Ridiculous is a good way to put it. One player that was so dynamic as a rusher from this class and is easily forgotten is Aldon Smith. But his issues off the field were too much.
Can't wait for JJ Watt to return healthy. He made it look easy. And he would do pass rush moves on purpose when he could have been straight bullrushing when he had those DPOYs. He just got unlucky with injury and now will be able to take advantage of improved supporting cast, a good offense, and those long extra hours of skills work.
Saw the comments about Mack being the best Edge Rusher. Mack is hands down the best OVERALL Edge Defender. He's a beast against the run and the pass but i admit Miller is better as a edge rusher but not as an overall Edge Defender like mack
considering von drops back into coverage, id say von is the better pure player, and OVERALL EDGE DEFENDER von got a 95 score last year where mack got a 92...hmmphh...
Xavier Cortinaz lol mario Edwards hasnt done shit he had a stretch of a couple games where he looked like a stud three years but after that hes been straight garbage. We need interior push if we get that with hurst and pj hall mack will get 20 sacks.
Von Miller has been more consistently spectacular, he's done it for seven years, second fastest to 80 career sacks, only year without 10+ sacks was when he got suspended then blew his ACL. Until Mack does 10+ sacks for every healthy season of his career, he'll always be #2 behind Von Miller. Mack had 4 sacks as a rookie, Miller 11.5. Mack is great, but not in Von's stratosphere.
Nathan Long you're delusional. even the PFF guys say so. Just because you like the saints doesn't mean u have to meet the stereo type of an imbecile. K. Mack is not just better, but BY A BUNCH. 257 pressures to 224 last 3 years. That's over 30 more! LMAO. This ain't me opinion these are facts
Dude, Cam Jordan is only going to "get" better as pieces are added to the Saints D-line. I say "get" better because he's not going to get better as a player but... Once other teams have to account for your Okafors, your Onyematas, dare I say prematurely your Davenports, it's going to open up Jordan in a big way. It was one thing when he was the lone problem. Now he's going to be a bigger deal. If a team focuses on him, they deal with the others. Deal with the others, you deal with Jordan. I half wish we would have gotten Suh, because that would have been a clear game changer because of the combination of him and Jordan, but we are starting to put some talent in those D-line positions. Only problem is injuries...
I've seen film review that points out how often Bosa's success has been in clean-up, and how that will likely make him a "candidate for regression". Have y'all seen any of that?
Khalil Mack is the best You saw the grades @beginning of the show. K.Mack had the better grade 3/4 last years VS Von Miller. K.Mack is able to beat a team with almost no assistance from his secondary.
Mack only dominates weak offensive lines. He disappears against good ones. Miller is the most clutch pass-rusher I've ever seen. He always comes through late in games.
Look at the numbers, oh stunted observation boy. Miller only had 10 sacks last year but he receives more attention, double teams, and RB/TE chips than anyone. Yet he's averaged 85+ QB pressures a year (roughly five a game, only JJ Watt has done that), he's asked to be a strong side backer against the run, sets the edge as well as anyone, and next gen stats show he's the quickest edge rusher and one of the best outside run defenders in the league. When you also factor in that he's a legit elite cover LB you see he's the most complete and disruptive OLB in the league.
So what?mike Thomas has had the most receptions by a receiver in the first two years in the career than any other receiver in NFL history. Do people view him as the no 1 or no 2 receiver? No. Bosa shouldn't be viewed as a top 10-top 5 defensive end in the NFL. He's not at all a player that completely dominates at his position. Certainly helps that he has One of the best pass rushers in the NFL in Melvin Ingram at the other end position.
Cameron Jordan and Brandon Graham are two of the most underrated edge defenders in Football.
Foolish Demon agreed
Brandon Graham is the most underrated pass rusher because he doesn’t get a high number of sacks but he gets a lot of pressures
Cam Jordan is the most underrated edge defender.
I'd agree with the PFF guys 1A. Von Miller 1B. Khalil Mack 3. Cam Jordan.
That 2011 draft produced some of the best pass rushers today.
The 2011 draft was ridiculous. It produced 15 potential HOFers.
Ridiculous is a good way to put it. One player that was so dynamic as a rusher from this class and is easily forgotten is Aldon Smith. But his issues off the field were too much.
Miller hands down, plays big in big games when it matters. Can change the outcome of games.
Chandler Jones was Arizona's Entire Pass Rush last season. How is he not even notarized?
Can't wait for JJ Watt to return healthy. He made it look easy. And he would do pass rush moves on purpose when he could have been straight bullrushing when he had those DPOYs. He just got unlucky with injury and now will be able to take advantage of improved supporting cast, a good offense, and those long extra hours of skills work.
What happend to Chandler Jones?!
Saw the comments about Mack being the best Edge Rusher. Mack is hands down the best OVERALL Edge Defender. He's a beast against the run and the pass but i admit Miller is better as a edge rusher but not as an overall Edge Defender like mack
considering von drops back into coverage, id say von is the better pure player, and OVERALL EDGE DEFENDER von got a 95 score last year where mack got a 92...hmmphh...
Von is much better at pass coverage than Khalil Mack and they're both about the same against the run. What are you talking about?
I completely agree with that statement. I do think VON MILLER is a slightly better pass rusher. MACK is overall a better edge defender.
MACK was an all-pro as an off the ball ROLB so what are any of u talking about??
Might want to check the description, it still has WR in it
Superbowl MVP and longer consistency. Enough said.
Blunt Sensei not to mention he’s way more clutch, he always makes a big play when it’s needed
Hops MT absolutely in the 2011 playoffs he was all over Ben and that 2015 run was a beautiful sight to see. Ben, Brady, then Cam to get the MVP.
Khalil Mack hands down. Plays without any other D-Line help and still dominates games and wins DPOY
Lol Khalil Mack is so overrated. Really? No other help? So Bruce Irvin and Mario Edwards don't exist?
Xavier Cortinaz are you stupid? obviously you are. Mario Edwards is never healthy, and most of Bruce Irvin's sacks come on clean up/broken plays
What about my man Joey Bosa or Melvin Ingram
Xavier Cortinaz lol mario Edwards hasnt done shit he had a stretch of a couple games where he looked like a stud three years but after that hes been straight garbage. We need interior push if we get that with hurst and pj hall mack will get 20 sacks.
Von Miller has been more consistently spectacular, he's done it for seven years, second fastest to 80 career sacks, only year without 10+ sacks was when he got suspended then blew his ACL. Until Mack does 10+ sacks for every healthy season of his career, he'll always be #2 behind Von Miller. Mack had 4 sacks as a rookie, Miller 11.5. Mack is great, but not in Von's stratosphere.
Cam Jordan
Nathan Long lol maybe AFTER Mack
Robert Jackman yeah no
Nathan Long you're delusional. even the PFF guys say so.
Just because you like the saints doesn't mean u have to meet the stereo type of an imbecile.
K. Mack is not just better, but BY A BUNCH. 257 pressures to 224 last 3 years. That's over 30 more!
LMAO. This ain't me opinion these are facts
Robert Jackman love the insults tho
Nathan Long lol real recognize real.
Mack
khalil mack or von miller. point blank period.
Mack duh
ageless wonder cam wake
This was DLaws first year of being fully healthy. Its not can he be a great edge rusher. Its can he remain healthy & that's why he waa tagged imo.
Mike Petro Petty who’s that
Joey Bosa
Where is Justin Houston or even Chandler Jones or Yannick Ngakoue?
What Browns fans hated on Garrett? One you spoke to is not consensus. Browns fans love Myles.
Dude, Cam Jordan is only going to "get" better as pieces are added to the Saints D-line. I say "get" better because he's not going to get better as a player but... Once other teams have to account for your Okafors, your Onyematas, dare I say prematurely your Davenports, it's going to open up Jordan in a big way. It was one thing when he was the lone problem. Now he's going to be a bigger deal. If a team focuses on him, they deal with the others. Deal with the others, you deal with Jordan. I half wish we would have gotten Suh, because that would have been a clear game changer because of the combination of him and Jordan, but we are starting to put some talent in those D-line positions. Only problem is injuries...
Bosa? Ingram?
Chandler Jones should have at least been discussed as he lead the league in sacks
I've seen film review that points out how often Bosa's success has been in clean-up, and how that will likely make him a "candidate for regression". Have y'all seen any of that?
An E Oh good call. That makes more sense.
Calais Campbell is not in his mid thirties.
Mack is a much better run defender so Mack it is
Except for lane Johnson he locked up von Miller didn’t get a sack on Carson wentz
Danielle Hunter 😈
You guys seriously not going to give Yannick Ngakoue the respect he deserves?!?!?!
Christopher Kolombus you're seriously not trying to compare him to mack, watt, miller or donald are you?
Brandon Marshall never compared I said respect.
Who???
Somebody's in their feelings 😂😂😂😂😂
Blunt Sensei just letting you know what's good G. You asked who he was not me.
Mack has the least talent around him. He's never even played with a top 10 no top 15 defense and that's a fact.
He's got it now boi
Until now!!! Chicago will be top 3 defence in the NFL
JB99
Khalil Mack is the best
You saw the grades @beginning of the show. K.Mack had the better grade 3/4 last years VS Von Miller.
K.Mack is able to beat a team with almost no assistance from his secondary.
Mack only dominates weak offensive lines. He disappears against good ones. Miller is the most clutch pass-rusher I've ever seen. He always comes through late in games.
Look at the numbers, oh stunted observation boy. Miller only had 10 sacks last year but he receives more attention, double teams, and RB/TE chips than anyone. Yet he's averaged 85+ QB pressures a year (roughly five a game, only JJ Watt has done that), he's asked to be a strong side backer against the run, sets the edge as well as anyone, and next gen stats show he's the quickest edge rusher and one of the best outside run defenders in the league. When you also factor in that he's a legit elite cover LB you see he's the most complete and disruptive OLB in the league.
He's bout go bananas in the chi there's 3 ppl you have to double every play its bout to get ugly out there
This really only comes down to Joey Bosa and Von Miller. They're in their own separate category.
Xavier Cortinaz boss isn't as good as Mack or cam Jordan
Lmao what has Bosa done to crown him as the best? Get out of here you’re so biased.
Jesus is Lord hes gotten the most sacks ever for a players first 20 games. Hes going to get better
So what?mike Thomas has had the most receptions by a receiver in the first two years in the career than any other receiver in
NFL history. Do people view him as the no 1 or no 2 receiver? No. Bosa shouldn't be viewed as a top 10-top 5 defensive end in the NFL. He's not at all a player that completely dominates at his position. Certainly helps that he has One of the best pass rushers in the NFL in Melvin Ingram at the other end position.
CHANDLER JONES.
Bosa
K Mack get any ten-game suspends?? #52 is the best!!
Jadaveon clowney is better at edge than at LB
This video is stupid, i doubt mack is even as good as joey bosa, he doesn't take over games like Bosa, he will never be that player
Lmao