Very insightful conversation! Thank you! On God's introduction of risk (very interesting concept), and free will, and applicable to everyone functioning in the first person frame (especially artists) with a good intention, and yet ignorant or partially ignorant of reality: there is no certainty in the creative process. Where there is uncertainty, there are creative choices. And ambiguity, besides being considered as a constraint , it could become subject of discovery and object for furthering the process. Thus creators, in their own way, they worship God.
I love Jordan's willingness to explain and explore the logic of the reality of the Christ. That he is willing to incorporate rather than bypass the intellect resonates with my own sense of consilience on all levels of experience. He might Love the late Jonael Schickler's work "Metaphysics as Christology: An Odyssey of the Self from Kant and Hegel to Steiner."
Appreciated this conversation, guys. Has anyone heard if Jordan Hall is ok? The area of NC where he lives was devastated by the Hurricane Helene flooding.
"Experienced theologians were struck by the profoundity of Steiner’s conception of Christ, and Rittelmeyer gives us an account of a lecture on Christ given by Steiner to a group of theologians. ‘I realized then’, Rittelmeyer narrates, ‘how a man in the very presence of Christ speaks of Christ. There was something more than devotional reverence in his words. In freedom and reverence a man was looking up to Christ whose presence was quite near. . . . The many hundreds of sermons I had heard about Christ came up in the background of my mind. They faded into shadows . . .’ Rittelmeyer himself was considered one of the greatest German preachers of the day. In later years the Gospels were to become one of the most important foundations of Steiner’s teaching, and this even resulted in the establishment of a new Church. In Steiner’s opinion the life of Christ was the main event in the history of the world, and everything before Christ nothing but a spiritual preparation for the crowning event in His life." (Rom Landau)
@@parallax_media 'The Point of Existence' is a great place to start, at least, it was for me at the time this work was recommended to me. The theme of narcissism flows nicely into aspects of the above exchange. 'The Pearl Beyond Price' is the other book by Almaas that, perhaps, speaks more to the original question.
Yes and no, or both/and. 'Meditations on the Tarot' is, of course, influenced by Steiner, but it is much richer and, if you don't mind me saying, reflective and, indeed, practical than Steiner across a number of levels and domains. I love both of them, btw. Fr. Bede Griffiths offers something of a bridge between these men; his final visions (as related by Andrew Harvey) are worthy of investigation.
@@phoenixkennedy5927 You bet. Tomberg was a student of Rudolf Steiner . Tomberg's Christology and cosmology were in continuum with Steiner's work. Here Jordan refers to a work Meditations on the Tarot, that is rooted in Steiner cosmology/astrology and Christology. Steiner is in fact a strong presence in this particular work.
Since he was a devout Catholic, it would probably be easier to make the case that he adhered to a more Henri DeLubak, Jean Corbon, Thomas Merton, and most of all, Pierre DeChardain Christology.
@@yaean He felt that Steiner's Spiritual Science was no doable in practice. I think he did not take into account Steiner's epistemology on this account. I love that Tomberg tried to build bridges between the esoteric realities and the exoterics of the Church. I believe in this kind of thing strongly. As far as general practicality it is hard to find a thinker's work producing more wide ranging practical results in all of the movements that spawned from the good Dr. Thank you for the reference ti Griffiths. I will look into it.
May I humbly suggest that you visit Mr.Gurdjieff.’s grave inAvon, France. You may notice he was buried as a Muslim. Stone at head and foot, no cross nor identification of the person, as I’ve seen in every Muslim country I’ve travelled and /or lived in
The Parallax course “Gurdjieff’s Christianity” provides supporting evidence from Gurdjieff’s own words and life that he was a Christian. The question is what was Gurdjieff’s Christianity?
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Very insightful conversation! Thank you! On God's introduction of risk (very interesting concept), and free will, and applicable to everyone functioning in the first person frame (especially artists) with a good intention, and yet ignorant or partially ignorant of reality: there is no certainty in the creative process. Where there is uncertainty, there are creative choices. And ambiguity, besides being considered as a constraint , it could become subject of discovery and object for furthering the process. Thus creators, in their own way, they worship God.
Long time student in Work.. Great discussion
I love Jordan's willingness to explain and explore the logic of the reality of the Christ. That he is willing to incorporate rather than bypass the intellect resonates with my own sense of consilience on all levels of experience. He might Love the late Jonael Schickler's work "Metaphysics as Christology: An Odyssey of the Self from Kant and Hegel to Steiner."
Appreciated this conversation, guys. Has anyone heard if Jordan Hall is ok? The area of NC where he lives was devastated by the Hurricane Helene flooding.
@@jessicavozel5358 I heard that he and his family are ok
He posted on X that he and his family are safe.
"Experienced theologians were struck by the profoundity of Steiner’s conception of Christ, and Rittelmeyer gives us an account of a lecture on Christ given by Steiner to a group of theologians. ‘I realized then’, Rittelmeyer narrates, ‘how a man in the very presence of Christ speaks of Christ. There was something more than devotional reverence in his words. In freedom and reverence a man was looking up to Christ whose presence was quite near. . . . The many hundreds of sermons I had heard about Christ came up in the background of my mind. They faded into shadows . . .’ Rittelmeyer himself was considered one of the greatest German preachers of the day. In later years the Gospels were to become one of the most important foundations of Steiner’s teaching, and this even resulted in the establishment of a new Church. In Steiner’s opinion the life of Christ was the main event in the history of the world, and everything before Christ nothing but a spiritual preparation for the crowning event in His life." (Rom Landau)
Could you bring on Luke Behncke to present the topic of Higher Souls in Gurdjieffs teaching compared to Esoteric Christianity?
Great topic. Deep. Soul creation is fundamental to Christianity.
Bravo sirs
Thanks, Andrew. I have often thought that Almaas’ work is metaphysically Christian. Thoughts?
Not familiar enough with his work to comment-
@@parallax_media 'The Point of Existence' is a great place to start, at least, it was for me at the time this work was recommended to me. The theme of narcissism flows nicely into aspects of the above exchange. 'The Pearl Beyond Price' is the other book by Almaas that, perhaps, speaks more to the original question.
To invoke Tomberg (sorry, unknown author) is to invoke Rudolf Steiner's Christology.
could you please be slightly more specific? any details or examples? thank you!
Yes and no, or both/and. 'Meditations on the Tarot' is, of course, influenced by Steiner, but it is much richer and, if you don't mind me saying, reflective and, indeed, practical than Steiner across a number of levels and domains. I love both of them, btw. Fr. Bede Griffiths offers something of a bridge between these men; his final visions (as related by Andrew Harvey) are worthy of investigation.
@@phoenixkennedy5927 You bet. Tomberg was a student of Rudolf Steiner . Tomberg's Christology and cosmology were in continuum with Steiner's work. Here Jordan refers to a work Meditations on the Tarot, that is rooted in Steiner cosmology/astrology and Christology. Steiner is in fact a strong presence in this particular work.
Since he was a devout Catholic, it would probably be easier to make the case that he adhered to a more Henri DeLubak, Jean Corbon, Thomas Merton, and most of all, Pierre DeChardain Christology.
@@yaean He felt that Steiner's Spiritual Science was no doable in practice. I think he did not take into account Steiner's epistemology on this account. I love that Tomberg tried to build bridges between the esoteric realities and the exoterics of the Church. I believe in this kind of thing strongly. As far as general practicality it is hard to find a thinker's work producing more wide ranging practical results in all of the movements that spawned from the good Dr. Thank you for the reference ti Griffiths. I will look into it.
Theodore Nottingham would be good to talk to on this
May I humbly suggest that you visit Mr.Gurdjieff.’s grave inAvon, France. You may notice he was buried as a Muslim. Stone at head and foot, no cross nor identification of the person, as I’ve seen in every Muslim country I’ve travelled and /or lived in
The Parallax course “Gurdjieff’s Christianity” provides supporting evidence from Gurdjieff’s own words and life that he was a Christian. The question is what was Gurdjieff’s Christianity?
Y’all ever heard of the Oxford group?
As a member of AA, I’m very grateful to the Oxford group
Please read prayerfully The Real Christ by Bernadette Roberts. Thank you.
I second this.
All of her work is really interesting. The still point and the experience of no self. Good stuff.