Why Helena Shaw Ruined Indiana Jones
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Spoiler warning in case you haven't seen the film yet!
I didn’t plan on making a video on Indiana Jones 5, but after seeing it in theaters I had to share my thoughts. As I mention towards the end of the video, there are a lot of issues with the film, but the most prominent and noticeable one lies with the character of Helena Shaw. This video is a bit more of a rant than a video essay, but don't worry, I'm working on a big project that will be out eventually. In the meantime, leave a comment and tell me if you agree or disagree with my thoughts on Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
#indianajones5 #filmreview #phoebewallerbridge
At 1:38 you said “The film picks up with a younger Indiana Jones after the events of the fourth movie.” I think you meant the 3rd one because the opening for Dial of Destiny takes place in 1944 during the fall of the Nazi empire and film 4 is set in 1957.
I appreciate that correction. Yes you are right.
How can it be after the fourth movie, there is no fourth movie.
Indiana Jones is a trilogy of movies, and anything else is just a clumsy cash grab.
@@ultrademigod that's what I heard.
What’s it matter? Anything past Crusade never happened in “my truth” and it’s as simple as that.
And ... no explain cleay why Indi return to Nazi Germany knowing the great danger. In last cruzada he searching his father (and grial) , great reasons. Was Fantastic watching again but... Its weird.
I wanted Helena to meet the same fate most Indiana Jones villains do; killed by the very artefact she so greedily tried to obtain. That would’ve been the best ending.
Nah, they wanted their cake and to eat it as well. So they have her "turn for the good" in the end and suddenly she's no longer interested in commercial gain or self-interest. Even though the plot gives her very little motivation to do so (she suddenly feels bad about how she treated Indy?). Lazy writing for political points. It's the same old thing, the promotion of one group by the denigration and marginalization of another. Bad if you are on one side of the spectrum, heroic if on the other.
So true, but remember Kathleen Kennedy was handling the situation. So will make helena shaw survive and ruin the franchise in return
@@billyedsatiristry7952it’s her god father
That would've been a good idea ngl
hopefully in another movie Helena will get hers
You don't elevate women by tearing down men. That's just spiteful misandry.
That's feminism
You described Kathleen Kennedy. I suspect that she has a major hatred of Lucas and Spielberg and now... She's in a position to poison/destroy/ruin what they made... While insulting "failure fans" for not adoring her latest expensive train wreck of a film like we should. 🤮🤮
Totally agree
@@NuclearFridge1 Indeed. Steven once described how incompetent she was and remember that Steven Spielberg is usually very friendly and polite with his crew and stars. Kathleen saw an opportunity to get revenge. She even forbade George Lucas - the creator himself - from visiting the Indy 5 set. Now that is pretty much revealing,
In the Open Source world a decade ago there was a severe lack of female participation. Their idea was that the problem is *NOT* that women don't like developing, but there are just too many males doing it. Another solution was that making pink artwork for websites, bringing coffee, cleaning up the workspace and answering emails should also be considered "development". Of course, male developers producing code were considered "evil". That is how twisted the woke mind works.
Note that the vast majority of the about 25,000 Open Source projects were one or two person projects, over 95% male. I've been working for years with persons I've never seen or spoken to. We don't need to, we email about code, that's all. So, the arguments that females can't enter a project because of abuse is futile - you can hide behind a handle. There are just not that many females interested in coding. But blame the men, sure.
She's a flat out sociopath. She views other people as nothing more than tools for her personal gain. The old boyfriend used to get a ring and black market connections. Using the hispanic version of short round as her gopher -- who was so forgettable as a character that I genuinely cannot remember his name and I saw the film 3 days ago. But most egregiously using Indy. For his connections. For his status (getting first half of the dial). For comedic relief, putting him down left and right to make herself feel better like she's some middle school bully. She shows no regard for human life, concerning herself only with whether or not someone will be useful to her and not considering them as free thinking humans worthy of respect. Some role model.
ikr #justiceforbogman why did they have to kill him? to let her have her "badass" moment where she's like "im not gunna die for this" rendering his death meaningless?? to let indie watch his good friend die?? bullshite i tell you
Just watched this awful movie. agree. hmm hmm. when >> boat scene - indy says " my old friend just got killed" - she slightly "symphathizes" and then smiled after 2 seconds no remorse at all. there are also multiple shit tons of nonsense going on this movie. the scene where she runs and locks up indy on the university knowingly that he could be killed (guys are carrying a gun and even killed 2 people what is this? ofc we know that indy has a protagonist armor but don't insult us like that like a kid or better yet make it more realistically (where he escapes flawlessly, and then at the ending she decides the fate of indy? GTFO , to be honest all of the major emotional parts where the story is going, im really rooting for the opposite. , Indy staying with archaemedes, - at least he decides it for himself. THE MAN , THE LEGEND.(will be more dramatic IMO - a stretch though). the kid fly a plane through a storm? then knows how to navigate it (SMH), the kid winning on a huge man, the villains teleports to where the protagonists are. how did they get home? there are no runways on the ending just pure unbalance pavement full of rocks and the terrain is obviously on the seaside part! SMH i regret watching this trash.
The saddest thing is that this is what they wanted to replace Indy with, a heartless, soulless narcissistic sociopath. This is what Kathleen Kennedy (and by extension Hollywood) wants us to all look up to.
*rubs hands together* i like money
Helena Shaw is awesome and everything I dreamed for in an Indiana Jones villain. BTW I rewrote Irina Spalko from KOTCS into being a Russian mobster interested in selling the Crystal Skull on the black market for money. Same with Rene Belloq, Walter Donovan and Elsa Schneider, only I rewrote Simon Katanga as Belloq’s employer instead of the Nazis. Monkey Man takes Arnold Toht’s place in my version of that movie. I also rewrote Walter Donovan and Elsa Schneider to where Lucky Luciano is their employer. So yeah.
Kind of terrifying that their idea of a strong female character is blatantly vial. Selling an engagement ring out purely out of greed is straight evil lol.
No worse than engineering a divorce in order to get hands on all a man has slaved for most of his life in the pro-femaie biased divorce courts. It's like this so a nation doesn't have to support a lot of women who get themselves into a bad marital situation and can't support themselves. They press ahead knowing the ex-husband will be forced to maintain a lifestyle they don't deserve and could never have achieved had they not been married.
I was really hoping for Helena to get better as her character arc progressed, but no, she's insufferable till the very end.
You could argue that the actual reason Indy wanted to stay behind in history was to escape his sociopath goddaughter rather than just because he was lonely at home.
I honestly would’ve done the same if I were in Indy’s shoes
The character of Helena has that "I told you so look" on her face throughout the film. Theres nothing in her character that can possibly endear her to the audience.
Completely agree
well here is a thought. if we strap the character to a cage and lower her down in molten lava while shouting "Shakti de, kali ma, kali ma, shakti de, kali ma, hahahahaha" would at the very least entertaining no?
imo endearing
Have her captured by cannibals, butchered, and made into a delicious stew. That fate for the character would make my mouth water. Endearing, maybe not, but perhaps delicious?
You all sound exactly like feminist who complain about "mansplaining". It's pretty funny actually.
I was watching the temple of doom recently and one thing the evil Disney Co will never destroy or take away from me is how those first 3 movies still make me feel when I watch them.
I’ve made the decision not to watch any of these poor imitation movies as they’re not real. There is only 3 Indiana movies
You have chosen wisely...
@@sapr76 If you had watched the last two......You have chosen, poorly!
Wait til Disney "remasters" the first three...
@@JB-ti7bl Yeah, and insert PWB into them to "aid" the original story
For real Indiana Jones ended when he rode off into the sunset at the end of the last Crusade
The biggest problem: KK wants to make a swash buckling female adventurer. But we already have that. Only sexier and cooler. She's called Lara Croft.
Exactly
Watch and wait. PWB is scheduled to take over that franchise too.
@@sder so, you not even once mentioned the flaws of the first 3 movies, cos that don't fit your agenda??
@@hyllaflol you are the one with the agenda. All movies have flaws. Not all movies destroy beloved franchises by being obtusely and purposefully terrible.
@@wisdomsdoorstep jesus wept
Worst part of the movie is when Sallah goes "I wanna come with you, I miss the adventures."
And Indiana basically just goes, "Nah, Helena is the star of this movie. You're just a person everyone else would rather see, but this is diverse."
That part broke my heart.. Like when I saw the trailer and saw his character in it I was so thrilled and thought he'd be in some part of the adventure but he wasn't. Like he pretty much spent the time in there for nostalgia to the point of his character telling the stories to his grandkids the adventures...
yeah. that is big time disappointing. We love Sallah
If Rey- sorry I mean Helena were somehow revealed as the mastermind villain, that may have actually saved the movie. I so badly wanted to see her get some sort of comeuppance for essentially setting the events of the movie in motion; stealing the Dial and leading Indy on that wild goose chase, not getting into any real trouble along the way, and then setting everything right all by herself. She set it up and knocked it down, all the while being an unapologetic soldier of fortune. Disgusting.
Not only that, her trying to trick Indy in the beginning costed some of his own teacher peers to get killed. And the movie doesn’t mention it again. Like he just saw their bodies and nothing else to it. That’s traumatic af
it wont last. cant see them doing much in future without harrison ford even if they didnt do it the way they did. the way they did it now will just kill the franchise off faster
I honestly thought that she was the villain, she even acted like it the entire time, the movie just tried to give us the perspective that she wasn't while she really was.
Well at least Rey’s not as dislikable as this one.
She is literally Loki in this film (I mean the actual God not, Marvel's)
I hate when they try to force an actress or actor down your throat
agreed
You only hate it when you don't like the actor. When you like the actor you don't realise they push that actor down your throat as you happily swallowed it.
Zendaya, Aquafina, Julia Styles, Henry Cavill, Idris Alba, The Rock, etc.
Yeah, she wish, but unfortunately, she don't have a d***
This is only her first role in a blockbuster. How are they trying to "force her down your throat"?
@@Lalo-dh8xq by the piss poor way she was written. Super woke and toxic feminist that's how.
How is she not the villain?
That would have worked better
I think most viewers, women and men alike, would agree that she is an ambiguous character at best - certainly not the new hero to carry this franchise into the future - if that was Kennedy’s plan. If this film is struggling at the box office, imagine how #6 w/o Harrison Ford would fare. I wonder if Disney will dare to give it a try.
@@sder Wasn't it established in all previous existing real Indiana Jones movies that the side-characters who double-cross Indiana Jones and try to have him killed, all end up *dying in horrible ways themselves?*
if as reported, Mary-sue jones actually tries to kill Indiana multiple times during this imposter of a movie, isn't it logical *SHE should die a horrible, gruesome yet strangely satisfying death?*
@@stevieray6216 Indiana Jones 6 will be the biggest hit in the history of the franchise if pwb's character spends the first 10 minutes of it dying a horrible death and leaving the rest of the film for the one true Indiana to pass off the mantle of adventurer/explorer to a worthy successor, Short Round.
Makes me happy Sound of Freedom is whipping it's ass
Insufferable sounds about right. Glad Disney is going to pay a big financial price for the lesson that unless they make entertaining movies for the audience, don't expect the audience to just show up.
Disney is so engrained in its ways that I imagine people will eventually turn away from the major studios altogether. They’ll ride the agenda train all the way to their own destruction. But we shall see.
KK should step out ASAP
Incredibly they don't seem to care. Their mission has become spreading the message, not making $$$.
@@neonnoodle1169with the help of ESG, which is far more lucrative
@@sderInside Out 2, 1 billion dollars at the box-office. You were saying?
So heartbreaking...I wish we could get our hands on the "Dial of Destiny" and go back in time to before this film was made and prevent it from happening :(
Sad With her. What has happened to American manhood?
@@marknewton6984 I believe she ruined the movie, I know, at least for me. But Harrison Ford will always be my favorite actor. Indiana Jones is my favorite character. I wanted those images of Indiana Jones as the young strong man he was in the 80s. Don’t mess with perfection. I didn’t listen to reviews before I went. My mistake 🫣. I can’t “unsee” it now.
Speaking of time travel: Donyou get the impression from the film that maybe these events have played out with Helena and Indy before? There are a few scenes that suggest it 🤔
@@Thunderroc18 Boy, if so, I didn’t catch any of that. The younger Indiana would have been in control.
"Destruction of a beloved character's legacy" really sums of Disney's MO. Why do they look at characters like Indiana Jones or Luke Skywalker--character who represent fundamental goodness, bravery, etc.--and feel that they need to tear them down? It's really mind boggling. They only have a few chances to get the stories "right," and they just muck it up every time.
It’s almost like they do it on purpose. 🤔
Because they're whiite heterosexual men.
“ doesn’t care about indie, she just wants to be in control” that’s modern feminism in a nutshell.
In this case, ONE feminist...Kennedy....
me when I miss the entire point of a character
Yep that pretty much sums up the whole bloody lot of them!
If she didn’t care about anything, why did she want to set things straight with him and his wife?
@@babyyoda6549because Bob Iger forced Kennedy to revise the original ending after seeing a preview screening. There were many reports that he told her they absolutely could not release it with its original ending
Yes indeed, it was sad how they did Indy. This movie was the furthest thing from the original 3 classics of the 80s. Even Crystal Skull at least managed to end with a happy Indiana Jones. This one was sad all around. Another sad thing was how they extremely underused Sallah. He deserved way more screentime 😔
I was disappointed to see Sallah because I knew they were just using him for nostalgia (and to put him in the trailer)
"It's a slow process. Which we call active measures .
The first stage being demoralization . It takes from 15-20 years to demoralize a nation.
The next is destabilization . What matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems.
The next stage is crisis . Followed by a violent change of economic structure & politics.
Finally, there is a period of normalization It will last indefinitely." -KGB defector, yuri bezmenov.
(we are on year 12 of the first step)
@@TexZenMasterlol we are well past year 12. We are an escalation away from the last step.
@@wisdomsdoorstep Millions will starve before the last step begins.
@@badofi I think Indy pulled off being an old man in the 4th movie well, it's so cool seeing him be such a badass in that movie. Compare that to the 5th movie where the most exciting thing he does is ride a horse down a subway.
If KK had actually intended from the beginning to destroy every male character in reach of Disney could she have done it any better? It sure seems like this was her plan all along. It seems like she just hated the idea of a male hero. And she had the power to put a stop to it. So she did.
How did they destroy him? I enjoyed him nothing destroyed about him. He’s was great in this movie. I don’t know what the hell kind of movie you were watching
@@babyyoda6549Disney loves people that turn off their brains when watching their movies, you did a great job.
Agreed. It seems to he Kennedy's mission to destroy every character Lucas and Spielberg ever created.
Imagine what she would do to E.T if she ever got the chance?
@@babyyoda6549Indiana went from a respected teacher and professor who hunted trinkets in his spare time for themuseum. Now hes a bitter old divorced drunk that even the students dont like. He gets his freinds killed and Walter birdge gets to laugh at it. This Indiana is sad and depressing
@@theturquoisedream9244I'd hate to see what she'd do to Harry Potter.
As a woman and a feminist, I find it very insulting that they show “women empowerment” as degradation of man. That’s not what we strive for at all!
Oh yes it is! Oh, are you offended now? Bad luck. We men, and decent women, have had a gutful of rabid feminists and their systematic destruction of the values that made Western society great.
There is literally no degradation whatsoever...at all.
No one was degraded on except the nazis
yeah, this third wave feminism is sociopathic. Even the feminists from the 60s & 70s are regretting where it's at now.. even Germaine Greer is now seen as a right winger relative to woke feminism of today.
The radical Left has united all people everywhere in their hatred of Empowering Girl Boss movies.
She put Indiana in situations where he could get killed with no remorse. She’s an evil character.
Passing the torch to Short Round would have been FTW! What a missed opportunity.
Ke Huy Quan is the goat
Asain men are adjacent white so cant have that either. That's patriarchal
that would've been cool. Short Round takes the torch would've been far better than this.
@@Sagemeister007 yep. Could have a whole new set of adventures with Short round as the main character.
You guys understand how long it takes to make a movie like this, right? This film was likely far into production by the time the whole Oscar buzz and Harrison reunion with Ke Huy Quan was happening. It may look like a missed opportunity to you, but in practical terms they were already far along in another direction.
I'm glad we have this movie. It made Crystal Skull looks like a master piece.
haha
It makes Temple of doom look like peak cinema
atleast Indy was the Indy we remember in that movie. if I remember right lol not this weak old man
Crystal Skull is now to IJ franchise what prequels are to SW franchise lol
@@IASP17Well that's what he is theres 25min of young Indy the rest is old man with (indy)attitude and that who gives a... look frozen on his face, great.
You want a strong female character? Has everyone forgotten that Karen Allen as Marion slugged Indy in the first hour of the original and then coerced him into taking her along to look for the Ark?
True. The difference being she showed some human vulnerabilities and weakness. Came from nothing, bartender in some nothing bar middle of nowhere, etc. So, you could root for her. These days there is no humility or hardship. The characters start off as “badass” so they are hard to root for. It is just not a good formula and showed up here big time.
@@fitfogeyHelena’s weakness is that she acts with bravado to try and convince herself into thinking she’s happy with her life even though it’s actually a complete mess. You’re not supposed to root for her in the beginning, she literally starts out as a villain. You’re meant to root for her finding redemption through her adventure with Indy
@@hollyriver22171 Although a noble concept, a large percentage of people don’t think that worked out very well.
@@fitfogey I always suspected that Marion was a functioning alcoholic. She sure didn't mind a drink.
Yeah exactly, seems like most people just missed the point. Probably blinded by hatred as many were poised to hate everything about the film before it even began.
As a foreigner, I have no idea why American films are so trash these past years. 😅 It's so absurd and borderline psychotic how people just throwing trantrum to get what they want. My mom would kill me if I do the same in my country.
Hollywood needs a mom to threaten it
The funny thing is there are many articles listing why the movie bomb in the box office (e.g: the new gen ‘can’t accept’ Indiana Jones movie / Harrison Ford anymore) but suspiciously ‘Helena Shaw’ doesn’t even make it at all into the Top 10 reason why
Finally someone who isn't afraid to speak out and criticise PWB character in this movie.
I haven’t seen a positive video about her on RUclips.
Everyone is doing that though?
Literally EVERYBODY, laddie
@@tagir9123 Very glad to hear that. She deserves every bit of it. She is a toxic woman.
They wanted us to believe that Helena Shaw was a genius? Didn’t work for me- I thought she was stupid.
Seriously, going back to Tangiers, Morocco of her own free will after essentially scamming the son of a local mob boss? Not a great move.
Not a great move indeed
oh man, good point - she even returned to the hotel owned by this very mob boss :D
No. You’re meant to think she’s stupid. The movie is not trying to tell you to applaud her for scamming the mob boss. It’s supposed to demonstrate that her life is super chaotic because of her terrible choices. Her whole redemption arc is premised on her realising she needs to change the philosophy that guides her life.
@@hollyriver22171 But if she is stupid and constantly making bad choices, how did she manage to survive all these years?
@@nerychristian stupid in the sense that she makes her life more chaotic than it needs to be. Not stupid in the sense of lacking self-sufficiency
I was super confused when they kept having guys staring at Helena. I was trying to figure out if they knew her or something, then I realized the director was trying to convince us that she was super hot. It didn't work.
That punch in the face is for fans around the world, not just Indy.
Shia LaBeouf is actually a really good actor. He was pretty amazing in Fury as the character "Bible". I would've preferred him in this film than this Phoebe woman.
Agreed. I’ve seen clips of him in Fury and he was great
@@sder watch the movie Fury next time and not the clips. Just a suggestion. It's a really good movie.
I have an idea...one more movie. Mutt's body was never found. Shorty finds out that he's still alive, but he's kept in half-legendary ruins in Vietnam, thatonly a bunch of officers know about. He tells that to Indy, and they go searching for this lost city in order to save Mutt.
Wow, the movie could even start with Paramount logo changing into Mutt's symbolic gravestone. I'm seeing it! And Indy would keep that from Marion, not to give her false hope after what they've been through. But she would eventually follow... Ok, guys, I need to start writing it down!!!!
@@wojtek5385 you and @RobotHead should be writing for Lucasfilm
He's an OK actor. Far from amazing.
Indiana Jones and Star Wars were inspired by and were tributes to
movies and serials of the 30's and 40's.
The stories and characters are universal and eternal.
There is no "modern" audience that won't like the first Star Wars and Indy films over their last few films.
First, they were well crafted. Great editing, dialogue, and characters.
Secondly, they were unashamed about what they were.
The recent films are the opposite.
Poorly crafted and executed. Pretentious and ashamed of what they were.
Unwittingly, I think, they commit franchise suicide.
Fun fact: The mole on Phoebe's head is actually the last bits of sanity trying to escape into another body
thats crazy 💀
Alien invasion?
💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂
Birth mark I think. And its so small, she could probably easily have surgically removed without much trouble. I would if I were her. Remember Gorbachev's birth mark? That one was huge.
That's no mole, looks more like a dirt smudge she missed while scrubbing off in the shower.
I think its cool. Everyone tore up the crystal skull because they hated shia labouf in it (Not sure why) but i remember it quite clearly, he was one of the things they always pointed out. And now they got something that makes them beg for shia back. It's ironic and funny.
All they had to do was make a movie where Mutt is captured by someone to get something from Indiana and he could’ve teamed up with Short Round. Hell they could’ve even recasted Mutt as Miles Teller
She ruined it by being herself. Ultra delusional feminism. Case closed 🔒
correct!!!
silly observation as this franchise has always had strong females
@hyllaf strong not self-righteous and insufferable
@@svensmith1991 willy off TEMPLE OF THE DOOM is ten times more annoying, and is one of the worst characters ever in history of cinema, never mind Indy. But that's OK, cos it was in the past???
@hyllaf willy was just about the most annoying character in the indy films but she was set up as better than indy at everything she wasn't insufferable she didn't leave indy too die three times she wasn't a self insert from one of the worst studie heads in history was she
To create a bad movie character you need them to be as flawless as possible. Helena Shaw and the little kid never ever makes any kind of mistake, you know they will never get hurt in any possible case so that makes them not human.
Indy, just like many other movie heroes, it's a just a "person", in a way, he resembles a hero in a person, but he's not flawless.
Just by being afraid of snakes, to get captured many times, to get punched by his enemies who can overpower him, all things that makes him feel and be vulnerable.
Jesus Christ, Helena Shaw it's like watching Hannibal Lecter (in a bad review) as emotionless and soul less as the killer.
She knows everythings about anything, every subject you can Imagine, she can fight like hell, be smart like Einstein, she is literally untouchable as a human being. You, us ,no one can possibly compete with her so it's impossible to empathize with her.
You make good points, but it's worse than you suppose: she's actually a narcissist who can do no wrong. That's worse than simply being not human.
@@straightfacts5352 agree
And In her characters words she’s “good looking” or whatever the quote was.. she looks like a knee cap with facial features.
Helena was depicted as arrogant, greedy and untrustworthy. Last time I checked all those things were considered flaws. So she isn’t depicted as flawless.
It’s awful strange how all these companies (Target,Anheuser Busch, Disney) are hell bent on destroying their brand.
probably just a coincidence
@@sderNo coincidence, they are all beholden to being 'woke' and 'progressive'.
look up ESG rating score and how it affects their ability to borrow money
"It's a slow process. Which we call active measures .
The first stage being demoralization . It takes from 15-20 years to demoralize a nation.
The next is destabilization . What matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems.
The next stage is crisis . Followed by a violent change of economic structure & politics.
Finally, there is a period of normalization It will last indefinitely." -KGB defector, yuri bezmenov.
(we are on year 12 of the first step)
@@TexZenMaster It feels more like about 5 years into the second tbh
well Helena stole from Indy, got bunch of innocent people killed, smuggle the item and was selling in black market all for money, not to save her dad or kid or brother, but just for money.
Now we are supposed to like this character.
Why?
All the actions and personality as a villan. Like does her arrogance bite her in the ass at one point
It's funny when villainous characteristics get integrated into protagonists that are supposed to make us like the character@ci7210
Just imagine for a second: Shia returning as Indy's son with Harrison filling up the role as an older Indy in the style of Sean Connery in the last crusade with some adjustments and twists. And the ending would be Indy gifting his fedora to his son, symbolically passing down the torch, as he peacefully retires. I would have loved to see that! But of course that wouldn't have satisfied the fictional "modern audience" Disney is catering to...
For those who don't know, Phoebe Waller-Bridge is like the UK version of Tina Fey. She's a very talented writer, comedian, director who has produced a couple of very successful sitcoms starring herself as a confused, cynical modern women dealing with stupid men, social expectations, relationships, blah blah blah. It's modern feminist comedy for a young female audience. The mystery is what possessed the producers and writers of Dial to think that she belonged in an Indiana Jones movie. It 's like casting Amy Schumer as the sidekick. Apart from anything else, the movie is set in 1969 but Helena is clearly a millennial. And although Harrison Ford easily matches Tom Cruise for train-roof fights, a car chases, the overall depressing message is that he is a relic of an old Thirties generation whose time is past. Also, the time travel is ridiculous. The Indian Jones movies are not science-fiction, they are about supernatural powers - the Ark, the Grail, etc. No flying saucers and time machines. Archimedes would be pissed.
Don't knock casting Amy Schumer in Indiana Jones so easily. It's not so far-fetched. I can see Amy Schumer being cast as the giant boulder rolling around trying to crush IJ under its weight, she can definitely sell it.
Alternatively, she *could* be the comic relief if she spent the entire movie running around and screaming and being hit by various moving and flying objects. She sure would get more authentic laughs that way then she ever got during her entire "comedy career", even with the stolen jokes.
Let me get this straight: pwb spent years selling *MISANDRY* to an audience of misandric women, making money and gaining fame out of promoting and practicing hatred for the male half of humanity, yet has the audacity to lecture everyone misogyny is bad thing? am I getting this right?
All I needed to hear was "starring herself as a confused, cynical modern woman dealing with stupid men, social expectations, relationships..." and I already know how insufferable she is. The standard feminazi basically.
Tbf 4th film did have aliens and a ufo at the end
That thing does exist, but it is seen as the first computer to predict the place of some stuff in space. It is the antikythera mechanism.
@@etsequentia6765I think she could carry her co-stars as an actual blimp/zeppelin, and deliver a well rounded performance
Thank you for making this video essay! I watched this movie last weekend, and I almost immediately regretted making that decision. The writers, producers and executives have stripped away everything audiences loved about Indiana Jones and made him, as you said, impotent. There are characters who get screen time, who add nothing to the story, characters who are beloved who don't get enough screen time and finally, characters who get too much screen time who are absolutely loathsome! I lost interest with the newest installments of Star Wars, and now, This... I hope this movie flops so hard, it makes John Carter look like a Masterpiece. What you've said in this video, perfectly summarizes everything I felt watching this latest installment of Indiana Jones. Thanks again, and keep up the great work! 👍🏽
In the spectacularly great Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Al Pacino's character explains to Leo DiCaprio's character a similar dynamic: the studio's new favorite actor beats up yesterday's has-been, formerly-the-hero actor cast as a villain, thus legitimizing the new actor at the expense of the old one. Ford deserved better than that. Thanks for sitting through this dud so that I didn't have to!
That’s very well put, I appreciate the comment!
That's not what happened here.
The toxic masculinity Indiana Jones was put in his place by a modern fifth wave feminist ideal hero.
That's what KK is all about. Destroying legacy male heroes with superior female characters.
That doesn’t happen, this video is bogus. Maybe actually watch the movie. Harrison Ford has plenty of time to shine. The overriding theme of the movie is that you can be old and still live a valuable life, you don’t need to cling to past glories. Harrison Ford himself has said he requested the movie deal with this idea, because he relates to it so deeply. I’m not going to say the movie is perfect, it has some pacing issues, but Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s character is absolutely not the problem
@@hollyriver22171 considering I have seen dozens of reviews say she is an insufferable and irredeemable character (putting it nicely)... I'll take their word for it.
One of the reasons why the movie flops, is no one is interested in seeing an 80 year old play the heroic lead, especially when they have been told he is upstaged by an insufferable, irredeemable, Mary Sue.
There aren't many kids wanting to identify with an 80 year old, their aren't many people under the age of 60 interested in identifying with an 80 year old that is slapped around and abused by a Mary Sue.
@@hollyriver22171OK Kathleen
Helena is a poorly developed character. We're just supposed to accept this relationship he had that has no connection to any other movie. Instead of the CGI beginning, if they had spent time developing their relationship from when she was a kid sort of like the Last Crusade with Young Indy and his back and forth relatiinship arc with his father, it wouldve worked a lot better.
That’s a great solution
I feel like Crystal Skull is what you’d get if you handed the Indy IP to the original creators with the input of their small children adding fun scenes and outlandish concepts. I think the outlandish unrealistic parts of the franchise were always very interesting, even if we did see the aliens fully in CS.
Crystal Skull understood Indiana Jones and added Mutt and Spalko, who both had pretty enjoyable chemistry with the rest of the main cast. I would so much rather keep them in the movie.
That’s not at all the case with Helena. She doesn’t even slightly feel like family to her, or bonded at all like Indy and Mutt did. Also, Marion as a mother is just so nice to see. I loved the family dynamic in CS.
They both were very flawed movies, but I love CS with my heart. It was harmless and even sweet at the ending and many scenes.
Did he just say crystal skull was 15 years ago? Wtf
2008 + 15 years = 2023
I feel old
@@filipbabic4913 could've sworn it was less then 10 years ago too man.😒
jesus...i was 13
I'm as old as an Indy film..
Pheobe Waller-Bridge reprises her role as Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert character, having previously voiced L3-37 in 'Solo: A Star Wars Story', this time playing Helena Shaw in the fifth installment of the 'Indiana Jones' series, which sees the titular character as a broken, miserable, and marginalized. Over the course of the adventure they share together, Helena never misses an opportunity to point out how broken, miserable, and marginalized Dr. Jones is ... Yay! Feminism!
YAY! Also, very well written
Also why is Indiana jones scared of bugs in this movie?!
Yeah, what's with that? Indy didn't have a problem with bugs in Temple Of Doom.
@@stantonvalberg9814
It's called age
FACTS
Ugh. I wanted to love this movie. When you were described the premise, I thought "Well, that sounds pretty promising, actually." When you described the "de-aging" I thought "Well, I think that could be okay in a sort of dreamlike flashback sequence." When you described the characters, I thought "Why? Why? Why?"
As SOON as she showed up on the screen,I was like “Ohhhhhhh no”…I just had this feeling that I wouldn’t like her character,and DEAR LORD I was RIGHT! She might be a GREAT PERSON in real life,but this character should have been re-cast with someone…ANYONE else. It’s probably not her fault,but her character KILLED this film…actually…Kathleen Kennedy KILLED this movie before it was even released.
Imagine if they made one last movie directed by Steven Spielberg where Mutt is alive and Indy and Short Round go save him. Bring back Kate Capshaw’s character and make her and Marion frenemies.
love that concept
That would be a good peace offering!
I didn't hate the new movie, as much, as some - and did just barely find PWB's character... ah, evolved, by the end (just about)
But the fridging of Mutt I did find unnecessarily bleak - even cheap, somewhat.
My question is did Disney/Lucasfilm even approach Shia about coming back? If so a story with the two of them going on an adventure and seeking help from Salah and even Short Round during part of the quest would have been epic.
We can only dream
YES! That I'd have paid multiple times to see. If they had found good writers. GOD David Koepp is horrible.
Harrison had issues with Shia and supposedly had him blacklisted in hollywood after Crystal Skull.
Apparently Ke Huy Quan walked off set!
@@markgent6081 huh?
One thing I noticed is the movie was written by several men including Mangold which could explain why Helena is such a douchbag but the writing has Katheen Kennedys stink all over it. Its quite a feat to take three succesful Lucasfilm IP's and make them unprofitable but somehow Kennedy managed to do it.
And you know she's just getting started... 🤨
What's most ironic here is that Disney thinks it's looking to the future, but it's actually trapped in the past. By doing little more than churning out sequels and remakes, Disney believes it's putting a modern spin on old stories. They are, but that's where their creativity (assuming that mindlessly reflecting real-world issues counts as creativity) comes to a dead stop. In the 1980s, Hollywood might not have reflected the social changes of the era, but they still made highly original films that were daring in their time. (Of course, they didn't spend obscene amounts of money on production, so they could afford to be daring.) But by doing nothing but updating existing properties, modern Disney has somehow managed to be politically correct and conservative at the same time.
I have played some of the Indiana Jones video games in my childhood.
I remember I was often worried before starting each of them that a continuation could ruin the original trilogy - that it won't feel natural and in the spirit of the movies.
Incredibly, that never happened. The characters, the story and the music were all great and felt like they could have their own movie adaptations.
I guess the teams behind them had more creative freedom?
The Fate of Atlantis and Last Crusade graphic adventures are masterpieces.
I may never watch this film. So sad, Raiders was the best movie theater experience I ever experienced. And now it's a DEI trainwreck... Heartbreaking
I wish I could have seen Raiders in theaters
But you can still watch Raiders, right? I watch it about once a year, and I can still do that despite the many sequels. How can something that still exists be lessened by a few sequels you don't care for?
What’s DEI mean?
Them immediately undoing the ending of the 4th film (despite me not caring much about that one) killed any hope for story consistency and suspension of disbelief that story beats mattered at all.
As a woman who loves adventure movies (and a child born in the 80’s), I’m always happy for female characters to be included… until this time. ‘Wombat’ was irritating as hell and I just wanted her to disappear throughout the whole film. This definitely felt ‘woke’ with a token kid of colour thrown in for good measure.
Give me the originals any day… and Jungle Cruise. At least the female character in that is likeable.
I agree, the token kid was completely useless. He added nothing to the story and was only there for diversity and inclusion.. Absolute crap.
@@Theredrockretard yea agreed
they tried to make a second short round but all of a sudden short round could fly an aircraft drive a car and have exactly zero funny moments or character in general
@@Theredrockretard @tavish4699 I heard another reviewer refer to the kid as ‘brown Short Round.’ It made me laugh no end but it was so on point. Both characters (Wombat and… brown Short Round 😂…) were unnecessary.
You said that Dial of Destiny was ticking a box to have a strong female character. Have you seen any Indiana Jones films? They've all had strong female characters (Temple of Doom aside, but Willie does come out of her shell and find her strength). This whole "Woke/inclusivity cliche criticism" is becoming boring now.
Shia Lebouf probably didnt return because he burned his bridges so they had his character die off screen. They did the same with Sean Connery in 2008 even though Connery was still alive he had retired from acting. It's an easy way to let go of a character who the actor no longer desires to play or that the filmmakers no longer want to have dealings with. I am one of the few people though who thought Shia did a great job in Crystal Skull. its just unfortunate he joined a film that tonally was a bit over the top. As the film wasnt as good as the originals he became an easy scape goat.
I disagree with you on the story pitting Helena against Indiana as a negative. You are right, but that was the whole point. You describe her flaws as a negative, but in reality that was her arc. By the end of the film she redeems herself. Having characters in conflict is what makes a story interesting, but I get that it can also lead the frustration watching. Why can't they just get along? I don't think she ever tore down Indy though. Not sure what film you watched to see that.
You're right that Helena doesn't care about Indy at the start of the film, and that's fine. It makes her a rival to Indy. How boring would it be if they agreed on everything? I mean look at Han Solo and Leia in Star Wars. Always bickering and fighting.
I've stopped commenting on your points because it feels like you're issues with the film are that Helena is a strong female character and her arrogance annoys you. That's fair enough. But it comes down to basically how you view the world. I know there' a lot of people out there who have an agenda against the turn in females taking on more prominent roles in movies. I have not a problem with it. I try to critique the character when it's a women much like I would if it was a male counterpart. What ruins movies for me now is I know that if a film has a female lead that the cliched "woke garbage" criticism is going to rear its ugly head. remember when films were prominently male led they still made bad ones of those. So i call BS on saying a film is bad just because it has a female lead.
This is my opinion though...I don't have a problem with Helena Shaw and throughout a lot of the film I was thinking I like this character and would love to see a spin-off with her. I doubt it will happen, but to me she is just another in the line of female leads.
Raiders: Marion - strong willed character, but a bit over her head, gets captured easily and moans a lot at Indy - romantic interest.
Doom: Willie - girly type who complains to Indy a lot and acts like a prima dona, but shows a bit of courage near the end.
Crusade: Elsa: - strong character willing to get down and dirty, appears to be very co-operative with Indy but turns out is a fake ally and in fact a foe
Skull: Spalko - Villain, straight up antagonist to Indy. Military type and able to handle herself.
Dial: Helena - strong, tough, strong witted character, able to handle themselves. presents themself as an ally, but is quickly revealed as a foe for Indy early on, eventually turns to ally and learns the error of her ways. She was after the fortune and glory, but realised there was more to it than just fortune and glory.
You have to give Phoebe Waller Bridge some credit. She's one of the main reasons why this film will lose half a billion dollars
I'm sensing a pattern in these movies, and it's not just to lose money.
It's about Hollywood retirement homes and female horse heads from Great Britain.
@@TellySavalas-or5hfto bad
Looking forward to not watching this movie. And despite its comparative brevity, this video was as healing as watching a Plinkett review.
Glad I could provide healing
Love Plinkett! Yay Red Letter Media!❤😂
a character like hers could have been an expert in a niche like greek history or something so she has more knowledge there. but indy has a broader knowledge and experience and she should respect him in any way for that. just like you would in real life. this way you had a respectful synergetic relationship between them for the movie. but i guess that doesn't fit the agenda
Yes when she showed up in Indy's classroom/lecture hall I was hoping she'd be a nerdy likeable ally, with some transgressions and stumbles in her past but lots of admiration and loyalty to Indy. What a waste. The minute Indy's colleagues got pointlessly murdered and Hell in a Shawl locked Indy in with the thugs, I should have left the cinema and demanded a refund.
Literally just get one scene of Mutt Williams from 4 and compare it to any of Helena in 5 and tell me who you’d rather retcon out…
To save the franchise only 3 words...Ke Huy Quan...the only actor who was happy just to see old Harrison Ford as he got an Oscar.
I would love to see a screenplay for that, just to cover the stink.
The most widely agreed upon solution, if only we could make it happen
They could have easily cast another actor to play Mutt. You don’t think fans would have loved Brendan Fraser to play his son? That would have been epic.
I didn't consider that route. I'd vote to bring Short Round back before recasting Mutt.
@@sder I liked the alternate story that RobotHead suggested. Imagine Mutt and Short Round were friends over the years, and Mutt comes to his dad to look for him as Short Round has gone missing looking for an artifact. Ir was kidnapped by remaining factions of the Nazis. So now Indy and his son go on an epic adventure in searching for Short Round. Something that old and all new audiences could get into.
@@noelv1976 Far far better than another mcguffin hunt. I actually thought of Short Round as a student of Indy's father. "Stop calling me Short Round!" "Only when you stop calling me Junior!"
I think the main intent of Helena Shaw was to compare her character to Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom. Where Indy was selfish and only sought fortune and glory. I'm pretty sure thats what they were tying to hint at, but I think they did a terrible job regardless
And even then, he was better than Belloq.
Even then, Indy ends up saving the kids amd freeing the village of the curse
2 things ruined this movie for me. 1 of them was Helena, she was so annoying. I don’t know if it was the actress or if she was written that way but if I were Indy I’d just leave her. And 2 is that he got shot in the shoulder. It basically sidelined him for the big final act of the movie. Yes Raiders had him attached to a pole but last crusade had him get shot and that ending was amazing. Just do something like that again
It was an ok movie. Great ending for an iconic character. I do recommend to support it in the theater to watch Harrison Ford play this character for the last time
Helena Shaw represents Dysney and Harrison Ford represents Lucas Films (and indeed Holywood) as it was. I think many miss the very clever script writers who managed to sneek that in.
She was also involved in script writing for the James Bond movie No Time To Die in which she introduced a female 007 and killed off James Bond.
Crystal Skull got so much flak at the time, enough said. Btw, let's be fair, however, the notorious 'nuclear fridge" scene was arguably no wackier than some of the other stuff he's done. Although, to my mind, the conclusion (Indy and Marion's wedding, their son looking speculatively at The Hat) was both satisfying and very respectful Who'd think that this movie would become a fond memory?
Indy 5 is a dumpster fire, to put it nicely. But I do maintain hope for the overall franchise. It is possible for Indiana Jones to EVENTUALLY make the same kind of transition as Superman, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Who, Tarzan, Star Trek, and many others.
They stole the fridge thing from Mother 3
@@MutedAndReported3032 I am shocked. Shocked and appalled, I tell you. A Hollywood movie stealing ideas from somewhere else???? Who'd have thought?
She ruined it because no one told her she shouldn't.
Imagine being an actor in the biggest role of your life & 'insufferable' is the most popular word used to describe you. 🤣
On the other hand, if the cap fits and you happen to be wearing it, “ what’s the problem?”
Omg the green screen chase on those tiny cars is terrible. Helena is bouncing around like she driving on boulders while Harrison is completely still. In the same shot too
Helena Shaw wasn't the successor of Indiana Jones -- she's a thief. Helena Shaw was a villain. And in the end it was Indiana Jones's character that changed Helena's ways. Elderly Jones cared more about family in the end than his oast adventurous life.
Great video sir. Always nice to know my feelings towards modern Disney are shared by others. Truly a destroyer of franchises and a disgusting stain upon cinema as a whole.
Thank you sir
Yal don't remember how much people hated the idea of Mutt taking over for Indy back in 08.
Sure we do. It's just that the only thing worse than a derivative, uninspired, unnecessary fourth installment turned out to be a derivative, uninspired, unnecessary FIFTH installment.
@@stevemcallister4965 Both movies are equally unnecessary. And I think writing Mutt to be dead was the easy way out.
i had enough when indy had to bargain to go with the two of them in the cab the same thing happened in terminator dark fate with sarah connor they treat the characters we love like actual garbage to make way for actual garbage
Remember in every movie when Indy had a quirky sidekick, like Sallah from Raiders? Yeah, Helena Shaw is now Indy, and Indy has become the quirky Sallah to Helena’s Indy. This is beyond dumb.
I like that. It works! Although what would have worked even better is if Henry Jones Jr. had morphed into Henry Jones Sr. as played by Sean Connery with Mutt as the younger Jones. See, I can write better screenplays than these Hollywood hacks!
@@SubtleStair the difference is Mutt had an actual vested interest in archeology, and when Indy spoke, Mutt listened. Remember when Indy asked Mutt to sweep the floor and Mutt did it without even questioning him? Helena Shaw would bitch and whine and piss her pants because a disgusting old white male asked her for a favour. What the fuck.
I’m a lifelong Indiana Jones fan and it’s my favorite Harrison Ford character. As soon as PWB was cast, I decided I was skipping this movie and I’m glad I did. She completely ruined what could’ve been a great movie. I would’ve preferred one last adventure with Short Round.
The actress's claim to fame was in a Tv show called Fleabag, where she plays an arrogant, insufferable, selfish, fool. Her talent was making such an unlikable character compelling to follow.
She recreated her Fleabag character in Indy 5, doing exactly what the producers wanted. If the producers replaced Sean Connery in the early 007 movies with Don Rickles would you blame Dom Rickles?
I've heard a good amount of discussion around Fleabag after posting this. I'll look into it. And to your second point, you are absolutely right. How I see it, by saying "Helena Shaw Ruined Indiana Jones", that includes the writers and producers who were involved in creating the character. For a video, it makes more sense to highlight the result of the problem (Helena), and discuss her shortcomings with the implication that the writers and producers are ultimately to blame.
Don Rickles would have made the best Bond because of his insults!
No she didn’t she was playing a troubled person with a amazing background because of who her father was so she knew a lot about history, not hard to understand
Very easy to understand in fact - just stupid and ineffectually written
@@sderwhat was stupid about it. The Archimedes dial is a cool thing. I really enjoyed them going in the past and how cool that looked. I thought the beginning part of the movie was awesome for all the bad movies that Kathleen Kennedy has been responsible for this was not one of them..
From what was shown in the movie she didn't particularly like her father because almost everytime Indy mentions his exploits she pretends like she didn't hear him which is realistic because her dad went mad researching the dial so she probably holds resentment towards him. As for her being a troubled person that's just straight bs 🤣. Why? Because she went back to Morocco where she played a son of a mob boss to sell off more stuff. She likes and is confident in the way her life is and there is not even the faintest whiff of her changing her lifestyle anytime soon by the end of the movie. She's still going to live in the moment, selling off antiquities with discount Short Round
@@kuhanblock9380 If she hadn't changed by the end, she would have left Indy to die and taken the Dial with her to sell it.
@@Lalo-dh8xq lol she brought him back because he saved her life and she didn't take the dial to sell because she got those diamonds from Voller. She's still going to be a thief with discount Short Round
This movie has destroyed all the hope I have for Disney
Thats a little bit late but welcome to the party.
Yep, they're done. Committed suicide.
My hope is to see Disney go bust.
She didn't. I rather liked the character. The problem again and in general was what the people who were the brains behind the movie decided to present and what the actors chose to portray.
Sooo did Shia LeBuff "tear down" Indiana Jones? Gmafb
Youu need to put out a really detailed 45 minute teardown of this film along the exact lines of this vid - which was a gold tier evisceration, thanks.
Once I can get my hands on better footage I will strongly consider
Good presentation,
Good background info.
Well thaught out point of view.
No exagerration,no histrionics.
Informative.
Means a lot!
Hollywood gone woke. One way to stop people going to the cinema.
Imagine how much better it would be if we've followed Indie's son on a European WWII theatre. Some Paleolithic stuff in a caves of Central France for example.
Or Apocalypse now temples in 'nam
My dad is the one who introduced Indiana jones and all the hollywood classics he isnt a person who usually criticizes a movie he rates it by whether he enjoyed it or not . He himself was like why does helena seems so unlikable he was struggling to finish it and was like why is indiana Jones being treated like a idiot ... he was so disappointed.. you know you screwed up when a 65 year old man thinks that the legacy of Indiana Jones was screwed simply because someone needed to girl boss and ruin the franchise ..
I saw Mission Impossible 7 yesterday and it's remarkably similar to Indy 5 in some ways, but executed better. One of these is Hayley Atwell's character who is similar to Phobe Waller-Bridge's character., a smug English thief, but she earns her redemption while Phobe Waller-Bridge gets hers because the script called for it.
Glad to hear that, I’m excited to see it
Plus hayley is charming at least
@@gelatinpowder1137 she's smoking hot, and tom cruise is the real boss ;)
@@gelatinpowder1137 and she’s not Clumsy, gangly, maladroit, klutz
So like did they solve the murder charges? Because Indy actually killed the guy with the crutches
I actually enjoyed the movie. It was entertaining throughout. Honestly, I was worried that the focus would be too much on the Helena Shaw character, but the movie was led by Harrison Ford. Great acting, great action, and a good story.
I appreciate your perspective 🤝
Okay so not true, look she wasn’t the best but she was a pretty good side character
This is the most accurate review of this movie I’ve heard to date. There remains only 3 Indiana Jones movies.
No she didn't. She killed it...dead.
Oh This movie has tall woman in it its ruined. Woke people can be annoying but anti woke people that bitch about movies having women are worse it was not the best movie but it really was hardly woke at all.
Helena Shaw, Rey from the Star Wars sequel trilogy, and Jyn Erso from Rogue One are very similar female characters who resemble a younger Kathleen Kennedy. All three characters are Kathleen Kennedy's self-projection and self-insertion as the heroines of the movies. So the characterization of Helena Shaw says a lot about Kathleen Kennedy as a person... and Kathleen Kennedy's lack of self-awareness of what a despicable and unlikable person Helena Shaw is. Everyone around her must have been kissing her ass and telling her what a wonderful person she is, which gave her the delusion that the audience would love and worship her self-insertion as a character in the Indiana Jones movie.
Agree on everything. She made my skin crawl so thank you for breaking down why. So sad.
She is such a fanfiction character