Original LTT Video: ruclips.net/video/kluoZ9RhmVo/video.htmlsi=0QfLQTEgH4Z1KO40 I used Linux for 8 Years Video: ruclips.net/video/EcKSdZ_ENeg/video.html Hyprland Video: ruclips.net/video/83ZZp8wJ-UY/video.html
I this point I either recommend new users pikaOS if they want a good solid base that's up to date and great for learning or if they want easy everything done for me go Bazzite option
"There are no" You forgot PikaOS, likely because it's named goofy, but it's better than other alternatives. CachyOS obviously top tier, bazzite, then tumbleweed, and PikaOS. Mint is not that great, but it's stable and they have put work into it. PopOS has always been a joke. I think Linus has a problem with common sense.
Gotta say, I'm running secure boot on my lenovo thinkpad p1 gen 7 and I did not experience any errors or issues beyond having to enable 3rd party keys in the bios and enrolling keys. I'm running Fedora with win 11 pro in qemu/kvm for work.
Can u make a driver for audient id14, the audio output is balanced unevenly while i using it. Also my friend installed arch and with all setup and even roasted me my ruining the os. He is a geek idk how he crack softwares, but he can't be able to fix that prob, i appreciate if u can get into pro audio stuffs. If will be useful for linux music producers that users reaper and bitwig studio
BOTH PopOS! and Bazzite were a disaster in the LTT video. 100% the result of the Linux "community". People keep recommending "gaming distros" like Bazzite, CachyOS, PopOS!, and other garbage, instead of stable distros like Ubuntu LTS, Mint, Debian, etc. Even this RUclips channel is guilty of it, "here, try the latest gaming/arch distro I have only tested for 30 minutes, it's great" lol.
The PopOS is interesting for me. I'm a casual Linux user, somewhere between Linus and Luke. But when googling or looking at distros, Pop! is often in the top of the suggestions. I don't blame Linus for picking it based on that. Ah but yes, Luke is a Chad. He doesn't have a lot of screentime these days in the videos, so it was a pleasure to have him in this one.
I've been using Pop!_OS 22 for a long time with great success: x11, Gnome, Nvidia driver support is great. It was a legit suggestion. With Pop!_OS 24 they pushed Cosmic and Wayland and it's just unfinished work. System76 chose the worst time to do it. I'm not updating. The online and IA suggestions are just out of date, it's not Linus (or any other user) fault... it's just spread misinformation.
The funny thing is, I think Linus chose popos because he thinks he put them in a bad light for something that rarely occurs and happened in a 24 hour period in his first video.He was gonna make amends! Then he does the same again, but this time tries "Beta" version XD hahahahah, a funnier script couldn't have been told.
I actually tried to use it as my only daily driver for the last 3 months. Sadly a few days ago I simply had to go back to Windows, but it's getting close to the point where I can say that enough works for most people to start switching, though right now it's still niche enough that the current install base reflects how usable it is. And this is comming from someone who is familiar with Linux having had it as the primary daily driver for multiple years back when I was a student (call me weird if you want, but I really loved the feel of Unity even though it was new and clearly not done yet)
I agree. I currently use at least Four Linux flavors, and only run Windows 10 for playing World of Warcraft, which fights to stay off Linux. That will probably end soon, since the game isn't what it use to be.
Wayland/X11 is destroying Linux. Developer A only supports Wayland, Developer B only supports X11. Bro I'm just trying to run your apps on my PC. When you develop an app it should just work on windows/Mac/Linux/Android etc. like VLC.
Yeah honestly even outside of gaming, Wayland vs X11 has Linux in a somewhat painful state atm. My machines want to use Wayland because I have multiple monitors with wildly different resolutions and therefore scaling measures. My software wants to use X11 because Electron is f***ing abysmal. Don't get me wrong it's useable, and it's less painful than Windows. But nevertheless I've not even remotely considered trying gaming on my Linux setup atm. My gaming sessions are still on a Windows machine now.
@rayjaymor8754it's not less painful than Windows at all though... I'm not averse to Linux, I use it on my server, on my laptop (primarily due to local LLM, 64GB RAM for the win) and also I have an external SSD with Linux installation to use on any machine I plug into (it's full installation with bootloader) but Linux handling of multiple displays with varying resolutions is abysmal. Not to mention stuff like virtual displays for remote access, desktop streaming and severe lack of tools suitable for the job...
18:24 Hey there, I'm a professional Audio/Visual tech and it's entirely due to mismatched refresh rates. I can't find any documentation on this, and it drove me insane for years, so this is entirely my lived experience of setting up 750~ projectors a year for 8 years, but having a mirrored source with a non-60 divisible (such as a projector that defaults to 59.97hz) will throw off your scaling to varying degrees. This can also apply to input as well, as seen here. It happens on any OS that allows the user to change their resolution/refresh rate as far as I'm aware. It's also why it's a nightmare to put an image from a random mac onto a projector. Seriously, I cannot find this issue mentioned anywhere, it was entirely through troubleshooting that I figured out all this crap. Cheers, great video!
As an old dog at emulation of retro consoles, I think I know what you mean. Integer scaling and frame resonance is key, otherwise latency ruins the fun.
If we were back in the days of CRT's were the signal rate, scanline frequency and retrace rate all had to sync up, I could see how refresh rate might affect scaling. But why does it have any effect on a digital image?
@ccthomas My guess: As soon as you go from just playing every frame twice (60 -> 120) to a non even multiple (60 -> 144) you have to interpolate and decide on how to do that, presumably. Unless you just decide to play every 5th frame an extra time or something which would probably FEEL weird? As for why the scaling goes off, it's probably because the connection is 'dumb' and they decided that was a better failure mode than no picture, and getting the frames at a slightly wrong pace messes with the drawing?
It's unfortunate because I think System76 is a cool company and one of the only laptop/PC manufacturers where you can buy a new system with Linux pre-installed (and they even come with coreboot), but they really are taking a huge risk pushing such a beta DE out this early and Linus got bit extremely hard because of the abysmal timing. I really think if he was on PopOS with Gnome he probably would have coasted by just fine.
If it's any consolation, Linus had already moved onto two other distros, he mentioned it on the Wan show. Sadly he showed a clip of breaking those as well 😂
Thanks for the Secure Boot warning and i wish there was a BIG BOLDED FONT WARNING everywhere mentioning it Also i should note that there are NO INSTRUCTIONS on what to do in the Bazzite MOK screen if there is already a key enrolled.
I pull my windows drive, install and use a separate usb flash drive for the boot and efi, then when I put the windows drive back in I can always boot from that usb to my linux distro regardless of windows updates overwriting the efi since it ignores the flash drive.
@whiskeyechomegaI put the entire Linux on an external SSD (1000MB/s transfer is more than adequate). As a bonus point I can run it in variety of machines 👀 I did run into a problem though - I'm having CachyOS on an external hard drive that I've installed originally on Intel N97 miniPC and it works well with variety of AMD desktops, laptops and miniPC setups (5650U, 7840U, 7940HS, 7700X, 7950X3D, 9600) EXCEPT it catastrophically fails while loading system components (the screen with green OKs just completely fails) on my GMKtec M7 (6850H) miniPC - I have absolutely no idea why this is happening 😂
@Micromation My dual boot is running on the sata slot in my laptop, I keep windows on the nvme. After a couple rounds I found that windows likes to work with uefi/efi on an nvme if it's set to default. Having my linux install on a separate sata drive with a empty or under utilized efi partition and set my /boot partition to an sd card or usb avoids windows overwriting my linux on dual boot setups. So far so good Windows 11 has not overwritten my /boot or /efi in a way that prevents booting. Beware the microsd method if you click the write protect your linux updates to grub may fail until you unmount and make sure you have write access, then try again.
@Micromation This separating the /boot and /efi on a "virgin" system with one drive as a DMZ so to speak. Windows ignores external drives when it processes efi updates. On internal sata or nvme windows wants domain.
Im not sure what the warning was about. I have multiple times disabled secure boot and even wiped the keys from the motherboard to self sign my linux installations. Not once has anything on windows not worked. Not to mention that disabling secure boot doesent affect windows at all. It isnt a requirement to have it on to use windows. If you delete the keys from bios it obviously wont boot until you recreate them with sbctl or similar from linux. Also that isnt ”bazzite MOK” thats standard linux thing. He could have also just used sbctl to sign the keys.
I've been gaming on Linux Mint for over two years at this point. I can't even recall the last time I logged into Windows. The only reason I ever logged into Windows is to update my motorcycle headsets, GPS, and radar detector. My headsets will only update via the phone at this point, to capture more data from you I'm sure. I don't use the detector much or at all any more. The GPS...I can update that via VM windows in Linux at this point. I set my wife to Mint a couple of years back. She didn't know for weeks. LOL She figured it out one day because something wasn't where she was used to seeing it. She does video editing and I just had the kids teach her a new editor telling her the old one was no longer supported. Even my garage computer is linux at this point. I have to support Windows at work and that's a friggin' nightmare. All caused by Windows itself.
Right now the most use my windows SSD sees is the odd tweak I want to make to the case fan controller (which can be done with a usb handover to the VM, no dual boot needed).
Yeah it was a big difference on the wan show - Linus was talking in terms of whether its possible to get his system working correctly, and Luke was talking in terms of “I like this ui experience a little more”
@fanman420 He could have put it into a frame. But they I think from what I've read, SSD lose data if they are not connected to electricity over longer periods of time. Since data is stored electrically instead of magnetically like on HDDs.
@fanman420 Elijah was the one who installed Fedora ahead of time onto that ssd. there was nothing special about it other than it being in the same video with Linus Torvalds
Every couple of years, I wonder how Linux is progressing to replace Windows, and then a video like this pops up and answers my question. I'll check again in a couple more years.
I tried Cachy 3 times now and the install never worked or finished correctly. Two different laptops and a VM install. Cashy is trashy or for the once with modern hardware.
@spiderron1463 I initially had a problem with the install, but it worked the second time I tried. I'm running a 9850X3D and 5080 so you can't really get more modern than that
While I don't watch LTT anymore, I do appreciate the conversations he starts. People will make video responses like it's the early days of RUclips, and I always learn more from the responses than the original video. Hell, for this video, when Chris mentioned "pavu controlx", I immediately searched it up before I realised he was talking about "Pulse Audio Volume Controller" which I already had installed but never messed with. Going to the Configuration tab and turning off the random audio devices is a QoL tweak that I would probably never come across otherwise. And yes, Luke is a chad.
Ooooohhhh that's what it is! I tried searching for it and kept getting PulseAudio and thought it was just brave search not showing me the correct results.
Linus just comes off as some disingenuous rich RUclipsr and I honestly don't trust his advice. I feel like there was a point where he embraced the sell out and has been a bit of a shill for a while now.
if you're using integrated IDEs like Jetbrains products and/or VSCode with SDKs, it's gonna be nightmare cuz most of them break the "containerised" mentality of the entire ublue lineup.
@cmaxz817Sorry but you're just wrong here. You set up a container with your preferred Linux distro, using distrobox. Inside distrobox you install for example VS Code, as you would on a regular non immutable distro. Any SDK is also installed inside this distrobox container, thus granting full access while maintaining the containerized environment. Any CLI tool you need is installed using Homebrew. All the rest is installed as regular flatpaks. Now you have a fully functioning environment without breaking any containerization. Using distrobox-export you then export the IDE to your host's application menu, making it feel perfectly integrated.
Funny story about HDCP, I worked in an IT job about 10 years ago where we were trying to figure out why a machine wouldn’t display to a TV and I told my boss that the DHCP protection was probably stopping it from displaying and we may need a different HDMI cable. He gave me a funny look and for the next 30 minutes I argued vehemently that DHCP was the problem and we needed a new cable. Finally we dropped it and moved on. I don’t even remember if we fixed the issue. Anyway, a few years later I’d moved on to a new job and was reading a post somewhere that mentioned HDCP and it just clicked for me. I understood why he thought I’d lost my mind those years earlier. I called him up and said “remember when I kept telling you that cable was stopping the video from displaying due to DHCP? Yeah? Well it was HDCP, so I was right! Kind of.” We laughed about it and I don’t think I’ll ever forget the HDCP acronym again. lol
32:20 Regarding the power button in Cosmic, I think Linus's point is, why is the Settings accessed by clicking the power icon? You see the power symbol, and you think that's where you go for power options like shutdown, restart, etc. It is nitpicky, but makes sense.
3:00 Windows convert here. Been a fan of Linux since I heard of it and finally switched last year. Been quite happy with Mint. Gaming, programming, general use. My only frustrations were issues with setting up my drives (complicated by dual-booting Windows) initially and mild annoyances with application support (Snap, Flatpak, repositories sometimes not staying up-to-date) and sound devices (mainly showing tons of devices and "audio types", a little bit of input and output volume struggles sometimes). Otherwise, I'm a very happy camper.
@fishslab Nope, same drive. In hindsight, I'm kind of regretting that due to the filesystem being much smaller than I'd like, but my original idea was to have the OSs installed on a smaller drive and data on the other drives. I have been blissfully unaware that Windows might randomly wipe the Linux boot partition, but so far no issues there.
I probably got lucky because I got tired of Windows locking up the drive every time it decided it was going to force me to update (half the times I booted into it) and ended up disabling that. Good to know though. I'll put more of a priority on moving the install. Thanks 👍
@G4mingBud Just disable Windows Fast Boot and a lot of (little) issues will go away. For the little system partions, actually you can move the C:\Users (except the Administrator user) out of the C disk with sysprep, but doing the reverse can be... pretty painful. I did this with the old desktop PC and started the same way with the new one, but when i tried to come back to 2 separate SSD (at some point i bought a new one only for Linux) Windows broke in the worst possible way (leaving half of the Users directory in a disk and half in the other 🥶; and i was following their docs!). I managed to fully restore it moving files around manually and doing an InPlace Upgrade after (how i did the latter is another long story, since every procedure I tried only gives me the option to fully wipe Windows) but, man, that was waaaay harder than Linux (which it required me only ten minutes to clone the partition, create a new /boot one, update the /etc/fstab and reinstall GRUB and migrate/reinstall the kernel).
Chris i liked very much this video, just to let you about your audio in here i think your mic gain was like 5% to high a bit. I have grado headphones here with a nice audio interface and i could heard a bit of distortion in your audio. It was epic to see how you reacted.
Same. Super easy install on my 6 year old Ryzen 5. I did have to tweak some things to get some games to work because I have nvidia card. LLMs helped with that.
Me too. Never had any issues with Mint and my Steam library. I'm not playing any games that requires anti-cheats. From the old SW: KOTOR to the newest Warhammer Space Marine 2, all works fine. I wish Mint had their own version of KDE, officially supported :)
Every since I first tried Linux like 15 years ago now, and back then I went with Linux Mint Cinnamon, I always fall back to Mint due to ease of setup if a system is having issues and the issues appear to be Windows related, a Mint flash drive has always tended to easily allow me to access files that Windows getting borked up would lock me out of. Going forward however, I am heavily considering SteamOS or Bazzite. I am hating the way Windows is going the direction of bloat, but I really don't want to deal with hardware I have just not functioning on Linux. I use 8Bitdo controllers, 2 different Elgato Stream Decks, and a Razer mouse.
Let me guess you are playing older or less demanding games? Because I can tell for a fact that no OS running a few years old versions of proton is performing well compared to newer versions on more demanding titles.
@mirzu42 You don't know what you are talking about. Proton updated automatically with Steam (or one can install various flavors manually, just like in any other distro). This has nothing to do with rolling/stable distro. I have been o Mint since 2014 and have had no problems using it heavily (programming, ML, etc) and gaming.
@mirzu42 ark ascended and that game runs fine, it'll probably run better when i replace my nvidia card for amd. proton 10 has not given me any issues. can we stop with spreading assumptions as fact? it's clear you dont like mint and that's fine, but we're not doing any favors for linux as a whole by slandering other distros.
Chris is so right, don’t just jump in full bore to Linux if you’re a newbie. I first started with an older laptop to get the feel for it (didn’t matter if I screwed things up) before I switched over fully
Stumbled onto Cachy a year ago. Still daily-ing that install and watching from it. Mint, my usual, had the EFI borked by Win dual boot but I still never bothered to sort it out cuz Cachy (knock on wood) just kept rocking and rolling. Love it.
Poor Linus really does seek out Pop OS bugs like a heat seeking missile. If he wasn't already obviously employed, they should pay him to be a QA engineer lmao
I might bash Pop a little bit. They try to get the "new user" demographic while shipping beta software. They should have a separate install for beta cosmic or make it more obvious is there is.
@punkrockllama More like "new user" who doesn't give a flip about gaming - that, actually, includes a lot of folks who are estranged from Windows after using it as a default tool for business applications for decades. This guy manages to deride older people ("boomers") on a regular basis, bragging that he uses ChatGPT to select Pop!OS instead of Google (the "boomer" thing to do ...). I'm old and have been using Linux ever since I retired 19 years ago as a Windows / Exchange server admin. I've been using Pop!OS and System76 laptops the last five years, along with the Arch based distro EndeavourOS. Never had a problem with these or other distros in my past, but I don't game. Sebastian might want to place less reliance upon LLM and go back to Google to search for his preferred Linux alternative. You'll note that his partner Luke seems to have no issues with his chosen distro Mint. BTW, System76 just pushed out an upgrade to their working version of Pop!OS Cosmic. I just upgraded my older version (Gnome based) just yesterday on my laptop. The upgrade took about 20 minutes, and so far I've had no issues. But of course, I don't game.
I’m a Niri user, it tiles without forcing you to divide the desktop. This has an advantage when gaming and you accidentally switch windows, it will scroll over instead of trying to squeeze it into one of the tiles.
i wonder if linus is trying to keep people away from migrating towards linux instead. just think about what he's showing instead of what he should be doing.
I'd love to see a major linux youtuber tackle an LFS build and come up with usable solutions to the challenges of managing / monitoring their installed packages :)
Bro people are already not recommend mint and popos bc they are old cheap copies. What makes you think anyone other than a few guys is interested in LFS
I agree with Chris - Start with a version that has been around for years... Then if you get the itch - try a newer version. That way if things go south, you know that you can always revert back and do what you are used to doing.
As a long time Linux user though I don't pay games (anymore), watching them was just painful, yet inspiring because they are trying and using a huge platform to show Linux some love and exposure.
I don't see the difference between a gaming distro and non gaming. Some just take some extra steps to make it into a gaming setup. You have freedom to use whatever you want
before i swapped from windows i watched multiple vids with the same hardware on different distros. it's like a 5fps difference at most. i went with mint due to its stability and resilience and my experience has been happy and simple for the last 2 years. people, incredibly including linux natives somehow think a "gaming distro" means more performance. it's gaming focused and more geared to help you get set up faster but thats it. a rolling release distro may squeeze out some extra performance and have more up to date features, but im just someone who doesnt mind having a nice middle ground that slowly builds up. noobs are looking for a good distro to help them get used to linux as a whole. mint is great, cachyos from what i've seen is also great. every distro is different and just has a little extra appealing spice for a different person.
@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 mint is a solid choice. I started using Ubuntu back in the mid 2000s, used it for 2 years, switched to mint for a little bit. Once I got arch working I moved over to that and never looked back, but I love to tinker. It's not for everyone. Linux has changed a LOT since the 2000s though! Probs the biggest quality of life changes were around early 2010s when wifi drivers were included in the kernel. You used to have to find the windows ones and then patch them. Not long after that, gnome 3 released. Then Steam released and proton is now amazing! I feel like Linux distro development itself has slowed down since then and is more gradual rather than monumental leaps. Ah, also, after using gnome 3 for like a decade, I switched over to KDE this year. Heaps better! I tried KDE in about 2012 but at the time gnome, cinnamon and xfce were much better.
They prioritize gaming and add the things you'd setup manually. With cachyos, it does detect your hardware during setup and works well out the box. It is more responsive than any other operating system I've tried. Doesn't seem like much of a difference in games though. I heard the improvements are more so in cpu demanding games.
@So2smellyeverything detects your hardware though. Possibly some kernel tweaks? But I'd be surprised, since the extra maintenance juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze.
I wish Chris would do more Linux videos again. I know he’s mostly known for his windows utility and he has to do what sells. But he’s the one who got me to mainly use Linux and it’s been great. I was someone who thought using a terminal was daunting. Now I make my own configs. All because of his Linux videos.
I tried mint a few times. Its great very stable and I would say boring "just works" and its the best choice unless you are running cutting edge(new) hardware since for those its preferable to run rolling distro for hardware support and fast bug fixes in kerner/software. I tried alot of different distros at different timea - debian ubuntu, mint, suse, fedora, manjaro. But I always come back to arch. Wiki, docs, forums makes running system how I want a good expierience and recently I fully switched to daily driving arch with kde.
16:26 According to Linus, there was no indication on the website that Pop OS was in beta, or that Cosmic was in beta. He was under the impression that Cosmic was full release in version 1.0.
@nuanced_critical_thinkerit should definitely not be in lts. That's a super hard hit for the trustability for popos. In general I'm a big proponent of slow rollout of stable releases. Most people and the average user does not need the latest features etc. Stability is so much more important. I really like Ubuntus approach and cadence in that regard. One stable lts release every 2 years. I think that's one of the major points of why it's so popular.
@nuanced_critical_thinker The fact they even slap LTS on these fringe distros is hilarious. The only distros worthy of using LTS labels for major releases, are the ones that ACTUALLY HAVE support staff, like Ubuntu and SUSE.
Garuda is an amazing Arch based distro. Everything worked from the get-go with zero configuring. Even exe files automatically call up WINE and launch seamlessly. I'm sure Bizzite and Cachy do as well, but I thought Garuda at least deserves a mention. It is defaulted to a mac like setup with left buttons and a dock, but that's easy stuff in KDE.
Imo cachy os is both. I dont see a reason why a literal beginner who doesent even know what linux is couldnt use it. Installing it is straightforward and by default cachy hello boots at start telling you literally everything you would need to use the OS. Not even Mint or ubuntu have that level of clarity for a complete beginner.
@mirzu42cachy is still arch based, so you will still run into arch troubles The installer expects you to know what desktop you want, what filesystem you want, what bootloader you want. If you're tech savvy and new to Linux it can work, but if you're someone who just wants to get off of windows it's a horrible choice for a new user.
@mirzu42maybe one reason would be that it's still arch and one of your hourly updates can break something. The average new user coming from windows also probably has no idea leaving updates off for extended periods of time can also break things. I don't know how you've convinced yourself it's more helpful and beginner friendly than mint purely on the basis that they copied the manjaro install.
@So2smellyoh look another person stuck in 2018. Arch doesent just randomly break unless you install a bunch of pagkages the system needs from the AUR. A new user isnt even gonna need anything from the AUR and probably wont ever install anything from there. And no, cachy is not even arch lmao. They have their own repos thats literally the point of cachy besides the kernel. Maybe you should actually use Arch before trying to claim how it can ”just break something”. Its also been a long time since updating irregularly has been an issue on Arch.
@mirzu42exactly. Arch updates like that will never break your system, and if on the rare occasion they might, DO NOT restart or you will have a broken system (that you will still be able to fix). For example, firmware split into separate packages a while back, and while this could potentially cause breakage, pacman should fail gracefully before installing anything. Ultimately, your system will still be recoverable. Unlike windows where if you turn your PC off or lose power during an update, you're completely screwed.
As an outsider looking in, it was like watching 35 minutes of making fun of Linus who most likely represents a lot of people who doesn't know better but are interested in technology. He purposely tried out PopOs again since he already had a terrible time with it years ago and it's still wasn't a smooth experience years later. Criticize Windows and Mac all you want, but all Linus wanted to do was to see if his experience with Linux would be any different.
@riopato2009 the issue is he admits he's going to bad sources of information. I know some people do this, but I don't know a damn single person who would be looking for Linux and go to a Chatgpt instance versus reddit or google past a listicle. He's representing kind of the wrong demographic. If you know how to install an OS, even windows, you can/are doing better research than that
@riopato2009 While that idea about "doing it as a general user" sounds cool enough, Linus sabotaging himself no matter how his choice of distro was criticized last time is proof he is fishing for drama and not really a honest effort.
I really love Fedora and I find myself coming back to it. I know you have your personal gripes with Red hat but I just see Fedora doing the most innovation right now, and idk why Linus hasn’t tried it
What's ideal to have if you're dual booting is a three-drive setup. -Windows -Linux -Shared storage The filesystems don't get along with each other well so the separate drive is good for keeping data accessible from both OSs without them ever having to interact directly.
Interesting about your comment on secure boot. I've toggled it several times and never broke Windows or any install. I even have my CachyOS set up for secure boot specifically for when I boot into Windows to play something that requires it.
Yeah. While Secure Boot is definitely sensitive and can lock you out, it's never really a big deal you can disable it and troubleshoot stuff. Also it serves a very real purpose in securing boot. There is plenty of examples of real world malwares that exploited the boot sequence. And these malwares are really nasty if they can live in your boot sequence before your OS has even started. Sure it's more of a problem for Windows but it can be a bit dangerous for Linux too. And it lets you have both Windows and Linux running alongside as long as you properly set it up.
same here, I'm thinking it might have to do with certain implementations, or maybe more modern standards, but I've never had a system completely brick itself because of a change to secure boot, undoing the change has always restored it back to how it was
@Tetsuo6995 Yup, I just don't use Microslop keys because they sign so much software there's guaranteed to be some malicious stuff in there. But if you're dual booting you need to have Microslop keys! Just make sure to backup your bitlocker recovery key
I heard that many installers will create and install your os signing keys for secure boot. So only the installer's shim would need to use the MS signed one.
I have a dual boot system (same drive even) and the only problem I have with secure boot is when my PC crashes in windows and it gets turned off, it can be annoying to turn back on in my bios. No problems getting into either operating system with it on or off, but the main reason I might want to use windows anymore it's too okay battlefield which needs it
Been driving fedora kde on my laptop got comfy REAL quick , tested out Omarchy, and Tonarchy, liked what I experienced but wanted to actually know what was running. So I decided on my main desktop to install cachyOS but minimal and install the packages myself. Just installed MangoWC after being in TTY for a while doing btrfs configurations. Im going deeeep in to Linux 👷
I switched my living room couch gaming pc to Bazzite a couple years ago and love it. I agree with what Chris was saying in the beginning about how these extensive lists with pros and cons really aren't helpful new users and "if you have to ask, the answer is Bazzite" for a gaming setup for a new user. Likewise for an office/browsing setup, if you have to ask, the answer is Linux Mint.
I switched to Linux 8 month ago, and went with Manjaro. I have yet to use the Konsole. This is the only distro with which I never had a problem. Even when playing my games. All the apps I use are already in the Manjaro software apps. I have used 10 different distros the previous 4 years. All of them gave me some problems. So kde Manjaro is my favourite os.
I ram into problems with Manjro when they do their big updates, where it would just mess up the UI and break. It would only work if you uninstalled it and reinstalled it. Had to switch to Arch EndevourOS and haven't had that issue since. Just an FYI in case you run into the same issue.
Software and hardware support is virtually nonexistent on Linux, which is why most people don't move to Linux. That's basically it. The Linux users who are claiming I'm wrong are those who are using it because it works for them (basically programmers), but have absolutely no idea why it doesn't work for other people who it doesn't work for. Hint: It doesn't work for them because it doesn't have support for the software or hardware they need to use. i.e. See if you can find Linux support for Cubase, WaveLab, SpectraLayers, Native Instruments, Nvidia, etc. Maybe there are similar software packages, but they don't work in the same way, and don't offer the same features. Basically, Linux will never take off until it supports software and hardware that people use on a daily basis. Only then will it become the new norm, and I'll use it.
The problem is that even distro watch has pop_os in the top 5. So people look for a good Ubuntu like os focused on gaming, and pop shows up no matter what site you go to.
I'm medium tech savy and run windows daily for decades. Ran a bit of Ubuntu when it was the hot thing. I own a nas running Truenas. I have never heard of distrowatch, was it ever actually thing? Didn't show up when i was searching the net for distros a couple weeks ago for kicks after the LTT video came out. The plague of flavour of the week distros (I have socks older than Bazzite and Cachy!), the old-hat distros not having the newer compatibility built in, and the hype around distros that are essentially experiments is big pronblem practically prohibiting the masses from adopting Linux and having a good experience. It's unfortunate. :( Anyways, I'm off to check out distrowatch, thanks for the tip!
@awholelotofnumbers45 I think distrowatch is less popular now than it used to be, but it is/was a well-known site. I think it's a good resource for getting some basic info on distributions. I just searched duckduckgo for "which linux distro" and it was the 5th result, so still fairly prominent. I don't know how well they play the Google SEO game.
It's because all of those lists are like, 3+ years old or are AI slop, unfortunately. PopOS was pretty okay at one point, but they are rushing their switch to their new Desktop Enviornment and they've made a complete mess of it, it seems. It's a really poor showing.
@felatras9503 then what is some rando supposed to believe. Smart asses on the internet constantly say "Google it". Pop!_OS it top 4 of AI overview, heck even the first Reddit post suggests Pop!_OS.
@felatras9503 Typical Linux-user arrogance. That's _not an option_ if you want Linux to go mainstream. Normal humans are going to use those lists whether you like it or not, so the Linux community has to either make them good, or provide a powerful, discoverable alternative.
my first distro was mint...ngl i loved it then went to fedora,loved it but...had some issues with wifi, tried everything to fix and since i had a exam coming i chose to go back to mint...gonna try catchy or fedora again
Works as if it was native on Ubuntu too so I was a bit surprised at Chris' comments and at how mouse look didn't work for Linus but then he does truly seem cursed.
12:44 This is super important. I did not realize this at the time; I was trying to install CachyOS alongside Windows on my laptop. I did remember to disable Bitlocker before I tried installing CachyOS (thank god), so the worst thing that happened was that Windows made me log in to my Microsoft account and reset my PIN and re-enroll my fingerprints when I booted back into Windows.
It's not that bad, I turned it off got blue screen, turned it back on, got rid of encryption on windows and then turned secure boot back off and everything was fine
@V0liathon Yeah, I agree. It's just most people don't understand how secure boot works. Disabling secure boot shouldn't wipe the firmware's keys in a majority of modern UEFI systems.
I ended up switching completely to CachyOS, btrfs, and Limine and couldn't be happier. I've used Mint and Zorin in the past, but Cachy is so much better.
I think that they are doing a very good job of providing a newbie's journey into Linux - for those of us without co-workers or friends who know everything about Linux. There are so many distros and most of the articles and videos are written and produced by "experts" and they don't really capture the pure sense of overload one experiences in trying to decide what distro would work for you. (BTW, I'm not a LTT fanboy, just saying I could relate to their video having recently jumped to Linux)
I use PoPOS 22 since I'm not comfortable with where 24 is at right now. I have no problems and I use Lutris to run games under wine. Sometimes the latest is not the best.
Exactly. For the last 5 years I've been on Pop_OS and EndeavourOS and I've had no issues aside from the GPU upgrade that led to the EndeavourOS install.
@mattb4625- So you've had no issues except the issue which lead to you reinstalling the OS from scratch? Do you know how many people have never installed an OS? The vast, vast majority.
I love how the video is basically: LTT Team: "I'm having this problem" Chris: "Well you see this problem happens because of this and if you do this it'll PROBABLY fix it" LTT Team: *does it* "Oh damn it works and I don't know why Chris: "Yeah"
I'm using Bazzite KDE on a new machine-no dual boot. Setup took seven and a half minutes. The OS defaults to sending audio to the monitor. I updated the kernel on one machine, and the motherboard's 3.5mm LINE OUT started working. Another machine started working only after I switched to "USB speakers" (or something)-just updating the kernel didn't do it. It could have been because speakers weren't connected on one machine when Bazzite KDE was installed, but were connected for the other. I tried messing with the audio controller in the terminal, but could not figure it out. Now, my priority is getting my Zelotes Z-12 mouse to work properly-but it's not going to. I'm going to have to buy a new mouse. I'm going down that rabbit hole, looking for something that can be set up online, regardless of OS, and while I'm down there, I may as well look for a decent keyboard, too. It's a hassle, but anything is better than supporting Microslop.
It should work, mice are pretty standard, but unless someone has made linux compatible software to program it then you'll need windows to run the configuration software. If you do buy a new mouse buy a decent well known brand, it's worth it. The hardware tends to last longer and it's more likely you'll have software to program it. "Cheap" Chinese mice will only last a year or two with heavy use, and the ergonomics can be rubbish. Logitech tend to have optical mouse wheels (if it doesn't mention optical mouse wheel then it won't have one) which will work for decades (as opposed to 1-2 years for the potentiometers used in cheap mice), though it may need cleaning now and again. If you can get one with optical switches then they'll also last for decades (barring plastic fatigue), if not then you can replace the switches. I had an 8 button one that lasted 20 years (had to replace multiple switches of course), and it still works but I changed my mouse to a programmable one with more buttons (also Logitech, after trying a chinese one for a year or two). You can use piper to program them. If you buy another brand then do your research first, at least if it's programmable. "looking for something that can be set up online" - Sounds absolutely awful.
I just disabled secure boot before installing Nobara on a different ssd. Didn’t remove my windows drive before doing any of this. Everything seems to be working just fine 😅
Indeed, Titus is spreading misinformation here. Have no idea what he is talking about. DO NOT format or reformat your drives, YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING!
2021 was my personal _“year of the Linux desktop”_ in which I cobbled together some spare PC parts and installed PopOS. Within six months I had installed it on my Gaming PC. I now run Nobara as my main. Couldn’t be happier. Shoutout to all of the devs who have worked on the various open source projects needed to get us where we are today!
Good advice to dip your to at first. I'm having a blast exploring CachyOS while keeping Win11 with dual boot (which I need unfortunately for some stuff, e. g. heavily modded games). I also put Mint on my mum's laptop.
Technical note: there are no *servers* being contacted in Secure Boot, it works completely offline. Secure Boot is a security feature that makes it harder to run untrusted software by refusing to run software not signed by a key it trusts. Most computers will come with manufacturer's key and Microsoft's key to make Windows work. To make this work with Linux and make upgrades easier, Microsoft signs Linux distribution's *shim*, a small piece of software that then verifies the actual Linux kernel (and grub, if installed) against its own key. And as mentioned, you can also add your own keys, or completely take over and remove the original keys so that the computer will refuse to boot anything that you don't personally sign. I also don't understand the warnings about not being to go back to previous installations. You can always just restore it to factory settings where you can boot Windows and any shim (unless your motherboard's firmware is broken). I don't see much of a reason to not use it. (But of course you can just disable it if you don't care about that. Then you can boot anything including anything you previously installed except maybe Windows because it refuses to boot without it.)
I use right click on windows to get to settings. It really is the most intuitive thing imo. Everything you need is in that menu or at least will get you to where you need. Terminal, system, disk and device managers, network....
LTT is right, Linux bros really are just gonna cry about anything Linux. A lot of people dislike Linus, but he is a user too and tried to come at this as a normal user if complaints are just as valid as anyone else.
100% agree to this I'm running fedora right now but thinking of going to back to windows 10 as I have hardware and software that just won't work right like obs not seeing one of my capture cards and the audio issues are insane sometimes!
I think Linus has the Pop! bug... i had it for a while before moving to arch, then fedora, then debian, now back to arch... Id also bet he didnt run any updates before getting right into gaming. Which i have personally noticed will mess things up as you install more current packages with things like steam(if its through apt and not flatpak idk). Ive broken a few installs doing this.
Yeah, no matter the OS, if you don't have a specific reason to not update, just update the thing after setup. And yes all the "sandboxy" options (flatpak, appimage, snap) don't get updated with the systems package managers (apt, dnf, pacman, zypper etc) Tho, especially in steams case, it's not recommended to use the flatpak version, as it can lead to problems. Nowadays almost all the distros have steam in their package manager, so there is almost no reason to nit get it from there.
Converting users from Windows to Linux will be difficult for quite a few folks especially if they don't want to be their household/family's internal IT support.
Enrolling new keys won't erase your windows encryption keys but it will ask for the recovery key. If you saved that, you'll be fine. If you restore the factory keys, you'll also be fine. Also I think he was using mokutil with the MS signed shim, which basically creates a separate slot for "machine owner keys", entirely separate from the PK/KEK/DB keys windows secure boot cares about.
I think cachy shills should instead stop shilling cachy as a perfect beginner friendly distro. It's arch. Things will probably break and require manual solving. I used the handheld version for a while. Updates broke my dock for a few days and the update that caused me to stop using it on a handheld was when they switched from handheld daemon to input plumber, in which I had to figure out myself when the controller messed up because handheld daemon wasn't automatically removed nor was there any announcement for this. And even once I "fixed" this, it was still broken because input plumber sucks. Cachyos is being used in their challenge anyway. A better challenge would be finding a cachy shill who has been using cachy for more than 4 months.
@So2smelly you are literally talking about handhelds with borderline experimental components.... my cachy install (on a real pc with a gpu) is over a year old and the last reinstall wasnt bc it was broken i swapped ssd. ive been running arch based stuff for like 7 years and linux in general since 2012, cachy right now is the best beginners choice. getting gaming going is simple/smooth, you can find patches/fixes in the AUR for closed source hardware really easy, calamares makes the install simple. just because you decided to make the poor decision of buying a pc handheld doesnt mean cachy sucks, you just dont understand how to buy electronics. unless the handheld is made by nintendo it just isnt worth buying
@jdanks they have a handheld edition, and specific devices they support. The average setup is going to differ much more than pre built devices they specifically support and list as an option for download. It's also unrelated to the actual point, but I guess you struglle with examples. "Arch is beginner friendly because I've been using it for 7 years, by the time I was 7 years into linux" I can't even argue with you. Your logic is flawless. The steam deck is massive. Others such as the rog ally and legion go exist because there's a market. These devices are supported on linux and even by valve outright.
for the secure boot issues, thats just a windows with bitlocker thing right? because i have disabled/reenabled it a few times on linux, and windows pcs (i think i installed without secureboot enabled though) without issue. I also have never used tpm2 to decrypt a boot drive or whatever, if thats another avenue for secureboot issues
harasunicornthey are connected, and it’s explained in the video. The bitlocker encyption keys keys can get wiped if you disable secure boot, which means Windows will not be able to unlock the drive without the recovery key manually entered.
Secure boot on Windows means (in simple terms) that Microsoft puts out a list in Secure boot on what software is ok to boot. If its not signed in the list, (like your homemade one) it will not boot. Same thing happens in Ubuntu, it will update the secure boot "list". For me it feels a bit further to the "you do not own your computer" soon.
@Xariann He's talking about the issues, not secure boot as a whole. Windows bitlocker keys are stored in the TPM and configured to be dependent on secure boot state. If you change secure boot state, by enabling/disabling it or changing the platform keys, bitlocker can't recover it's encryption key. Which reminds me, BACK UP YOUR BITLOCKER RECOVERY KEY!!!
Linus does hit on the biggest hurdle to Linux, not choice, not so many distros, but the sheer toxicity of the user base. Not even game, or political forums even come close in un rivaled toxic behavior.
I feel this is a fabrication, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux are forums i am widely familiar with are all very friendly. Are there toxic people, sure yes, more than other places, i dont know, there are more enthusiasts, which often are more intereseted in helping.
Excuse my ignorance but why no Ubuntu or Mint? I want to know if something major happens to the OS that a fix will get released quickly. With a large user base that is more likely to happen than a small distro.
There are no justificable reason to avoid Ubuntu. My personal opinion is that Ubuntu doesn't use LTS kernels but kernel version supported but the Ubuntu team. Apart from that... Ubuntu is a very good option.
I think the reason they didn't choose, for example, Mint is quite simple and lies in the term "gaming distro." Linus thinks a gaming distro will make all games run incredibly smoothly, when the difference is actually only 1-2% in performance. Considering the high-end hardware he has, he should definitely prioritize stability over the lame "gaming" tag.
Ubuntu is not the same as years ago. As they went snap first, they are problematic, so new users may have a really bad experience. Mint on the other hand is solid for newbies, but for a gaming it's meh. It will work most of the time but the base software is just too old. Faster moving distros (Arch, Fedora) are way better for gaming experience.
@XKorvus That is what I was thinking too. Specialized/focused distributions definitely have their place; however, a lot of new/inexperienced Linux users fall into the same trap of wanting to find the "best distribution for X" instead of actually learning the fundamentals of a new operating system that are (more or less) transferable from distro to distro. They're putting the cart before the horse.
Your description of Secure Boot is at best incomplete, bordering on misinformation. Disabling Secure Boot does not itself render any OS in need of a reformat. Windows will prompt for a recovery key if BitLocker is enabled and configured to store the decryption key in the TPM (the default). Only in perhaps the most strict of configurations or in the case of an improperly backed-up recovery key would it render the OS unrecoverable. This also happens on Linux if you store the decryption key in the same way, and this includes TPM LUKS unlock in Bazzite. If the user has backed up their recovery key properly, as is very strongly encouraged in the BitLocker enablement flow in Windows, which is also not necessary when using device encryption as it stores the key in your Microsoft account by default, then they’re at little if any risk in a TPM reset or change situation. I feel a correction on this is important to make for anyone who might preemptively abandon their OS and data after a misconfiguration based on your description of how it works.
Exactly this. I have no idea what he is talking about. At no point does it format your drive or require reformatting. Your files will be fine, and there should be no issue. IF there is an issue and you cannot boot, you must get a USB drive with some distro and you will be able to fix your system from there. What he said is at best, misinformation, bordering on ignorant maliciousness.
Yeah, I immediately felt like he doesn't really know what he's talking about when he got to the Secure Boot part. That really feels like it's coming from someone who turned off Secure Boot many years ago because "Microsoft bad" and never bothered to learn about it since then. I guess he got all that "quality info" from Low Level.
Am I the only one who finds it weird that none of them checked out any RUclips videos? As a relatively new Linux user, I went to RUclips right away for recommendations and listened to a handful of Linuxtubers talk about and rank OSes from within the past 3 months of when I was looking. I found ventoy to test out multiple distributions, listened to the arguments for and against various distributions, and got a feel for what was hardcore Linux opinion vs casual slop and was able to identify what was what. I also find this all really funny cause I installed Cosmic on my CachyOS build and have had almost no problems aside from the top taskbar tray just not having full functionality with everything, but that's more of a minor annoyance just cause I can't click the button for Cachy Update. Otherwise, I've been able to game on it, it was my first time testing a tiling manager and not a floating one and that's been cool, I've actually really been enjoying it. Cosmic, despite being in pretty early beta, works modestly well on Cachy, in my current experience, which is hilarious
@McGregor43 I already have better screen than the index so no thx and for the Frame, I'm not sure, I think I will try AR smart glasses instead but back to my question WMR is supposed to be working well on Linux but what distro should I try first?
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Original LTT Video: ruclips.net/video/kluoZ9RhmVo/video.htmlsi=0QfLQTEgH4Z1KO40
I used Linux for 8 Years Video: ruclips.net/video/EcKSdZ_ENeg/video.html
Hyprland Video: ruclips.net/video/83ZZp8wJ-UY/video.html
I this point I either recommend new users pikaOS if they want a good solid base that's up to date and great for learning or if they want easy everything done for me go Bazzite option
Thanks for the links Chris
"There are no" You forgot PikaOS, likely because it's named goofy, but it's better than other alternatives. CachyOS obviously top tier, bazzite, then tumbleweed, and PikaOS. Mint is not that great, but it's stable and they have put work into it. PopOS has always been a joke. I think Linus has a problem with common sense.
Gotta say, I'm running secure boot on my lenovo thinkpad p1 gen 7 and I did not experience any errors or issues beyond having to enable 3rd party keys in the bios and enrolling keys. I'm running Fedora with win 11 pro in qemu/kvm for work.
Can u make a driver for audient id14, the audio output is balanced unevenly while i using it. Also my friend installed arch and with all setup and even roasted me my ruining the os. He is a geek idk how he crack softwares, but he can't be able to fix that prob, i appreciate if u can get into pro audio stuffs.
If will be useful for linux music producers that users reaper and bitwig studio
It was released 4 hours ago and we already got a reaction video
The timing could not have been better. Haha, I loaded up youtube and nothing on the agenda today... Thanks LTT!
Man's quick with it
@ChrisTitusTech LinusTitusTechTips 😂
@ChrisTitusTechYour reaction to the previous iteration of this was how I first stumbled on your channel.
Yeah way to farm other creators then making ur own content dude couldn't even wait a day lmao 🤡
It cracks me up - this isn't Linus tries linux part 2, it's Linus tries pop!_os part 2.
Wdym? He was on Manjaro last time
He switched after he messed up on pop os
BOTH PopOS! and Bazzite were a disaster in the LTT video. 100% the result of the Linux "community". People keep recommending "gaming distros" like Bazzite, CachyOS, PopOS!, and other garbage, instead of stable distros like Ubuntu LTS, Mint, Debian, etc. Even this RUclips channel is guilty of it, "here, try the latest gaming/arch distro I have only tested for 30 minutes, it's great" lol.
@LiveErrorslast time he went to manjaro after doing the greatest steam install of all time on Pop_os
It really isn’t tho. He was in pop for a grand total of like 1hr then swiftly jumped to Manjaro when his shit blew up.
The PopOS is interesting for me. I'm a casual Linux user, somewhere between Linus and Luke.
But when googling or looking at distros, Pop! is often in the top of the suggestions.
I don't blame Linus for picking it based on that.
Ah but yes, Luke is a Chad. He doesn't have a lot of screentime these days in the videos, so it was a pleasure to have him in this one.
I've been using Pop!_OS 22 for a long time with great success: x11, Gnome, Nvidia driver support is great. It was a legit suggestion.
With Pop!_OS 24 they pushed Cosmic and Wayland and it's just unfinished work. System76 chose the worst time to do it. I'm not updating.
The online and IA suggestions are just out of date, it's not Linus (or any other user) fault... it's just spread misinformation.
The funny thing is, I think Linus chose popos because he thinks he put them in a bad light for something that rarely occurs and happened in a 24 hour period in his first video.He was gonna make amends! Then he does the same again, but this time tries "Beta" version XD hahahahah, a funnier script couldn't have been told.
He picked the Long Term Support version too, not like it's easy to know if it's a beta since the homepage/download page make no mention of it.
@sIightIybored yeah, putting a "beta" product in the LTS release was a terrible idea
you mean Pop_! OS
I went from Windows to CachyOS as my first Linux distro and I gotta say, never been happier lol.
I actually tried to use it as my only daily driver for the last 3 months. Sadly a few days ago I simply had to go back to Windows, but it's getting close to the point where I can say that enough works for most people to start switching, though right now it's still niche enough that the current install base reflects how usable it is. And this is comming from someone who is familiar with Linux having had it as the primary daily driver for multiple years back when I was a student (call me weird if you want, but I really loved the feel of Unity even though it was new and clearly not done yet)
I agree. I currently use at least Four Linux flavors, and only run Windows 10 for playing World of Warcraft, which fights to stay off Linux. That will probably end soon, since the game isn't what it use to be.
I also went from Windows to CachyOS but i go back to Windows. Most thinks dont work for me. And constantly fixing problems really annoys me ...
I genuinely believe CachyOS is the least....flammable of every option, if you're just a Windows user that wants to move to Linux.
@lesliesavage9229 World of Warcraft runs just fine on Linux. 😂
Secureboot
Wayland/X11
Audio subsystem
these will bite anyone.
Wayland/X11 is destroying Linux. Developer A only supports Wayland, Developer B only supports X11.
Bro I'm just trying to run your apps on my PC.
When you develop an app it should just work on windows/Mac/Linux/Android etc. like VLC.
Yeah honestly even outside of gaming, Wayland vs X11 has Linux in a somewhat painful state atm.
My machines want to use Wayland because I have multiple monitors with wildly different resolutions and therefore scaling measures.
My software wants to use X11 because Electron is f***ing abysmal.
Don't get me wrong it's useable, and it's less painful than Windows.
But nevertheless I've not even remotely considered trying gaming on my Linux setup atm. My gaming sessions are still on a Windows machine now.
@rayjaymor8754 Proton has worked for every game I tried so far on Steam. Has even worked for a few applications outside of Steam
@dp27thelight9 but wayland runs x11 applications through xwayland
@rayjaymor8754it's not less painful than Windows at all though... I'm not averse to Linux, I use it on my server, on my laptop (primarily due to local LLM, 64GB RAM for the win) and also I have an external SSD with Linux installation to use on any machine I plug into (it's full installation with bootloader) but Linux handling of multiple displays with varying resolutions is abysmal. Not to mention stuff like virtual displays for remote access, desktop streaming and severe lack of tools suitable for the job...
18:24 Hey there, I'm a professional Audio/Visual tech and it's entirely due to mismatched refresh rates. I can't find any documentation on this, and it drove me insane for years, so this is entirely my lived experience of setting up 750~ projectors a year for 8 years, but having a mirrored source with a non-60 divisible (such as a projector that defaults to 59.97hz) will throw off your scaling to varying degrees. This can also apply to input as well, as seen here. It happens on any OS that allows the user to change their resolution/refresh rate as far as I'm aware. It's also why it's a nightmare to put an image from a random mac onto a projector.
Seriously, I cannot find this issue mentioned anywhere, it was entirely through troubleshooting that I figured out all this crap.
Cheers, great video!
As an old dog at emulation of retro consoles, I think I know what you mean. Integer scaling and frame resonance is key, otherwise latency ruins the fun.
If we were back in the days of CRT's were the signal rate, scanline frequency and retrace rate all had to sync up, I could see how refresh rate might affect scaling. But why does it have any effect on a digital image?
Yeah, thanks NTSC.. And us humans for not just dumping all not rounded hrtz as it's no longer needed.
I think you should report it on OBS community forums and/or on wayland/X11 ones and see if any dev takes a look on it... 🤷
@ccthomas My guess: As soon as you go from just playing every frame twice (60 -> 120) to a non even multiple (60 -> 144) you have to interpolate and decide on how to do that, presumably. Unless you just decide to play every 5th frame an extra time or something
which would probably FEEL weird?
As for why the scaling goes off, it's probably because the connection is 'dumb' and they decided that was a better failure mode than no picture, and getting the frames at a slightly wrong pace messes with the drawing?
2:17 Chris reacts to Linus reacting to Chris!
That made me smile lol.
inception xd
@ChrisTitusTech so does cake
@lichtii1972*Chrisception
Chris reacts to Linus reacting to Chris reacting to Linus actually.
I have never felt the kinda pain i have felt before I saw Linus pick Pop OS a second time. System 76's software team makes me cry.
It's unfortunate because I think System76 is a cool company and one of the only laptop/PC manufacturers where you can buy a new system with Linux pre-installed (and they even come with coreboot), but they really are taking a huge risk pushing such a beta DE out this early and Linus got bit extremely hard because of the abysmal timing. I really think if he was on PopOS with Gnome he probably would have coasted by just fine.
@eyeiaye They do so much Damage to Linux's perception marketing themselves as the everyman's distro and then pushing unstable software
If it's any consolation, Linus had already moved onto two other distros, he mentioned it on the Wan show.
Sadly he showed a clip of breaking those as well 😂
@eyeiaye
Or PopOS with Cinnamon.
But if you are using Cinnamon, might as well use Mint.
@MachoMaster pop os as a foundation is bad in 2026
I daily drive Mint and game on it flawlessly. I freakin love it.
Thanks for the Secure Boot warning and i wish there was a BIG BOLDED FONT WARNING everywhere mentioning it
Also i should note that there are NO INSTRUCTIONS on what to do in the Bazzite MOK screen if there is already a key enrolled.
I pull my windows drive, install and use a separate usb flash drive for the boot and efi, then when I put the windows drive back in I can always boot from that usb to my linux distro regardless of windows updates overwriting the efi since it ignores the flash drive.
@whiskeyechomegaI put the entire Linux on an external SSD (1000MB/s transfer is more than adequate). As a bonus point I can run it in variety of machines 👀 I did run into a problem though - I'm having CachyOS on an external hard drive that I've installed originally on Intel N97 miniPC and it works well with variety of AMD desktops, laptops and miniPC setups (5650U, 7840U, 7940HS, 7700X, 7950X3D, 9600) EXCEPT it catastrophically fails while loading system components (the screen with green OKs just completely fails) on my GMKtec M7 (6850H) miniPC - I have absolutely no idea why this is happening 😂
@Micromation My dual boot is running on the sata slot in my laptop, I keep windows on the nvme. After a couple rounds I found that windows likes to work with uefi/efi on an nvme if it's set to default. Having my linux install on a separate sata drive with a empty or under utilized efi partition and set my /boot partition to an sd card or usb avoids windows overwriting my linux on dual boot setups. So far so good Windows 11 has not overwritten my /boot or /efi in a way that prevents booting. Beware the microsd method if you click the write protect your linux updates to grub may fail until you unmount and make sure you have write access, then try again.
@Micromation This separating the /boot and /efi on a "virgin" system with one drive as a DMZ so to speak. Windows ignores external drives when it processes efi updates. On internal sata or nvme windows wants domain.
Im not sure what the warning was about.
I have multiple times disabled secure boot and even wiped the keys from the motherboard to self sign my linux installations. Not once has anything on windows not worked.
Not to mention that disabling secure boot doesent affect windows at all. It isnt a requirement to have it on to use windows.
If you delete the keys from bios it obviously wont boot until you recreate them with sbctl or similar from linux.
Also that isnt ”bazzite MOK” thats standard linux thing. He could have also just used sbctl to sign the keys.
Bro was spamming F5 with OBS on speed dial
I've been gaming on Linux Mint for over two years at this point. I can't even recall the last time I logged into Windows. The only reason I ever logged into Windows is to update my motorcycle headsets, GPS, and radar detector. My headsets will only update via the phone at this point, to capture more data from you I'm sure. I don't use the detector much or at all any more. The GPS...I can update that via VM windows in Linux at this point.
I set my wife to Mint a couple of years back. She didn't know for weeks. LOL She figured it out one day because something wasn't where she was used to seeing it. She does video editing and I just had the kids teach her a new editor telling her the old one was no longer supported. Even my garage computer is linux at this point. I have to support Windows at work and that's a friggin' nightmare. All caused by Windows itself.
I have been loving Linux Mint for many years!
Right now the most use my windows SSD sees is the odd tweak I want to make to the case fan controller (which can be done with a usb handover to the VM, no dual boot needed).
Yeah it was a big difference on the wan show - Linus was talking in terms of whether its possible to get his system working correctly, and Luke was talking in terms of “I like this ui experience a little more”
which wan show
@susan-5723a week ago I think
@Lexus_Yacht_Club
The one from yesterday also had Linux experience talk.
The Bazzite guy actually had an NVMe drive from work with Fedora still installed on it.
That Linus Torvalds personally installed actually. And he overwrote it.
@fanman420 He could have put it into a frame. But they I think from what I've read, SSD lose data if they are not connected to electricity over longer periods of time.
Since data is stored electrically instead of magnetically like on HDDs.
@fanman420 /r/JustGeekThings
@fanman420 Elijah was the one who installed Fedora ahead of time onto that ssd. there was nothing special about it other than it being in the same video with Linus Torvalds
he says this explicitly in the video and doesn’t blame Bazzite for his own mistake.
Every couple of years, I wonder how Linux is progressing to replace Windows, and then a video like this pops up and answers my question. I'll check again in a couple more years.
Yeah, it's still only mostly better. Give it time to improve, and for Windows to enshittify more.
So glad Luke was the one that chose CachyOS
I tried Cachy 3 times now and the install never worked or finished correctly. Two different laptops and a VM install. Cashy is trashy or for the once with modern hardware.
@spiderron1463 I initially had a problem with the install, but it worked the second time I tried. I'm running a 9850X3D and 5080 so you can't really get more modern than that
@spiderron1463 Two laptops 1, 8 yrs old, Intel/Nvidia, dual boot w/Win10, .. 1, 2yrs old, AMD/Integrated graphics ... CachyOS on both, very easy installs.
@spiderron1463 blaming on modern hardware and not user error?
@spiderron1463 If it failed three times for you maybe you have a PEBKAC error.
While I don't watch LTT anymore, I do appreciate the conversations he starts. People will make video responses like it's the early days of RUclips, and I always learn more from the responses than the original video.
Hell, for this video, when Chris mentioned "pavu controlx", I immediately searched it up before I realised he was talking about "Pulse Audio Volume Controller" which I already had installed but never messed with. Going to the Configuration tab and turning off the random audio devices is a QoL tweak that I would probably never come across otherwise.
And yes, Luke is a chad.
danganronpa🥺
Ooooohhhh that's what it is! I tried searching for it and kept getting PulseAudio and thought it was just brave search not showing me the correct results.
I stopped for a while too, but the latest videos are actually pretty good.
Linus just comes off as some disingenuous rich RUclipsr and I honestly don't trust his advice. I feel like there was a point where he embraced the sell out and has been a bit of a shill for a while now.
@nickgarcia1292 In my view, I see him as a hardware guy, so I understand how he doesn't know anything about software
Aah yes the never ending linux debate "did they choose the right distro"
Luke is such a real one man, just seems like a genuinely cool person
I'm a CS engineer, yet I use Bazzite for the set it and forget it experience.
if you're using integrated IDEs like Jetbrains products and/or VSCode with SDKs, it's gonna be nightmare cuz most of them break the "containerised" mentality of the entire ublue lineup.
@cmaxz817Sorry but you're just wrong here. You set up a container with your preferred Linux distro, using distrobox. Inside distrobox you install for example VS Code, as you would on a regular non immutable distro. Any SDK is also installed inside this distrobox container, thus granting full access while maintaining the containerized environment. Any CLI tool you need is installed using Homebrew. All the rest is installed as regular flatpaks. Now you have a fully functioning environment without breaking any containerization. Using distrobox-export you then export the IDE to your host's application menu, making it feel perfectly integrated.
@cmaxz817 I use IntelIJ IDEA. Those are guidelines, not rules.
@Xeptit I mean, even if you break these guidelines, who cares? It is your system. I don't really like to use distroboxes.
@Xeptit some stuff gets a bit weird. like Android Studio adb debugging.
Funny story about HDCP, I worked in an IT job about 10 years ago where we were trying to figure out why a machine wouldn’t display to a TV and I told my boss that the DHCP protection was probably stopping it from displaying and we may need a different HDMI cable. He gave me a funny look and for the next 30 minutes I argued vehemently that DHCP was the problem and we needed a new cable. Finally we dropped it and moved on. I don’t even remember if we fixed the issue.
Anyway, a few years later I’d moved on to a new job and was reading a post somewhere that mentioned HDCP and it just clicked for me. I understood why he thought I’d lost my mind those years earlier. I called him up and said “remember when I kept telling you that cable was stopping the video from displaying due to DHCP? Yeah? Well it was HDCP, so I was right! Kind of.” We laughed about it and I don’t think I’ll ever forget the HDCP acronym again. lol
32:20 Regarding the power button in Cosmic, I think Linus's point is, why is the Settings accessed by clicking the power icon? You see the power symbol, and you think that's where you go for power options like shutdown, restart, etc. It is nitpicky, but makes sense.
Yeah, I think that's actually a valid complaint. If it does more than just power-related things, it should be a different icon.
3:00 Windows convert here. Been a fan of Linux since I heard of it and finally switched last year. Been quite happy with Mint. Gaming, programming, general use. My only frustrations were issues with setting up my drives (complicated by dual-booting Windows) initially and mild annoyances with application support (Snap, Flatpak, repositories sometimes not staying up-to-date) and sound devices (mainly showing tons of devices and "audio types", a little bit of input and output volume struggles sometimes). Otherwise, I'm a very happy camper.
How are you dual booting? Do you use separate drives for each OS?
@fishslab Nope, same drive. In hindsight, I'm kind of regretting that due to the filesystem being much smaller than I'd like, but my original idea was to have the OSs installed on a smaller drive and data on the other drives. I have been blissfully unaware that Windows might randomly wipe the Linux boot partition, but so far no issues there.
Dual booting with Windows on the same drive is pain. Windows always breaks GRUB...
I probably got lucky because I got tired of Windows locking up the drive every time it decided it was going to force me to update (half the times I booted into it) and ended up disabling that. Good to know though. I'll put more of a priority on moving the install. Thanks 👍
@G4mingBud Just disable Windows Fast Boot and a lot of (little) issues will go away.
For the little system partions, actually you can move the C:\Users (except the Administrator user) out of the C disk with sysprep, but doing the reverse can be... pretty painful.
I did this with the old desktop PC and started the same way with the new one, but when i tried to come back to 2 separate SSD (at some point i bought a new one only for Linux) Windows broke in the worst possible way (leaving half of the Users directory in a disk and half in the other 🥶; and i was following their docs!).
I managed to fully restore it moving files around manually and doing an InPlace Upgrade after (how i did the latter is another long story, since every procedure I tried only gives me the option to fully wipe Windows) but, man, that was waaaay harder than Linux (which it required me only ten minutes to clone the partition, create a new /boot one, update the /etc/fstab and reinstall GRUB and migrate/reinstall the kernel).
basically the statement at the end: it doesn't matter which distro you choose if you choose one of the right ones
I have not seen your linuxbook before, it is just what Ive been looking for. Thanks dude.
Chris i liked very much this video, just to let you about your audio in here i think your mic gain was like 5% to high a bit. I have grado headphones here with a nice audio interface and i could heard a bit of distortion in your audio. It was epic to see how you reacted.
Noticed that as well! I already adjusted it down 5dB. I just didn't want to rerecord
@ChrisTitusTech cool. Thanks for the script it work nice and found the trustable ftp program inside.
17:07 In my experience, was able to turn it back on, go into windows, turn off encryption then disable secure boot again
I'm very happy with Zorin-18.
Same here, worked out of the box on two AMD Mini-PC's and a AMD HP Laptop including WLAN and BlueTooth. No drivers needed at all.
Same. Super easy install on my 6 year old Ryzen 5. I did have to tweak some things to get some games to work because I have nvidia card. LLMs helped with that.
I've been using Mint since 2011, I have zero problems gaming. Using both Lutris and Steam, Linux Mint Cinnamon games great.
Me too. Never had any issues with Mint and my Steam library. I'm not playing any games that requires anti-cheats. From the old SW: KOTOR to the newest Warhammer Space Marine 2, all works fine.
I wish Mint had their own version of KDE, officially supported :)
Every since I first tried Linux like 15 years ago now, and back then I went with Linux Mint Cinnamon, I always fall back to Mint due to ease of setup if a system is having issues and the issues appear to be Windows related, a Mint flash drive has always tended to easily allow me to access files that Windows getting borked up would lock me out of. Going forward however, I am heavily considering SteamOS or Bazzite. I am hating the way Windows is going the direction of bloat, but I really don't want to deal with hardware I have just not functioning on Linux. I use 8Bitdo controllers, 2 different Elgato Stream Decks, and a Razer mouse.
Let me guess you are playing older or less demanding games?
Because I can tell for a fact that no OS running a few years old versions of proton is performing well compared to newer versions on more demanding titles.
@mirzu42
You don't know what you are talking about. Proton updated automatically with Steam (or one can install various flavors manually, just like in any other distro). This has nothing to do with rolling/stable distro.
I have been o Mint since 2014 and have had no problems using it heavily (programming, ML, etc) and gaming.
@mirzu42 ark ascended and that game runs fine, it'll probably run better when i replace my nvidia card for amd.
proton 10 has not given me any issues. can we stop with spreading assumptions as fact? it's clear you dont like mint and that's fine, but we're not doing any favors for linux as a whole by slandering other distros.
Chris is so right, don’t just jump in full bore to Linux if you’re a newbie. I first started with an older laptop to get the feel for it (didn’t matter if I screwed things up) before I switched over fully
Stumbled onto Cachy a year ago. Still daily-ing that install and watching from it.
Mint, my usual, had the EFI borked by Win dual boot but I still never bothered to sort it out cuz Cachy (knock on wood) just kept rocking and rolling. Love it.
When linus choose Pop OS, I was like you Chris. Not distro bash, it's just not good timing to try as a new to newer user.
Poor Linus really does seek out Pop OS bugs like a heat seeking missile.
If he wasn't already obviously employed, they should pay him to be a QA engineer lmao
@rayjaymor8754Lol
I might bash Pop a little bit. They try to get the "new user" demographic while shipping beta software. They should have a separate install for beta cosmic or make it more obvious is there is.
Pop should be bashed for not having testing branch.
@punkrockllama More like "new user" who doesn't give a flip about gaming - that, actually, includes a lot of folks who are estranged from Windows after using it as a default tool for business applications for decades. This guy manages to deride older people ("boomers") on a regular basis, bragging that he uses ChatGPT to select Pop!OS instead of Google (the "boomer" thing to do ...). I'm old and have been using Linux ever since I retired 19 years ago as a Windows / Exchange server admin. I've been using Pop!OS and System76 laptops the last five years, along with the Arch based distro EndeavourOS. Never had a problem with these or other distros in my past, but I don't game. Sebastian might want to place less reliance upon LLM and go back to Google to search for his preferred Linux alternative. You'll note that his partner Luke seems to have no issues with his chosen distro Mint. BTW, System76 just pushed out an upgrade to their working version of Pop!OS Cosmic. I just upgraded my older version (Gnome based) just yesterday on my laptop. The upgrade took about 20 minutes, and so far I've had no issues. But of course, I don't game.
I’m a Niri user, it tiles without forcing you to divide the desktop. This has an advantage when gaming and you accidentally switch windows, it will scroll over instead of trying to squeeze it into one of the tiles.
If Linus reacts on this - it would be so meta
i wonder if linus is trying to keep people away from migrating towards linux instead. just think about what he's showing instead of what he should be doing.
@farhanrejwansome kind of Microsoft bribery, quite possible :)
dont attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence...
Another user commented, "he is linus tech tips, not linux tech tips"
Mehta?
his name is "linus tech tips", not "linux tech tips". xD.
But where are the tips?
@KtmzqwThe tip is "Don't pick Pop!_OS"
Linus(x)TechTips
Burn!
Its The Liar from Tech tips. He has been caught out on screen lying so many times that I don't believe any of the bullsh!t that he sprouts.
Pushing MOK key doesn't erase anything. It adds simply custom key that signs additional kernel modules.
When I saw your face in the LTT video i'm like I can't Wait for Chris's react..and Boom! lol
I'd love to see a major linux youtuber tackle an LFS build and come up with usable solutions to the challenges of managing / monitoring their installed packages :)
Bro people are already not recommend mint and popos bc they are old cheap copies. What makes you think anyone other than a few guys is interested in LFS
True. LFS Book is already so well done, he could make some good content with it.
I agree with Chris - Start with a version that has been around for years... Then if you get the itch - try a newer version. That way if things go south, you know that you can always revert back and do what you are used to doing.
As a long time Linux user though I don't pay games (anymore), watching them was just painful, yet inspiring because they are trying and using a huge platform to show Linux some love and exposure.
As a long time Linux user I play games all the time. Proton is awesome!
I don't see the difference between a gaming distro and non gaming. Some just take some extra steps to make it into a gaming setup. You have freedom to use whatever you want
Gaming distros don't actually add any performance either.
before i swapped from windows i watched multiple vids with the same hardware on different distros.
it's like a 5fps difference at most. i went with mint due to its stability and resilience and my experience has been happy and simple for the last 2 years.
people, incredibly including linux natives somehow think a "gaming distro" means more performance. it's gaming focused and more geared to help you get set up faster but thats it.
a rolling release distro may squeeze out some extra performance and have more up to date features, but im just someone who doesnt mind having a nice middle ground that slowly builds up.
noobs are looking for a good distro to help them get used to linux as a whole. mint is great, cachyos from what i've seen is also great. every distro is different and just has a little extra appealing spice for a different person.
@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 mint is a solid choice. I started using Ubuntu back in the mid 2000s, used it for 2 years, switched to mint for a little bit. Once I got arch working I moved over to that and never looked back, but I love to tinker. It's not for everyone.
Linux has changed a LOT since the 2000s though! Probs the biggest quality of life changes were around early 2010s when wifi drivers were included in the kernel. You used to have to find the windows ones and then patch them. Not long after that, gnome 3 released. Then Steam released and proton is now amazing! I feel like Linux distro development itself has slowed down since then and is more gradual rather than monumental leaps.
Ah, also, after using gnome 3 for like a decade, I switched over to KDE this year. Heaps better! I tried KDE in about 2012 but at the time gnome, cinnamon and xfce were much better.
They prioritize gaming and add the things you'd setup manually. With cachyos, it does detect your hardware during setup and works well out the box. It is more responsive than any other operating system I've tried. Doesn't seem like much of a difference in games though. I heard the improvements are more so in cpu demanding games.
@So2smellyeverything detects your hardware though. Possibly some kernel tweaks? But I'd be surprised, since the extra maintenance juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze.
I wish Chris would do more Linux videos again. I know he’s mostly known for his windows utility and he has to do what sells. But he’s the one who got me to mainly use Linux and it’s been great. I was someone who thought using a terminal was daunting. Now I make my own configs. All because of his Linux videos.
Love this channel! Thank you!
I still stick with Linux Mint. But the only difference is that I use Linux Mint Debian Edition.
For gaming Manjaro cinnamon is good.
Good choice dude. LMDE 6 helped me ease into Linux.
I tried mint a few times. Its great very stable and I would say boring "just works" and its the best choice unless you are running cutting edge(new) hardware since for those its preferable to run rolling distro for hardware support and fast bug fixes in kerner/software.
I tried alot of different distros at different timea - debian ubuntu, mint, suse, fedora, manjaro. But I always come back to arch. Wiki, docs, forums makes running system how I want a good expierience and recently I fully switched to daily driving arch with kde.
It would be awesome to have a personality test for Linux Distros
The moment he decided popOS i knew it'll gonna be a complete disaster :D
16:26 According to Linus, there was no indication on the website that Pop OS was in beta, or that Cosmic was in beta. He was under the impression that Cosmic was full release in version 1.0.
how would a new person know whats beta , alpha.
Yup. He is right to assume that as it was written "LTS" in the website which has tried and tested software, not some beta stuff
@susan-5723old downloads literally listed the choices as full release short term, full release long term, alpha, beta/nightly right?
@nuanced_critical_thinkerit should definitely not be in lts. That's a super hard hit for the trustability for popos. In general I'm a big proponent of slow rollout of stable releases. Most people and the average user does not need the latest features etc. Stability is so much more important. I really like Ubuntus approach and cadence in that regard. One stable lts release every 2 years. I think that's one of the major points of why it's so popular.
@nuanced_critical_thinker The fact they even slap LTS on these fringe distros is hilarious. The only distros worthy of using LTS labels for major releases, are the ones that ACTUALLY HAVE support staff, like Ubuntu and SUSE.
Garuda is an amazing Arch based distro. Everything worked from the get-go with zero configuring. Even exe files automatically call up WINE and launch seamlessly. I'm sure Bizzite and Cachy do as well, but I thought Garuda at least deserves a mention. It is defaulted to a mac like setup with left buttons and a dock, but that's easy stuff in KDE.
After 20 years with Linux I've learned there are 2 types - one for beginners and then everything else.
Imo cachy os is both.
I dont see a reason why a literal beginner who doesent even know what linux is couldnt use it.
Installing it is straightforward and by default cachy hello boots at start telling you literally everything you would need to use the OS.
Not even Mint or ubuntu have that level of clarity for a complete beginner.
@mirzu42cachy is still arch based, so you will still run into arch troubles
The installer expects you to know what desktop you want, what filesystem you want, what bootloader you want.
If you're tech savvy and new to Linux it can work, but if you're someone who just wants to get off of windows it's a horrible choice for a new user.
@mirzu42maybe one reason would be that it's still arch and one of your hourly updates can break something. The average new user coming from windows also probably has no idea leaving updates off for extended periods of time can also break things.
I don't know how you've convinced yourself it's more helpful and beginner friendly than mint purely on the basis that they copied the manjaro install.
@So2smellyoh look another person stuck in 2018.
Arch doesent just randomly break unless you install a bunch of pagkages the system needs from the AUR. A new user isnt even gonna need anything from the AUR and probably wont ever install anything from there.
And no, cachy is not even arch lmao. They have their own repos thats literally the point of cachy besides the kernel.
Maybe you should actually use Arch before trying to claim how it can ”just break something”.
Its also been a long time since updating irregularly has been an issue on Arch.
@mirzu42exactly. Arch updates like that will never break your system, and if on the rare occasion they might, DO NOT restart or you will have a broken system (that you will still be able to fix). For example, firmware split into separate packages a while back, and while this could potentially cause breakage, pacman should fail gracefully before installing anything. Ultimately, your system will still be recoverable. Unlike windows where if you turn your PC off or lose power during an update, you're completely screwed.
0:20 “Highlights and the key points”
35 minute video haha
As an outsider looking in, it was like watching 35 minutes of making fun of Linus who most likely represents a lot of people who doesn't know better but are interested in technology. He purposely tried out PopOs again since he already had a terrible time with it years ago and it's still wasn't a smooth experience years later. Criticize Windows and Mac all you want, but all Linus wanted to do was to see if his experience with Linux would be any different.
@riopato2009 the issue is he admits he's going to bad sources of information. I know some people do this, but I don't know a damn single person who would be looking for Linux and go to a Chatgpt instance versus reddit or google past a listicle. He's representing kind of the wrong demographic. If you know how to install an OS, even windows, you can/are doing better research than that
35 yet feels like 5
@riopato2009 While that idea about "doing it as a general user" sounds cool enough, Linus sabotaging himself no matter how his choice of distro was criticized last time is proof he is fishing for drama and not really a honest effort.
@lesath7883the honest effort is the issues a new user will go through and to see how difficult or not to resolve it.
12:18 secure boot also prevents you from booting your live USB.
I really love Fedora and I find myself coming back to it. I know you have your personal gripes with Red hat but I just see Fedora doing the most innovation right now, and idk why Linus hasn’t tried it
I've disabled and enabled secure boot loads, and enrolled keys countless times, never made windows unbootable
What's ideal to have if you're dual booting is a three-drive setup.
-Windows
-Linux
-Shared storage
The filesystems don't get along with each other well so the separate drive is good for keeping data accessible from both OSs without them ever having to interact directly.
Interesting about your comment on secure boot. I've toggled it several times and never broke Windows or any install. I even have my CachyOS set up for secure boot specifically for when I boot into Windows to play something that requires it.
Yeah. While Secure Boot is definitely sensitive and can lock you out, it's never really a big deal you can disable it and troubleshoot stuff.
Also it serves a very real purpose in securing boot. There is plenty of examples of real world malwares that exploited the boot sequence. And these malwares are really nasty if they can live in your boot sequence before your OS has even started. Sure it's more of a problem for Windows but it can be a bit dangerous for Linux too. And it lets you have both Windows and Linux running alongside as long as you properly set it up.
same here, I'm thinking it might have to do with certain implementations, or maybe more modern standards, but I've never had a system completely brick itself because of a change to secure boot, undoing the change has always restored it back to how it was
@Tetsuo6995 Yup, I just don't use Microslop keys because they sign so much software there's guaranteed to be some malicious stuff in there. But if you're dual booting you need to have Microslop keys! Just make sure to backup your bitlocker recovery key
I heard that many installers will create and install your os signing keys for secure boot. So only the installer's shim would need to use the MS signed one.
I have a dual boot system (same drive even) and the only problem I have with secure boot is when my PC crashes in windows and it gets turned off, it can be annoying to turn back on in my bios. No problems getting into either operating system with it on or off, but the main reason I might want to use windows anymore it's too okay battlefield which needs it
Been driving fedora kde on my laptop got comfy REAL quick , tested out Omarchy, and Tonarchy, liked what I experienced but wanted to actually know what was running. So I decided on my main desktop to install cachyOS but minimal and install the packages myself. Just installed MangoWC after being in TTY for a while doing btrfs configurations.
Im going deeeep in to Linux 👷
I switched my living room couch gaming pc to Bazzite a couple years ago and love it. I agree with what Chris was saying in the beginning about how these extensive lists with pros and cons really aren't helpful new users and "if you have to ask, the answer is Bazzite" for a gaming setup for a new user. Likewise for an office/browsing setup, if you have to ask, the answer is Linux Mint.
I switched to Linux 8 month ago, and went with Manjaro. I have yet to use the Konsole. This is the only distro with which I never had a problem. Even when playing my games. All the apps I use are already in the Manjaro software apps. I have used 10 different distros the previous 4 years. All of them gave me some problems. So kde Manjaro is my favourite os.
I ram into problems with Manjro when they do their big updates, where it would just mess up the UI and break. It would only work if you uninstalled it and reinstalled it. Had to switch to Arch EndevourOS and haven't had that issue since. Just an FYI in case you run into the same issue.
Software and hardware support is virtually nonexistent on Linux, which is why most people don't move to Linux.
That's basically it.
The Linux users who are claiming I'm wrong are those who are using it because it works for them (basically programmers), but have absolutely no idea why it doesn't work for other people who it doesn't work for.
Hint: It doesn't work for them because it doesn't have support for the software or hardware they need to use. i.e. See if you can find Linux support for Cubase, WaveLab, SpectraLayers, Native Instruments, Nvidia, etc. Maybe there are similar software packages, but they don't work in the same way, and don't offer the same features.
Basically, Linux will never take off until it supports software and hardware that people use on a daily basis. Only then will it become the new norm, and I'll use it.
I was waiting for this one, and timing did not disappoint.
is it me or distrowatch became forgotten on search engine when ppl search for distros??
The problem is that even distro watch has pop_os in the top 5. So people look for a good Ubuntu like os focused on gaming, and pop shows up no matter what site you go to.
I'm medium tech savy and run windows daily for decades. Ran a bit of Ubuntu when it was the hot thing. I own a nas running Truenas.
I have never heard of distrowatch, was it ever actually thing? Didn't show up when i was searching the net for distros a couple weeks ago for kicks after the LTT video came out.
The plague of flavour of the week distros (I have socks older than Bazzite and Cachy!), the old-hat distros not having the newer compatibility built in, and the hype around distros that are essentially experiments is big pronblem practically prohibiting the masses from adopting Linux and having a good experience.
It's unfortunate. :(
Anyways, I'm off to check out distrowatch, thanks for the tip!
@awholelotofnumbers45 I think distrowatch is less popular now than it used to be, but it is/was a well-known site. I think it's a good resource for getting some basic info on distributions. I just searched duckduckgo for "which linux distro" and it was the 5th result, so still fairly prominent. I don't know how well they play the Google SEO game.
All my searches had POPOS in the top 3 to try, and I had the same kinda disaster result, they are seriously hurting your community.
It's because all of those lists are like, 3+ years old or are AI slop, unfortunately. PopOS was pretty okay at one point, but they are rushing their switch to their new Desktop Enviornment and they've made a complete mess of it, it seems. It's a really poor showing.
Stop believing random AI slop on the Internet
@felatras9503 Half of reddit reccomends pop/mint and the other half the rest of the distros
@felatras9503 then what is some rando supposed to believe. Smart asses on the internet constantly say "Google it". Pop!_OS it top 4 of AI overview, heck even the first Reddit post suggests Pop!_OS.
@felatras9503 Typical Linux-user arrogance. That's _not an option_ if you want Linux to go mainstream. Normal humans are going to use those lists whether you like it or not, so the Linux community has to either make them good, or provide a powerful, discoverable alternative.
Glad I found this channel.
my first distro was mint...ngl i loved it then went to fedora,loved it but...had some issues with wifi, tried everything to fix and since i had a exam coming i chose to go back to mint...gonna try catchy or fedora again
heldivers 2 on cachyos, worls just like a charm, coming from "brake everytime it updates garuda", i love cachyos more everyday
Same here. Also on CachyOS. I didn't even realize that HD2 issues was a thing.
@j.erlandsson Easy fix with switching to borderless window. Would of expected more brains from "tech" tubers.
Works as if it was native on Ubuntu too so I was a bit surprised at Chris' comments and at how mouse look didn't work for Linus but then he does truly seem cursed.
I understand that Linus video is more entertainment but you actually gave tech tips. Thank you, I learned something today!!!
12:44 This is super important. I did not realize this at the time; I was trying to install CachyOS alongside Windows on my laptop. I did remember to disable Bitlocker before I tried installing CachyOS (thank god), so the worst thing that happened was that Windows made me log in to my Microsoft account and reset my PIN and re-enroll my fingerprints when I booted back into Windows.
It's not that bad, I turned it off got blue screen, turned it back on, got rid of encryption on windows and then turned secure boot back off and everything was fine
@V0liathon Yeah, I agree. It's just most people don't understand how secure boot works. Disabling secure boot shouldn't wipe the firmware's keys in a majority of modern UEFI systems.
I ended up switching completely to CachyOS, btrfs, and Limine and couldn't be happier. I've used Mint and Zorin in the past, but Cachy is so much better.
Can you have Secure boot with CachyOS?
I've installed it and unsure if I can enable it back for games that requires it
@bootchoo96 Yes you can. They have a guide on how to do it in their documentation too.
I'm just imagining the Pop OS team rolling out their new beta, and then seeing Linus on the horizon....
I think that they are doing a very good job of providing a newbie's journey into Linux - for those of us without co-workers or friends who know everything about Linux. There are so many distros and most of the articles and videos are written and produced by "experts" and they don't really capture the pure sense of overload one experiences in trying to decide what distro would work for you. (BTW, I'm not a LTT fanboy, just saying I could relate to their video having recently jumped to Linux)
I use PoPOS 22 since I'm not comfortable with where 24 is at right now. I have no problems and I use Lutris to run games under wine. Sometimes the latest is not the best.
Yeah, 24 feels like a mislabelled beta more than anything.
2025-2030 is the year of the Linux Desktop
you know that next year will totally be the year of the Linux Desktop!
you know why i don't mention the date ;p
That's a long year
I'm playing HD2 for two years now on Endeavour, and Nobara without issues.
Exactly. For the last 5 years I've been on Pop_OS and EndeavourOS and I've had no issues aside from the GPU upgrade that led to the EndeavourOS install.
@mattb4625- So you've had no issues except the issue which lead to you reinstalling the OS from scratch?
Do you know how many people have never installed an OS? The vast, vast majority.
I love how the video is basically:
LTT Team: "I'm having this problem"
Chris: "Well you see this problem happens because of this and if you do this it'll PROBABLY fix it"
LTT Team: *does it* "Oh damn it works and I don't know why
Chris: "Yeah"
I'm using Bazzite KDE on a new machine-no dual boot. Setup took seven and a half minutes. The OS defaults to sending audio to the monitor. I updated the kernel on one machine, and the motherboard's 3.5mm LINE OUT started working. Another machine started working only after I switched to "USB speakers" (or something)-just updating the kernel didn't do it. It could have been because speakers weren't connected on one machine when Bazzite KDE was installed, but were connected for the other. I tried messing with the audio controller in the terminal, but could not figure it out. Now, my priority is getting my Zelotes Z-12 mouse to work properly-but it's not going to. I'm going to have to buy a new mouse. I'm going down that rabbit hole, looking for something that can be set up online, regardless of OS, and while I'm down there, I may as well look for a decent keyboard, too. It's a hassle, but anything is better than supporting Microslop.
It should work, mice are pretty standard, but unless someone has made linux compatible software to program it then you'll need windows to run the configuration software.
If you do buy a new mouse buy a decent well known brand, it's worth it. The hardware tends to last longer and it's more likely you'll have software to program it. "Cheap" Chinese mice will only last a year or two with heavy use, and the ergonomics can be rubbish.
Logitech tend to have optical mouse wheels (if it doesn't mention optical mouse wheel then it won't have one) which will work for decades (as opposed to 1-2 years for the potentiometers used in cheap mice), though it may need cleaning now and again. If you can get one with optical switches then they'll also last for decades (barring plastic fatigue), if not then you can replace the switches. I had an 8 button one that lasted 20 years (had to replace multiple switches of course), and it still works but I changed my mouse to a programmable one with more buttons (also Logitech, after trying a chinese one for a year or two). You can use piper to program them.
If you buy another brand then do your research first, at least if it's programmable.
"looking for something that can be set up online" - Sounds absolutely awful.
I just disabled secure boot before installing Nobara on a different ssd. Didn’t remove my windows drive before doing any of this. Everything seems to be working just fine 😅
Indeed, Titus is spreading misinformation here. Have no idea what he is talking about. DO NOT format or reformat your drives, YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING!
Disabling Secure Boot will lock Windows is if is encrypted, asking you for the Secure Boot key to unlock it.
@Azarilh ah that makes sense. I didn’t enable encryption
2021 was my personal _“year of the Linux desktop”_ in which I cobbled together some spare PC parts and installed PopOS. Within six months I had installed it on my Gaming PC. I now run Nobara as my main. Couldn’t be happier.
Shoutout to all of the devs who have worked on the various open source projects needed to get us where we are today!
😮
Good advice to dip your to at first. I'm having a blast exploring CachyOS while keeping Win11 with dual boot (which I need unfortunately for some stuff, e. g. heavily modded games). I also put Mint on my mum's laptop.
Which gsmes you mod?
Linux Mint for gaming WHen on nvidia LMDE7 when youre on AMD ..
I just absolutely love your channel man, makes me happy when you drop new content.
Keep it up!!
Every Linux guy has their own preferred distro(s). Congratulations on being one more added to the noise.
Technical note: there are no *servers* being contacted in Secure Boot, it works completely offline. Secure Boot is a security feature that makes it harder to run untrusted software by refusing to run software not signed by a key it trusts. Most computers will come with manufacturer's key and Microsoft's key to make Windows work. To make this work with Linux and make upgrades easier, Microsoft signs Linux distribution's *shim*, a small piece of software that then verifies the actual Linux kernel (and grub, if installed) against its own key. And as mentioned, you can also add your own keys, or completely take over and remove the original keys so that the computer will refuse to boot anything that you don't personally sign.
I also don't understand the warnings about not being to go back to previous installations. You can always just restore it to factory settings where you can boot Windows and any shim (unless your motherboard's firmware is broken). I don't see much of a reason to not use it. (But of course you can just disable it if you don't care about that. Then you can boot anything including anything you previously installed except maybe Windows because it refuses to boot without it.)
I use right click on windows to get to settings. It really is the most intuitive thing imo. Everything you need is in that menu or at least will get you to where you need. Terminal, system, disk and device managers, network....
LTT is right, Linux bros really are just gonna cry about anything Linux. A lot of people dislike Linus, but he is a user too and tried to come at this as a normal user if complaints are just as valid as anyone else.
100% agree to this I'm running fedora right now but thinking of going to back to windows 10 as I have hardware and software that just won't work right like obs not seeing one of my capture cards and the audio issues are insane sometimes!
no need to cry, it is 100% free. with windows you need to cry, it is pay
Linus is awesome.
@haden_j-robbins you do know he is not seeing your comment, right?
@Volcanodog12look into Windows LTSC. Really, it's the Windows that should be available to everyone.
I think Linus has the Pop! bug... i had it for a while before moving to arch, then fedora, then debian, now back to arch... Id also bet he didnt run any updates before getting right into gaming. Which i have personally noticed will mess things up as you install more current packages with things like steam(if its through apt and not flatpak idk). Ive broken a few installs doing this.
Yeah, no matter the OS, if you don't have a specific reason to not update, just update the thing after setup.
And yes all the "sandboxy" options (flatpak, appimage, snap) don't get updated with the systems package managers (apt, dnf, pacman, zypper etc)
Tho, especially in steams case, it's not recommended to use the flatpak version, as it can lead to problems. Nowadays almost all the distros have steam in their package manager, so there is almost no reason to nit get it from there.
Cosmic gets updated every 2 weeks, sometimes even every week! No wonder why there was problems.
Converting users from Windows to Linux will be difficult for quite a few folks especially if they don't want to be their household/family's internal IT support.
Enrolling new keys won't erase your windows encryption keys but it will ask for the recovery key. If you saved that, you'll be fine. If you restore the factory keys, you'll also be fine. Also I think he was using mokutil with the MS signed shim, which basically creates a separate slot for "machine owner keys", entirely separate from the PK/KEK/DB keys windows secure boot cares about.
they shouldve just used cachy
I think it's more interesting if none of the use the same distro.
I think cachy shills should instead stop shilling cachy as a perfect beginner friendly distro. It's arch. Things will probably break and require manual solving. I used the handheld version for a while. Updates broke my dock for a few days and the update that caused me to stop using it on a handheld was when they switched from handheld daemon to input plumber, in which I had to figure out myself when the controller messed up because handheld daemon wasn't automatically removed nor was there any announcement for this. And even once I "fixed" this, it was still broken because input plumber sucks.
Cachyos is being used in their challenge anyway. A better challenge would be finding a cachy shill who has been using cachy for more than 4 months.
@So2smelly you are literally talking about handhelds with borderline experimental components....
my cachy install (on a real pc with a gpu) is over a year old and the last reinstall wasnt bc it was broken i swapped ssd. ive been running arch based stuff for like 7 years and linux in general since 2012, cachy right now is the best beginners choice. getting gaming going is simple/smooth, you can find patches/fixes in the AUR for closed source hardware really easy, calamares makes the install simple.
just because you decided to make the poor decision of buying a pc handheld doesnt mean cachy sucks, you just dont understand how to buy electronics. unless the handheld is made by nintendo it just isnt worth buying
@jdanks they have a handheld edition, and specific devices they support. The average setup is going to differ much more than pre built devices they specifically support and list as an option for download. It's also unrelated to the actual point, but I guess you struglle with examples.
"Arch is beginner friendly because I've been using it for 7 years, by the time I was 7 years into linux" I can't even argue with you. Your logic is flawless.
The steam deck is massive. Others such as the rog ally and legion go exist because there's a market. These devices are supported on linux and even by valve outright.
@So2smelly youre not much of a reader huh
for the secure boot issues, thats just a windows with bitlocker thing right? because i have disabled/reenabled it a few times on linux, and windows pcs (i think i installed without secureboot enabled though) without issue. I also have never used tpm2 to decrypt a boot drive or whatever, if thats another avenue for secureboot issues
harasunicornthey are connected, and it’s explained in the video. The bitlocker encyption keys keys can get wiped if you disable secure boot, which means Windows will not be able to unlock the drive without the recovery key manually entered.
Secure boot on Windows means (in simple terms) that Microsoft puts out a list in Secure boot on what software is ok to boot. If its not signed in the list, (like your homemade one) it will not boot. Same thing happens in Ubuntu, it will update the secure boot "list". For me it feels a bit further to the "you do not own your computer" soon.
@Xariann He's talking about the issues, not secure boot as a whole. Windows bitlocker keys are stored in the TPM and configured to be dependent on secure boot state. If you change secure boot state, by enabling/disabling it or changing the platform keys, bitlocker can't recover it's encryption key.
Which reminds me, BACK UP YOUR BITLOCKER RECOVERY KEY!!!
@spicybaguette7706 just don't use the friggin bitlocker
Linus does hit on the biggest hurdle to Linux, not choice, not so many distros, but the sheer toxicity of the user base. Not even game, or political forums even come close in un rivaled toxic behavior.
I feel this is a fabrication, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux are forums i am widely familiar with are all very friendly.
Are there toxic people, sure yes, more than other places, i dont know, there are more enthusiasts, which often are more intereseted in helping.
Super interesting take on the ltt video. Congrats!
I'm newer to watching Linux content and never do I see people recommend Pop, how does Linus keep getting it has his top recommended lol
I kept getting Pop and Mint as top suggestions when I was picking one a few months ago.
@mysticalmaid Where? Because everybody actively speaking has said its in Alpha or Beta. You aren't just reading listicles right?
It was recommended like 5 years ago. Presumably the LLM's are detecting the old listicles without consideration for when they were written
@6:00 The term you are looking for is 'Technodyslexic'
That would be a sweet new band name.
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As someone considering switching to Linux, this video was full of golden nuggets. Will be checking out more of your stuff. 🔥🔥🔥
Excuse my ignorance but why no Ubuntu or Mint? I want to know if something major happens to the OS that a fix will get released quickly. With a large user base that is more likely to happen than a small distro.
There are no justificable reason to avoid Ubuntu.
My personal opinion is that Ubuntu doesn't use LTS kernels but kernel version supported but the Ubuntu team.
Apart from that... Ubuntu is a very good option.
Maybe they simply avoid the "easiest way" of using boring and tested Linux distros, just for sparking reactions like these.
I think the reason they didn't choose, for example, Mint is quite simple and lies in the term "gaming distro." Linus thinks a gaming distro will make all games run incredibly smoothly, when the difference is actually only 1-2% in performance. Considering the high-end hardware he has, he should definitely prioritize stability over the lame "gaming" tag.
Ubuntu is not the same as years ago. As they went snap first, they are problematic, so new users may have a really bad experience. Mint on the other hand is solid for newbies, but for a gaming it's meh. It will work most of the time but the base software is just too old. Faster moving distros (Arch, Fedora) are way better for gaming experience.
@XKorvus That is what I was thinking too. Specialized/focused distributions definitely have their place; however, a lot of new/inexperienced Linux users fall into the same trap of wanting to find the "best distribution for X" instead of actually learning the fundamentals of a new operating system that are (more or less) transferable from distro to distro. They're putting the cart before the horse.
Your description of Secure Boot is at best incomplete, bordering on misinformation. Disabling Secure Boot does not itself render any OS in need of a reformat. Windows will prompt for a recovery key if BitLocker is enabled and configured to store the decryption key in the TPM (the default). Only in perhaps the most strict of configurations or in the case of an improperly backed-up recovery key would it render the OS unrecoverable. This also happens on Linux if you store the decryption key in the same way, and this includes TPM LUKS unlock in Bazzite. If the user has backed up their recovery key properly, as is very strongly encouraged in the BitLocker enablement flow in Windows, which is also not necessary when using device encryption as it stores the key in your Microsoft account by default, then they’re at little if any risk in a TPM reset or change situation. I feel a correction on this is important to make for anyone who might preemptively abandon their OS and data after a misconfiguration based on your description of how it works.
Exactly this. I have no idea what he is talking about. At no point does it format your drive or require reformatting. Your files will be fine, and there should be no issue. IF there is an issue and you cannot boot, you must get a USB drive with some distro and you will be able to fix your system from there. What he said is at best, misinformation, bordering on ignorant maliciousness.
Yeah, I immediately felt like he doesn't really know what he's talking about when he got to the Secure Boot part. That really feels like it's coming from someone who turned off Secure Boot many years ago because "Microsoft bad" and never bothered to learn about it since then. I guess he got all that "quality info" from Low Level.
Linus should ask you to be on his show or yours, then you could walk him through his choices. that would be very cool.
Am I the only one who finds it weird that none of them checked out any RUclips videos? As a relatively new Linux user, I went to RUclips right away for recommendations and listened to a handful of Linuxtubers talk about and rank OSes from within the past 3 months of when I was looking. I found ventoy to test out multiple distributions, listened to the arguments for and against various distributions, and got a feel for what was hardcore Linux opinion vs casual slop and was able to identify what was what.
I also find this all really funny cause I installed Cosmic on my CachyOS build and have had almost no problems aside from the top taskbar tray just not having full functionality with everything, but that's more of a minor annoyance just cause I can't click the button for Cachy Update. Otherwise, I've been able to game on it, it was my first time testing a tiling manager and not a floating one and that's been cool, I've actually really been enjoying it. Cosmic, despite being in pretty early beta, works modestly well on Cachy, in my current experience, which is hilarious
CachyOS or Bazite for WMR headset compatibility?
Windows
Get an Index or wait for the Frame if you want to use VR on Linux.
@FranklinSantana-ye6wl WMR is supposed to have better support on linux than we ever had on windows and someone even added hand tracking
@McGregor43 I already have better screen than the index so no thx and for the Frame, I'm not sure, I think I will try AR smart glasses instead but back to my question WMR is supposed to be working well on Linux but what distro should I try first?