into law and schools and everything else unchecked.
Which is why we _CAN'T_ stop fighting these bastards. They need sane people to give up, because they can't win otherwise. It's hard to keep at it for us because _we care_ about the truth and they don't. It's easy to lie constantly and they get amusement from out frustration.
Another part of their strategy is to take what I just said and repeat it back to themselves with the roles reversed. It's like arguing with _particularly dumb asshole children._ Tiresome^2
More like the atheist and their denial
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive have you ever found any actual evidence that your god belief is correct? Or is your entire understanding based in the same flawed understanding of existence that every other theist is trapped within?
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive Got em! *airhorns*
When lacking evidence, instead of providing it just insult instead lol. Hmmm I wonder why that might be.
Lol not that i dont agree, but the standard response is: "if evolution is false, then the only possible explanation is god."
Dont expect these people to become rational in the face of a challenge.
Where's Carl Sagan when you need him?
Some time ago he came down with a nasty case of death. He's staying isolated for the time being but so far his condition hasn't improved.
These people scare the crap out of me.
I think Paul needs a new jingle to go along with "For the Bible tells me so", called: "But that means I'm not special."
I’m at 6 mins and I can’t finish this. I can not listen to someone claim that Yahweh, the god of the Bible is rational. What rational being depends on genocide as an answer to a problem…
Repeatedly…
No, the god of the Bible BY DEFINITION is not rational.
I mean **teeeeeeechnically** "remove everyone who you don't like" is a perfectly workable solution for the problem of "there are people over there I don't like".
...You know, if you're a *sociopath.* XD Which, we are assured, their god is not, because he's "all loving". (pay no attention to the genocides and eternal torture dimensions, obviously)
Unless they have iron chariots. Then the obvious answer is run away
So our capacity for rationality was made by God in his image? I thought we had to eat from the forbidden tree to get that.
17:20 He admits that even would be Christians have to "trust their minds" before they can "know God" then decides without evidence that a post hoc rationalization on the reliability of rationality and the mind being based on God is somehow "vindication". It doesn't remove the fact that one pretty much trusts their minds in order to even be Christian which makes for a heck of a crircular argument.
Every video is better when Dwight makes a cameo.
Phenomena!
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
Excellent work with the muppet joke Paul. I did a spit take all over my keyboard. I'm not sure how many will get the reference, but I loved it. Thank you
Keep up the great work.
Ha. Thanks
@@Paulogia Creaky blinder also does it.
I had always gone, in my head, "doop doo de doo doo" whenever I heard someone say the word "Phenomenon". Ever since my little brother sang that song when he was 3 or 4, more than 45 years ago. Luckily the word "phenomenon" is not a commonly used word.